EasyStreet casino winner accused of using robot software

[PoweRay]

I just dont want to take the book's word on anything. If they say they have found another book that claims he charged back then let them name the book so the guy can at least defend himself. Why wouldn't the book want to be named? maybe they don't exist. The only proof so far offered was Cory's multiple deposits over a couple month period. Those facts support Cory not being a charge back scammer. So far, Cory is winning this battle with the FACTS that have been posted.

But what about Wilheim's comment about the $461.

were nowhere near $10,000 but less than $3,000 broken down into nearly a dozen small deposits of around $250 each over a six week period - all small Money Grams and ** deposits. I have a complete list of each deposit including one ** that was sent in a way that it was noncollectable by EasyStreet. In fact it was the largest one he sent for $461 that he received credit for and used those credits before EasyStreet management found out the transfer bounced back to Cory1111.

[BigDaddy]

its not an -EV game when you get a 100% match bonus every time
Turns it into a very +EV game
If he was making the deposits without a bonus and using a bot then yes it would not matter because its a -EV game. but he was getting 100% match bonuses every time. Big difference

yes i know that.


its not his fault the book offers +ev bonuses and he takes advantage of them.

the book needs to get a clue before they start trying to give the farm away.

bot or no bot anyone could take advantage of that offer and have a great chance at beating them.

i wish i knew about the low rollover as i would have myself.

[WVU]

Wil has the same list that was posted here by Marvin. The $461 was irrelevant. It was basically just reversed by request of the player.

[pokerplayer22]

I don't know the answer,but how many other sites post their T&C like ES?It seems like they were covering their ass in case they got hit with a decent winner.

Their T&C's do seem like it gives them an out for having to pay any big winner. I compared their's to Betjam, 5dimes, greek, legends, and heritage (all very good and highly rated books). That should say alot right there.

[Dark Horse]

Originally Posted by Wilheim
Cory1111 hit two other Royals in even faster time (2 in 4,000 hands) in late November on an identical DGS machine as the one he used at EZ St. The book wants to remain nameless which is their right but for the record they are not an Rx Sponsor. They paid him $26,000 immediately after which Cory1111 promptly charged back his entire deposit. Needless to say they are not happy seeing this new information emerge.. I am working on posting the entire hand history but it may be tomorrow before that can happen.. Thanks, wilheim

Backdoor.

[pokerplayer22]

its not an -EV game when you get a 100% match bonus every time
Turns it into a very +EV game
If he was making the deposits without a bonus and using a bot then yes it would not matter because its a -EV game. but he was getting 100% match bonuses every time. Big difference

If they dont like the way he used the bonus, then you pay the player and close his acct...You dont just steal from the player. Alot of books give bonuses that give the player an edge. Legends is giving a 40% cash bonus with a 5x roll. The avg better can profit by just taking the bonus and picking games at 50/50 rate until roll is accomplished...then cashing out. Heritage is offering 100% cash after the NCAA tourny is over to many people with a 5x roll. People can profit from that very easily. I guarantee that legends or heritage would never tell a player that they abused their bonus and confiscate their money. They would pay the player and close their acct if need be but never steal their funds.

[WVU]

posted by a long time poster across the way:

I have never played before and had to think about what to throw away on most of the hands dealt to me.

30 hands, 1 minute 52 seconds.

Hands per minute: 16.7

18 hands per minute with an experienced player who knew basic strategy would be easy as pie.

[milwaukee mike]

there have been some great points and opinions posted here about both sides of this issue.

here's where everyone can put in their 2 cents, i'm quite sure the results will be considered by all parties involved.

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/1002423-poll-should-cory1111-paid-easystreet.html

[heyman]

If they dont like the way he used the bonus, then you pay the player and close his acct...You dont just steal from the player.

You are completely repetitive. It's not they "didn't like the way he used the bonus", the book has rules for its bonus that the player agreed to and the player might have broken them. You don't know if he didn't violate the rules so you cannot say that the book is stealing.

[pokerplayer22]

You are completely repetitive. It's not they "didn't like the way he used the bonus", the book has rules for its bonus that the player agreed to and the player might have broken them. You don't know if he didn't violate the rules so you cannot say that the book is stealing.

