EZStreet theft, deception and TheRx whitewashing Video (banned at TheRx)

[ufcmma36]

If I was able to go I would really try an win to donate the proceeds to the deserving player...(Cory)

[Fishhead]

I agreee! maybe SBR could win and give 10K to Cory? Its pretty screwed... But if they send you an email saying you have been chosen you wont go to CR?

If you are asking me, hell no.

[Housemoney]

The RX is probably happy from the bump in traffic from this fiasco. It's the first time I've been over there in a while.

[pokernut9999]

Does that matter? Those cash deposits could be entirely made up of stolen funds (see addition to my above post)?

I agree 100% with you

[KGambler]

I wouldn't trust that calculator. Using your probability of .00002476 you should get the following results:

0 royals .594541
1 royal .309145
2 royals .08037
>=3 royals .015945

You can check for accuracy of there being 0 simply be solving (1-0.00002476)^21000.

You are right. The calculator I linked does not work for a large number of trials. It worked for the 8,800 trials, but the 21,000 trials broke it. I just did it "by hand" (using excel) and all of your numbers are correct.

So 1 in 62.7...

[playersonly69]

I would of course participate in the contest if I were allowed.


I still think that Cory cheated the book and doesnt deserve to be paid. He might deserve $5000k but that is it. It seems obvious to me that he was using a bot

[acarmelo1]

I would of course participate in the contest if I were allowed.


I still think that Cory cheated the book and doesnt deserve to be paid. He might deserve $5000k but that is it. It seems obvious to me that he was using a bot

havent you read all the evidence?

[BuckeyeT]

I would of course participate in the contest if I were allowed.


I still think that Cory cheated the book and doesnt deserve to be paid. He might deserve $5000k but that is it. It seems obvious to me that he was using a bot

Then maybe the software provider should hire you because they said he DIDN'T use a bot.

I think we all are in agreement that this corey is no saint but his past has NOTHING to do with this case.

[AribaAriba]

"i thin it i think" is not enough for anyone to be convicted.

[justonetime]

Anyone else sick of hearing about this? EZ won't pay. Just don't play there.

[mrmarket]

Anyone else sick of hearing about this? EZ won't pay. Just don't play there.

I agree. I went to the grocery store and they stole 20k out of my bank account when I paid for my quart of milk. Now I just don't shop there and everything is hunky dory!

[Fishhead]

I agree. I went to the grocery store and they stole 20k out of my bank account when I paid for my quart of milk. Now I just don't shop there and everything is hunky dory!

[sharpcat]

Then maybe the software provider should hire you because they said he DIDN'T use a bot.

I think we all are in agreement that this corey is no saint but his past has NOTHING to do with this case.

I will sit back patiently and wait to see if Justin7 corrects this one or if he only attacks those who are not 100% on his side for misrepresenting facts.

[Justin7]

I will sit back patiently and wait to see if Justin7 corrects this one or if he only attacks those who are not 100% on his side for misrepresenting facts.

DGS has not commented publicly on whether a bot was used.

[Fishhead]

WIZARD OF ODDS





Introduction


I first became aware of the dispute of cory1111 against Easy Street Sports (ESS) when somebody posted about it on my Wizard of Vegas site. SBR Forum has a lengthy forum thread about it, in which the complainant contributes.

Executive Summary of the Case


Here are the facts of the case, as I understand them. If any of this is incorrect, I welcome correction.

• Cory1111 won $46,000 playing video poker at ESS.
• ESS is not honoring said winnings because they believe the player's speed and accuracy of play is not humanly possible, suggesting the use of a bot, which is against casino rules, and that the player's three royal flushes suggest some kind of cheating.
• ESS offered to fly Cory to Costa Rica to take a lie detector test and to demonstrate his playing speed. The player offered to demonstrate his playing speed, but refused to take the lie detector test.
• It has been suggested that the player is a bonus abuser. However, I understand the player played about 400x his $250 deposit + $250 bonus. The requirement is 25x only.
• ESS hired a mystery outsider to arrive at a verdict. Out of respect for copyright, I won't reprint the decision of ESS's expert. However, it can be found at therxforum.com.

