What's special about today? Why does Richard show up for 3 posts on this thread only - not the payout delay threads - and then disappear again? Weird, particularly given that the story he's telling doesn't seem to fit with what SBR was told happened.
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My guess is that he showed up today because:
- BP has been getting ripped a new asshole on these forums, in multiple threads
- as a result, SBR is catching a lot of heat concerning the ridiculous B+ rating of BP and SBR's refusal to put serious BP customer complaints on their front page
- Marauders requested an update from SBR, so SBR must have went to BP and told them that they need to say something
As for why his new story doesn't make any sense when you consider his last story, it's because he is clearly lying in an attempt to cover up what really happened. They keep changing the story. The last story was that we had clicked on a malicious link over at 2+2. Well, people were gonna want to see the proof, to have an explanation as to how that happened to Marauders when he doesn't post there and has rarely ever visited the forum, and to receive an explanation as to how they only saw our own IP addresses in their logs (the first BS story). As they tell each new story, their conflicting lies betray their dishonesty and force them to come up with new lies. Unfortunately, they are not very good at making up stories and so their lies are often tangled and conflicting.Comment -
I want to make a request for information. I know that some guy Richard N would mail money orders from California. I can't find the envelope he used to mail me the money orders, but it had his address. Can someone email this info?
If anyone can send me any information regarding my hacking case, BetPhoenix payout methods, or anything else that might help me, please email me at:
warbetp @ yahoo dot com
Of course any source of info will remain anonymous.Comment -
If the account was not hacked, we simply have plays placed that you said you did not make. Not the first time this has happened in the business, and wont be the last time. If your log and pass was used, what more is there to say.
If someone logging into your account and making plays is considered hacking, then anyone in the world can provide their info to someone else, or play from another computer and simply say it was not me. Based on your premise we would then need to refund every single person who claimed this. Thus, I will say it again the system was not hacked, and SBR can confirm that. Call me what you want, but who is to say that your pc did not get hacked.Last edited by betphoenix; 06-02-10, 07:41 PM.Comment -
Why did you refund chantech and pjesnik?
First of all, it is not possible for SBR to know this. They are reliant on you for any data they receive. Second of all, if you showed them any data, any data whatsoever, it will be the first I have heard of it. I have requested the IP log in records, the record of all of my chats with your live chat CS, how my affiliate came to be some guy I never heard of called "Alvin Ma" when I thought it was SBR, etc. I have not been provided with one shred of information. As far as I know, nor has Marauders.Thus, I will say it again the system was not hacked, and SBR can confirm that.
Has SBR been shown anything, anything at all?
Furthermore, the bets placed in my account were 4 and 5 team parlays. I had never placed so much as one parlay before. Many of these parlays consisted entirely of games which had not even started when I contacted BP. Some of these parlays consisted entirely of games which would not start for two days after I contacted BP. And you are pretending that it was neccesarry to not cancel any of these parlays in order to protect yourself from fraud?
Please explain to me how the following method of fraud could be used to profit at your expense:
- on Wednesday morning a customer logs into his own account and places a 5 team parlay full of games which do not start until Friday
- on Wednesday night the customer lies to BP, informing them that he did not place that parlay
While this would clearly be fraudulent behavior by the customer, please explain to me how it could possible cost you any money to cancel the bets. Am I missing something? How could the customer take advantage of you when the games don't start for two days??? What idiot would attempt such a fraud, which could only lead to a 100% loss of capital, or a return of capital.
The fact is that you know that I did not place these bets, and that you are covering it up because you don't want it to get out what serious security and rogue employee issues you have over there at BP. FOUR people have had their accounts hacked (two of whom you have refunded in full). People have had their credit cards charged by your processor, without the knowledge of the customer or BP. Someone had their ewallet withdrawal cancelled and funneled to another unrelated ewallet account (again, you reimbursed them). You know damn well the serious problems you have with rogue employees. You know damn well that I did not place those ridiculous bets and that Marauders did not make those ridiculous plays in your casino.Comment -
The "what more is there to say" is that your system was transmitting passwords in the URL for many months, and numerous people posted about to SBR, but it took you guys something like 4 or 6 months to fix the problem. In fact, I told the CS reps who kept calling me and asking me to deposit that I wasn't comfortable depositing at a book with such lax security procedures. A customer can't be held responsible for the security of their password when it's being transmitted via the URL like that.
Additionally, I think it's reasonable to question the competence of your staff who say "the system wasn't hacked" when it took them months to get the passwords out of the URL.Comment -
kg, i think you're in the right here. your story rings more true than bp's, and they had ample opportunity to cancel the parlays after you informed them. but, since now they only owe you a fraction, i urge you to give restraint in terms of bring down their whole current payment processing system as it will affect many other payments made to other players...Last edited by trixtrix; 06-02-10, 08:29 PM.Comment -
SBR definately need to saytheir word about it and downgrate the book....no questions....otherwise all this "recomended list" has NO VALUE...at all...all this is not goodComment -
BetPhoenix please stop emailing me, I Will not deposit at such a bad site!Comment -
I realize that reporting their processors to the various credit card companies, banks, government agencies, what have you, might severely inconvenience other gamblers. And I was prepared to say, no apologies, in any war you hope to win you have to accept innocent casualties.
But for some reason your post is making me think about it a bit more. Maybe it's because your pointing out that my story rings more true is relieving some of my frustration...
R Ng is still gonna have to get ****ed though. Assuming he's a real person
They don't send money orders/checks anymore anyway.