What i would like to know though is that this Cory made like 10 different deposits and evidentally lost every one except the last one. Why didnt EZ say anything when he was losing and depositing, losing and depositing, losing and depositing?? Because he was losing??

[sharpcat]

What i would like to know though is that this Cory made like 10 different deposits and evidentally lost every one except the last one. Why didnt EZ say anything when he was losing and depositing, losing and depositing, losing and depositing?? Because he was losing??

Not the books responsibility to monitor every single play all of their players make unless it becomes suspicious and may possibly affect their bottom dollar.

Welcome to the real world read the fine print before signing the dotted line. This is your resposibility they have covered their end.

Why do you think they took time to write the terms and conditions?

[durito]

Free rolling players isn't acceptable either. This is like BetEd's deposit policy. Name's must match but they are only going to enforce it for winners while keeping losing players deposits.

[pokerplayer22]

Not the books responsibility to monitor every single play all of their players make unless it becomes suspicious and may possibly affect their bottom dollar.

Welcome to the real world read the fine print before signing the dotted line. This is your resposibility they have covered their end.

Why do you think they took time to write the terms and conditions?

If you really want to know why I think EZ wrote their T&C's and left themselves so many outs, unlike most every other book, i'll give you my opinion but Im not sure you want to hear it.

[WVU]

Why do you think they took time to write the terms and conditions?

Honestly, I am at least partially responsible for many of the T&Cs at these joints

[wtt0315]

if you steal from wal mart then kmart will still take your buisness. Ez street took his buisness and then later found out he was known for fraud elsewhere. The way i see it is oh well. You cant just say you defrauded other casinos you dont get our money after the deposit. This thing about sending in id is crap when they say this is why we do it. Most places dont ask for id until you withdraw. i guarentee 1000 percent as long as he was losing they dont care if he defrauded a million casinos. If you don't want people who defraud do your dumb ass checks before you accept a deposit so these sitituations don't occur. you accept his deposit so you sign in to have him as your client win or lose. As far as going down there this is the stupidest thing i have every heard. I can see the belagio saying lets take a lie detector test. I would go just for the vacation though . Now if he defrauds you keep his shit and move on. This thing about a robot I am tore on because yes if they have those policies you shouldnt do it and if you do you should know you might not get your money. A robot to me is not cheating. If you play perfect stratagey at any game you will lose. He proved this because if he was using a bot and the bot always won he wouldnt of had to defraud other places. Quite honestly they should just refund his deposits give him 10 k and say this is what we are going do weather you take it or not and close the account. Fair simple both parties move on. Ez a little advice do checks before you take deposits so this shit don't happen. I am sick of seeing complaints that could of been avoided in the first place.

[sharpcat]

If you really want to know why I think EZ wrote their T&C's and left themselves so many outs, unlike most every other book, i'll give you my opinion but Im not sure you want to hear it.

If it is not an educated argument accompanied with supportive evidence than you would be correct.

Opinions like stating that most books don't have rules that provide them outs is ridiculous.

You used 5dimes as one of your examples of a book that does not do this:

At managerial discretion, correlated parlays will be voided or split into separate straight wagers with the parlay risk amount divided equally. Parlays on correlated events include: multiple selections on the same team/player in the same event, multiple selections against the same team/player in the same event, or any other combination where one event directly affects further selections in the parlay. Players will never be given the benefit if there is any doubt regarding intentions of correlated parlays. No warnings will be given.

I am unaware of others books having such a ridiculous rule in regards to correlated parlays but yet 5dimes is an "A" book. Basically 5dimes is giving themselves the right to cancel any wager that they feel is correlated. This is no different than any of the so called rules that you claim supply outs to easystreet.

[mtneer1212]

I am more bothered about the alleged fraudulent accounts owned by Cory rather than the AI claims....... if it can be proven that he has fraudulent accounts, then I say he deserves nothing. Otherwise, pay the man.

