EasyStreet casino winner accused of using robot software

[sharpcat]

come on sharpcat, if they say he used a robot then don't you think they should prove it?

Does that not sound fair to you? Cory1111 plays a 5 hour session and if he demonstrates perfect strategy at 15 hands or better non stop he not only keeps ant winnings earned during that session but receives his $46K.

No lie detector just play perfect strategy non stop for 5 hours and you will have a free chance to win more money and get your $46K.

[WVU]

Does that not sound fair to you? Cory1111 plays a 5 hour session and if he demonstrates perfect strategy at 15 hands or better non stop he not only keeps ant winnings earned during that session but receives his $46K.

No lie detector just play perfect strategy non stop for 5 hours and you will have a free chance to win more money and get your $46K.

No it doesn't sound remotely fair at all. The guy offered to have his computer examined. That should be good enough. Just so you and others here know I can spend 10 minutes beforehand and have the cards fly out at a fast rate and just as easily have them crawl out only allowing 5 hands per minute.

[pokerplayer22]

So what happens if Cory goes down there...plays near perfect strategy for 5 hours (with the exception of a few misclicks)??? Then what does Sleazystreet do?? He plays 5,000 hands in front of them, misclicks 7 times...Do they hold that against them?

Its funny, you win 46k and 5dimes, betjam, legends, greek, etc and they send you a check or wire. You win 46k from Powers, he makes you fly halfway around the world to have a chance at getting the money. If you had hit a 10 team parlay with EZ, would they have made you fly down there to prove you can do it again??

[vitalyo]

Absolutely no point for them to pay you now their reputation is already tarnished and paying you is not going to gain that back.

pokerplayer22 might have a personal issues with easystreet , but that doesn't solve NO PAY case .

Pokerplayer22 probably fukked you out of 46K

I thought easystreet did ? Now i am confused

has successfully rallied the mob and buried easystreet and Powers.

Rightfully did .
Mob Why mob ?
Book took Cory for a ride!
Ahh i forgot that you are easystreet shill . I hope you get $25 freeplay from Alex

So called investigation lasted 24 days . Sleazy bright minds couldn't even figure out ON WHAT GROUNDS NOT TO PAY !!!
GL

[WVU]

The burden of proof is not on Cory, it is on EasyStreet Sports

[sharpcat]

No it doesn't sound remotely fair at all. The guy offered to have his computer examined. That should be good enough. Just so you and others here know I can spend 10 minutes beforehand and have the cards fly out at a fast rate and just as easily have them crawl out only allowing 5 hands per minute.

SBR uses the same DGS software in the SBR casino this could be done using SBR points.

[sharpcat]

So what happens if Cory goes down there...plays near perfect strategy for 5 hours (with the exception of a few misclicks)??? Then what does Sleazystreet do?? He plays 5,000 hands in front of them, misclicks 7 times...Do they hold that against them?

Its funny, you win 46k and 5dimes, betjam, legends, greek, etc and they send you a check or wire. You win 46k from Powers, he makes you fly halfway around the world to have a chance at getting the money. If you had hit a 10 team parlay with EZ, would they have made you fly down there to prove you can do it again??

The player reportedly played 18 hands per minute flawlessly he should not have a problem even with a few misclicks playing 15-16 hpm.

[pokerplayer22]

Also, just for shits ans giggles, I had my girlfriend time me while I played jacks or better on 5dimes site (same software). I played 109 hands in exactly 5 minutes (300 seconds). I know thats alot smaller timeframe but it can definately be done. By the book, I may have made a mistake but Im pretty sure i played close to prefect.

And yes Sharpcat, Im the one who screwed Cory out of his money. Blame me if it makes you feel better. All Im doing is making sure that future unaware players dont deposit with this crook Fckn sue me for that

[sharpcat]

The burden of proof is not on Cory, it is on EasyStreet Sports

actually the burden of proof is on Cory1111 as he is the one accused of using a bot.