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A what other gambling forums can I spread the word of BP's thievery? I only post on 2+2 and here at SBR. I have a few in mind, but I don't want to miss any.Comment -
EOG, Therx, covers.comComment -
BetPhoenix is a joke. I always tell these jerkoffs to stop calling me but they never do.
This book is a C tops and the only reason they are rated so high is because they pay SBR.
Bet Phoenix needs to pay KGambler his money and maybe some of these people will forgive you and sign up with your shit book. This book gets nothing but bad press and for good reason.
Quit being stiffs you D bookComment -
D- Book thanks for the heads up K-Gambler.
Die a nice death BetPhoenix. May you end up like WSEXComment -
Something about this company just never smelt right to me from the beginning, I think its possible there is blatant thievery taking place thereComment -
acarmelo1 has started a petition to downgrade BetPhoenix's ludicrous B+ SBR rating. Please take a look. If you agree with the petition, I recommend that you "sign" it and also nominate his post (click on the thumbs up at the bottom right, near the quote button). I'm not really sure what that "nomination" does, but seems like a good idea.
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why are they not an F???Comment -
Simple truth is that your account was not hacked. SBR has seen that your account was not penetrated at all. You can come down and see that with them as well if you would like. You are depending on the rouge employee argument only which is simply not the case.Comment -
BetPhoenix starting to sound closer to BetCascade everyday. Bets should have been cancelled when security breach was detected and reported.Comment -
That would be hilarious if you drilled all the parlaysComment -
Hey Betphoenix, theres threads all over the interwebz about you guys robbing them, how about stepping up and admitting you guys have a really big security problem?
I for one will never come within a hundred miles of even considering depositing 1 cent, because your book is an absolute joke and anyone with half a brain can see that.
After seeing your statement, I look forward to seeing you guys go under.Comment -
I think maybe they believe he didn't make them (they may even have come from a different IP address), but are saying his username/password was used so to refund money would set dangerous precedents.
In phone wagering, it was always if you had the UN/PWD the bet stood.Comment -
Someone logging in with an account number and password to make plays is not hacking. That does not constitute a security issue at any business in the market. Your credit card deposits were also refunded and NOT removed from the account as payment against the balance in your favor.Last edited by betphoenix; 06-03-10, 11:10 AM.Comment -
Your lies are so crude and transparent that this is like dealing with Iraq's former propaganda arm. Remember when Saddam Hussein was stroking that terrified British child hostage's head for the news cameras, and saying that he was his "guest"?
So your story is that you decided to refund me $2K, but never told anyone, including your own employees and SBR, all the while making no comment in this thread?
Your story is that in early April you decided to refund me the arbitrary amount of $2K? That you never told your employees? That you never told me, even when I emailed you for a clarification asking if the amount was coming out of my BP account? That you never told SBR, even when they specifically asked about it two weeks later? That you never made this refund public despite this thread being open and active at the time? That never until now, when you realized (only because I told you) that I was able to withdraw an extra $2K, did you decide to clue me in that it was meant as a refund?
When Lou was looking into it, this is the info he relayed to me:
"What is the exact date of the transaction? The most recent transaction they see to your account is a 3/15 payout."
Richard's April 13th email, after I suggested this refund looked like another rogue employee type of thing:
Richard: "I asked for the refunds to aviod future problems with the CC's on your account."
Gee, that doesn't say anything about giving me back $2K. My email reply:
"What kind of problems?
Is this $2,000 going to now be subtracted from the balance of my
account? I can't log in now. I assume you have locked my account?
Can I call you sometime tomorrow? I would like to talk to you about my case."
Of course, I received no reply.
Thanks for the $2K back! Your software and employees really are the worst in the industry! Thank god for your unbelievable level of incompetence, or like Marauders I would have gotten nothing back. Keep the change buddy.
Speaking of Marauders, he also has many questions which you are refusing to answer. His account was hacked all the way back in February. You have jerked him around since then. The least you could do is answer his questions.Comment -
In any case, take the Betphoenix banner down. Fuk this joke a book that is known for nothing but problems, shadiness and incompetence.Comment -
Using tracking cookies and keystroke loggers are one of the most common forms of hacking. Hackers can obtain user names, passwords, credit card data, and personal information. Any responsible business when such activity is reported would cancel all pending transaction, investigate all processed transactions, and immediatly cancel the account.Comment -
lol..this thread is hilarious...im surprised this thread hasnt been locked ... its getting out of hand but funny has hell...lmaoComment -
I am gonna bump this post .
It makes no sense . KGambler asked BP to nul wagers before start time and reported fraud .BP refused .
HOW MANY OF YOU WAGER 7000 k straight and parley in the matter of few min
14 wagers in the spam of 9 min
11 straight
3 six game parleys .
Later on BP refused to cancel this wagers
4:13 4 team parlay
4:15 5 team parlay
4:16 4 team parlay
4:17 3 team parlay
In 4 min FOUR parlays placed total of 16 picks
KGambler asked BP to nul wagers before start time and reported fraud .BP refused .
So Richard your explanations/excuses are no good .
KGambler report them to http://www.bookmakersreview.com/
And keep bumping this post till you get paid .
BOL.Comment -
There are several reasons for the action of refunding your card. You persist to personally attack me which is fine, but you got the 2k refund NOT taken out as payment against your account either way. In this case...there was no hacking. The account was entered into with an account number and password period. Also, you got your cards refunded on top of that via me. I did not need you to tell me that information. The first thing I did when this issue was presented to me was refund. Now you are mad because you got refunded too? With that I am checking out of this thread.Comment
