Win4real.com confiscates 90k in winnings

[durito]

Win4real is not Sportsbetting. Jazette books come in all flavors, and respond (or fail to) in different ways. Brobury is perhaps the best. Right now, Win4real, is looking like the worst.

You figure out which book/group you are supposed to be investigating yet?

[Justin7]

You figure out which book/group you are supposed to be investigating yet?

Durito,

Our best information is that this book is still a Jazette book. Regardless, they are not responding to us (except perhaps threatening the player).

[wrongturn]

So escalating the matter to the main book may help?

[bubba]

Durito,

Our best information is that this book is still a Jazette book. Regardless, they are not responding to us (except perhaps threatening the player).

does this make sportsbetting.com a jazzette book too? becasue they are surely the same as win4real.............

[durito]

Durito,

Our best information is that this book is still a Jazette book. Regardless, they are not responding to us (except perhaps threatening the player).

Well your information is wrong. Try visiting their ******* office.

[HedgeHog]

Why does it matter if W4R is still part of Jazette's thieving family? Obviously this is where they learned how to steal.

[durito]

Why does it matter if W4R is still part of Jazette's thieving family? Obviously this is where they learned how to steal.

I dunno, if I was investigating a complaint I'd probably want to be at least able to contact the right company.

Call sportsbetting. Or get someone at eog/rx/covers to do it.

[Thremp]

Justin7 is again incorrect. Stunning development. If anyone would like to bet actual monies on this, I would be willing to take your money and make it my money.

[thebettor]

Keep this thread going. If these ass clowns are threatening this guy and his family, they don't deserve another deposit from anybody.

[mrfancy]

Wow this is insane, I would personally get the cops involved.

[Diddlez]

A search for win4real on this forum shows several other cases of people being scammed out of their winnings for nonsensical or no reason at all.

[juuso]

-Wow, insane amount. They clearly are a bunch of assholes and stiffs. Wouldn't play there.

[HedgeHog]

866-395-1043 is W4R's phone number and they do answer. If they refuse to talk about the case, drop their rating as far as you can. Regardless, C- is way too high for a place that won't discuss a confiscation issue.

[HedgeHog]

BTW, how did this similar confiscation get resolved? SBR was supposed to re-evaluate this family of books afterward. They remain at a C- over 1 1/2 years later...so did the player recover his stolen funds?:


5/28/2009 10:55 PM
Sister books, Sportsbetting.com, Racebook, and win4real confiscate player's winnings and deposits
The player opened accounts at all three sportsbooks in June of 2008, depositing and playing consistently for five months. In November his accounts, which showed a profit of approximately $20,000, were frozen. The sportsbook cited a rule saying the player could only have an account at one sportsbook in the Sportsbetting.com Group. SBR has advised the sportsbook to pay the player for all wagers it booked since the player's funds were at risk. Bookmakers should have the ability to limit a player's action but should not retroactively void winning bets. Thus far Sportsbetting (SBR rating C-), win4real (SBR rating C-) and Racebook (SBR rating C-) have not agreed to pay the player for winning wagers, or even the winnings on the first of the three accounts joined. $9,500 in player deposits remain in possession of the sportsbook without an explanation, six months after closure. At the conclusion of this dispute, the Sportsbetting.com Group will be reevaluated. | Sportsbetting.com Discussions

[itriedsohard]

i just dont get why he played at W4R in the first place

[Chuck Sims]

i just dont get why he played at W4R in the first place

I am going to assume he did not know about SBR while he was playing there.

[wrongturn]

90K and win4real just sounds like a bad combination.

[Cicima6709]

Durito,

Our best information is that this book is still a Jazette book. Regardless, they are not responding to us (except perhaps threatening the player).

So if they arent responding, is that it? Hes out of 90k and theres nothing that can be done?

[AribaAriba]

i would love to know the update here? it just to show you how we (players)helpless playing offshore. I also see some players not getting paid on oddsmakers.

[HedgeHog]

And they stay at C-? Seems like this Book is getting another free pass--they keep stealing w/o any downgrades.

[AribaAriba]

Bottom line is if a book doesnt pay someone or they voided their winnings citing be a professional or any BS reasons that they can come up with. Its not even worth it of ratings, it should be a blacklisted book or never ever deposit (throwing money) on this book.

[tommygun]

if a book steals money it should be an instant F for scam.
Win 4 Real, what a fkn name, as if you even played there...

[wtt0315]

i guess we know the real story now

[Powderguy]

Interesting, OP disappeared after his initial posts, he probably exploited something. But god awful deposit choice, book looks like ass

[brumbies]

Wtf? Live chat asked for his password?

[wtt0315]

the real story is on the front page of sbr. Looks like he exploited a bug in the deposit screen with mulitple browsers

[bubba]

This stems from a situation in early fall of 2009, when the company had a software update that added a few new features. Included in this release was a new feature with our cashier that unfortunately had a bug. The result of the bug, when discovered, was that it allowed players to credit funds to their account by manipulating the request/cancel withdrawal feature (when opening multiple windows). This was discovered by a very small number of our players; we were alerted to it by several of the players who found it, and we immediately took steps to rectify it.

This gentleman was one of those players who discovered the bug and used it to accumulate funds. The funds that were placed into his account were not derived by game play, wagering or by deposits. As we did with the handful of other players who received funds by manipulating the bug, we negated those deposits from their accounts. We did not touch any legitimate funds in anyone's accounts.
It is as straightforward as that. He found a bug and manipulated it to accumulate funds.The best question to ask the individual is for him to demonstrate where his ‘funds' came from. It's that simple. His legitimate game play did produce a net win and he was paid out all of that. He has never been denied any money that was legitimately his. Again, the crux to this is to have the player demonstrate any legitimate evidence of how he accumulated those funds. He is the only individual of the group who found the bug that has complained about not receiving funds (and he didn't complain until now, over a year later).

[wrongturn]

On January 1st, 2011, SBR reported that the player wished to retract his complaint, citing concerns over the well-being of his family.

[newton0038]

No no no, this is not a case of classical CC **********. Why would I charge back $10,000 if I was up $90,000 anyway? That makes no sense.

Besides it isn't even clear what they're talking about. First they never received the money, then there was a software glitch. Even assuming the CC deposit somehow didn't make it through, so deduct whatever the amount was from my balance and pay me the remaining amount.

There is nothing missing from this story except that I won to much for them to take.

Posting a statement like this does not help your case, saying that you are cool with dropping $10,000+- just to get the remainder.

[horja1]

so this ended with his complaint being retracted?

[Thremp]

They never bothered to contact the correct company.

[allang84]

this all sounds a bit iffy to me, who has 90 grand in a sportsbook?

[Hareeba!]

this all sounds a bit iffy to me, who has 90 grand in a sportsbook?

many serious pros
but that's not the issue here
this has already been sussed out as a cheat's play, so yes very "iffy"

[mikeanite]

so what's the verdict, has this case been resolve? i hope justin7 can tell us who's at fault

[durito]

so what's the verdict, has this case been resolve? i hope justin7 can tell us who's at fault

He can't even tell you which group the book belongs too.


Player cheated, money never actually existed.