Easystreet is not accused of any wrongdoing as of yet as they have not officially not no-paid him at this point.

[SBR Lou]

I would say this sounds pretty consistent with a programatic bonus whore, we already know that Northbet was added to that list 5 months ago.

Since you addressed Northbet, I can confirm from working the complaint personally that his entire $15,000+ balance was ultimately paid and his account closed.

1. Northbet accused him of opening his account with a false cash transaction. He claimed to have sent $450, there was a processor error with the transaction, and a copy of a receipt was sent by Cory which was allegedly truly for $50 but altered to appear like $450.

2. Cory's winnings were generated from Video Poker play. His account was disabled and investigated after hitting two Royal Flushes in an alleged 3 week time-frame. No data was provided to SBR on the amount of hands played or speed, because NorthBet admitted not having any evidence that his actual casino play was fraudulent.

[sharpcat]

Also, just for shits ans giggles, I had my girlfriend time me while I played jacks or better on 5dimes site (same software). I played 109 hands in exactly 5 minutes (300 seconds). I know thats alot smaller timeframe but it can definately be done. By the book, I may have made a mistake but Im pretty sure i played close to prefect.

And yes Sharpcat, Im the one who screwed Cory out of his money. Blame me if it makes you feel better. All Im doing is making sure that future unaware players dont deposit with this crook Fckn sue me for that

Admit it you want nothing more than for them not to pay Cory1111 as your agenda is to bury your nemesis Alex Powers and not to see justice served to Cory1111.

Not a single post you have made has shown compassion to Cory1111 they have all been shots at degrading Easystreet.

[patswin]

[quote=Lou;9339373]Since you addressed Northbet, I can confirm from working the complaint personally that his entire $15,000+ balance was ultimately paid and his account closed.

1. Northbet accused him of opening his account with a false cash transaction. He claimed to have sent $450, there was a processor error with the transaction, and a copy of a receipt was sent by Cory which was allegedly truly for $50 but altered to appear like $450.

wtf?

[Fishhead]

Does that not sound fair to you? Cory1111 plays a 5 hour session and if he demonstrates perfect strategy at 15 hands or better non stop he not only keeps ant winnings earned during that session but receives his $46K.

No lie detector just play perfect strategy non stop for 5 hours and you will have a free chance to win more money and get your $46K.

.....it wouldn't take 5 hours.

After 40 minutes one would know the truth.

[WVU]

actually the burden of proof is on Cory1111 as he is the one accused of using a bot.

Easystreet is not accused of any wrongdoing as of yet as they have not officially not no-paid him at this point.

Easystreet is accused of refusing to pay out a winner. That is wrong to me and to anyone else not paying their bills

[sharpcat]

.....it wouldn't take 5 hours.

After 40 minutes one would know the truth.

most of these guys using bots do not even know how to play perfect strategy let alone at 18 hpm.

If he can demonstrate that he is capable of doing it himself than I think whether he used a bot would not matter. He should pe paid.

[WVU]

most of these guys using bots do not even know how to play perfect strategy let alone at 18 hpm.

If he can demonstrate that he is capable of doing it himself than I think whether he used a bot would not matter. He should pe paid.

How do you know this?

[sharpcat]

Easystreet is accused of refusing to pay out a winner. That is wrong to me and to anyone else not paying their bills

It has not even been a month yet!!!

It is taking this long to get payouts from BetPhoenix with nothing to review currently and they are a B+ book.

There is a HUGE difference in refusing to pay and investigating to see if they are obligated to pay due to possible violation of house rules.

[sharpcat]

How do you know this?

Why does it matter?

[WVU]

Why does it matter?

because you are making blanket statements when you really have no clue. You are shitting on this guy's chances of getting paid because you felt like saying most bot users don't even know perfect startegy.

[sharpcat]

because you are making blanket statements when you really have no clue. You are shitting on this guy's chances of getting paid because you felt like saying most bot users don't even know perfect startegy.

