Betmaker Review - In progress

[todd73nj]

Well, they were able to cancel the wire finally, and are supposedly sending me two checks instead (free of charge to make up for the problems). Sounds good, but won't be sure obviously until I actually receive the $.

But yeah, given not a single other person has voiced such a problem, hopefully it's just a random glitch and not a symptom of anything.

Ask for a tracking # - Im assuming they will send it expedited. And please keep us updated - I am only using Betmaker and 5 dimes right now, and I will be out of there fast if they start with payout issues.

At moment seems tough to want to deposit, until there are some improvements, but hopefully it happens, we need a place like this!

Its tough to deposit anywhere right now - not just Betmaker. All these sites getting popped and changing URLs, BetEd just disappearing. BetJam dumping US players. And even BetUs - a crap book - 500% bonuses - who would have guessed they would pull out of the US? And of course Matchbook.

still not 1 improvement in months. no live betting. ridiculous spread lines,totals that never change. takes extra time and clicks to navigate this site set up. hard to navigate account history. slow grading. fees for everything,deposits and withdrawlals. no incentive to offer lines. it's an exchange. still worth playing here. but i hate thier stupidity.

100% disagree with you.

1) What other live betting options do you have? And please dont tell me 5dimes, because thats not real live betting - Because if its a 20 point game, spread moves to 20.

2) "totals that never change" are one of the most profitable opportunities around. Just this week, 2 games have hit 8, that Betmaker had a "stale" 8.5 line, and 8.0 was available on another site. I would hate for them to ever change their stale lines.

3) Same navigation as Betfair, the biggest exchange anywhere.

4) Account history? Is that really an issue?

5) Slow grading on obscure events, yes. But on major events.. its quick enough for me. Unless you are one of those guys who goes all in every bet and tries to time out the 7pm game closings to bet a 10pm game. If you follow any bankroll management skills, you shouldnt even need the event closed out on the same day. Sure would be great to have it immediate - but not important to me.

6) Fees are fees. If paying a $50 fee to withdraw your money makes a differnce to a player, they prob shouldnt have money off shore. To this point - I have been paid very quickly by Betmaker, and am more than happy to pay to get my winnings. (Hope that slow pay we are talking about in this thread is an isolated incident)

7) In game fees almost balance out to what MB was. Cheaper than Betfair. And I go back to the comment I have made 1000x about Matchbook. Everyone claimed to be a price maker. I couldnt have been the only one taking prices there.

Do they have work to do? Yes. Are they worse than anything we had or have? No.

[bobbywaves]

[quote=todd73nj;11095382] 2) "totals that never change" are one of the most profitable opportunities around. Just this week, 2 games have hit 8, that Betmaker had a "stale" 8.5 line, and 8.0 was available on another site. I would hate for them to ever change their stale lines.

So how does stale lines help exactly? You either get a push & a win, or a push & a loss depending on the over/under outcome. I don't see an arb or anything profitable about this, please elaborate. Thanks.

[unclebuzz1]

2) "totals that never change" are one of the most profitable opportunities around. Just this week, 2 games have hit 8, that Betmaker had a "stale" 8.5 line, and 8.0 was available on another site. I would hate for them to ever change their stale lines.

So how does stale lines help exactly? You either get a push & a win, or a push & a loss depending on the over/under outcome. I don't see an arb or anything profitable about this, please elaborate. Thanks.

Exactly as you have stated. A win on Under 8.5 and a push on Over 8.0. He says it's hit exactly 8, twice this week. Any total other than 8 and you lose only a little juice. You would never play for a push and a loss (such as Under 8.0 and Over 8.5). It's so much more valuable for in-play wagering because you can lock in a profit or loss before the game ends.

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[relaaxx]

Ask for a tracking # - Im assuming they will send it expedited. And please keep us updated - I am only using Betmaker and 5 dimes right now, and I will be out of there fast if they start with payout issues.



Its tough to deposit anywhere right now - not just Betmaker. All these sites getting popped and changing URLs, BetEd just disappearing. BetJam dumping US players. And even BetUs - a crap book - 500% bonuses - who would have guessed they would pull out of the US? And of course Matchbook.




100% disagree with you.

1) What other live betting options do you have? And please dont tell me 5dimes, because thats not real live betting - Because if its a 20 point game, spread moves to 20.

