Betmaker Review - In progress

[todd73nj]

Todd,

Legit 1cent lines for $400+ (ML,RL, Total):

MB: 11 (Plus 10 others lines 2 cents wide for decent volume, 2k+)
BM: 0 (Sorry but I struggled to find a single market trading 1cent wide with $400 available on both sides) (dont think I found a single offer greater than 1.5k on BM).

My initial score was based on filling an offer of $1,000 at best average odds, we differ in terms of this criteria so scores are not comparable.

Do you have any ideas on line error in the HOU/CHI runline market? To me its a clear indication that every offer in that market was put up by a market maker. 3offers each side of the market that were 30-60c incorrect. Whats more worrying is the fact that those offers were up there for a good 5mins. There cant be very many players at BM given that it took that long for someone to capitalize on it.

Ironically I believe 5 of the one cent lines are on even number totals. Why would that be? Its obvious to me - and Im sure to you also - that people are smart enough to attempt to get a position of (for example) over 8, and under 8.5. But then that goes back to the complaints about stale/wrong lines. Anyone that is complaining about that, doesnt realize the money making opportunity.

And you are right, you are comparing an established book - where MLB was always the best sport - to a book that has had activity for 90 days. I can go back and dig up my NBA/NCAA screen shots and let you do your comparison.

[Johnny 55]

But then that goes back to the complaints about stale/wrong lines. Anyone that is complaining about that, doesnt realize the money making opportunity

Seriously, Todd, you are the strangest guy, it is like you are sharp and then not sharp at the same time. Why would there be more money making opportunities at a place where they only have the stale line on a total as compared to a place (Matchbook) that has the stale line and a new, more accurate line, I like both choices instead of one, this seems like common sense.

Anyone who can operate a half pt. calculator can get down what the numbers tell them is better on deciding between a 7 or 7.5 baseball total.

[relaaxx]

i am tired of waiting for better,updated lines and live betting. will just transfer to bookmaker. at least they have live bettting. it's a place(bookmaker) where i would rather not have any funds at. but, i deposited in betmaker,hopeing they would improve many problems that have been talked about here. they adressed exactly 0 of them.

[Hareeba!]

Never in any post have you cited anything. When asked for information, you spout. Thats all. Plain and simple.

lol
as spouted by the one and only person in this thread (let alone the planet) who says the BM is better than MB in every way

[todd73nj]

But then that goes back to the complaints about stale/wrong lines. Anyone that is complaining about that, doesnt realize the money making opportunity

Seriously, Todd, you are the strangest guy, it is like you are sharp and then not sharp at the same time. Why would there be more money making opportunities at a place where they only have the stale line on a total as compared to a place (Matchbook) that has the stale line and a new, more accurate line, I like both choices instead of one, this seems like common sense.

Anyone who can operate a half pt. calculator can get down what the numbers tell them is better on deciding between a 7 or 7.5 baseball total.

But a half point calculator at a book is at a set price! Just because the line at (example only) Matchbook is -7, and you buy up to a +7.5 at a book, that doesnt mean you fill get an opportunity to to have arbitrage! You need an exchange to have that stale line because you get usually get a better price than a book. I dont think youd disagree that BOTH Matchbook and Betmaker will offer better odds in 90% of circumstances than a regular book would. And the goal of finding that magic number in a game is to either make a nice chunk of change or not lose anything. If you try to take -7 at MB, and +7.5 at 5 dimes, they raise the vig so much you couldnt possibly have a break even situation.

5dimes doesnt have any lines that can be moved posted at the moment, so I cant show you what I mean - but Im sure you understand.

[todd73nj]

lol
as spouted by the one and only person in this thread (let alone the planet) who says the BM is better than MB in every way

Not one link, screen shot, or anything... ever. For a guy making thousands, you sure spend a lot of time here. lol

[Mike_79]

Is Betmaker down for anyone else?

[evo34]

Is Betmaker down for anyone else?

