Betphoenix you need to stop offering live wagering

**BigDaddy** · 10-26-09, 02:55 PM

richard i would like a call or a an explanation please

thank you

**BigDaddy** · 10-26-09, 03:00 PM

i have bet a total of 7 live wagers

14193391-1 10/15/2009 11:16 PM Spread 200.00 400.00 Baseball - 951 Phillies Live -1½ +200 for Game
14207779-1 10/16/2009 9:42 PM Total 290.00 290.00 Baseball - 953 Angels Live/Yankees Live over 7 +100 for Game
14207779-2 10/16/2009 9:42 PM Spread 360.00 300.00 Baseball - 954 Yankees Live -1½ -120 for Game
14296954-1 10/18/2009 11:13 PM Total 315.00 262.50 Football - 9233 Bears Live/Falcons Live under 38½ -120 for Game
14315434-1 10/19/2009 11:06 PM Total 300.00 250.00 Football - 9235 Broncos Live/Chargers Live under 60 -120 for Game
14344906-1 10/21/2009 10:20 PM Spread 600.00 500.00 Football - 9301 Tulsa Live -7 -120 for Game
14345700-1 10/21/2009 11:08 PM Spread 450.00 300.00 Football - 9302 Texas el Paso Live +3½ -150 for Game

**BigDaddy** · 10-26-09, 03:01 PM

14296954-1 10/18/2009 11:13 PM Total 315.00 262.50 Football - 9233 Bears Live/Falcons Live under 38½ -120 for Game

this game ended with the bears on the 2 yard line

could have easily lost

**BigDaddy** · 10-26-09, 03:03 PM

14315434-1 10/19/2009 11:06 PM Total 300.00 250.00 Football - 9235 Broncos Live/Chargers Live under 60 -120 for Game

FG miss by SD avoids the push

**tltaylor89** · 10-26-09, 03:04 PM

I dont know what to say about this one.

**BigDaddy** · 10-26-09, 03:07 PM

my lifetime figure live betting with your book

5-2 + $622.50

yet your stage says i know something you dont?

if $622.50 makes you guys put accounts that bet hundreds of plays on non steam bets on a delay you should just stop offering live betting. IMHO

please i dont have an accurate count for regular bets but i would guess over 400 maybe you could look that number up?

unreal

**BigDaddy** · 10-26-09, 03:10 PM

maybe remove that popup that i see everytime i log in to check out our daily live betting

LOL!

**Peep** · 10-26-09, 03:19 PM

Yeah, they have me on delay too, then change the line twice more against me for fun, then pull it from the screen.

They do need to fix it. I do live betting at Ladbrokes too, much better system, with a ten second delay yes, but at least most bets go through. Hardly any of my BetPhoenix bets go through, maybe one in four gets approved.

A big waste of time IMO. They should move to a Pinnacle/Greek policy of only taking bets at timeouts. Even then I fear they would **** it up.

**BigDaddy** · 10-26-09, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by Peep

Yeah, they have me on delay too, then change the line twice more against me for fun, then pull it from the screen.

They do need to fix it. I do live betting at Ladbrokes too, much better system, with a ten second delay yes, but at least most bets go through. Hardly any of my BetPhoenix bets go through, maybe one in four gets approved.

A big waste of time IMO. They should move to a Pinnacle/Greek policy of only taking bets at timeouts. Even then I fear they would **** it up.

yes agree just do it on TV timeouts then can stop with the games.

they think i know something they dont

LOL!

**shantystar** · 10-26-09, 03:27 PM

you are very right big daddy

**Justin7** · 10-26-09, 03:29 PM

It's not the net win amount, so much as your wagering style. I was down 25k and put on a delay. Delays are a perfectly reasonable countermeasure, but it does make live betting useless.

**tltaylor89** · 10-26-09, 03:30 PM

I think 1 of the part owners of Phoenix frequents the boards he /she maybe can fix this.Whoever they are they frequent the boards and are upper management.

**BigDaddy** · 10-26-09, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by Justin7

It's not the net win amount, so much as your wagering style. I was down 25k and put on a delay. Delays are a perfectly reasonable countermeasure, but it does make live betting useless.

why offer live betting if a guy can't watch a game and see a line and bet it?

they do make the line not me?

its called live betting

i dont have access to a special TV i have digital roadrunner cable TV

i see what everyone else sees.

i am also on delay for my regular bets (i dont bet steam plays either) and that messes with my head for some odd reason

**pavyracer** · 10-26-09, 03:36 PM

Why don't you bet the opposite of your play and when they put you on delay with a worse line bet your actual bet at better odds?

**durito** · 10-26-09, 03:37 PM

they got me too

i'm not even sure why

**BigDaddy** · 10-26-09, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

Why don't you bet the opposite of your play and when they put you on delay with a worse line bet your actual bet at better odds?

i'm confused?

**Justin7** · 10-26-09, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by durito

they got me too

i'm not even sure why

Lol.

