Betmaker Review - In progress

[relaaxx]

LOL. I posted the words you said. But I cant understand them right? You made a living and are living on the money you made. You havent had a real job in 10 years - if any at all? Whats so hard to understand.

And of course you want to shift the focus to Betmaker - because you are a fraud. A bragger on an internet forum full of gamblers. Goto any thread... you guys are a dime a dozen on here.

you have never posted the exact words. you never posted anything close to what i actually said. show me where i said i have not had a real job in 10 years. you can't. show me where i said anything in any of your posts in any of my posts,without exaggeration. you can't. you don't want to stop this fine. people can read. they can see you have not showed 1 of my posts to back up any 1 of your posts. like i have been saying for weeks you are just an ass. did you look up any of the big words. you know with more than 3 letters. it is a waste of time arguing with a fool, but i have plenty of time.

[unclebuzz1]

Just curious if anyone plays the head-to-head horse matchups there on a regular basis? There was decent liquidity and I used to play every Saturday, but I haven't seen them in about 3 weeks. Does anyone know what's going on with those offerings?

Horse matchups? Anyone?

Sorry Sam. I don't think anyone does.

[bobbywaves]

Why does Betmaker have the Mets/Cards game closed during a rain delay? Not necessary, game hasn't started & they are losing business. Mets game is open at all sportsbooks......exchanges have some pathetic rules compared to sportsbooks.

[unclebuzz1]

Why does Betmaker have the Mets/Cards game closed during a rain delay? Not necessary, game hasn't started & they are losing business. Mets game is open at all sportsbooks......exchanges have some pathetic rules compared to sportsbooks.

A) They don't know or care that it's raining
B) They wouldn't know when it stopped raining (to close the market)
C) They don't care that they're losing business

Pick one or wait for Todd to answer. He'll be able to give a better answer.

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[tofuman]

true. i'm surprised they even have people manning their phones. lol

[todd73nj]

Why does Betmaker have the Mets/Cards game closed during a rain delay? Not necessary, game hasn't started & they are losing business. Mets game is open at all sportsbooks......exchanges have some pathetic rules compared to sportsbooks.

A) They don't know or care that it's raining
B) They wouldn't know when it stopped raining (to close the market)
C) They don't care that they're losing business

Pick one or wait for Todd to answer. He'll be able to give a better answer.

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Well thats pretty accurate in some ways.. But as far as I know - most sports books dont leave a game open if its delayed by rain. Unless the delay is clearly advertised with a new start time. Because how do you know the start time if there isnt a direct feed to it?

And honestly - it would hardly be worth so closely monitoring it - and for the drama it could cause by late bets being entered because the new start time - just to get a few extra dollars. I cant say in my 20 years of sports gambling - they I ever said hey.. the game is a delayed start because of rain - I want to bet it.

When a game is scheduled to start at 7:05 on 5 dimes - thats when they take it down.. delay or not. Thats been my experience with

[Hareeba!]

you have never posted the exact words. you never posted anything close to what i actually said. show me where i said i have not had a real job in 10 years. you can't. show me where i said anything in any of your posts in any of my posts,without exaggeration. you can't. you don't want to stop this fine. people can read. they can see you have not showed 1 of my posts to back up any 1 of your posts. like i have been saying for weeks you are just an ass. did you look up any of the big words. you know with more than 3 letters. it is a waste of time arguing with a fool, but i have plenty of time.

Precisely the same experience I've had with this jerk. He's a master of the art.

[Legions36]

So when did betmaker change the feature of having both teams for each game right next to each other? i don't know haven't been using them. I like it and it looks similar to match and from what some of u have been posting seems liquidity has picked up, glad they are realizing they need to step up. Now its time for me to post up there some $.

[bobbywaves]

Mets/Cards rain delay was open for betting at Bookmaker & DSI, so I mistakenly assumed it would be open at Betmaker & all other sportsbooks.