2) "totals that never change" are one of the most profitable opportunities around. Just this week, 2 games have hit 8, that Betmaker had a "stale" 8.5 line, and 8.0 was available on another site. I would hate for them to ever change their stale lines.

3) Same navigation as Betfair, the biggest exchange anywhere.

4) Account history? Is that really an issue?

5) Slow grading on obscure events, yes. But on major events.. its quick enough for me. Unless you are one of those guys who goes all in every bet and tries to time out the 7pm game closings to bet a 10pm game. If you follow any bankroll management skills, you shouldnt even need the event closed out on the same day. Sure would be great to have it immediate - but not important to me.

6) Fees are fees. If paying a $50 fee to withdraw your money makes a differnce to a player, they prob shouldnt have money off shore. To this point - I have been paid very quickly by Betmaker, and am more than happy to pay to get my winnings. (Hope that slow pay we are talking about in this thread is an isolated incident)

7) In game fees almost balance out to what MB was. Cheaper than Betfair. And I go back to the comment I have made 1000x about Matchbook. Everyone claimed to be a price maker. I couldnt have been the only one taking prices there.

Do they have work to do? Yes. Are they worse than anything we had or have? No.

1. at least others have live betting.
2. you have to be willing to lose money if you don't get that push to make a buck on the total or the week long old spread line(nfl).
3. then it sucks at betfair too. 3 or 4 clicks instead of 1 or 2 for everythnig.
4. yes, i would like to have easier navigation. every other site that i play at is easier.
5. slower than most on every sport. and i don't bet my limits. and if the game gets over after 10 or 11 it will be graded the next day,late in the morning.
6. fees are fees. what does that mean. not everyone charges fees for withdrawals. never mind that they charge for deposits too. and don't cover any fees even on deposits.
7. did not complain about the 2%.

todd you are just satisfied with everything they do and have been from the begining. i'm not. they should be better. listen to customers. at least fix something. they suck. because how good they could be. it's an exchange. run by idiots. that people in the US are forced to use for now,because they are the only exchange. when another exchange opens this place will be history. i have never seen anyone stick up for a sportsbook like todd does for this place. since day 1. when matchboojk left.

[relaaxx]

st louis-cubs still not graded - don't need the money to bet with - just aggrevating. grade it already.

[relaaxx]

last 2 games in baseball tonight. toronto-oak over 8 -120 or balt-laa over 9 -110 most sites. betmaker tor-oak over 8 1/2 +104 and only $180 offered. so i can bet over 8 1/2 at betmaker and under 8 everywhere else at even money. or i can bet under 8 1/2 at +114 against over 9 at -110 everywhere else. these are the sort of offers for the totals and spreads. they are ridiculous odds against you to take to make a couple bucks. i should be able to bet the line chaange at betmaker against the line at another book. but betmaker makes it impossible. when the total or spread is the same there is never a good bet or enough money on it to make any difference. only money lines are even worth looking at. the number of extra clicks to go around check all lines is useless and time cumsuming. like i said before this place sucks and is run by idiots. because of the potential they will not take avantage of. and oh yea. i still have not had that st louis-cubs game graded. maybe tomorrow it is a little late for betmaker.

[Hareeba!]

last 2 games in baseball tonight. toronto-oak over 8 -120 or balt-laa over 9 -110 most sites. betmaker tor-oak over 8 1/2 +104 and only $180 offered. so i can bet over 8 1/2 at betmaker and under 8 everywhere else at even money. or i can bet under 8 1/2 at +114 against over 9 at -110 everywhere else. these are the sort of offers for the totals and spreads. they are ridiculous odds against you to take to make a couple bucks. i should be able to bet the line chaange at betmaker against the line at another book. but betmaker makes it impossible. when the total or spread is the same there is never a good bet or enough money on it to make any difference. only money lines are even worth looking at. the number of extra clicks to go around check all lines is useless and time cumsuming. like i said before this place sucks and is run by idiots. because of the potential they will not take avantage of. and oh yea. i still have not had that st louis-cubs game graded. maybe tomorrow it is a little late for betmaker.

hey, but they're still "better than Matchbook in every way" (Todd)

[relaaxx]

hey, but they're still "better than Matchbook in every way" (Todd)

todd is good for a laugh. he does really think betmaker is/was better than matchbook. that's hilarious. it's not even close. that's todd.