Yes.

[Mike_79]

Thanks

[RealSlimShady]

It's back up again.

[Hareeba!]

Not one link, screen shot, or anything... ever. For a guy making thousands, you sure spend a lot of time here. lol

so what am I meant to show links or screenshots of ?
I've already told you that I don't know how to post screenshots and you requiring them in regard to the prices I've quoted from MB and BM simply means you are calling me a liar again.

for someone who has failed so miserably to provide links after so many requests for evidence to support your claims against me this is really quite laughable.

[RealSlimShady]

As a current user of Betmaker and ex Matchbook user, I will say that MB is a way, way superior product currently. I wish I could play there. Was hoping that Betmaker would get a lot better since I first started, but that's not been the case. It got only slightly better in a couple of months. I am only able to do about 10-20% of the volume I used to do on Matchbook.

[evo34]

What is your deal? Are you drunk? Why drag out a thread 500 posts to prove something that does not exist? Every single person besides yourself who has ever glanced at the liquidity between Matchbook and Betmaker has said Matchbook is better by orders of magnitude. Do you have a deal with Betmaker, or are you just hopelessly stubborn? I would guess the latter. I have no access to Matchbook, and would greatly benefit if Betmaker had anywhere near the action of Matchbook in baseball. But they don't. Move on.

So I decided I wanted to bet the Mets tonight... Only have Betmaker and 5 dimes. But I wanted to take a look at MB prices also. And not surprising to me - I found the better price where? Betmaker. I certainly wont be like everyone else though and quote ONE game with no screen shot.. Ill post screen shots. Just looking at whats available on the ML (bec thats what I was betting) and whatever fit on the screen on those pages. Ive done this 10 times before - using all the games - but thats never good enough. So for my perspective, with my $400 wage size on the listed games... I would bet: Mets @ Betmaker Pirates @ MB Milw @ Betmaker Cinn @ MB Col @ MB LAD @ Betmaker Florida @ Either AZ @ Either Betmaker is at least as god as Matchbook. Keep in mind however, this is MBs biggest sport. These 1 cent lines people talk of just dont exist. The MMer at MB is between 3 and 5 cents apart. And if you take the time to go back and look at the NBA, NCAA, and NHL - you will find that Betmaker was consistently better than Matchbook. Its all posted in earlier in the thread.

[Hareeba!]

What is your deal? Are you drunk? Why drag out a thread 500 posts to prove something that does not exist? Every single person besides yourself who has ever glanced at the liquidity between Matchbook and Betmaker has said Matchbook is better by orders of magnitude. Do you have a deal with Betmaker, or are you just hopelessly stubborn? I would guess the latter. I have no access to Matchbook, and would greatly benefit if Betmaker had anywhere near the action of Matchbook in baseball. But they don't. Move on.

It's really quite simple Evo - Todd hates MB with a passion because he can't play there any more and they've delayed paying him

But BM is "better in every way"

[redapple]

Yesterday's bets have not been graded yet? What the hell? And they won't even allowed me to transfer from my bookmaker to betmaker account. Is it a sign that they are calling a quit on the exchange?

[todd73nj]

As a current user of Betmaker and ex Matchbook user, I will say that MB is a way, way superior product currently. I wish I could play there. Was hoping that Betmaker would get a lot better since I first started, but that's not been the case. It got only slightly better in a couple of months. I am only able to do about 10-20% of the volume I used to do on Matchbook.

What is your deal? Are you drunk? Why drag out a thread 500 posts to prove something that does not exist? Every single person besides yourself who has ever glanced at the liquidity between Matchbook and Betmaker has said Matchbook is better by orders of magnitude. Do you have a deal with Betmaker, or are you just hopelessly stubborn? I would guess the latter. I have no access to Matchbook, and would greatly benefit if Betmaker had anywhere near the action of Matchbook in baseball. But they don't. Move on.

