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What are the odds that RX rules for the player?
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No -46000Comment -
This statement is very misleading. The implication is that I did not ask anyone from EZstreetsports.com for this. You were not initially handling the dispute.
I asked for proof from Powers to support his reasons for not paying the player. I will quote Mr. Powers from March 17, 2011: "Thanks for the call today I will certainly keep you posted on all developments on this matter as well as send you all the hand history." I would note that I was never given the hand history, or any other proofs of EZstreetsports' defense.
Regardless, the proposal I suggested is still on the table. The ball is in EZ's court right now.Comment -
Man...I get emails from Easystreet and had no Idea they was this bad. I'm glad I did get a chance to read this.
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Nothing against Wil or the Rx.
When the dispute broke TheRx stated across several forums that they knew of information that indicated the player should not get paid. All I said was let someone neutral make a binding decision.
The book and the player could easily agree on someone.
Make a list;
Bill D
Peep
Pancho
Reagan
Halifax
Justin
The General
Covers Lou
SBR Lou
Mexican Stallion
Have both the book and the player pick four. If there is multiple common selections have them pick the one they prefer. SBR or theRx could administer a fair process. It would be quite easy to find a mutually agreeable mediator.
Next, the book should escrow the money at BetCris for final disposition.Comment -
It sounds to me like Justin is starting to see the "true" Alex Powers that we have all grown to know and love. What a damn crook!! They dont like SBR's ruling so they turn elsewhere. What is 10 different mediators all sided with the player...Then they go to an 11th. He sides with the book...EZ says case closed. What a damn shame. I just hope everyone is taking notes on EZ and Powers and sticks this in their memory bank.Comment -
Lol, Cory will not get paid now, for sure.
Cory say bye bye to your 46kComment -
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This is getting ridiculous !
Cory got a bonus and used a bot, but it can't be proved that he did, so he must be paid in FULL !
I don't see how he "Played" this 5-6 hour session off of such small deposits ( for the play level). Was this all at the $5 level ( $25 loaded). $500 would vanish fast at this level unless you start off great. I assume Cory lost, so he re-upped. I'd set the bot to play quarter not $5 machines with only a few hundred in the casino. You could easily play off the $500 at $5 a pop faster than you could smoke a cig/ drink a beer, etc.
RX being the judge is insane ! They ain't impartial, SBR has already ruled on it.
Now the bad publicity has already damaged this book much more than the 46K in question. They should of just paid ( and banned ) Cory unless they can prove he hacked the casino, the bot accusation ain't enough, but I'm close to 100% sure he used one.
This isn't like a BJ card counter using a hidden computer in his boots operated with his toes....in BJ terms it is more like a guy playing off of a Basic strategy card from the giftshop that he puts right next to his stack of checks.
It is actually very much like that....a close to even game with a small house edge. But the B&M casino doesn't give you a 50% ( or whatever) bonus and say roll it 10-20X and you can then cash it out. A WVU , Fishhead, Doug, etc. type would jump all over that.
I don't know who should be picked to mediate this, but it can't be
Wilheim, BAS or any RX person
Justin, or any SBR guy
nor Fishhead, me, WVU, Raiders, etc. I think Peep might have sided with the player already ( ?)
Maybe a respected poster like " Sherwood" ....but I doubt he'd want to do it, he's really low key but many know who he is ( doesn't post at SBR).
I KNOW ! LET BEANTOWNJIM DECIDE IT !Comment -
wow, what a dang ole interesting read, just spent a dang hour of my life
i don't recall corry EXPLICITLY deny using a bot......that's a dang ole hmmmmmmComment -
I think people also have to look at the credibility of the book and the books' management. If Scotty at betjam or any other well respected GM were to confiscate a players funds, Im sure there would be good cause, and they would have provided 100% conclusive proof... Although I am 100% certain betjam would have already paid the 46k and cloded Cory's acct. But its not Scotty and Betjam we're dealing with. Its a GM (Powers) that is known in this industry for being a shady crook who already single handedly brought down Jazz (a very good book at one time). How is EZ not already downgraded to a D- or F??? This whole thing is just a damn shame.Comment -
how much of the "burden of proof" should fall on the dang book? it seems widely accepted that the player violated a written policy -- it's a dang ole "you know and i know and you know i know" kind of thing. as someone stated, there's a reason for A+ and C+ ratings. i say if EZ can present reasonable proof, i would not blame them -- everything stacks up against the player, yet we're giving him a pass because.....
sure the A+ books might pay him and give him the boot.....which is why they are A+Comment -
He might as well deny it since admitting it weakens his case. Few can play that fast and long and accurately. After 15 minutes of computer work you should at least glance away for 1o seconds and look at something distant before going back. Nobody would not look at the Royal for a few seconds....it locks up in a casino, unless not loaded.