And you have not made any blanket statements?

[heyman]

No forum player will use them once they read this thread.

This shouldn't apply to >99% of people on the forum.

The only reason they seem to have to not pay is the likely bot use. That is not enough !

and just so it's clear, even if you had been banned from 10 casinos and used software that was disallowed in their terms and conditions, that still doesn't mean you should be stiffed.

Companies shouldn't be allowed to enforce the rules their clients freely agreed to?

okay, let's accept that Cory did use a bot
there was no problem until he struck it lucky - and nor would there have been
but now it is cause for the casino to stiff him?
what about all the other players who've used bots and lost?
aren't they entitled to have their wagers voided also ?
free roll for the casino on your argument

Honestly I can't see much difference between this and rules against bonus abusers and syndicate play being selectively used...

Players who knowingly try to defraud books shouldn't be refunded if their fraud is unsuccessful. Players who knowingly try to defraud books and are successful shouldn't be rewarded for their successful fraud. I can't believe this is being discussed.

The only issue for me is whether Cory played with a bot and whether it was against the rules.

[WVU]

And you have not made any blanket statements?

my statemnets are based on ACTUAL EXPERIENCES. How much experience do you have with bots and video poker?

[pokerplayer22]

Since you addressed Northbet, I can confirm from working the complaint personally that his entire $15,000+ balance was ultimately paid and his account closed.

1. Northbet accused him of opening his account with a false cash transaction. He claimed to have sent $450, there was a processor error with the transaction, and a copy of a receipt was sent by Cory which was allegedly truly for $50 but altered to appear like $450.

2. Cory's winnings were generated from Video Poker play. His account was disabled and investigated after hitting two Royal Flushes in an alleged 3 week time-frame. No data was provided to SBR on the amount of hands played or speed, because NorthBet admitted not having any evidence that his actual casino play was fraudulent.

So Northbet (also a relatively new book) didnt have any conclusive proof and paid out 100%. Kudos to them. Thats that difference between EZ (Powers) and any honest book.

[pokerplayer22]

Admit it you want nothing more than for them not to pay Cory1111 as your agenda is to bury your nemesis Alex Powers and not to see justice served to Cory1111.

Not a single post you have made has shown compassion to Cory1111 they have all been shots at degrading Easystreet.

Actually I do sypathize with Cory and even though he may not be Mother Theresa, I 100% believe he deserves to get paid. Ive also said 10 different times that if EZ (Powers) does pay Cory in full, I'll be the first to take my hat off to them for acting like any normal book and i'll get off Powers case and you wont hear another word from me about this...And i still feel that way. But as long as Cory's money is in Powers' pocket, that is outright theft and I'll do my best to warn other players to stay away...Wow i guess I am just a jerk for that.

What Powers needs to realize is that there is a whole big sea of money to be made by running a book with honesty and integrity. He hasnt grasped that concept yet. He still thinks he needs to lie, cheat, and steal to make it in this business

[sharpcat]

my statemnets are based on ACTUAL EXPERIENCES. How much experience do you have with bots and video poker?

So obviously your statements are biased.

I am an "advantage gambler" not a "bonus whore" so I do not have experience playing with bots but I am fully aware of the advantages that a player gains by playing with a bot.

Your argument is that playing with a bot is not cheating, I disagree with this as use of a bot
1) does not allow the possibility of human error
2) allows they player to play perfect strategy at a much higher volume over time due to not ever having to take any pause in play. This ultimately artificially increases the players EV over many hours of play.

[pokerplayer22]

So obviously your statements are biased.

I am an "advantage gambler" not a "bonus whore" so I do not have experience playing with bots but I am fully aware of the advantages that a player gains by playing with a bot.

Your argument is that playing with a bot is not cheating, I disagree with this as use of a bot
1) does not allow the possibility of human error
2) allows they player to play perfect strategy at a much higher volume over time due to not ever having to take any pause in play. This ultimately artificially increases the players EV over many hours of play.