[bobbywaves]

Exactly as you have stated. A win on Under 8.5 and a push on Over 8.0. He says it's hit exactly 8, twice this week. Any total other than 8 and you lose only a little juice. You would never play for a push and a loss (such as Under 8.0 and Over 8.5). It's so much more valuable for in-play wagering because you can lock in a profit or loss before the game ends. .

Ok, so the 2 games it hit vs. the games it didn't where vig was lost. How much profit are we talking for say $100 bets?

[relaaxx]

st louis-cubs still not graded - don't need the money to bet with - just aggrevating. grade it already.

4 o'clock game-finally graded--that makes this game either an obscure event or that extra 3 hours is quick enough for todd. great.

[unclebuzz1]

Ok, so the 2 games it hit vs. the games it didn't where vig was lost. How much profit are we talking for say $100 bets?

It depends on the odds you can get.

Let's say you can get Under 8.5 @-105 at Betmaker but the line moves to 8.0.
Then, you can get Over 8.0 @-105 at 5Dimes. You'd bet $105 on each side.
If the total is exactly 8, you win $100 at Betmaker and push at 5Dimes for a profit of $100.
If the total is not exactly 8, you win $100 at one book and lose $105 at the other book for a net loss of $5.
So, you're risking $5 to win $100 or 20-1 odds.

With the total remaining the same at Betmaker, you can make both bets at once without worrying about which way the line moves either up/or down. Also, Betmaker is an exchange where the odds available are closer than the -110/-110 (or worse) lines at other books.

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[relaaxx]

It depends on the odds you can get.

Let's say you can get Under 8.5 @-105 at Betmaker but the line moves to 8.0.
Then, you can get Over 8.0 @-105 at 5Dimes. You'd bet $105 on each side.
If the total is exactly 8, you win $100 at Betmaker and push at 5Dimes for a profit of $100.
If the total is not exactly 8, you win $100 at one book and lose $105 at the other book for a net loss of $5.
So, you're risking $5 to win $100 or 20-1 odds.

With the total remaining the same at Betmaker, you can make both bets at once without worrying about which way the line moves either up/or down. Also, Betmaker is an exchange where the odds available are closer than the -110/-110 (or worse) lines at other books.

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you will never get odds that good at betmaker and another book if it moves from 8 1/2 to 8. over 8 is likely to cost much more than -105. when you have the advantage of over 8 under 8 1/2 it will cost more like -115 or -120 for the over 8 somewhere else and the under 8 1/2 is more likely to cost you more like -120 or -130. because the line moved to 8. you will have to pay for that under 8 1/2. more likely to lose 20 or 30 bucks. if the total is not 8. you have to hit at least 1 in 5. to maybe break even. it's more likely you can get over 8 1/2 and under 8 the other way. that line move makes it possible to bet the over 8 1/2 for around +125 or +130 at betmaker while maybe paying even money or -105 for the under 8 somewhere else. so now the 8 runs cost you that $100. if not 8 you win around 15 or 20. either way it is just not worth the risk. you want the lines to be the same and your profit assured. no risk. always been possible with other exchanges but because the line never changes at betmaker they are mostly useless. there is the very seldom exception. the time it takes to navigate thru betmaker makes it just not worth it to spend that much time chasing maybe possible once in a while short lived not much offered on it anyways lines. we need a new exchange. betmaker is mostly useless except for just straight bets. less juice there.

[todd73nj]

1. at least others have live betting.
2. you have to be willing to lose money if you don't get that push to make a buck on the total or the week long old spread line(nfl).
3. then it sucks at betfair too. 3 or 4 clicks instead of 1 or 2 for everythnig.
4. yes, i would like to have easier navigation. every other site that i play at is easier.
5. slower than most on every sport. and i don't bet my limits. and if the game gets over after 10 or 11 it will be graded the next day,late in the morning.
6. fees are fees. what does that mean. not everyone charges fees for withdrawals. never mind that they charge for deposits too. and don't cover any fees even on deposits.
7. did not complain about the 2%.

todd you are just satisfied with everything they do and have been from the begining. i'm not. they should be better. listen to customers. at least fix something. they suck. because how good they could be. it's an exchange. run by idiots. that people in the US are forced to use for now,because they are the only exchange. when another exchange opens this place will be history. i have never seen anyone stick up for a sportsbook like todd does for this place. since day 1. when matchboojk left.