I've seen players hypnotized by the machines for hours at a time and play super fast ( when I was a LV bartender), but even then you pause for a second or two to sip your drink or chainsmoke another ciggy....maybe even go to bathroom ? Maybe after awhile you need to take an extra second to double check a hand.....was that a flush or 4 hearts and a diamond ?
A hand every three seconds for hours and hours without a single error is something like only Data from Star Trek could realistically do ( IMO). I don't think a human could do that for six straight hours ?
Cory used a bot, but what SLEAZYSTREET is doing is worse. They are done as a book because of this.Comment -
They are....it's just not official !
No forum player will use them once they read this thread.
The only reason they seem to have to not pay is the likely bot use. That is not enough !
They hurt themselves way too much here, shot themself in the foot , will be out of business this year.Comment -
just seems to me like a C rated book doesn't gain much at this point. after all this negativity, are they going to get upgraded to a B or better? how many rec players actually do their homework? we have a guy making thousands in deposits to a C rated book to begin with, so if i'm them, even if i have a 46k stiff on my review, it seems to me like they have a legit reason -- the player violated a policy, and IMO knowingly did so. i have never played there and have no plans to, but i'm having a hard time siding with the player.
i wonder how many books would take this guy's action right now with all this info up front?Comment -
well i think sbr john said it best on what should happen , theres plenty of people that both parties can choose from , and i mean nuetral parties . that book is so stupid because if they woulda did the right thing and paid up from the start or even after the first week they would have all the good publicity any book craves, now no matter if they stiff him or finally pay him their reputation is ruined forever because it took way to longComment -
okay, let's accept that Cory did use a bot
there was no problem until he struck it lucky - and nor would there have been
but now it is cause for the casino to stiff him?
what about all the other players who've used bots and lost?
aren't they entitled to have their wagers voided also ?
free roll for the casino on your argumentComment -
I think this pretty much sums up the discussion here... The book offered overly generous bonuses and they got hit by a someone winning in a high variance low vig game... Yea, the player may have broke a rule but 1) it was something that could have been done without a computer's assistance and 2) it gives the book at chance to freeroll their risk because we all know they didn't refund any losing player's money...
Honestly I can't see much difference between this and rules against bonus abusers and syndicate play being selectively used...Comment -
I was about to make the same post
I am pretty sure sleazy refund them all with the warning not to do it againwhat about all the other players who've used bots and lost
Players who used bots and lost got f@ck all . Sleazystreet freeroll them .
Cory (lets assume he used bot ) got lucky and the crooks stiffed him .
How stupid these guys are ? With Corys big win , they could of made a name for them self "Player wins 46K " and by now they would of make all their losses back .
Also they failed to understand that most of the gamblers are living a dream to win big .Hmmm NOT WITH US
You have to deposit to an "A" book . If i was TheGreek manager ,i would personally write a check to Alex Powers to have a dinner on us . I am not kidding .
Easystreet shills call them "amazing" "fantastic" "next pinnacle" (the last one way off) an insult . And the great bonuses they have !
In the last 12 months we had bet911 with great bonuses,parleymakers with great odds trying to book up to 50K on superball . Betphoenix gone downhill with great bonuses .
Think about it ! Book knows by refusing to pay Cory they will be downgraded .
C- is not a great rating to begin with . Book didn't even offer him a settlement .
We f@cked up you f@cked up , or the other way around .
So do not be surprise if they go south . Not now . With 50% cash bonus deposits are still coming .
Management obviously knows that they will not be around much longer 12 months tops , could be more then 12 months + slow pay . So they really do not give a shit about rating . Again remember all this new books that gone south started great with ONE THING in common ,great bonuses, odds and lightning fast payouts .
Not every one posts . But the majority of the gamblers got their first sign.
GL.Comment -
Since the Rx is supposedly reviewing everything is there a thread about it on their site? Will they allow me to open a thread there for discussion? I see a thread about EZstreet on the front page but it is a year old.Comment -
not sure if linking to other sites is allowed here, but here is the new thread I started across the street. I didn't want to add to the year old thread because it was diluted with garbage posts.Comment -
I would comment at Rx...but..
Cory, one last thing today - you are not banned at The Rx.com but your posts at least at first will go thru a moderator for approval but we will not alter them only ask you to edit something if it is inappropriate. If you accept the offer you will not be monitored at all. Let me know if you by any chance forgot your password or need any help logging into The Rx.com. Easystret made this request of us in order to allow you to post at The rx especially about the trip should you decide to take it..
Thank you, wilheim
Wilheim
Head Moderator
The Rx.com Posting ForumComment -
Prefectly said...however from talking to a few Gm's at other books, Im not sure anyone would buy Powers a donut, let alone a dinner. He has a pretty disgusting reputation thoughout the offshore industryI was about to make the same post
I am pretty sure sleazy refund them all with the warning not to do it again
Players who used bots and lost got f@ck all . Sleazystreet freeroll them .