[unclebuzz1]

Mets/Cards rain delay was open for betting at Bookmaker & DSI, so I mistakenly assumed it would be open at Betmaker & all other sportsbooks.

Most, if not all sportsbooks close the markets at the originally scheduled time. Later, if/when they learn of a rain delay, the larger books may reopen the market. It depends on the size of the book. It's not specific to exchanges. I used to call Matchbook occasionally and they would reopen a market. I just don't think Betmaker has the staff to offer this at this point. GL

[todd73nj]

Precisely the same experience I've had with this jerk. He's a master of the art.

You post an EXACT quote and they still cry.

Most, if not all sportsbooks close the markets at the originally scheduled time. Later, if/when they learn of a rain delay, the larger books may reopen the market. It depends on the size of the book. It's not specific to exchanges. I used to call Matchbook occasionally and they would reopen a market. I just don't think Betmaker has the staff to offer this at this point. GL

Thats pretty much my experience too. I wouldnt even know if a game I bet was in a delay.. bec once I bet them.. Unless Im watching that specific game.. I dont check till the final score.

[relaaxx]

You post an EXACT quote and they still cry.

you didn't mention the EXACT quote. or who stated it. why? because you are a lying ass. and i can prove it. what is the EXACT quote you are talking about,who said it, and the problem you had with it. i'm sure you will answer this question , with something totally different and irrelivant to the queston. like you always do. but maybe if you try and concentrate, you can figure out the meaning of these words===== the EXACT quote - who said it - and why you have a problem with the statement.

[unclebuzz1]

you didn't mention the EXACT quote. or who stated it. why? because you are a lying ass. and i can prove it. what is the EXACT quote you are talking about,who said it, and the problem you had with it. i'm sure you will answer this question , with something totally different and irrelivant to the queston. like you always do. but maybe if you try and concentrate, you can figure out the meaning of these words===== the EXACT quote - who said it - and why you have a problem with the statement.

Sorry, relaaxx, but before todd comes back and gloats, it was a direct quote from you in post #681, which was written on 08-21-11, which means this pissing contest has been going on for over a month now. Can't you both let it go? We don't need to disect and analyze every word that somebody writes. relaaxx, you're going to have to be the bigger man/woman and walk away because we all agree that todd is an ass. that todd will never back down from defending Betmaker.


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[maxvalue1]

just looked at bemaker NFL...looks like some big money out there...I have a question??
If I like a game at -105..what is the real price that I amm laying (w/commissions)?

[relaaxx]

betmaker is a strange sportsbook in many ways. and if you had a bet on st louis-cubs you would have had to wait also. and i am not all in. never said i need the money for some other bet. it's just like everything else at betmaker - it's aggrevating that they are so stupid about what customers want and how to make money. there is nothing they do right except lower juice on straight wagers, what a waste for an exchange. there is no defence for the amount of time that went by without even minor changes. they give new meaning to incompentency. stop defending these idiots. maybe if people stop playing there they will make some of the changes that are needed. we know that more and more came in over the last many months and they did nothing. nothing. not 1 single complaint was addressed. like to mention that i made a living and i'm living on the money i made because of books like matchbook and before that pinnacle. i would have had to have a real jiob if i had to depend on betmaker the last 10 years.

going to try to clear this up. also admitting the way i worded this was not clear enough. i am living on the money i made from books like matchbook and pinnacle and if it was betmaker i was playing at instead i would not have been able to make the same amount of money to even consider quiting my job. did not mean i did not have a job for 10 years. the 10 years is about how long i have been doing this, over 10 years. the money from betting was the reason i was able to make the decision to leave work(with a pension) years earlier than it would have been possible without the money from sportsbooks. if you are old enough to remember - they were giving it away, you did not need a job, but i wanted the security that comes with a good job . but it is not my only source of money now either( the money i made before, i really play samll now). i have not worked in a little over 5 years. been betting online over 10. i was working and betting for many years. worked in the same place over 27 years. i did not say i have not worked in ten years. never said i owned expensive cars or my lifesytle is like the rich and famous. plenty of posters here that know how easy it was. when neteller was availible. it was unbelievable the money you could move around. todd is still an ass. i was at fault more than i thought. that much i will admit.