[sharpcat]

This thing about sending in id is crap when they say this is why we do it. Most places dont ask for id until you withdraw. i guarentee 1000 percent as long as he was losing they dont care if he defrauded a million casinos. If you don't want people who defraud do your dumb ass checks before you accept a deposit so these sitituations don't occur. you accept his deposit so you sign in to have him as your client win or lose.

I would rather a book screw over scamsters than to charge me a processing fee on deposits to pay for all of these background checks. This way the fraudsters are put at risk and I do not have to pay any extra fees as a result of their fraud. Bad enough that I have to worry about losing generous bonus offers and have to wait 5 days for ID verification every time I want a withdrawal because of low life crooks.

[pokerplayer22]

Just like wtt said, if he were to keep losing, EZ wouldnt have cared if he murdered 23 people in 18 states. They would have kept throwing those bonus offers out there at him and kept accepting his deposits...just as they were in the process of doing until he got lucky with one of them.

[sharpcat]

Just like wtt said, if he were to keep losing, EZ wouldnt have cared if he murdered 23 people in 18 states. They would have kept throwing those bonus offers out there at him and kept accepting his deposits...just as they were in the process of doing until he got lucky with one of them.

Just as Northbet would have kept letting him play not knowing that he was going to do a ********** on them

Or like a CS rep giving you a $100 freeplay before you deposited not knowing that you were going to re-nig on your word.

Evil books, poor player

[wtt0315]

just like we are gambling with the safety of our funds with books, books take gambles with customers. Not every customer will cheat them but they will have their share. Its just part of the buisness. We all are taking risks its just part of it. When it happens deal with it and move on.

[empty cookie jar]

I would rather a book screw over scamsters than to charge me a processing fee on deposits to pay for all of these background checks. This way the fraudsters are put at risk and I do not have to pay any extra fees as a result of their fraud. Bad enough that I have to worry about losing generous bonus offers and have to wait 5 days for ID verification every time I want a withdrawal because of low life crooks.

+1

**** scammers, they need to get whacked

[C.S.]

100% Cory "charged back" 5k here in the past and opened numerous accounts in his name and others.
IMO that has nothing to do with whether or not he should be paid for the Royal's... but this dude ain't no saint.

[heyman]

Just like wtt said, if he were to keep losing, EZ wouldnt have cared if he murdered 23 people in 18 states. They would have kept throwing those bonus offers out there at him and kept accepting his deposits...just as they were in the process of doing until he got lucky with one of them.

Sounds like you're speaking from your past, ie- "When I commit fraud, I want the book to tell me if they figure me out."

The relevant issue is if Cory broke the terms, not when EasyStreet noticed.

(As a sidenote, many places look into the account history at the time a payout is requested and EasyStreet is a smaller sportsbook. And additionally, they could have noticed what they perceived as fraud after he already had high winnings, but needed more evidence.)

[heyman]

100% Cory "charged back" 5k here in the past and opened numerous accounts in his name and others.
IMO that has nothing to do with whether or not he should be paid for the Royal's... but this dude ain't no saint.

Starting to look like a case where the girl gets blackout drunk and goes home with a different guy every night. That doesn't mean there wasn't a rape though.

[increasedodds]

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[increasedodds]

The bot is not the issue here. A bot is not artificial intelligence. By definition, artificial intelligence learns as it goes. A bot just plays in one way.

The issue is whether or not this guy is a fraud.

If ALL of his deposits cleared, you pay him. If a single one did not clear or was faked I'd tell him to pound sand.

[empty cookie jar]

the dang ole debate rages on....i'm taking my points to the dang ole VP room.....don't f uck me sbr.....don't you ever f uck me

[wtt0315]