Cory (lets assume he used bot ) got lucky and the crooks stiffed him .
How stupid these guys are ? With Corys big win , they could of made a name for them self "Player wins 46K " and by now they would of make all their losses back .
Also they failed to understand that most of the gamblers are living a dream to win big .Hmmm NOT WITH US You have to deposit to an "A" book . If i was TheGreek manager ,i would personally write a check to Alex Powers to have a dinner on us . I am not kidding .
Easystreet shills call them "amazing" "fantastic" "next pinnacle" (the last one way off) an insult . And the great bonuses they have !
In the last 12 months we had bet911 with great bonuses,parleymakers with great odds trying to book up to 50K on superball . Betphoenix gone downhill with great bonuses .
Think about it ! Book knows by refusing to pay Cory they will be downgraded .
C- is not a great rating to begin with . Book didn't even offer him a settlement .
We f@cked up you f@cked up , or the other way around .
So do not be surprise if they go south . Not now . With 50% cash bonus deposits are still coming .
Management obviously knows that they will not be around much longer 12 months tops , could be more then 12 months + slow pay . So they really do not give a shit about rating . Again remember all this new books that gone south started great with ONE THING in common ,great bonuses, odds and lightning fast payouts .
Not every one posts . But the majority of the gamblers got their first sign.
GL.Comment -
This is fair.
Pokerplayer22 should receive the same email since you 2 have done nothing but try to fuel an angry mob to back and support you.
Actually Pokerplayer22 probably fukked you out of 46K with his use of this situation as a way to strike his revenge on Alex Powers, he has pretty much accomplished what he set out to do 1,000 posts ago last week and has successfully rallied the mob and buried easystreet and Powers.
Absolutely no point for them to pay you now their reputation is already tarnished and paying you is not going to gain that back.Comment -
Wil's statement:
For the record Doug hasn't a clue as to the real truth here to begin with. I will address this issue now to some degree and disclose some very pertinent information while still maintaining the player involved Cory1111's personal information protected, he will only be addressed player Cory1111.
What I will tell you is the offer that was made to him yesterday that he refused and some pertinent information regarding his background and some of the claims he has made.
Today is my day off as was yesterday so I am going to table this matter until tomorrow for any discussion when I am officially back at work.
All I will say I spent most of yesterday trying to make it as easy as possible for Cory1111 to prove he never used "AI" (artificial intelligence) or any other means in violation of clearly posted EasyStreet rules.
Briefly so you will have the facts that are true: his total deposits at EasyStreet were nowhere near $10,000 but less than $3,000 broken down into nearly a dozen small deposits of around $250 each over a six week period - all small Money Grams and ** deposits. I have a complete list of each deposit including one ** that was sent in a way that it was noncollectable by EasyStreet. In fact it was the largest one he sent for $461 that he received credit for and used those credits before EasyStreet management found out the transfer bounced back to Cory1111.
Upon investigation we discovered he is connected directly to 34 different accounts all closed for fraudulent activity spread among 21 offshore books. There are possibly more but our investigation felt these were sufficient to show what type of player Cory1111 is. Many of you complain about the amount of documentation that books require now when you ask for withdrawals. Players like Cory1111 are part of why that is necessary.
Despite all this EasyStreet with The Rx.com assistance made this offer to Cory1111 which he refused. He began the day asking if I was still going to assist him
Offer made yesterday to Cory1111 that he refused to accept:
Hello Cory, I am writing you now to assure you that you will be completely safe here in Costa Rica, especially if SBR is going to supply some security. I can 100% guarantee that EasyStreet has absolutely no ulterior motive to have you come down to Costa Rica except to give you the opportunity to prove you actually played the sessions in which you hit your Royals at the offices of DGS in front of them and any witnesses you bring.
Naturally they do not expect you to hit any Royals as that would be unreasonable. All they are interested in is a demonstration of the speed and perfect strategy you demonstrated during your on-line play at EasyStreet when you hit the Royals.
First you will need to take a polygraph conducted by an accredited professional polygraph purveyor. The polygraph will only address your play at EasyStreet during the session in which you hit your Royals, no questions about your past will be used against as far as this polygraph goes, EasyStreet simply wants to get at the truth and nothing else whatever it is. I am sure they actually hope you pass so they can in good conscience pay you.
No one is out to incriminate you in anyway, I imagine some sort of legal agreement can be furnished to that effect. The only thing that matters is you demonstrating your claim that you can play DGS' 5 card draw video poker game with the speed and acumen displayed during the on-line sessions in which you hit your 3 Royals at the EasyStreet Casino.
