This sucks, BP should not be trusted. It shouldn't take this long to sort this problem out. At least give some sort of service by some updates. I would hate to be in that position.
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Are you new? Chuck Sims has been around for years and posts about all sorts of crappy books. If threads where books are in the wrong go ignored, they disappear, whereas if someone keeps bumping the thread it's still noticed. BP's silence on these many security issues is quite troubling. It took them something like 4-6 months just to get the passwords out of the URLs.Comment -
ive seen him around...and? doesnt concern me how long someone has been on the forums... this is not my first day here...and if im new, then what are you?
its annoying to see someone keep posting when no ones even answering..its pointless bumps... just wait for the op to reply instead of keep bumping up a thread thats going no where with useless comments...i definitely appreciate people who update threads with useful information... that is how i find and choose my booksLast edited by lawsofpower48; 05-20-10, 07:16 PM.Comment -
There was a link between both accounts that originated from the 2+2 forum. Both players (unexpectedly) clicked on a tracking cookie that then allowed the same attacker to access both accounts. SBR has made 2+2 aware of malicious javascript posted on its forum before in a similar past dispute.Comment -
Wow... Now that is some great info and detective work (assuming it is correct). I am no computer expert though, so I would love for BP to explain to me what exactly this means. How would this malicious cookie work? Is it possible to know what the link was/who posted it? How did BP reach this conclusion? Of course, I don't expect answers in this thread if that is going to be a problem - an email would be great.
I don't know how MY IP address would show up as the log in, but whatever. I just hope BP is able to get to the bottom of this.
I do post on 2+2. The first guy who was hacked (chantech) also posts there.
pjesnick, how about you?
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I believe I have visited it but never posted anything or anything similarComment -
I have visited 2+2 poker forums previously but never posted. I also don't remember ever clicking onto any BP related link that put me at risk of attracting the malicious spyware. I am not really sure what all this mean either so hopefully BP can provide us with more information.
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It would not necessarily be a BP related link. It could be any link. Something was mentioned about the same 3rd party person on these hacked accounts. I doubt its 2+2. They would have warned people by now or at least reported it.
The site LVA? had an infected link. It was detected quickly and a warning post was issued.Comment -
Lou,
So is that it for the case? Did you or SBR accept their explanation and conclude that it's the players' fault and BP are not liable for any wrong doing? So all 4 of us who got their account hacked into clicked on malicious link at 2+2 and got our computer infected? If that's the case, how come two of us got reimbursement while Kgambler and I did not? Why the discrepancy between our case?
Please reply to this thread and let me know once and for all what the conclusion is going to be.Comment -
OK, but two weeks ago SBR provided the following info:
"There was a link between both accounts that originated from the 2+2 forum. Both players (unexpectedly) clicked on a tracking cookie that then allowed the same attacker to access both accounts. SBR has made 2+2 aware of malicious javascript posted on its forum before in a similar past dispute."
We want a clarification on what this means.
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You haven't gotten any communication from SBR in those weeks?Comment -
dont trust this site , one time i made a few bets , won them , came back and the bets were never placed , coincidence ?
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i never trusted a site to make a sportsbook decision for me lmao...i feel sorry for the people that rely on sbr to pick their books.... i use sbr to see other users response towards a bookComment -
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sorry to say. this is the end of the roadComment -
The account had zero signs of hacking involved. There was no mechanical or technical penetrations made to the account. The account was accessed by a log in and password only.Comment -
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Thanks for coming here to provide info.
I'm far from a computer or hacking terminology expert, so I want to make sure I understand what you are saying. When you say there was "zero signs of hacking involved", does that mean that you no longer think that I clicked on a malicious link over at 2+2, or does it just mean that someone used that malicious link to steal my username and password and then simply used the info to log in?Comment -
It means that the account was not hacked. It was entered into via standard log and pass procedures and nothing beyond that.Comment -
OK, so what about the story of the malicious link on 2+2 that we had all fallen victim to? Did you lie to SBR about that, and now you realize that that lie wouldn't fly because of your earlier lies about only seeing my IP address?
