Bet Phoenix STEALS AGAIN

[Peregrine Stoop]

Probably a few ghosts in this thread.

Anyway, typical thread that adds nothing, by a guy who adds nothing, who wanted something for nothing.

well, I'm not a ghost.
And, this thread added something.
BP claims to honor the lines it puts up as long as they are not an obvious error.
This one wasn't an obvious error, but BP was on the 'wrong' side by 3% or so.
Can a book cancel any bet when it's clear they had time to carefully set the line but have a differing opinion from winning players?
Let's hold BP to task. They responded well to this Giants bet. However, it's clear from the Sharks tt situation I put up that they are not quite what they promise to be. These are not bets of hitting +3 on a NFL game that is supposed to be -3. These are difference of opinion bets where my model says something 2-5% different in possible outcomes.

[Dark Horse]

Your post doesn't add much either, a bet is a bet...it doesnt mean jack if it comes from a scalper or not, you book it you honor it

Doesn't work that way. Their rules protect offshore books from human error. It would be nice if they would post exact definitions of what a bad line is, but as long as they don't, if it looks borderline contact the book about the line before betting it.

[birdmanweezy]

Is it really "theft" if the bet is cancelled long before game time? The original line of -195 was way off and action moved the line. Then more action comes in and BP realizes their mistake--voiding all bets. I'm not defending BP's actions, but it was borderline. An A Book probably lets the bet stand. JMO.

no way 5dimes voids bets all the time because of this reason...ive had 2-3 this month citing bad lines

[Dark Horse]

well, I'm not a ghost.
And, this thread added something.
BP claims to honor the lines it puts up as long as they are not an obvious error.
This one wasn't an obvious error, but BP was on the 'wrong' side by 3% or so.
Can a book cancel any bet when it's clear they had time to carefully set the line but have a differing opinion from winning players?
Let's hold BP to task. They responded well to this Giants bet. However, it's clear from the Sharks tt situation I put up that they are not quite what they promise to be. These are not bets of hitting +3 on a NFL game that is supposed to be -3. These are difference of opinion bets where my model says something 2-5% different in possible outcomes.

The issue of bad lines is interesting. It has come up for years. I don't know why SBR hasn't taken stronger steps to iron out some sort of precise agreement among books rated B and higher. How hard could it be?

But the OP knows what the deal is. He's just messing around.

[Thremp]

Could someone explain why the other bets I place have any bearing on whether this bet should be honored?

Thanks.

[Thremp]

What happened to all the BP shills?

Dozer/Dark Horse?

You guys wanna have a discussion in earnest or just talking sensationalist bullshit trash?

[ABEHONEST]

I certainly am not surprised by the way BP handled this issue.
The surprise is, why so many negatives about a solid Book?

[HedgeHog]

I would still like to know what constitutes a ML error. How far off from a market can a ML be and then be legimately voided? Do any Books define this?

[acarmelo1]

what was the original theme here?

[mrmarket]

Scalping is not a crime.

[Thremp]

Apparently Dozer was too much of a pu$$y to answer questions about SBR robbing someone for 10 dimes and figure out why he called me a crook.

Same for Dark Donk.

[Mr_Saratoga]

Thremp......I will say what no one else wants to......You are a true A hole.

[Thremp]

Thremp......I will say what no one else wants to......You are a true A hole.

More personal attacks. No one wants to have a genuine discussion. Dozer just lies. Dark Donk just lies. LIES LIES LIES. Atleast Richard rectified his people's thievery.

[icancount2one]

I can't believe I'm actually reading players defending the books scummy practice of canceling wagers when it becomes apparent they made a mistake or got scalped. If a player takes a garbage line, or just misclicks, good luck "canceling" because it wasn't a good bet for you. Come on guys, are you gamblers or shills?

If the book gives you a ticket, within very strict parameters, defined on their website, they should have to pay it. Period, end of story.

SBR, step it up. These people are making you look bad.

[suman]

This needs to get back on topic

[cint2cint]

I don't think Dozer lies, it's impossible

[Mikail]

So what was the final verdict? Is Betphoenix in the wrong? I need to know these things as I am considering them as another out.

[ABEHONEST]

So what was the final verdict? Is Betphoenix in the wrong? I need to know these things as I am considering them as another out.

Talk, talk!
Talk is cheap. Solid Books are hard to find.
BP is as solid as you will get.
Forget the crybabies, unless proven right about any mistake BP is guilty of?

[Thremp]

They admitted they were wrong.

[philswin]

It is not Horse Racing where the lines are not finalized until all the money is in. They posted a line it moved, they cancelled. That's not the way it works. At least they admitted wrong doing. BP took a shot and got called on it

[Chuck Sims]

How much money does Bet Phoenix pay SBR to keep these complaints off the front page?

[Thremp]

Dozer is such a comical shill. As soon as he is forced to actually stop trolling and answer reasonable questions he stops slinging mud and disappears.

