Betmaker Review - In progress

[todd73nj]

they can't move lines, lines are set once on open and that's it. lol. their software is too shitty to be able to move lines w/o screwing up the people who use their API. and they are too lazy to fix their software.

Again, I will completely disagree with this. Lines that are .5 or 1 off have a great chance to push/win. Those are idea for basically finding yourself a free play.

Happened about 10 times in the NBA playoffs alone. And two of them did hit. With football - the odds of a 3/3.5 and 6.5/7 or 7/7.5 coming into play are probably alot greater!

[doesnotcompute]

Again, I will completely disagree with this. Lines that are .5 or 1 off have a great chance to push/win. Those are idea for basically finding yourself a free play.

Happened about 10 times in the NBA playoffs alone. And two of them did hit. With football - the odds of a 3/3.5 and 6.5/7 or 7/7.5 coming into play are probably alot greater!

Exactly! I find working the lines between this and heritage, you'd be able to cover both sides nicely. Their shitty software and outdated lines are an advantage, not a disadvantage.

[todd73nj]

Exactly! I find working the lines between this and heritage, you'd be able to cover both sides nicely. Their shitty software and outdated lines are an advantage, not a disadvantage.

I really feel football will provide some great opportunities.


Some great golf markets posted tonight!

They count golf matched $$ on the smaller amount. I shorted about 8 golfers to win about $400 total if none of the 8 win - and have much more at risk than the $820 matched.

[doesnotcompute]

Still working on getting funds sent there. I've been keeping a close eye on their liquidity which is kinda sad. As Todd mentions above, I noticed the 'amount matched/unmatched' are usually wrong.

Good news is I think after MB and greek closing, they probably got a boost in players, and might be increasing staffing. Hopefully a new interface is in the works. Sick of playing Bookmaker's 20 cent highway robbery.

[todd73nj]

Still working on getting funds sent there. I've been keeping a close eye on their liquidity which is kinda sad. As Todd mentions above, I noticed the 'amount matched/unmatched' are usually wrong. Good news is I think after MB and greek closing, they probably got a boost in players, and might be increasing staffing. Hopefully a new interface is in the works. Sick of playing Bookmaker's 20 cent highway robbery.

Send some money over. Even if there is a rollover - if you plan to play you will make the rollover pretty easily. Lines are def better than 20 cents.

And didnt all the money from Greek get transfered to another book? No not sure that will help Betmaker

[todd73nj]

Someone was semi actively market making the WGC today.

Why cant Betmaker realize if they leave other things open besides golf - this could happen on its own and build up.

I took a few dollars here and there to keep his interest. So if you bet golf.. keep an eye out on the weekend during the rounds!

[Kindred]

I'm going to deposit here tomorrow or Sunday. There are some good bonuses I'm passing up but I want to throw some support to Betmaker, really missing matchbook hoping they can become better than MB was.

Surprised more people haven't started playing here, really thought liquidity would be much higher by now especially with greek closing. Well I'll do my part and stick some of my roll there, hopefully by the time football starts it really takes off.

[doesnotcompute]

Update: I was able to transfer from bookmaker after talking to a manger on Thursday. It's good to be at an exchange again getting best value odds. So far I've made two MLB ML offers at 2 points better than what was currently posted, and both got matched within 15 mins. I'm not worried about liquidity anymore

Everyone join and start playing there! If you're American and straight-wager, this is the place to be!

[doesnotcompute]

They also have this 'point' thing going on. Anyone knows what it's good for?

2240 Risk per point: 50

[todd73nj]

Update: I was able to transfer from bookmaker after talking to a manger on Thursday. It's good to be at an exchange again getting best value odds. So far I've made two MLB ML offers at 2 points better than what was currently posted, and both got matched within 15 mins. I'm not worried about liquidity anymore Everyone join and start playing there! If you're American and straight-wager, this is the place to be!

Ill be honest - Im not a price maker - much more of a price taker. So glad to hear you are getting hit. Thats def a good thing. because if you follow alot of MBs current markets - you will see their prices are stagnant. They have to be hurting from the loss of US players.

They also have this 'point' thing going on. Anyone knows what it's good for? 2240 Risk per point: 50

This was from the old commission structure. It use to be 5% - and you could get up to 60% off depending on the amount of money you risked in the markets on a weekly basis. It would partially erode and start again the next week. They did away with this structure - and went to the 2% only. I guess they never too the risk points out of the profile.

[bobbywaves]

I had both positive & negative experience with Betmaker today. I was pleasantly surprised when I noticed an arbitrage opportunity with Dale Earnhardt Jr. at +180 matched up against Kasey Kahne -150 at DSI. The $40 risk free win was nice, however it shouldn't take over an hour to grade an event. I risked my whole bankroll on the nascar, so I need it graded in a timely fashion to wager on Sunday night baseball. Finally was graded a few minutes ago.