1) Live betting is USELESS with absolutely no trades (See matchbook for the last 18 months)
2) Then you shouldnt be gambling if you dont understand this. 7/7.5 and 3/3.5 will be great in the NFL and NCAA!
3&4) Navigation is meaningless to me if I can make money.
5) NBA, NCAA, MLB have all been graded within at most an hour for me - Im not sure why I would need it any faster.
6&7) 5 dimes, A rated book by the SBR, charges me for Withdrawals. Betmaker, Owned by Bookmaker (A rated), has every right to charge. Most of the "free books" to withdraw from either pull out of the USA, or disappear, and are B,C,D rated. For someone who seems so concerned about when his bet is going to pay out - wouldnt you be just as concerned about making sure your money doesnt disappear? Please feel free to list the FREE books - along with SBR rating.

I have complained about them not listening and not fixing things throughout the thread - go back and read about my disappointment. But the issues you bring up are really not all that important to me. I have money management skills, I prefer to pay a little more to ensure safety of my money. And Navigation - get use to it - millions at Betfair have.

[todd73nj]

4 o'clock game-finally graded--that makes this game either an obscure event or that extra 3 hours is quick enough for todd. great.

Thats strange the two baseball games I bet today were graded about 30 mins after completion - Both were day games.


Once again. Money management and it shouldnt matter. And if you are all in over the course of a day - you will be a net loser in the long run - so maybe they are doing you a favor.

[todd73nj]

you will never get odds that good at betmaker and another book if it moves from 8 1/2 to 8. over 8 is likely to cost much more than -105. when you have the advantage of over 8 under 8 1/2 it will cost more like -115 or -120 for the over 8 somewhere else and the under 8 1/2 is more likely to cost you more like -120 or -130. because the line moved to 8. you will have to pay for that under 8 1/2. more likely to lose 20 or 30 bucks. if the total is not 8. you have to hit at least 1 in 5. to maybe break even. it's more likely you can get over 8 1/2 and under 8 the other way. that line move makes it possible to bet the over 8 1/2 for around +125 or +130 at betmaker while maybe paying even money or -105 for the under 8 somewhere else. so now the 8 runs cost you that $100. if not 8 you win around 15 or 20. either way it is just not worth the risk. you want the lines to be the same and your profit assured. no risk. always been possible with other exchanges but because the line never changes at betmaker they are mostly useless. there is the very seldom exception. the time it takes to navigate thru betmaker makes it just not worth it to spend that much time chasing maybe possible once in a while short lived not much offered on it anyways lines. we need a new exchange. betmaker is mostly useless except for just straight bets. less juice there.

They are out there a few times a week. The fact that you didnt even understand how a few posts back - but now you say the odds arent good enough, blah, blah, shows you wouldnt even know!

I have a sports arbitrage program on my website that locates opportunities like this every single day, multiple times per day across about 10 different books. It finds 2 way arbs, 3 way arbs, magic # arbs (which is what I call these). Not only do they exist between exchange and book - but they exist between book and book.

Betmaker pays, backed by an A rated book, and has some extremely profitable opportunities.

[relaaxx]

Thats strange the two baseball games I bet today were graded about 30 mins after completion - Both were day games.


Once again. Money management and it shouldnt matter. And if you are all in over the course of a day - you will be a net loser in the long run - so maybe they are doing you a favor.

betmaker is a strange sportsbook in many ways. and if you had a bet on st louis-cubs you would have had to wait also. and i am not all in. never said i need the money for some other bet. it's just like everything else at betmaker - it's aggrevating that they are so stupid about what customers want and how to make money. there is nothing they do right except lower juice on straight wagers, what a waste for an exchange. there is no defence for the amount of time that went by without even minor changes. they give new meaning to incompentency. stop defending these idiots. maybe if people stop playing there they will make some of the changes that are needed. we know that more and more came in over the last many months and they did nothing. nothing. not 1 single complaint was addressed. like to mention that i made a living and i'm living on the money i made because of books like matchbook and before that pinnacle. i would have had to have a real jiob if i had to depend on betmaker the last 10 years.