Same for Dark Horse. Both these guys just wanna talk shit about players without ever bothering to say anything useful. Dozer got mouths to feed. I wonder if sportsbetting didn't exist what he would be doing for money, just straight up defrauding people instead of shilling?

[betphoenix]

Thremp,

Dozer didn't put up a bad line and then move off of it when hit, we did. He was asking you to submit a formal complaint which we do attend to with SBR. Apart from that, can we let this thread die please? I think your issue was addressed in full here, and SBR/Bill Dozer has served its purpose as a communication platform in that regard. FWIW Bill/SBR also communicated with me outside this thread to bring your concern to my attention.

[mrmarket]

The pie on my face is banana pie.

[steve18]

Books make these mistakes all the time. At the very least, the book should give him perhaps a free play or something else if they don't want to pay out the full amount.

[Thremp]

Thremp, Dozer didn't put up a bad line and then move off of it when hit, we did. He was asking you to submit a formal complaint which we do attend to with SBR. Apart from that, can we let this thread die please? I think your issue was addressed in full here, and SBR/Bill Dozer has served its purpose as a communication platform in that regard. FWIW Bill/SBR also communicated with me outside this thread to bring your concern to my attention.

He slandered me and insulted me. He has yet to explain why other bets should have any bearing on this bet. I'm simply asking that he explain his insulting ways. I would be happy to let this thread die if he would engage in open discussion. He also asked for me to provide details ITT or in a formal complaint. Apparently he was lying about that as well as he never provided any follow up. I just want honesty from a shill.

Books make these mistakes all the time. At the very least, the book should give him perhaps a free play or something else if they don't want to pay out the full amount.

They paid the bets.

[Dark Horse]

lol

What's the over/under on the number of braincells in a Shrimp?

BP, he will not file a complaint form. And he is very interested in keeping this headline floating to the top. Some of us knew that right off the bat, and the continuation of this thread, still without complaint form being submitted, clearly proves the revenge motive. The good news? It doesn't get much worse than this here. It's not even about his money anymore. Now he wants to 'unmask' Dozer, who didn't fall for his bs. Question remains, of course, why he doesn't file a complaint form if it's not bs.

Keep crying Shrimp. Maybe you'll convince some fellow invertebrates (that would be an animal without a backbone) to join your cause.

[agreen]

lol is anyone suprised i mean its bet pheonix

[Thremp]

Why should I file a complaint form?

1) Dozer said I could post the relevant additional details ITT. He never said what else was needed. He used what he thinks are disparaging terms (scalper, etc) to insult me. He never explained what was needed or why other bets should have any impact on my bets placed at this book.
2) Richard found the information provided sufficient to prove my case in my favor and pay me in full. This strengthens point 1. Dozer wanted to sling mud and wasn't interested in settling the issue. I don't feel that SBR has any interest in handling private claims with the BP group. The court of public opinion is the only effective tool.
3) No one has explained why scalping should have any bearing on whether a bet stands or not. It seems like a completely unrelated issue that retards bring up when they get confused. Dozer, Dark Horse et al have provided NO evidence why other bets placed should impact a bet at an unrelated sportsbook from standing.
4) It pretty clear Dark Horse has not even read this thread and is simply shilling. How can I file a complaint form for a "complaint" that has been settled to my satisfaction?

I now want an explanation from Dozer on why he thinks bets at other books should impact an unrelated book's policy or a public apology. I will continue to bump this thread until the moderation silences me (likely) or Dozer answers (lol @ that happening. He's too busy robbing Boot).

[RogueScholar]

Thremp, I like the fact that you're trying to hold people accountable for what they say here, but nobody who watches this industry is under any illusions that SBR has any integrity left in their relationships with players. They typically ignore complaints these days and fail to follow up with people, unless the result can embarrass a book that doesn't advertise here. I think anybody who had something to learn from this thread already knows it, and those who don't get it were never meant to have an understanding here.

I certainly support your efforts, but as someone who's also been slandered by Dozer, I can tell you that he's too busy fleecing the sheep to be concerned with karma or offering apologies.

[ABEHONEST]

Thremp, I like the fact that you're trying to hold people accountable for what they say here, but nobody who watches this industry is under any illusions that SBR has any integrity left in their relationships with players. They typically ignore complaints these days and fail to follow up with people, unless the result can embarrass a book that doesn't advertise here. I think anybody who had something to learn from this thread already knows it, and those who don't get it were never meant to have an understanding here.

I certainly support your efforts, but as someone who's also been slandered by Dozer, I can tell you that he's too busy fleecing the sheep to be concerned with karma or offering apologies.

Gee RogueScholar, with that kind of talk, maybe you can get yourself boycotted off Players Talk like poor ol' ABE?

[cint2cint]

If you was paid, no more problem, cash out and change bookie

[creed]

Is Bill Dozer a real person?

[wrongturn]

I thought he stared in The Mask movie.

[mrmarket]

We should let this thread die. I will remind everyone to do so by posting in it daily.