[todd73nj]

Sorry, relaaxx, but before todd comes back and gloats, it was a direct quote from you in post #681, which was written on 08-21-11, which means this pissing contest has been going on for over a month now. Can't you both let it go? We don't need to disect and analyze every word that somebody writes. relaaxx, you're going to have to be the bigger man/woman and walk away because we all agree that todd is an ass. that todd will never back down from defending Betmaker. .

How does pointing some buffoon bragging that he is a huge winner - but cant back any of it up -constitute defending Betmaker??

going to try to clear this up. also admitting the way i worded this was not clear enough. i am living on the money i made from books like matchbook and pinnacle and if it was betmaker i was playing at instead i would not have been able to make the same amount of money to even consider quiting my job. did not mean i did not have a job for 10 years. the 10 years is about how long i have been doing this, over 10 years. the money from betting was the reason i was able to make the decision to leave work(with a pension) years earlier than it would have been possible without the money from sportsbooks. if you are old enough to remember - they were giving it away, you did not need a job, but i wanted the security that comes with a good job . but it is not my only source of money now either( the money i made before, i really play samll now). i have not worked in a little over 5 years. been betting online over 10. i was working and betting for many years. worked in the same place over 27 years. i did not say i have not worked in ten years. never said i owned expensive cars or my lifesytle is like the rich and famous. plenty of posters here that know how easy it was. when neteller was availible. it was unbelievable the money you could move around. todd is still an ass. i was at fault more than i thought. that much i will admit.

And if you were really making money - why would you need to brag about it on a gambling forum?

Do you hear me talking about what kind of car I drive? Or how much money I make?

There has never been a time in this industry where money was given away. Sure you could move money more easily. But before Tradesports closed Matchbook was DEAD. NOTHING! You were not making money off a site that had no bids. I was on MB before I started Tradesports - and there was no volume. MB took off when Tradesports closed.

Your claims can never be proven - so why not stop bragging about them? No one cares how much you SAY you made.

[relaaxx]

How does pointing some buffoon bragging that he is a huge winner - but cant back any of it up -constitute defending Betmaker??




And if you were really making money - why would you need to brag about it on a gambling forum?

Do you hear me talking about what kind of car I drive? Or how much money I make?

There has never been a time in this industry where money was given away. Sure you could move money more easily. But before Tradesports closed Matchbook was DEAD. NOTHING! You were not making money off a site that had no bids. I was on MB before I started Tradesports - and there was no volume. MB took off when Tradesports closed.

Your claims can never be proven - so why not stop bragging about them? No one cares how much you SAY you made.

not bragging - was trying telling you how long i played and that it was easy making money long ago,before you played online , or you would know what i mean - do you hear me talk about a stupid car i have or had - did i mention any amount of dollars i made - you just keep making this stuff up. and i made plenty of money at matchbook before they left the US, but not so great at the end. but not as much as when i could play at pinnacle. but it was neteller that made it easy, when they both left(pinnacle and neteller) it changed everything.. i do not have to prove anything. and can't, what do you want my tax forms and i am done answering anything you write except when i disagree about betmaker. i've been wasting my time at your level to long. time to deal with other issues and with the other more intelligent life forms here. todd for the last time -- you are just an ass.

[unclebuzz1]

Sorry, relaaxx, but before todd comes back and gloats, it was a direct quote from you in post #681, which was written on 08-21-11, which means this pissing contest has been going on for over a month now. Can't you both let it go? We don't need to disect and analyze every word that somebody writes. relaaxx, you're going to have to be the bigger man/woman and walk away because we all agree that todd is an ass. that todd will never back down from defending Betmaker.