I guess to me its as simple as this. If they have proof he was trying to defraud them then they shouldnt pay. If they found out he defrauded others then that shouldn't be a issue. They shouldnt base if they should pay or not because he defrauded others. That is none of their concern. If he defrauded other books, let the other books handle that. They don't own shares in those books. I am not on the side of scammers as they should be banned, but for instance betonsports owes me 300 and of course i will never get that becaused they scammed me. I am not going say I am not going pay betjamaica because of what betonsports did to me. they are two totally different books. If he scammed bookmaker then ez should not say well since you didn pay them and even though you won fair and square here and we accepted all your deposits we arent going pay you because of your past with other books. If you win at ceasers and it comes to find out that you cheated the borgota guess what they probably wont let you back in but they pay you.
so if he didnt nothing else wrong pay him close his account and blacklist him, but i think you have to pay him. If you have proof he was charging back or whatever then close his account and end the discussion. And on one last note I hate the fact that all this stuff becomes public about the poster or the book. If we have disputes just let sbr handle it and keep it off the boards until all the real facts are there and then state facts. I dont think all the talk back and forth he said she said helps the book or the poster. I personally wish books would protect themselves more and just check with other books before taking a deposit. I just think a lot of these complaints can be stopped before they get started. It makes it easier on the rest of us not to be hearing stories like these. This costs the book a hell of a lot more then to just check with other books with the first deposit is made.

[WVU]

I guess to me its as simple as this. If they have proof he was trying to defraud them then they shouldnt pay. If they found out he defrauded others then that shouldn't be a issue. They shouldnt base if they should pay or not because he defrauded others. That is none of their concern. If he defrauded other books, let the other books handle that. They don't own shares in those books. I am not on the side of scammers as they should be banned, but for instance betonsports owes me 300 and of course i will never get that becaused they scammed me. I am not going say I am not going pay betjamaica because of what betonsports did to me. they are two totally different books. If he scammed bookmaker then ez should not say well since you didn pay them and even though you won fair and square here and we accepted all your deposits we arent going pay you because of your past with other books. If you win at ceasers and it comes to find out that you cheated the borgota guess what they probably wont let you back in but they pay you.
so if he didnt nothing else wrong pay him close his account and blacklist him, but i think you have to pay him. If you have proof he was charging back or whatever then close his account and end the discussion. And on one last note I hate the fact that all this stuff becomes public about the poster or the book. If we have disputes just let sbr handle it and keep it off the boards until all the real facts are there and then state facts. I dont think all the talk back and forth he said she said helps the book or the poster. I personally wish books would protect themselves more and just check with other books before taking a deposit. I just think a lot of these complaints can be stopped before they get started. It makes it easier on the rest of us not to be hearing stories like these. This costs the book a hell of a lot more then to just check with other books with the first deposit is made.

Good post but I disagree about one thing. This stuff has to remain public because without public pressure and public attention the player wouldn't stand a chance in hell of getting paid. That is the reason to have these forums. That is really our only recourse when a book/casino goes bad.

[milwaukee mike]

Good post but I disagree about one thing. This stuff has to remain public because without public pressure and public attention the player wouldn't stand a chance in hell of getting paid. That is the reason to have these forums. That is really our only recourse when a book/casino goes bad.

i agree with you, but i disagree with one other thing in his post that has been mentioned before.
how can you expect a sportsbook to check with other books before accepting a deposit?

these deposits are accepted automatically online, there's no way a sportsbook is going to call up 30 other sportsbooks every time they want to accept a $250 online deposit. that would be logistically impossible and ridiculous. and there would be privacy issues if betjam was telling easystreet about customer info without a dispute coming up - i certainly don't want them spreading around info of when and how much i deposit and i don't think anyone else does either.

[milwaukee mike]

oh wait i forgot i was supposed to go away.
my apologies to wvu as the keeper of the thread and boss of sbr, i keep forgetting that john told me to bow down to you even though you only seem to post when you have a vested interest in something.

[WVU]

There is some due diligence on the shop's part, but you can't expect them to research every player and deposit. The biggest problem is the fact that EZ is going through the motions of tarnishing Cory's name without providing a shred of proof. Where is proof of these chargebacks? Where is the proof of the 27 banned accounts? Why wouldn't any of those books step up in EZ's defense?

[C.S.]

I did. A few posts earlier. Not sticking up for either side. Just noting the previous transgressions of the victim.

[WVU]

I did. A few posts earlier. Not sticking up for either side. Just noting the previous transgressions of the victim.

are you a book? Did you post proof or just a statement?