[todd73nj]

Exactly as you have stated. A win on Under 8.5 and a push on Over 8.0. He says it's hit exactly 8, twice this week. Any total other than 8 and you lose only a little juice. You would never play for a push and a loss (such as Under 8.0 and Over 8.5). It's so much more valuable for in-play wagering because you can lock in a profit or loss before the game ends.

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Can do some ingame with 5dimes in the early innings of the baseball games they put live.

As far as the losing a little juice - in some cases you lose no juice, and in some cases you win a few bucks. But when you hit one total on the #, home run.

Today, Cinn/Pitt, Sea/TB right on the #
Yesterday, Stl/Chc, NY/Minn, LA/Col, Fla/Sd
Thurs, Tor/Oak
Wed Stl/Pitt, NY/KC

All those games right on the # - odds makers are pretty good setting those lines. Only 1 of them had the "Stale" line opportunity with a .5 and a .0. And there were two others that had the stale line opportunity that werent on the #. But 1 for 3 is very profitable.

[todd73nj]

betmaker is a strange sportsbook in many ways. and if you had a bet on st louis-cubs you would have had to wait also. and i am not all in. never said i need the money for some other bet. it's just like everything else at betmaker - it's aggrevating that they are so stupid about what customers want and how to make money. there is nothing they do right except lower juice on straight wagers, what a waste for an exchange. there is no defence for the amount of time that went by without even minor changes. they give new meaning to incompentency. stop defending these idiots. maybe if people stop playing there they will make some of the changes that are needed. we know that more and more came in over the last many months and they did nothing. nothing. not 1 single complaint was addressed. like to mention that i made a living and i'm living on the money i made because of books like matchbook and before that pinnacle. i would have had to have a real jiob if i had to depend on betmaker the last 10 years.

Sure there is a defense - they have our money - they dont have to do ANYTHING - just pay us and grade bets fairly. Thats the only thing I feel I am absolutely entitled too. Not sure anyone could say they are entitled to more.

If I had $1 for everyone on this forum who has made a living off of whatever book... I wouldnt need a job!

[relaaxx]

Can do some ingame with 5dimes in the early innings of the baseball games they put live.

As far as the losing a little juice - in some cases you lose no juice, and in some cases you win a few bucks. But when you hit one total on the #, home run.

Today, Cinn/Pitt, Sea/TB right on the #
Yesterday, Stl/Chc, NY/Minn, LA/Col, Fla/Sd
Thurs, Tor/Oak
Wed Stl/Pitt, NY/KC

All those games right on the # - odds makers are pretty good setting those lines. Only 1 of them had the "Stale" line opportunity with a .5 and a .0. And there were two others that had the stale line opportunity that werent on the #. But 1 for 3 is very profitable.

do not believe this at all. chasing these lines at the price you will have to pay will make you a loser. how many games were played the last 4 days. most of the time if you have over 8 under 8 1/2 it will cost you plenty in extra juice. betmaker's dollar amount and the amount offered is never good enough to do this long term. it's more likely you have a better chance of making money in the long run if you have over 8 1/2 and under 8 and hope it's not exactly 8 and you collect the extra juice you got paid. but either way is not a good bet. todd makes no sense on this point with totals. anyone else ever find anything they thought was worth the juice for this type of total bet. going to bed. had enough of todd betmaker for 1 day.

[unclebuzz1]

do not believe this at all. chasing these lines at the price you will have to pay will make you a loser. how many games were played the last 4 days. most of the time if you have over 8 under 8 1/2 it will cost you plenty in extra juice. betmaker's dollar amount and the amount offered is never good enough to do this long term. it's more likely you have a better chance of making money in the long run if you have over 8 1/2 and under 8 and hope it's not exactly 8 and you collect the extra juice you got paid. but either way is not a good bet. todd makes no sense on this point with totals. anyone else ever find anything they thought was worth the juice for this type of total bet. going to bed. had enough of todd betmaker for 1 day.

Absolutely!!! At Matchbook (years ago) you could do this with their lines. The biggest benefit was in the NFL when the line was around 3 (2.5-3.5). A key number in the NFL is 3. Not only will it hit in regulation but it's extremely likely to hit in OT. You could easily get (+3.5 and -3) or (+3 and -2.5) where the combination payed 6 to 1 odds on exactly 3 but on occasion you could get much higher. In preseason when the line was +1, you could play both sides (Fav ML) and (Und +1). Where they normally go for a tie late in the game during the regular season, they try the 2-point conversion in preseason to win or lose and avoid OT. If the Fav won by 1, it might pay 20 to 1 or higher.