How does pointing some buffoon bragging that he is a huge winner - but cant back any of it up -constitute defending Betmaker??

A better question is ... "How does your constant negative personal attack on "some buffoon" aid in promoting Betmaker?" (My apologies to you, relaaxx. It's not my opinion.). Everyone (no, I can't prove it), everyone exaggerates to make themselves look better.

Three-quarters (again, something that I can't prove), three-quarters of what you post includes a quote from a previous post that you feel obligated to make comment on and give your opinion of. It's usually a long winded explanation as to why we should have the same opinion that you do. We don't need to hear your opinion of our opinions. We don't want to hear your opinion of our opinions (unless you have something positive to say). You do realize that we are allowed to have our own opinions (without your approval), don't you?

In my opinion (and perhaps my opinion only) you have done more to turn people away from Betmaker (with your constant negativity) than you have in convincing them to join Betmaker!

If you still feel that you must disect and analyze my words, then you should understand that I deliberately went out of my way as to avoid saying ... "that todd is an immature snot-nosed child that has to have the final say on each and every post that anyone writes".

At this point, I believe that I've said all that I have to say on this subject. Go ahead and have your "final say", then let's drop the subject. We have our differences in opinions but now I'm putting my hand out to shake in friendship . Will you do the same?

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[relaaxx]

A better question is ... "How does your constant negative personal attack on "some buffoon" aid in promoting Betmaker?" (My apologies to you, relaaxx. It's not my opinion.). Everyone (no, I can't prove it), everyone exaggerates to make themselves look better.

Three-quarters (again, something that I can't prove), three-quarters of what you post includes a quote from a previous post that you feel obligated to make comment on and give your opinion of. It's usually a long winded explanation as to why we should have the same opinion that you do. We don't need to hear your opinion of our opinions. We don't want to hear your opinion of our opinions (unless you have something positive to say). You do realize that we are allowed to have our own opinions (without your approval), don't you?

In my opinion (and perhaps my opinion only) you have done more to turn people away from Betmaker (with your constant negativity) than you have in convincing them to join Betmaker!

If you still feel that you must disect and analyze my words, then you should understand that I deliberately went out of my way as to avoid saying ... "that todd is an immature snot-nosed child that has to have the final say on each and every post that anyone writes".

At this point, I believe that I've said all that I have to say on this subject. Go ahead and have your "final say", then let's drop the subject. We have our differences in opinions but now I'm putting my hand out to shake in friendship . Will you do the same?

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you certainly are a better man than i am. your attitude will you you well over the years. good luck beating books.

[tofuman]

just looked at bemaker NFL...looks like some big money out there...I have a question??
If I like a game at -105..what is the real price that I amm laying (w/commissions)?

about -107

[todd73nj]

not bragging - was trying telling you how long i played and that it was easy making money long ago,before you played online , or you would know what i mean - do you hear me talk about a stupid car i have or had - did i mention any amount of dollars i made - you just keep making this stuff up. and i made plenty of money at matchbook before they left the US, but not so great at the end. but not as much as when i could play at pinnacle. but it was neteller that made it easy, when they both left(pinnacle and neteller) it changed everything.. i do not have to prove anything. and can't, what do you want my tax forms and i am done answering anything you write except when i disagree about betmaker. i've been wasting my time at your level to long. time to deal with other issues and with the other more intelligent life forms here. todd for the last time -- you are just an ass.

A better question is ... "How does your constant negative personal attack on "some buffoon" aid in promoting Betmaker?" (My apologies to you, relaaxx. It's not my opinion.). Everyone (no, I can't prove it), everyone exaggerates to make themselves look better.

Three-quarters (again, something that I can't prove), three-quarters of what you post includes a quote from a previous post that you feel obligated to make comment on and give your opinion of. It's usually a long winded explanation as to why we should have the same opinion that you do. We don't need to hear your opinion of our opinions. We don't want to hear your opinion of our opinions (unless you have something positive to say). You do realize that we are allowed to have our own opinions (without your approval), don't you?