My Response to the Verdict


Here is a point by point response to the six bullet points in the report.

1. The report notes the player played 8,762 hands in 499 minutes. That is a rate of 1,053 hands per hour. I asked Bob Dancer, who is with little doubt the foremost video poker expert and player in the world, about this. Here is his response:
   1000 h.p.h. is attainable by a few players. Perfect play over eight hours is attainable by fewer players. Most experts make some mistakes. If you're looking at possible -- the answer is yes. If you're looking at likely, the answer is no. Could I do it? Perhaps 1 test in 5 -- while I'd make a mistake or two the other four times.
   The ESS expert says this rate of play is a "statistical impossibility." Unlikely, yes. A statistical impossibility, definitely not.
   Regarding the allegation that the player played perfectly, it is my understanding that the play history, at least the one available to the public, does not contain any information on the specific cards. If ESS is going to allege perfect play, I think they should release a hand history, including the cards, to prove it.
   Finally, I don't see why a totally legitimate casinos prohibit bots anyway, except in live poker. Surely any casino game has a house advantage, and thus profitable for the casino, so bots should be welcomed. If the reason is to foil bonus abusers, the bonus policy is flawed to begin with.
   
2. I don't have a comment on this, since it isn't being used as a reason to refuse payment.
3. The report claims the player did not pause after hitting a royal, which would seem a normal reaction. Nor did he seem to know any details of the royals he hit. There are a number of possible explanations for this.
   
   • Cory was playing so fast that he didn't notice he got a royal at the time it happened.
   • He is an experienced video poker player who has hit many royals before and doesn't get as excited as he once did.
   • Cory told me by Email that ESS questioned him about his last royal a week and a half after it happened. When they asked how he got it he didn't understand that they meant how many cards did you draw to the royal. Instead, he joked back "I was dealt it." Personally, I don't remember the details of royals I hit 10 days after the fact either.
4. The expert says it is "statistically impossible" to get three royal flushes in 8,762 hands. Let's assume the same 1 in 40,000 chance he assumes, which is a good approximation. The expected number of royals in 8,762 hands is 0.2191. Using the Poisson distribution, the probability of exactly three royals in 8,762 hands is e^-.2191 × 0.2191^3 / 3! = 0.001407, or 1 in 710. In my opinion all credibility of this witness is lost on this point. A 1 in 710 chance is not "statistically impossible." To at least partially hinge their case on this reason brings shame to ESS, in my opinion.
5. Here the expert is saying that 1.3 seconds of each average 3.4 seconds per hand was spent drawing the hand. I'd prefer to actually play the game myself or see a video before commenting on this.
6. So now the expert alleges that the player played to "overwhelm the RNG and provide favorable odds to the 'player.'" Come again? I didn't know that random number generators would get tired at a rate of play of one hand every 3.4 seconds, and start passing out royals in frustration. Sorry, I have been programming computers for 30 years and have never heard of such RNG fatigue.

Finally, I've never heard of an expert testimony where the so-called expert's name was not disclosed.
My Suggestion


Bob Dancer and I have been communicating about this dispute, as you can see from his quote above. As the leading expert and player on video poker, I suggested that Bob avail himself to personally conduct an assessment of the player's speed and skill level. He agreed.
What I suggest is that ESS arrange for Cory to come to Las Vegas to be tested. I think that ESS should pay for the expenses of the trip, and a fee to Dancer.
Cory has already accepted the challenge as long as the conditions are similar to those at ESS. I have asked ESS for comment about this page but have not received a reply.

Possible Blacklisting


I'm going to refrain from adding ESS to my blacklist for now, pending the response and/or outcome to this challenge. As it stands, I find this a "reasonable doubt" case, and I still have such doubt that the player was using a bot. The benefit of the doubt should always favor the player.
I also find ESS's handling of this dispute to be terrible, initially releasing misleading information about it on the forums to substantiate their decision to refuse to honor the player's winnings. There is more about that in the Justin7 link below.

[empty cookie jar]

great! hire some dang ole touts!

[empty cookie jar]

click on bob dnacer's link and he will show you how to win mad mad mad moneyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!