It doesnt increase the players advantage because the player still wouldnt have an advantage. All it would do is decrease the houses edge from say 3% to 1%. Over time, the house will still make a killing. Just like in any form of gambling, there are going to be short term winners that need to be paid.

[sharpcat]

Actually I do sypathize with Cory and even though he may not be Mother Theresa, I 100% believe he deserves to get paid. Ive also said 10 different times that if EZ (Powers) does pay Cory in full, I'll be the first to take my hat off to them for acting like any normal book and i'll get off Powers case and you wont hear another word from me about this...And i still feel that way. But as long as Cory's money is in Powers' pocket, that is outright theft and I'll do my best to warn other players to stay away...Wow i guess I am just a jerk for that.

What Powers needs to realize is that there is a whole big sea of money to be made by running a book with honesty and integrity. He hasnt grasped that concept yet. He still thinks he needs to lie, cheat, and steal to make it in this business

There is also an even larger sea of money to be lost to dishonest players and bonus whores.

Although I see with an open mind and agree with many aspects of your argument, you see with a one sided mind and are only open to the players view and have not one time looked at this dispute from the other side of the glass.

If the player violated the rules with bot play he violated the rules and Easy has a right to void his winnings.

If the player did not use a bot and won fair and square he should be paid.

If the player used a bot but can demonstrate that he himself is fully capable of reproducing the results produced by the bot I feel he should be paid.

But regardless easystreet has every right in the world to take time to investigate this matter before making a decision, especially considering the players history offshore.

[sharpcat]

It doesnt increase the players advantage because the player still wouldnt have an advantage. All it would do is decrease the houses edge from say 3% to 1%. Over time, the house will still make a killing. Just like in any form of gambling, there are going to be short term winners that need to be paid.

You don't profit much from gambling do you?

The players edge is gained by the bonus not by the bot beating the game. In order to meet the rollover deposit and cash the bonus the player would need to play 500 hands of VP at $25 a hand. Over the course of this 500 hands with perfect strategy the player would expect to lose roughly $62 dollars theoretically. Overall the player should capture around $185 of his bonus after meeting his rollover requirement.

The increase in value here has to do with a (time invested-money earned) scenario where the player no longer needs to invest anymore than a few minutes to set the bot up. I am not sure about you but my time is money if I can accomplish a job in less time and earn the same I have increased my value. In this case instead of sitting behind a computer for 6 hours the player sat behind the computer for 5 minutes and than went and did a few loads of laundry.

[pokerplayer22]

There is also an even larger sea of money to be lost to dishonest players and bonus whores.

Although I see with an open mind and agree with many aspects of your argument, you see with a one sided mind and are only open to the players view and have not one time looked at this dispute from the other side of the glass.

If the player violated the rules with bot play he violated the rules and Easy has a right to void his winnings.

If the player did not use a bot and won fair and square he should be paid.

If the player used a bot but can demonstrate that he himself is fully capable of reproducing the results produced by the bot I feel he should be paid.

But regardless easystreet has every right in the world to take time to investigate this matter before making a decision, especially considering the players history offshore.

Sharpcat..I will give you this...When i see a dispute (and there have been many) with an Alex Powers run book, my first instinct is to side with the player (because i know of Powers' history). I do, however, believe in this dispute that the burden of proof is on the book to prove 100% that the player cheated which they obviously havent done. Therefore the player needs to be paid. And Im sure that any GM at any other book would agree with that...as did Justin (a completely nuetral party).

I also posted a question a few days ago...Did Cory lose his first 7 or 8 deposits in the casino and did EZ not say anything because he lost?? It sounds to me like the last deposit he made is the one where he hit the royals on. If that is the case, and EZ soaked up those losing deposits with their mouths closed, then that seems pretty shady to me that they only now do they bring this issue up.