In my opinion (and perhaps my opinion only) you have done more to turn people away from Betmaker (with your constant negativity) than you have in convincing them to join Betmaker!

If you still feel that you must disect and analyze my words, then you should understand that I deliberately went out of my way as to avoid saying ... "that todd is an immature snot-nosed child that has to have the final say on each and every post that anyone writes".

At this point, I believe that I've said all that I have to say on this subject. Go ahead and have your "final say", then let's drop the subject. We have our differences in opinions but now I'm putting my hand out to shake in friendship . Will you do the same?

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If a person didnt bring his personal skill into a discussion of a Book - none of this would happen. All you need to do is scroll back. He offers up his life style positions, but then wont back them up.

Of course it doesnt promote Betmaker - but when a guy who claims he lived off his money for 10 years says YOU CANT make money with a line that is off by a .5 point, or a point - how can you not address that?

And if you cant see how money is made like that - and do a little research to see how many times it does happen - well then you shouldnt be gambling - let alone claiming how good you are.

[todd73nj]

A better question is ... "How does your constant negative personal attack on "some buffoon" aid in promoting Betmaker?" (My apologies to you, relaaxx. It's not my opinion.). Everyone (no, I can't prove it), everyone exaggerates to make themselves look better.

Three-quarters (again, something that I can't prove), three-quarters of what you post includes a quote from a previous post that you feel obligated to make comment on and give your opinion of. It's usually a long winded explanation as to why we should have the same opinion that you do. We don't need to hear your opinion of our opinions. We don't want to hear your opinion of our opinions (unless you have something positive to say). You do realize that we are allowed to have our own opinions (without your approval), don't you?

In my opinion (and perhaps my opinion only) you have done more to turn people away from Betmaker (with your constant negativity) than you have in convincing them to join Betmaker!

If you still feel that you must disect and analyze my words, then you should understand that I deliberately went out of my way as to avoid saying ... "that todd is an immature snot-nosed child that has to have the final say on each and every post that anyone writes".

At this point, I believe that I've said all that I have to say on this subject. Go ahead and have your "final say", then let's drop the subject. We have our differences in opinions but now I'm putting my hand out to shake in friendship . Will you do the same?

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I honestly dont care what anyone thinks of me. Ive gone out of my way to help many people on this thread.

When a user and we know who Im talking about claims that he has lived off gambling for 10 years but complains about:

Betmaker sucks because the lines are stale
Betmaker sucks because they didnt close out my Nascar matchup in under an hour - and he needs the money to bet the night game
Betmaker sucks because I have to pay $50 to get my money

And then claims to be some gambling guru who needs no job.

I ask you this, Unclebuzz:

1) When I attempted to show him how to make money off of a stale line (and fwiw - Betmaker never moves a line to an even number which makes complete sense to me) - he says Im wrong, my program doesnt exist, etc etc. I offered EVERYONE on here free use of it. You seem to be a much more polished user than relaxxx - So maybe you can answer this question - or at least look back at the prior nights games and see. How many baseball games a night when there is a full slate end up right on or within .5 of the total?? Do you see an opportunity to make money there? If Betmaker uses 8, and 5dimes uses 8.5 and there is only a few dollars at risk? I hope you do.

2) If you are a big time gambler - and you make no claims you are anything - would you even be complaining about a matchup in Nascar taking to long to close out? No - because you have a money management plan. Youd never be all in. So by complaining about not having money to bet the next would make no sense. How ever if you are the casual gambler - with $200 in your account - you would probably want it paid out ASAP so you could make the next bed right? And in that case I could understand an issue with comaplaining about a long close out.