[todd73nj]

I had both positive & negative experience with Betmaker today. I was pleasantly surprised when I noticed an arbitrage opportunity with Dale Earnhardt Jr. at +180 matched up against Kasey Kahne -150 at DSI. The $40 risk free win was nice, however it shouldn't take over an hour to grade an event. I risked my whole bankroll on the nascar, so I need it graded in a timely fashion to wager on Sunday night baseball. Finally was graded a few minutes ago.

Alot of sites are slow with unpopular events. Not saying Nascar is not a popular sport - but its not bet on much. I love the matchups also. You can find some great arbs every week.

With baseball they have been closing out fast.

But there is always that toll free phone #! Can sometimes speed up the process!

[Milk Money]

todd you have been a huge help on this thread

[todd73nj]

todd you have been a huge help on this thread

Wish I could have made some progress with them

Maybe if we do one of those online petitions to just get them to do something like leave games open till they are over. Maybe that would create some ingame volume. That would have to work for football I would think!

[todd73nj]

Some more great lines on Golf! Short top 8 for about 35%! Not bad!

[tofuman]

why don't they have the totals up for MLB Houston VS. Arizona?
normally they don't miss anything and all the games are up..surprised they missed this one

[jtmarti1]

I don't post much, but thought this thread might be able to help. I have played at matchbook exclusively the last few years. I called to make a big deposit at Betmaker to start my balance for the season. They told me i would be required to pay $50 to them for depositing + the fees i have to pay my bank. And then when i withdraw, I have to pay another $50 per $3k check.

Is anyone aware if these high costs are negotiable? For a new book trying to build liquidity, these costs seem outrageous. I thought with very large deposits, they would waive or reduce some of the fees.

Thanks -
JT

[BigFish]

I don't post much, but thought this thread might be able to help. I have played at matchbook exclusively the last few years. I called to make a big deposit at Betmaker to start my balance for the season. They told me i would be required to pay $50 to them for depositing + the fees i have to pay my bank. And then when i withdraw, I have to pay another $50 per $3k check.

Is anyone aware if these high costs are negotiable? For a new book trying to build liquidity, these costs seem outrageous. I thought with very large deposits, they would waive or reduce some of the fees.

Thanks -
JT

Unfortunately, and to the dismay of many of us in this thread, they don't appear to be "trying to build liquidity.".

[todd73nj]

I don't post much, but thought this thread might be able to help. I have played at matchbook exclusively the last few years. I called to make a big deposit at Betmaker to start my balance for the season. They told me i would be required to pay $50 to them for depositing + the fees i have to pay my bank. And then when i withdraw, I have to pay another $50 per $3k check.

Is anyone aware if these high costs are negotiable? For a new book trying to build liquidity, these costs seem outrageous. I thought with very large deposits, they would waive or reduce some of the fees.

Thanks -
JT

Im assuming you are wiring? I pay nothing to wire - I just pay my bank fees which are $30. Ive never asked for them to pay for my fees - because honestlly, if Im worried about $30 I prob shouldnt be keeping any money off shore as there is a great chance to lose it in so many ways.

When you call the 800 #, Id ask to speak to the manager, and explain to them your situation. You know how the employees work - they are told this is how its done - and thats they only way its done.

[tofuman]

Im assuming you are wiring? I pay nothing to wire - I just pay my bank fees which are $30. Ive never asked for them to pay for my fees - because honestlly, if Im worried about $30 I prob shouldnt be keeping any money off shore as there is a great chance to lose it in so many ways.

When you call the 800 #, Id ask to speak to the manager, and explain to them your situation. You know how the employees work - they are told this is how its done - and thats they only way its done.

I thought you used to email them to get check withdrawals for only a $9 fee? or you haven't done that for a while so you don't know if they still allow it?

[bobbywaves]

Some more great lines on Golf! Short top 8 for about 35%! Not bad!

Please elaborate how this is done, either in forum or via PM. Thanks.

[todd73nj]

I thought you used to email them to get check withdrawals for only a $9 fee? or you haven't done that for a while so you don't know if they still allow it?

Yes they will do $9 WDs. I havent made one via Check in about 2 months, but have used Wires. Quicker, and easier imo. Especially if I want to get the money and put it somewhere else. I only like to have a certain amount offshore. Dont want to send out a few thousand while Im waiting for a few thousand. A few years back - wouldnt have thought twice about it. But now Im more cautious.

[todd73nj]

Please elaborate how this is done, either in forum or via PM. Thanks.

Sure.. very simple.

When you are in a market, ie Golf - make sure For and Against is checked off.

The right hand set of numbers is AGAINST. Thats what you want to bet. And the way I figured out the 35% was converting the US odds to % odds using my odds calculator. If you need a link to one that does it easily for you, just say the word. Then add it up - and it was 34.6%


So basically I took the field vs the top 8 in the opening odds at -186

[tofuman]

c'mon guys pump up that liquidity! today in MLB not looking to hot.

[ArunSh]

Is anyone else getting slow paid by them? Could just be random, but I got my first wire from them in about 5 days, but this last one I requested, I have been waiting for for almost 3 weeks. I keep getting the run around also when I ask them about it, they keep claiming there is an issue with the processor and that they are waiting to hear back. Not sure what's going on, and I haven't heard anyone else complain about it so I doubt it's a big issue, just wondering why a solid book like this would have such a problem and take so long...