[PoweRay]

From Wilheim across the street:

For the record Doug hasn't a clue as to the real truth here to begin with. I will address this issue now to some degree and disclose some very pertinent information while still maintaining the player involved Cory1111's personal information protected, he will only be addressed player Cory1111. What I will tell you is the offer that was made to him yesterday that he refused and some pertinent information regarding his background and some of the claims he has made. Today is my day off as was yesterday so I am going to table this matter until tomorrow for any discussion when I am officially back at work. All I will say I spent most of yesterday trying to make it as easy as possible for Cory1111 to prove he never used "AI" (artificial intelligence) or any other means in violation of clearly posted EasyStreet rules. Briefly so you will have the facts that are true: his total deposits at EasyStreet were nowhere near $10,000 but less than $3,000 broken down into nearly a dozen small deposits of around $250 each over a six week period - all small Money Grams and ** deposits. I have a complete list of each deposit including one ** that was sent in a way that it was noncollectable by EasyStreet. In fact it was the largest one he sent for $461 that he received credit for and used those credits before EasyStreet management found out the transfer bounced back to Cory1111. Upon investigation we discovered he is connected directly to 34 different accounts all closed for fraudulent activity spread among 21 offshore books. There are possibly more but our investigation felt these were sufficient to show what type of player Cory1111 is. Many of you complain about the amount of documentation that books require now when you ask for withdrawals. Players like Cory1111 are part of why that is necessary. Despite all this EasyStreet with The Rx.com assistance made this offer to Cory1111 which he refused. He began the day asking if I was still going to assist him Offer made yesterday to Cory1111 that he refused to accept: Hello Cory, I am writing you now to assure you that you will be completely safe here in Costa Rica, especially if SBR is going to supply some security. I can 100% guarantee that EasyStreet has absolutely no ulterior motive to have you come down to Costa Rica except to give you the opportunity to prove you actually played the sessions in which you hit your Royals at the offices of DGS in front of them and any witnesses you bring. Naturally they do not expect you to hit any Royals as that would be unreasonable. All they are interested in is a demonstration of the speed and perfect strategy you demonstrated during your on-line play at EasyStreet when you hit the Royals. First you will need to take a polygraph conducted by an accredited professional polygraph purveyor. The polygraph will only address your play at EasyStreet during the session in which you hit your Royals, no questions about your past will be used against as far as this polygraph goes, EasyStreet simply wants to get at the truth and nothing else whatever it is. I am sure they actually hope you pass so they can in good conscience pay you. No one is out to incriminate you in anyway, I imagine some sort of legal agreement can be furnished to that effect. The only thing that matters is you demonstrating your claim that you can play DGS' 5 card draw video poker game with the speed and acumen displayed during the on-line sessions in which you hit your 3 Royals at the EasyStreet Casino. Should you pass the the polygraph then an appointment will be set up shortly after (maybe the next day) to proceed to the offices of DGS for the video poker demonstration. You will be asked to come relatively close to the approximately 18 hands of perfect strategy on a 5 card draw video poker game per minute for a little more than five hours. The game will be identical to the one you played on when you won the Royals. You can have representatives from SBR or elsewhere accompany you during the entire process. At no time will you be asked to be alone with anyone you feel uncomfortable with. During the polygraph I imagine spectators will be asked to watch from an adjoining room. Should you fail the polygraph there will be no need to take the DGS test. Should you pass both tests you will immediately be paid your entire balance and be allowed to either fly back to the US or remain in Costa Rica and actually visit EasyStreet and probably SBR should you care to. Regarding your expenses for the trip. The Rx.com has agreed to accept all funds necessary for your trip and guarantee you are paid them win or lose. I am talking air fare, highly rated hotel facilities and $100 a day while the testing takes place as per diem. These funds will be 100% guaranteed by TheRx.com should you choose to accept this offer.. I personally will post the results on The Rx.com at your request and EasyStreet guarantees payment of the $46,000 should you demonstrate to them that you can do what you claim to have done without the help of any AI or Artificial Intelligence software, including Bots that play in place of a live person in their presence. They will of course allow you ample time to get used to the machine at DGS you will be playing on..In fact everything possible will be done to guarantee these tests are as stress free as possible for you..I assume SBR is willing to offer you some security but if not EasyStreet will make sure you are picked up at the airport and driven to your hotel which will be a complete secret that only you will know the name of. They will also pick you up for all appointments and take you back after to a destination of your choice, unless you make your own arrangements for those services.. I have lived here since the early 90s and never once have had any problems with my personal safety. I am sure the staff at SBR will be able to tell you if there are any areas of San Jose to avoid if you go out on your own during your stay. I can't speak for them but have a sense that they will be willing to be part of this process and will report back on the treatment you are offered by EasyStreet which I guarantee will be courteous and accommodating at all times. Personally if it were me I would be down here promptly. I am 100% certain your identity and personal safety will be given the highest priority by everyone at EasyStreet.com. and of course by The Rx.com as far as what is posted about you on our forum. EasyStreet has given me their word on that and I will hold them to it.. I will also open a thread at The Rx..com exclusively for you and EasyStreet to post about events as they happen. We will not allow anyone else other than yourselves and if you wish a representative from SBR to post in the thread during the time you are taking the tests. Your real name or any dates, times, places will all be kept 100% confidential by The Rx.com and hopefully by SBR for as long as your are in country. Plus your real name will never appear on the Rx.com as that is a forum rule, you will be known only as Cory1111 at all times. The ball is now in your court, please advise either myself, or EasyStreet of your decision no later than %PM EDT on March 30th (next Wednesday) and arrangements can begin accordingly. Should you not respond by that date EasyStreet will assume you are not interested in their offer. Regards, Wilheim Cory1111 later in the day on Wednesday declined the offer even after I made further concessions regarding him now letting us know what hotel he would stay at (no problem) and completing everything in one day again no problem if he tells us the day. All of this of course became moot when Cory1111 declined the offer. I will be back on Friday and will probably post some more information if I think it is necessary. Contrary to popular belief Cory1111 is only on Post Review with a promise that none of his posts would altered but if inappropriate emailed back to him so he can edit them himself. Thanks, wilheim