3)Did you have any money at Bet Ed??? Even if you didnt - you must understand fund safety. I have withdrawn thousands from Betmaker. Many many different times. Have it within days. No waiting. Not once. Now - if you were making enough money to live on - You must be carrying some balances at these books. Wouldnt that be a HUGE qualification - the highest perceived degree of safety? Matchbook took MONTHS to pay me. Betmaker takes 3 days to get me the same amounts. If I were making enough gambling to pay for my lifestyle. $50 in WD fees 2x a month would not phase me as long as I new my principle was safe. But agian - if I were a small player - $50 would have me complaining - safe or not.

So when you look at those three complaints - and then the claims of being so good. How do you not call someone out? If he admitted he was small time player - I would agree with some of his issues. But when you boast - and then make statements that contradict your boasting bashing a book - doesnt make any sense at all.

[wrongturn]

Let's back to the real topics. To calculate real price after 2% commission, you do divided by 0.98 if it is fav (negative price), or multiply by 0.98 for dog (positive price). For example: For -105, the real price is -105/0.98 = -107.14; For +105, the real price is +105*0.98=+102.9.

[unclebuzz1]

I honestly dont care what anyone thinks of me. Ive gone out of my way to help many people on this thread.

When a user and we know who Im talking about claims that he has lived off gambling for 10 years but complains about:

Betmaker sucks because the lines are stale
Betmaker sucks because they didnt close out my Nascar matchup in under an hour - and he needs the money to bet the night game
Betmaker sucks because I have to pay $50 to get my money

And then claims to be some gambling guru who needs no job.

I ask you this, Unclebuzz:

1) When I attempted to show him how to make money off of a stale line (and fwiw - Betmaker never moves a line to an even number which makes complete sense to me) - he says Im wrong, my program doesnt exist, etc etc. I offered EVERYONE on here free use of it. You seem to be a much more polished user than relaxxx - So maybe you can answer this question - or at least look back at the prior nights games and see. How many baseball games a night when there is a full slate end up right on or within .5 of the total?? Do you see an opportunity to make money there? If Betmaker uses 8, and 5dimes uses 8.5 and there is only a few dollars at risk? I hope you do.

2) If you are a big time gambler - and you make no claims you are anything - would you even be complaining about a matchup in Nascar taking to long to close out? No - because you have a money management plan. Youd never be all in. So by complaining about not having money to bet the next would make no sense. How ever if you are the casual gambler - with $200 in your account - you would probably want it paid out ASAP so you could make the next bed right? And in that case I could understand an issue with comaplaining about a long close out.

3)Did you have any money at Bet Ed??? Even if you didnt - you must understand fund safety. I have withdrawn thousands from Betmaker. Many many different times. Have it within days. No waiting. Not once. Now - if you were making enough money to live on - You must be carrying some balances at these books. Wouldnt that be a HUGE qualification - the highest perceived degree of safety? Matchbook took MONTHS to pay me. Betmaker takes 3 days to get me the same amounts. If I were making enough gambling to pay for my lifestyle. $50 in WD fees 2x a month would not phase me as long as I new my principle was safe. But agian - if I were a small player - $50 would have me complaining - safe or not.

So when you look at those three complaints - and then the claims of being so good. How do you not call someone out? If he admitted he was small time player - I would agree with some of his issues. But when you boast - and then make statements that contradict your boasting bashing a book - doesnt make any sense at all.

I'm very pleased with the tone of your post. It comes across as being very sincere and you're even asking for my opinion. It's as though we're two old friends discussing a common subject. Before I address your 3 points, I'd like to apologize for my characterization of you in my previous post. It was an attempt to get your attention and apparently it succeeded.

1) Yes, I agree with you 100%. In looking back at post #677, I gave him (IMO) an excellent explanation of how it works. At an exchange, under the right conditions, it's possible to bring the odds close enough to risk a small amount to win a large amount and make it payoff in the long run. Both of us tried to explain this to him. He didn't accept it. Let it be.