[tofuman]

Is anyone else getting slow paid by them? Could just be random, but I got my first wire from them in about 5 days, but this last one I requested, I have been waiting for for almost 3 weeks. I keep getting the run around also when I ask them about it, they keep claiming there is an issue with the processor and that they are waiting to hear back. Not sure what's going on, and I haven't heard anyone else complain about it so I doubt it's a big issue, just wondering why a solid book like this would have such a problem and take so long...

tell them to cancel that request and just fedex you a check since it's about the same price?

[ArunSh]

tell them to cancel that request and just fedex you a check since it's about the same price?

Well my wire is for more than the maximum check so I can't do that and withdraw the way I want.

But the bigger issue is that they say they cannot cancel the wire, that it has already "been sent", just due to an issue with the processor, I haven't received it yet. I have no idea what this issue with the processor is, but frankly the fact that it has delayed my withdrawal so long is rather frustrating.

[bobbywaves]

Please advise when you receive payment.

[todd73nj]

Is anyone else getting slow paid by them? Could just be random, but I got my first wire from them in about 5 days, but this last one I requested, I have been waiting for for almost 3 weeks. I keep getting the run around also when I ask them about it, they keep claiming there is an issue with the processor and that they are waiting to hear back. Not sure what's going on, and I haven't heard anyone else complain about it so I doubt it's a big issue, just wondering why a solid book like this would have such a problem and take so long...

tell them to cancel that request and just fedex you a check since it's about the same price?

Well my wire is for more than the maximum check so I can't do that and withdraw the way I want. But the bigger issue is that they say they cannot cancel the wire, that it has already "been sent", just due to an issue with the processor, I haven't received it yet. I have no idea what this issue with the processor is, but frankly the fact that it has delayed my withdrawal so long is rather frustrating.

My wires have taken about 5 business days - had one take 7 buiness days - which lagged it over 2 weeks. But that has pretty much been my time frame. My last WD was a few weeks back.. I can check exactly how many days it was - but certainly didnt lag more than 7 or 8 total days.

Keep us updated on whats going on. This will certainly not be good news - hoping its just a one time glitch between the two banks.

You should def call and talk to management directly.

[ArunSh]

My wires have taken about 5 business days - had one take 7 buiness days - which lagged it over 2 weeks. But that has pretty much been my time frame. My last WD was a few weeks back.. I can check exactly how many days it was - but certainly didnt lag more than 7 or 8 total days.

Keep us updated on whats going on. This will certainly not be good news - hoping its just a one time glitch between the two banks.

You should def call and talk to management directly.

I have called them many times about this, and that's basically been what I've been getting - they keep saying that it's a processor issue and that their hands are tied until they hear from the processor. They say a few others who were also getting wires to BkofAma are also in the same boat, but I haven't seen anyone on here complain of that...

I'm hoping that it is just a one time glitch - I assume if this was widespread I'd be seeing other complaints about slow wires from others which again I haven't (at least in regards to this family of books).

[MeMyselfandEye]

I requested a check on the last Thursday in Aug..they didn't process it until 6 business days later - the following Friday is when I received a tracking # emailed to me. Then it showed up on Tuesday..so about 8 business days, 12 days total if you count the 2 weekends.

[todd73nj]

I have called them many times about this, and that's basically been what I've been getting - they keep saying that it's a processor issue and that their hands are tied until they hear from the processor. They say a few others who were also getting wires to BkofAma are also in the same boat, but I haven't seen anyone on here complain of that...

I'm hoping that it is just a one time glitch - I assume if this was widespread I'd be seeing other complaints about slow wires from others which again I haven't (at least in regards to this family of books).

I actually looked to see if there were any other slow pays posted - didnt see any. But please keep up updated.

Slow pay is the kiss of death. That was my cue to get out of WSEX before that disaster started. I got al my money out about 6 months prior to everyone starting to get slow paid.

I requested a check on the last Thursday in Aug..they didn't process it until 6 business days later - the following Friday is when I received a tracking # emailed to me. Then it showed up on Tuesday..so about 8 business days, 12 days total if you count the 2 weekends.

Have to give any book the courtesy of not counting weekends.

[ArunSh]

I actually looked to see if there were any other slow pays posted - didnt see any. But please keep up updated.

Well, they were able to cancel the wire finally, and are supposedly sending me two checks instead (free of charge to make up for the problems). Sounds good, but won't be sure obviously until I actually receive the $.

But yeah, given not a single other person has voiced such a problem, hopefully it's just a random glitch and not a symptom of anything.

[Ethan]

At moment seems tough to want to deposit, until there are some improvements, but hopefully it happens, we need a place like this!

[relaaxx]

still not 1 improvement in months. no live betting. ridiculous spread lines,totals that never change. takes extra time and clicks to navigate this site set up. hard to navigate account history. slow grading. fees for everything,deposits and withdrawlals. no incentive to offer lines. it's an exchange. still worth playing here. but i hate thier stupidity.