[AribaAriba]

not only about ez here but goes to show you how RX is a corupt site that are full of shills.

[daimoshokage]

SBR > RX

[sharpcat]

Better buy yourself a copy of Bob's book before going to Vegas Cory1111

[Eleven]

WIZARD OF ODDS





Introduction


I first became aware of the dispute of cory1111 against Easy Street Sports (ESS) when somebody posted about it on my Wizard of Vegas site. SBR Forum has a lengthy forum thread about it, in which the complainant contributes.

Executive Summary of the Case


Here are the facts of the case, as I understand them. If any of this is incorrect, I welcome correction.

• Cory1111 won $46,000 playing video poker at ESS.
• ESS is not honoring said winnings because they believe the player's speed and accuracy of play is not humanly possible, suggesting the use of a bot, which is against casino rules, and that the player's three royal flushes suggest some kind of cheating.
• ESS offered to fly Cory to Costa Rica to take a lie detector test and to demonstrate his playing speed. The player offered to demonstrate his playing speed, but refused to take the lie detector test.
• It has been suggested that the player is a bonus abuser. However, I understand the player played about 400x his $250 deposit + $250 bonus. The requirement is 25x only.
• ESS hired a mystery outsider to arrive at a verdict. Out of respect for copyright, I won't reprint the decision of ESS's expert. However, it can be found at therxforum.com.

My Response to the Verdict


Here is a point by point response to the six bullet points in the report.

1. The report notes the player played 8,762 hands in 499 minutes. That is a rate of 1,053 hands per hour. I asked Bob Dancer, who is with little doubt the foremost video poker expert and player in the world, about this. Here is his response:
   1000 h.p.h. is attainable by a few players. Perfect play over eight hours is attainable by fewer players. Most experts make some mistakes. If you're looking at possible -- the answer is yes. If you're looking at likely, the answer is no. Could I do it? Perhaps 1 test in 5 -- while I'd make a mistake or two the other four times.
   The ESS expert says this rate of play is a "statistical impossibility." Unlikely, yes. A statistical impossibility, definitely not.
   Regarding the allegation that the player played perfectly, it is my understanding that the play history, at least the one available to the public, does not contain any information on the specific cards. If ESS is going to allege perfect play, I think they should release a hand history, including the cards, to prove it.
   Finally, I don't see why a totally legitimate casinos prohibit bots anyway, except in live poker. Surely any casino game has a house advantage, and thus profitable for the casino, so bots should be welcomed. If the reason is to foil bonus abusers, the bonus policy is flawed to begin with.
   
2. I don't have a comment on this, since it isn't being used as a reason to refuse payment.
3. The report claims the player did not pause after hitting a royal, which would seem a normal reaction. Nor did he seem to know any details of the royals he hit. There are a number of possible explanations for this.
   
   • Cory was playing so fast that he didn't notice he got a royal at the time it happened.
   • He is an experienced video poker player who has hit many royals before and doesn't get as excited as he once did.
   • Cory told me by Email that ESS questioned him about his last royal a week and a half after it happened. When they asked how he got it he didn't understand that they meant how many cards did you draw to the royal. Instead, he joked back "I was dealt it." Personally, I don't remember the details of royals I hit 10 days after the fact either.
4. The expert says it is "statistically impossible" to get three royal flushes in 8,762 hands. Let's assume the same 1 in 40,000 chance he assumes, which is a good approximation. The expected number of royals in 8,762 hands is 0.2191. Using the Poisson distribution, the probability of exactly three royals in 8,762 hands is e^-.2191 × 0.2191^3 / 3! = 0.001407, or 1 in 710. In my opinion all credibility of this witness is lost on this point. A 1 in 710 chance is not "statistically impossible." To at least partially hinge their case on this reason brings shame to ESS, in my opinion.
5. Here the expert is saying that 1.3 seconds of each average 3.4 seconds per hand was spent drawing the hand. I'd prefer to actually play the game myself or see a video before commenting on this.
6. So now the expert alleges that the player played to "overwhelm the RNG and provide favorable odds to the 'player.'" Come again? I didn't know that random number generators would get tired at a rate of play of one hand every 3.4 seconds, and start passing out royals in frustration. Sorry, I have been programming computers for 30 years and have never heard of such RNG fatigue.