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[relaaxx]

Absolutely!!! At Matchbook (years ago) you could do this with their lines. The biggest benefit was in the NFL when the line was around 3 (2.5-3.5). A key number in the NFL is 3. Not only will it hit in regulation but it's extremely likely to hit in OT. You could easily get (+3.5 and -3) or (+3 and -2.5) where the combination payed 6 to 1 odds on exactly 3 but on occasion you could get much higher. In preseason when the line was +1, you could play both sides (Fav ML) and (Und +1). Where they normally go for a tie late in the game during the regular season, they try the 2-point conversion in preseason to win or lose and avoid OT. If the Fav won by 1, it might pay 20 to 1 or higher.

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yep. of course. you could do it because matchbook would leave all the diferent lines out, from the 1st original line to what the line was when the game went off . but at betmaker they have the original line that's it. my point is you could make plenty of bets like this at matchbook but almost none will work for you at betmaker.

[todd73nj]

do not believe this at all. chasing these lines at the price you will have to pay will make you a loser. how many games were played the last 4 days. most of the time if you have over 8 under 8 1/2 it will cost you plenty in extra juice. betmaker's dollar amount and the amount offered is never good enough to do this long term. it's more likely you have a better chance of making money in the long run if you have over 8 1/2 and under 8 and hope it's not exactly 8 and you collect the extra juice you got paid. but either way is not a good bet. todd makes no sense on this point with totals. anyone else ever find anything they thought was worth the juice for this type of total bet. going to bed. had enough of todd betmaker for 1 day.

I have a program that does all the work for me. A friend of mine wrote it, its hosted on my website. And there is tons of money to be made. Betmakers lines are plenty good to do this with. Matchbook was great for it 2 years ago. But since then - they have been awful. There is more money to be made now using Betmaker than there has been from MB in the last 2 years. Now if you have Betfair, there is even more money to be made.

But think what you want. In order for there to be opportunities.. there need to be people who dont understand and dont know how to do the computations.

Think about baseball for a moment. Think about the deviation of runs scored. I dont have exact figures but could easily get them - but prob 75% of games have 6-10 runs scored. So think about your odds of hitting directly on the # you need. Its a great money making opportunity. Only hockey is better when you can find a 5 & 5.5. But you will be lucky to find 3 of those per week.

[todd73nj]

yep. of course. you could do it because matchbook would leave all the diferent lines out, from the 1st original line to what the line was when the game went off . but at betmaker they have the original line that's it. my point is you could make plenty of bets like this at matchbook but almost none will work for you at betmaker.

LOL. When MB added alternate lines. They orignial lines posted were dead. Unplayed. No liquidity. Why? Because they were well hidden - and you had to click into one specific game to find them (Now that was another navigation nightmare, but of course that wont be mentioned). You wouldnt see them in the game list.

[todd73nj]

Absolutely!!! At Matchbook (years ago) you could do this with their lines. The biggest benefit was in the NFL when the line was around 3 (2.5-3.5). A key number in the NFL is 3. Not only will it hit in regulation but it's extremely likely to hit in OT. You could easily get (+3.5 and -3) or (+3 and -2.5) where the combination payed 6 to 1 odds on exactly 3 but on occasion you could get much higher. In preseason when the line was +1, you could play both sides (Fav ML) and (Und +1). Where they normally go for a tie late in the game during the regular season, they try the 2-point conversion in preseason to win or lose and avoid OT. If the Fav won by 1, it might pay 20 to 1 or higher.

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Glad to see you understand how it works. So you will also understand how baseball is probably the best sport to win opportunities like this because of the bell curve of the runs scored per game. Soccer and Hockey probably have the most games end within .5 of the set totals - but because the totals are so low its very difficult to find books/exchanges that more the lines by the .5 - they move the vig significantly instead.

But baseball has a ton of games right on the #. Every night.

Just need to do some homework, or make a program to do it for you.