**tltaylor89** · 10-26-09, 03:44 PM

Durito has been taking them to the bank.

**betphoenix** · 10-26-09, 03:57 PM

just checking in...need a few min here.

**JohnnyC** · 10-26-09, 04:02 PM

An A Rated book shouldn't use anything longer than a ~5 second delay for live betting

**Stumpage** · 10-26-09, 04:05 PM

Wow, interesting thread.....The vast majority of my plays at BP are Live betting, between baseball, football and soccer and I've not seen this at all ('course, I've also never made a withdrawal and am just now approaching break-even status there).....

**tltaylor89** · 10-26-09, 04:15 PM

Live Betting is kinda in youre face literally like when you login (Check out our Daily Live Betting Options) .I guess they delayed you because its low volume.
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**RickySteve** · 10-26-09, 04:25 PM

I've never seen a BP account that wasn't on delay. Aren't all of their bets manually approved?

**bleedblue** · 10-26-09, 04:29 PM

How long a delay are you guys getting?

A delay of up to 10 seconds seems acceptable to ensure people dont beat them on line changes after hits/outs, first downs/sacks, etc.

If they are delaying in a way that allows them to see the result of the next play/pitch before deciding if they want to take the bet, then that is a big problem.

**GETMONEYKID** · 10-26-09, 05:14 PM

remove all delays u thieves

**GETMONEYKID** · 10-26-09, 05:16 PM

they freerolling us

**Lucas** · 10-26-09, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by bleedblue

How long a delay are you guys getting?

A delay of up to 10 seconds seems acceptable to ensure people dont beat them on line changes after hits/outs, first downs/sacks, etc.

If they are delaying in a way that allows them to see the result of the next play/pitch before deciding if they want to take the bet, then that is a big problem.

live betting is crazy, every sportsbook has its own rules
pinnacle, greek, ladbrokes are fair

but centrebet for example has 5 sec delay, but if you bet the same side again later, you get 10 sec additional delay and this can be repeated many times, so sometimes you have delay like 1 minute

and that is not all, i put at timeout NBA playoffs while game was close one team, after i bet i was on big delay... came score, turnover and score - game was over and they accepted my bet, cost me 1k.. centrebet told me, that delay was ONLY 45 secs /which ios not true/ and that this delay is ok

delay at canbet 1 year before was close to 1 minute in soccer

10bet has delays like 2 minutes
etc, etc

**betphoenix** · 10-26-09, 05:55 PM

The reason here is very simple after looking into this. We have to delay some people based on broadcasting lag differences. If it hits 10 seconds, then we have to pull it down entirely. This is not something we can avoid, and is based on CR satellite delivery of games in live betting rotation.

I would hope that you understand we are not here to not provide service. However, we have to be responsible towards that service as well. We, as mentioned by one poster are far from thieves. How do you book something responsibly 10 seconds after it is over, and the guy on the other side has the result before you do whether he knows it or not.

hope that helps shed some light here, even if the answer is not what everyone probably wanted to hear.

**BigDaddy** · 10-26-09, 06:01 PM

so let me get this straight

some people have a different TV's then all the other people betting at betphoenix?

dont offer live betting during the whole game.

i am on a delay for all my bets and that messes with my head that is the reason i pulled my balance and wont reup until i am off the delay.

again please remove that annoying pop up every time i log in that says "please check out our live betting options"

its annoying to have to click that every time.

as live betting seems to be an option i dont have living in OHIO i guess

LOL! what a joke of an answer.

**BigDaddy** · 10-26-09, 06:04 PM

"The reason here is very simple after looking into this. We have to delay some people based on broadcasting lag differences."

i must be really dumb as i still can't understand what that means?

**Lucas** · 10-26-09, 06:08 PM

there really are the lags
time 0 sec is reality
approx + 2 sec is terrestrical tv, that is no more used
+4 sec is digital and cable tv
+10 sec can be satelite tv

the guy is right, 10 sec is not nice but fair, UNLESS they take the advantage of the 10 sec and beat you with it (turnovers, long passes etc...)

**BigDaddy** · 10-26-09, 06:10 PM

well i have time warner cable

digitial

and he says "some" so how do they determine some?

**Lucas** · 10-26-09, 06:17 PM

i do not know
but even pinnacle has/had 10 sec delay with soccer, because they were probably watching at curacao... and you could see that linesmaker was taking the odds OTB many seconds after the goal

that is also reason, why they offer live only at pauses i guess, 3 yrs back both pinny and greek offered live betting for whole match but they changed it... the reason was not that they want low volume, the reason were the pastposts

maybe betphoenix might offer the delay only while the game is running, and remove it between kickoffs and punts, i guess it can be a feasible goal

**betphoenix** · 10-26-09, 06:22 PM

Trust me BigDaddy we want to book you. That is not the issue. It is a technical restriction we have no control of.