2) There are times when I go all-in and I need the previous bet graded so as to make the following bet. This occurs when my balance is so low that I go all-in, in a make or break effort, to avoid making a deposit. It happens regardless of how big a gambler you are.

3) Yes, I agree with you that safety is important. Your experience at Betmaker is similiar to my experience at Matchbook. I made many, many withdrawals at Matchbook, received payment in an acceptable amount of time and had no fear of safety.

Please allow me to share my pet peeve ... You constantly compare Betmaker today with Matchbook today. Matchbook is dead to US players. There's no need to compare them as they are today.

One final thing that I'd like to share with you is my own claim to fame ... I like to tell people that I made my living at Matchbook and my success at live wagering was what drove the market-makers away and eventually killed Matchbook. I'm not really big enough to accomplish this but please let me brag about it without asking for proof.

I hope what you take away from this post is that all gamblers don't come from the same background. Some have big bankrolls while others have small bankrolls. Some have 50 years experience, some are newbies, but most are somewhere in between those two extremes. Some like a particular feature at one book and some like a different feature at a different book. I'm suggesting that you don't need to belittle them because they try to make themselves look better (brag) or because what's important to you isn't so important to them.

GL ... UB ...

[jizay]

81k traded on the ps after 1 quarter. Very lively tonight!

[wrongturn]

now it is 120k

[todd73nj]

Let's back to the real topics. To calculate real price after 2% commission, you do divided by 0.98 if it is fav (negative price), or multiply by 0.98 for dog (positive price). For example: For -105, the real price is -105/0.98 = -107.14; For +105, the real price is +105*0.98=+102.9.

Would you like a calculator link??

[todd73nj]

I'm very pleased with the tone of your post. It comes across as being very sincere and you're even asking for my opinion. It's as though we're two old friends discussing a common subject. Before I address your 3 points, I'd like to apologize for my characterization of you in my previous post. It was an attempt to get your attention and apparently it succeeded.

1) Yes, I agree with you 100%. In looking back at post #677, I gave him (IMO) an excellent explanation of how it works. At an exchange, under the right conditions, it's possible to bring the odds close enough to risk a small amount to win a large amount and make it payoff in the long run. Both of us tried to explain this to him. He didn't accept it. Let it be.

2) There are times when I go all-in and I need the previous bet graded so as to make the following bet. This occurs when my balance is so low that I go all-in, in a make or break effort, to avoid making a deposit. It happens regardless of how big a gambler you are.

3) Yes, I agree with you that safety is important. Your experience at Betmaker is similiar to my experience at Matchbook. I made many, many withdrawals at Matchbook, received payment in an acceptable amount of time and had no fear of safety.

Please allow me to share my pet peeve ... You constantly compare Betmaker today with Matchbook today. Matchbook is dead to US players. There's no need to compare them as they are today.

One final thing that I'd like to share with you is my own claim to fame ... I like to tell people that I made my living at Matchbook and my success at live wagering was what drove the market-makers away and eventually killed Matchbook. I'm not really big enough to accomplish this but please let me brag about it without asking for proof.

I hope what you take away from this post is that all gamblers don't come from the same background. Some have big bankrolls while others have small bankrolls. Some have 50 years experience, some are newbies, but most are somewhere in between those two extremes. Some like a particular feature at one book and some like a different feature at a different book. I'm suggesting that you don't need to belittle them because they try to make themselves look better (brag) or because what's important to you isn't so important to them.

GL ... UB ...

But you see - you made excellent sense - he doesnt. He rips Betmaker for issues he is having - that should never be an issue for a player who has lived off winning for 10 years

1) He didnt understand that magic numbeR (as I call it) position. Which means he doesnt play them

2) You are spot on and agree with what I said - but in the message he talks about this he claims he wasnt all in and has money management skills. So why complain about a Nascar matchup not being graded.