Finally, I've never heard of an expert testimony where the so-called expert's name was not disclosed.
My Suggestion


Bob Dancer and I have been communicating about this dispute, as you can see from his quote above. As the leading expert and player on video poker, I suggested that Bob avail himself to personally conduct an assessment of the player's speed and skill level. He agreed.
What I suggest is that ESS arrange for Cory to come to Las Vegas to be tested. I think that ESS should pay for the expenses of the trip, and a fee to Dancer.
Cory has already accepted the challenge as long as the conditions are similar to those at ESS. I have asked ESS for comment about this page but have not received a reply.

Possible Blacklisting


I'm going to refrain from adding ESS to my blacklist for now, pending the response and/or outcome to this challenge. As it stands, I find this a "reasonable doubt" case, and I still have such doubt that the player was using a bot. The benefit of the doubt should always favor the player.
I also find ESS's handling of this dispute to be terrible, initially releasing misleading information about it on the forums to substantiate their decision to refuse to honor the player's winnings. There is more about that in the Justin7 link below.

A fair solution I think.

[AimingHigh]

I don't know about all of the hyperlinks in the C&P in Fishhead's post, but I have a lot of respect for the work that Wizard of Odds does in educating players on different games and strategies.

[daimoshokage]

http://www.bobdancer.com/

Bob Dancer

Is the best known video poker player and writer in the country today.
Has won more than $1 million during a six-month period.
Is the best known teacher of video poker having given classes at several casinos.

[mtneer1212]

Excellent analysis. Both sides should be ashamed here for their actions, past and present.

[empty cookie jar]

all we're missing is dang ole brandon lang! i'm sure bob dancer can put in a call to him

[pokerplayer22]

While I dont think its a terrible idea, there is a 0% chance that EZ and Powers will agree to this Vegas idea. Bottom line, they dont pay big winner and this Vegas idea enhances the possibility of the player winning the dispute.

[mikeanite]

i just know that SBR and RX are not friends what they should be doing is work together to make sportsbetting safer online

[empty cookie jar]

SBR the ones doing all the mud flienging

[daimoshokage]

Is that true? Is RX the World's Leading Sportsbetting Forum?

Thought it was SBR..

[Eleven]

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Is that true? Is RX the World's Leading Sportsbetting Forum?

Thought it was SBR..

Its probably covers.

[daimoshokage]

Its probably covers.

Someone should show the data on the number of visitors between SBR, RX and Covers.. RX should never put that in their banner if it's not true..

[stevenash]

Thought it was EOG

[KGambler]

Good stuff from the Wizard of Odds forum. It's nice to see that another un-biased expert has weighed in and destroyed the case set forward by Easystreetsports.com and their shills over at therx.

The only problem I have with his writeup is that he makes it sound like the player played 8 hours straight, which may have colored Bob Dancer's answer to his question.

Also, I understand that he is just answering the ridiculous conclusions of the report, point by point, but he should probably have put greater emphasis on the point that the information and statistics referenced in the report are themselves fraudulent in nature. Cory actually played 21,000 hands, he took breaks between sessions, he did take breaks after royals, etc.

He does mention that someone can go Justin7's thread to learn more about Easystreetsport.com 's attempt at fraud though. I just think most people who read that summary are not going to understand how thoroughly corrupt easystreetsports and therx are.

[shari91]

Someone should show the data on the number of visitors between SBR, RX and Covers.. RX should never put that in their banner if it's not true..

I myself am not going to go searching through every thread on the Cory debate, but if you search either SBR John's posts or maybe Extra Innings, you'll see a graph with the traffic stats for both SBR and the RX. Covers wasn't mentioned though.

[daimoshokage]

I myself am not going to go searching through every thread on the Cory debate, but if you search either SBR John's posts or maybe Extra Innings, you'll see a graph with the traffic stats for both SBR and the RX. Covers wasn't mentioned though.

Found it Shari.. looks like SBR is kicking RX's ass..



Looks like RX is NOT the World's Leading Sportsbetting Forum afterall