[vitalyo]

.Did Cory lose his first 7 or 8 deposits in the casino and did EZ not say anything because he lost?? It sounds to me like the last deposit he made is the one where he hit the royals on. If that is the case, and EZ soaked up those losing deposits with their mouths closed, then that seems pretty shady to me that they only now do they bring this issue up.

Bingo

[pokerplayer22]

You don't profit much from gambling do you?

The players edge is gained by the bonus not by the bot beating the game. In order to meet the rollover deposit and cash the bonus the player would need to play 500 hands of VP at $25 a hand. Over the course of this 500 hands with perfect strategy the player would expect to lose roughly $62 dollars theoretically. Overall the player should capture around $185 of his bonus after meeting his rollover requirement.

The increase in value here has to do with a (time invested-money earned) scenario where the player no longer needs to invest anymore than a few minutes to set the bot up. I am not sure about you but my time is money if I can accomplish a job in less time and earn the same I have increased my value. In this case instead of sitting behind a computer for 6 hours the player sat behind the computer for 5 minutes and than went and did a few loads of laundry.

An answer to this question...Im definately an big overall loser with offshores. I play poker to support my sports betting habit. Most of the time I couldnt pick a winner if you gave me tomorrow mornings newspaper

[PoweRay]

34 accounts closed for fraud! Just reimburse him his deposits in the fraud accounts and pay him his winnings in his winning acounts. Sounds +EV to me. LOL

[jboy4]

They are going to lose a lot more than 46K in deposits just from this thread... They must be in financial trouble. What a bunch of cheats... Pay the man you sorry ass........

[Dark Horse]

now easystreet.com is asking me to fly to costa rica and take a lie detector test.

lol

Sounds like a plan. At the SBR office.