3) The only difference is that when MB was paying us during our tenure there (And I never had a payout issue from them while I was playing) - they were taking my deposit to pay your withdrawal. Robbing Peter to pay paAnd that was proven at the end by their excuses. Not to mention it did take a while to get a check from MB. So maybe the same situation.


But when a gambler OPENLY talks about his skill - when no one is asking how much money he makes - he opens himself up. ie: Domer saying in another thread he has tons more money at risk than me from MB. Well I called him on it. Offered to send my report to someone and wager on it. What did he do? Admit he had all of $600 that he was calling tons more money that me.

Jizay knows me well, he can tell you what my bet size is, and some of the losses I have taken. But do you hear me talking about how much money I have? I try to make myself less into a high roller.

Its just as it goes in real life, when other people are talking about you - thats when youve made it. When you have to tout yourself.. well.. Ill leave it at that.

I told Relaxx... start a picks thread... show me how good you are over the course of a few months.. any sport you want.. I will the first to say wow - you really did hit 70%. Im impressed. But he doesnt like that option either. If you arent arbing, you are winning. If you cant prove you are a winner..

[todd73nj]

now it is 120k

What did it finish up at?

I havent seen a 120k in game event since Tradesports. Thats pretty good. Some money must be flowing there.

Am I the only one emailing customer service to keep all Football games open? The more emails.. the better the chances!

[todd73nj]

Where are they posting their live schedule - if they are posting one?

Bec its just been stumble on it and find it for me.. and Id love to know what actually live prior to looking for it

[wrongturn]

That game ended up over 150K traded. I notice betmaker is mainly driven by market makers. This maker consistently brought up offers on both sides during breaks. That probably explains the high trading volume.

Unfortunately they have no live game schedule, nor a reminder in big red font on home page. For some unknown reason, they use a moving caption at the bottom of screen. I wonder any is paying attention to it because I find it hard to read.

[wrongturn]

I am pretty sure the NFL on Sunday night and Monday night will have 2H and live betting from now on. Maybe one of the NFL Sunday 4pm games, but who knows, they never bother to give notice ahead of time.

[unclebuzz1]

Let me know if they have live wagering on totals and a market-maker with good 2-way action and I'll join in a heartbeat. I've seen a total market left open occasionally but with no action at all.

[todd73nj]

Ive just been so short on time.. havent been able to monitor any mid week stuff.

Have all the NCAA games on Wed, Thurs, Fri been live also?

[relaaxx]

how many times do i have to say to you i have not been out of work 10 years. never said it was 10 years. meant i have been betting over 10 years, and said it enough times so even you should get it right.. out of work 5 years again did not quit work 10 years ago. and there are plenty of things wrong with betmaker. been over them many times. nothing has changed except for better liquidity(great) and a couple of live night nfl games(should be many more games live betting). todd don't you ever quote anyone right. just because you started too late gambling online to see it and are to stupid to belive it - they were giving money away, with huge bonuses - low rollover along with being able to play at pinnacle and deposit and withdraw with neteller. i will give 1 and only 1 example. when richard from cascade was running betroyal i was able to deposit $10000 get a 100% bonus with only a 4 xxx roll. and because pinnacle was available to me, was able to do the roll in less than 3 weeks. and because neteller was also available it was easy to move that much in and out of books.it was easy. i am sure i am not the only one offered this bonus from richard when he was at betroyal. lots more of things like this made it easy. i have been trying to ignore you. but you just keep on attacking with that big stupid mouth of yours. can't let everything go. just sick of your crap. you are like a child whining. wha wha wha he said he quit work - wha wha wha he said this - wha wha wha he said that. grow up. this is about sportsbooks. what you think of them. this is not about you or me or anyone else , what you think of someone who posts is just guessing on your part. state it and move on. how many more months do i have to listen to you quote people wrong. stick to what you know. ---nothing.
you know like how much you made with totals in baseball. sure you are making plenty on totals and spreads in football too. even if they never move from the 1st time the lines are out.