[tofuman]

is it just me or is betmaker all fvked up today? on MLB and NFL it separates all the lines, and if you try to bet on something it says invalid bet data

[yellowman]

Fine here

[bobbywaves]

Glad to see you understand how it works. So you will also understand how baseball is probably the best sport to win opportunities like this because of the bell curve of the runs scored per game. Soccer and Hockey probably have the most games end within .5 of the set totals - but because the totals are so low its very difficult to find books/exchanges that more the lines by the .5 - they move the vig significantly instead. But baseball has a ton of games right on the #. Every night. Just need to do some homework, or make a program to do it for you.

Currently I'm only making free $$$ on Betmaker with Nascar arbs & scalping friends bets with better lines. I would like to expand, but I'm not a computer programmer & don't have a lot of time to study lines for opportunities. This program that's hosted on your website, can anyone check it out or you charge for access?

[unclebuzz1]

LOL. When MB added alternate lines. They orignial lines posted were dead. Unplayed. No liquidity. Why? Because they were well hidden - and you had to click into one specific game to find them (Now that was another navigation nightmare, but of course that wont be mentioned). You wouldnt see them in the game list.

You may be talking about how MB is now and has been the last 2 years but prior to that, both original and alternate lines had plenty of liquidity. It was when the WSEX market-makers pulled out (for live wagering) that MB went down hill.

This IS what most of us are complaining about as being a navigation nightmare at Betmaker.

Betmaker lists run lines for all games with 1 click, ml for all games with a 2nd click and totals for all games with a 3rd click to find information on any single game. This may be the way you want the information displayed.

Most/All of the rest of us don't want it displayed that way. We want all the information (run line/ml/total/alternate lines) for any single game displayed together with 1 click (or 2 clicks to see alternate lines).

And in addition, it showed all games at once in smaller groups such as "All NL games" or "All AL games".

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[unclebuzz1]

5 dimes, A rated book by the SBR, charges me for Withdrawals.

5D pays the 1st $40 for withdrawals taken on Monday mornings ...

Redemption requests processed on Mondays between 9:00 AM EST and 1:00 PM EST may not incur a transaction fee only if the method is eligible for it. Payment methods with a fee of $40 or less will get processed free of charge if no payouts have been sent in the previous 30 days and if sent on a Monday morning. You are allowed one free withdrawal every 30 days only.

[relaaxx]

todd your statements are getting more and more ridiculous. betmaker still sucks for everything except straight wagers on money lines on any sport. that's it. the amount of time you spend on here since the day matchbook left makes me assume you work for betmaker. you stand by all there faults and still after all these months with no changes to the problems mentioned by the posters here, you still spout the same tune. if you know what your doing you can make money at betmaker. what you can make is not worth the time it takes. i've been doing this a long time, for an exchange they suck. without changes they will always suck. here is the proof. the 1st chance anyone from the US gets to play at another exchange betmaker will fold up. bookmaker will be fine with that. they could care less.

[unclebuzz1]

todd your statements are getting more and more ridiculous. betmaker still sucks for everything except straight wagers on money lines on any sport. that's it. the amount of time you spend on here since the day matchbook left makes me assume you work for betmaker. you stand by all there faults and still after all these months with no changes to the problems mentioned by the posters here, you still spout the same tune. if you know what your doing you can make money at betmaker. what you can make is not worth the time it takes. i've been doing this a long time, for an exchange they suck. without changes they will always suck. here is the proof. the 1st chance anyone from the US gets to play at another exchange betmaker will fold up. bookmaker will be fine with that. they could care less.

Amen!!!

[tofuman]

great, now the latest version of Chrome, IE, and Firefox do not work with betmaker

[ArunSh]

Well I got the checks for most of my withdrawal today (they are sending it in two shipments) so that's a very good sign. And I got it very quickly after they decided to do it so that's also a good sign.

Maybe can't draw any firm conclusion, but I tend to think this was probably just a glitch that they couldn't control so things are looking good as of now!

[tofuman]

okay the site is working fine in IE9, doesn't work fine in Chrome or Firefox 6.0.

[bobbywaves]

I just requested a $3,000 payout today via check by courier, paid the excessive $50 fee. Hope the check arrives in a reasonable amount of time. Then I'll redeposit into DSI with my 40% reload offer & get back way more than the $50 fee. I try not to withdraw from DSI, as you have to wait 30 days to be bonus eligible after a payout. After completeing the DSI bonus rollover, I'll transfer into Betmaker for another withdrawal & continue to cycle funds this way.