You are dealing with a book that had an exclusive on US business vs a book 3 months ago that was irrelevant. Time to see there are other options.

MB has gone down hill in the last 3 months, Betmaker uphill. EVERY game EVERY runner had 1 cent lines last year in MLB. NCAA lines werent even posted for the tournament at MB this year. Scroll back.

But MB is sooo sooo good. lol

[todd73nj]

They have a phone # - where you can talk to someone. Call.

My wagers have been graded. Only 6 all day.. But all graded.

[todd73nj]

It's really quite simple Evo - Todd hates MB with a passion because he can't play there any more and they've delayed paying him

But BM is "better in every way"

No facts, no figures just fluff about a book with clear financial problems.

[unclebuzz1]

It's simple supply and demand. If all the world bet at one exchange, then all markets would have a one cent line. Guaranteed! Currently, MB has more clients than BM so they tend to be closer to one cent lines, as of now. If/when Betmaker continues to gain more clients, their lines will tend to be closer to one cent lines. Hasn't this issue been beaten to death?

Does anyone use the US race book feature?

[todd73nj]

It's simple supply and demand. If all the world bet at one exchange, then all markets would have a one cent line. Guaranteed! Currently, MB has more clients than BM so they tend to be closer to one cent lines, as of now. If/when Betmaker continues to gain more clients, their lines will tend to be closer to one cent lines. Hasn't this issue been beaten to death?

Does anyone use the US race book feature?

One book is gaining, the other losing.

As far as race book, I used it a few times. Only play a few bucks at horse racing unless its a big race. So cant really offer you much info there. $20 WPS is about a max play for me

[wrongturn]

It closed French Open final match way too early, like one full day?

[tofuman]

matchbook.com site has been opened back up to US IPs for some time now.. are they gonna start allowing US players back? I see in the registration you still can't select US as residence though.

[unclebuzz1]

matchbook.com site has been opened back up to US IPs for some time now.. are they gonna start allowing US players back? I see in the registration you still can't select US as residence though.

I don't know but I see that my account is still active (with $0.00 balance). It makes you wonder what would happen if you transferred funds from another book.

[RealSlimShady]

I don't know but I see that my account is still active (with $0.00 balance). It makes you wonder what would happen if you transferred funds from another book.

Hmm....almost feel like trying that. I should do a $50 transfer to test it out.

[BigFish]

Save your $50, Slim. When you attempt to confirm a wager, a box pops up stating that they cannot accept a wager from the US.

[RealSlimShady]

Save your $50, Slim. When you attempt to confirm a wager, a box pops up stating that they cannot accept a wager from the US.

Thanks for the headsup!

[Johnnythunder]

would love for matchbook to be available for us residents once again

[tofuman]

after the domain seizure has betmaker been paying up?

[austin]

reading the above it is apparent that betmaker isn't doing much to improve

[todd73nj]

after the domain seizure has betmaker been paying up?

I have received a wire since. I actually just lowered my account balance (at both Betmaker and 5 dimes) just because of uncertainty.

Its funny though -bec MB promised me a tracking number 10 days ago for my final withdrawal - but they have yet to email that to me. And in that time, Ive processed and received WDs from both Betmaker and 5dimes. I think that speaks volumes to liquid cash.

reading the above it is apparent that betmaker isn't doing much to improve

As far as site improvements.. you are correct. As far as volume changes, you are completely wrong.

[tofuman]

liquidity has improved, a lot of 2 cent lines today (with multiple K on both sides)
it's just hard to fund an account

[ArunSh]

I'm hopeful that MLB liquidity will improve even more once NBA/NHL Championships are over and people have more funds available...

[maxvalue1]

Yes...would like to see more MLB liquidity...but at least its slowly getting better

[ArunSh]

I got a wire from them within around 24 hours, pretty good if you ask me!

[wrongturn]

If they reduce the commission of making offers like Matchbook, liquidity will be even better. Just don't understand why they keep dragging their feet.