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You say your account got hacked. It did not. Nothing more to say beyond that. SBR can walk into this BLDG anytime they want to confirm that info. The question is "Did the account get hacked?". The answer is "No it did not get hacked." Just a simple log in an and password entry.Comment -
betphoenix, why do I get phone calls after I told you guys no more? I want a free play due to the inconvenience!Comment -
never ****in ever post your personal info on internet. When posting pics about some bet, always hide some important numbers and don't pump your ego showing others multiple numbers balance.Comment -
Betphoenix, first off thanks for coming onto the site to clear everything up. Regardless of how what BP decides to do on the case, it is good for all parties to understand what went wrong and avoid this problem down the road.
The more I read about Lou's and your post...the more confused I am. So I got some questions that I hope you can answer for me.
1) Lou suggested that we clicked on malicious link on the 2+2 forum. What evidence did BP provide to him that make him come to that conclusion?
2) Since I am not an computer expert, I want to know is it possible for all my other sports/bank online accounts to be unaffected when I clicked on the malicious link. How is it that they only target my BP account? (if other people can answer this beside Betphoenix, then please do so)
3) Since you said that the account was logged in with valid ID and password, was the casino play logged in from my IP address? (I have asked this question a million times but still haven't gotten an answer) To others with computer expertise, can someone control my computer to log in but show that it's from my ip address?
4) Is it a coincidence, that at the time I had the account compromised that two other SBR forum posters (pjesnik24 and chantech) had the same problem at BP. Later Kgambler have a similar problem even after he disabled his access to casino play. Keep in mind that I do not know any of these individuals before the incident.
5) As far as I know, both pjesnik24 and chantech have their funds reimbursed to them. If BP doesn't think it's a problem on their hand, why would they bother with that arrangement? And how is their situation different from us?
Since you did come on the forum, I suspect you want to clear BP's name from any wrong doing. I have slim to none hope of seeing my money again but I NEED to understand what went wrong so it won't happen to me again in the future. It's not a great feeling when you KNOW you did nothing wrong and have $3000 dolllars down the drain. Thanks for taking the time to answer the questions. I appreciate it.
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richard, why did you NOT cancel the parlays as op requested when the games didn't even go off yet?Comment -
I have an update and this will explain why I was kinda laying low as far as trying to get explanations from SBR and BP the last three weeks. I was able to steal $2K back from BP. They stole $3K from me and I "stole" $2K back. Now they still owe me $1K, and my goal is not to get the money back, but to cost them at least 50 times this amount.
After BP stole the $3K available in my account, I still had $4K in pending NCAA tourney futures bets. After those bets were graded, I had $3,333.16 in my account. On April 12th I noticed that $2K had been refunded to my debit card and it was BP's processor doing the payment. When I first saw this, I freaked out because I thought they were debits and not credits. Eventually I came to realize that they were credits, and that someone at BP had refunded $2K back to my card.
When I complained that my card had again been charged $2K, BP told both me and SBR that they saw no activity in my BP account to explain this. When I realized that my card had actually been credited, I contact BP to tell them that maybe the hacker was fooling around with my account again. Richard responded to this email claiming that he had ordered the refund in order to avoid any "future problems" with the card. Considering that the first credit had shown up back on April 7th (probably about a week after the refund request was made) and that after April 12th BP and SBR were both telling me that there had been no activity in my BP account, that didn't exactly have the ring of truth to it.
Anyway, BP is so ****ing stupid that they never did debit my account the $2K. So instead of having $3,333 - $2,000 = $1,333, I still had $3,333 in my account. So I withdrew it.
Now those thieves just owe me about $1K.Comment
guy stops to make this thread before calling them! 
. I didn't call, instead I went into the live chat. I was obviously panicing, but wanted time-stamped proof, thus the quick post.