Should you pass the the polygraph then an appointment will be set up shortly after (maybe the next day) to proceed to the offices of DGS for the video poker demonstration. You will be asked to come relatively close to the approximately 18 hands of perfect strategy on a 5 card draw video poker game per minute for a little more than five hours. The game will be identical to the one you played on when you won the Royals. You can have representatives from SBR or elsewhere accompany you during the entire process. At no time will you be asked to be alone with anyone you feel uncomfortable with. During the polygraph I imagine spectators will be asked to watch from an adjoining room. Should you fail the polygraph there will be no need to take the DGS test.
Should you pass both tests you will immediately be paid your entire balance and be allowed to either fly back to the US or remain in Costa Rica and actually visit EasyStreet and probably SBR should you care to.
Regarding your expenses for the trip. The Rx.com has agreed to accept all funds necessary for your trip and guarantee you are paid them win or lose. I am talking air fare, highly rated hotel facilities and $100 a day while the testing takes place as per diem. These funds will be 100% guaranteed by TheRx.com should you choose to accept this offer..
I personally will post the results on The Rx.com at your request and EasyStreet guarantees payment of the $46,000 should you demonstrate to them that you can do what you claim to have done without the help of any AI or Artificial Intelligence software, including Bots that play in place of a live person in their presence.
They will of course allow you ample time to get used to the machine at DGS you will be playing on..In fact everything possible will be done to guarantee these tests are as stress free as possible for you..I assume SBR is willing to offer you some security but if not EasyStreet will make sure you are picked up at the airport and driven to your hotel which will be a complete secret that only you will know the name of. They will also pick you up for all appointments and take you back after to a destination of your choice, unless you make your own arrangements for those services..
I have lived here since the early 90s and never once have had any problems with my personal safety. I am sure the staff at SBR will be able to tell you if there are any areas of San Jose to avoid if you go out on your own during your stay. I can't speak for them but have a sense that they will be willing to be part of this process and will report back on the treatment you are offered by EasyStreet which I guarantee will be courteous and accommodating at all times.
Personally if it were me I would be down here promptly. I am 100% certain your identity and personal safety will be given the highest priority by everyone at EasyStreet.com. and of course by The Rx.com as far as what is posted about you on our forum. EasyStreet has given me their word on that and I will hold them to it..
I will also open a thread at The Rx..com exclusively for you and EasyStreet to post about events as they happen. We will not allow anyone else other than yourselves and if you wish a representative from SBR to post in the thread during the time you are taking the tests. Your real name or any dates, times, places will all be kept 100% confidential by The Rx.com and hopefully by SBR for as long as your are in country. Plus your real name will never appear on the Rx.com as that is a forum rule, you will be known only as Cory1111 at all times.
The ball is now in your court, please advise either myself, or EasyStreet of your decision no later than %PM EDT on March 30th (next Wednesday) and arrangements can begin accordingly. Should you not respond by that date EasyStreet will assume you are not interested in their offer.
Regards, Wilheim
Cory1111 later in the day on Wednesday declined the offer even after I made further concessions regarding him now letting us know what hotel he would stay at (no problem) and completing everything in one day again no problem if he tells us the day. All of this of course became moot when Cory1111 declined the offer.
I will be back on Friday and will probably post some more information if I think it is necessary. Contrary to popular belief Cory1111 is only on Post Review with a promise that none of his posts would altered but if inappropriate emailed back to him so he can edit them himself.
Thanks, wilheimComment -
I would say this sounds pretty consistent with a programatic bonus whore, we already know that Northbet was added to that list 5 months ago. These types of players are the ones that cause us so much hassel and fees when trying to withdraw from books and why it is so hard to find a good bonus these days without a 30X rollover.Upon investigation we discovered he is connected directly to 34 different accounts all closed for fraudulent activity spread among 21 offshore books. There are possibly more but our investigation felt these were sufficient to show what type of player Cory1111 is. Many of you complain about the amount of documentation that books require now when you ask for withdrawals. Players like Cory1111 are part of why that is necessary.
SBR why don't you guys protect Cory1111 while he is in Costa Rica so he can demonstrate his robot like skills on the VP machine and put an end to all of this?
I would be willing to bet that the guy can not even play perfect strategy with a cheat sheet in his hand.
Easystreet allow Cory1111 to keep any winnings earned during this session to give him incentive to play, nobody in their right mind would refuse that unless they had something to hide.Comment -
No, the rules state "no artificial intelligence." Wilhelm and Marvin are obviously too stupid to understand the meaning of "artificial intelligence" and I'd be surprised if either one is able to tie their shoes without assistance, but a bot playing an extremely simplistic basic strategy by no means constitutes "artificial intelligence." A more apt comparison mentioned in one of the threads is that of a player playing blackjack with a basic strategy card purchased in a casino.
That post from Wilhelm can't be serious, can it?Comment
