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**durito** · 10-26-09, 11:29 AM

Those are standard rules.

**Coming Back!** · 10-26-09, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by durito

Those are standard rules.

What kind of book gives you no option to withdraw between $3,001 thru $4,999. There are exceptions to every rule. This is business. Bookmaker just lost alot of money for not making an exception for a rollover. This is actually great for me, because my account is closed and now I can't make anger bets on my credit card. I actually have to go and load up my ********. I saved myself a small fortune. By the way, I lost over $30,000, this year. They can't make an exception. I don't need them. I told that bitch, you'll never see another cent from me. And it felt good.

**MichaelC** · 10-26-09, 11:47 AM

Hold on...Just to clarify:

"Thegreek tells me they would transfer funds back to bookmaker for free. I call bookmaker and the Manager- Niki, tells me I would have to do a rollover before I requset a withdrawal."

Does this mean you had already pulled your bankroll off of Bookmaker and then transferred it back to them from CRIS?

**chrisnico** · 10-26-09, 12:05 PM

i was thinking same thing something is not clear

**Coming Back!** · 10-26-09, 12:15 PM

Originally posted by MichaelC

Hold on...Just to clarify:

"Thegreek tells me they would transfer funds back to bookmaker for free. I call bookmaker and the Manager- Niki, tells me I would have to do a rollover before I requset a withdrawal."

Does this mean you had already pulled your bankroll off of Bookmaker and then transferred it back to them from CRIS?

Sorry, let me clarify, I thought that might of been a little confusing. BM transfered funds to thegreek. I called thegreek to do a withdrawal and they told me about the 4 time rollover. Thegreek offered to transfer the funds back to bookmaker for free. I told thegreek not to do the transfer just yet becasue I wanted to call bookmkaker to explain my situation. I asked the manager at bookmkaker if I could do a immediate withdrawal if I did a book to book back to Bookmaker. The manager at BM told me, No, and that I would have to do a 1 time rollover if the funds that were now at thegreek were placed back into my BM account. At that point, I explained to Nikki the manager, that it was an honest mistake and that I lost alot of money this year and that I was a solid customer. She said no exceptions. I said, fine, close my account. Now, I'm stuck with $4,000 at thegreek and a 4 time rollover. I could of transfered the money back to CRIS, and had a 1 time rollover, but based on principle, I'd rather have a 4 time roolover at thegreek than ever do business with BM again.

**michael777** · 10-26-09, 12:21 PM

standard rules guy, you have no beef

**Coming Back!** · 10-26-09, 12:23 PM

I'm going balls out with the $4,000, and once it's gone. I'm done with this online bullshit. That's for sure. It's a scam. CRIS is supposed to be top tier. But they don't have a withdrawal method from $3,001 thru $4,999. **** them. All I do is lose, and when I win I get screwed. The biggest mistake in my life was getting involved with this bullshit. I learned the hard way. At least the mafia ****ing pays you when you win. There's no rollover. I mean, what a joke

**Coming Back!** · 10-26-09, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by michael777

standard rules guy, you have no beef

Ok, I disagree. This all happened because there is no payout method between $3,001 thru $5,000. You know why? Because it's a scam. I unknowingly put myself in a situation w a 4 time rollover based upon that bullshit rule. Bookmaker is A plus book?

**JoshW** · 10-26-09, 12:36 PM

With fewer withdrawal options (often based on government laws), comes situations like this. Ideally you would have some option in the 4k range, but it is not unreasonable for a book to offer a couple withdrawal options, that might not fully cover every amount.

**acarmelo1** · 10-26-09, 12:46 PM

you can blame your goverment for those withdraw limit

You can get up to 10k with moneybooker in any sportsbook, only catch is you can not live in the usa.

**MichaelC** · 10-26-09, 12:46 PM

I know this is hindsight, but couldn't you have made two withdrawals?

**Coming Back!** · 10-26-09, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by JoshW

With fewer withdrawal options (often based on government laws), comes situations like this. Ideally you would have some option in the 4k range, but it is not unreasonable for a book to offer a couple withdrawal options, that might not fully cover every amount.

That's fine Josh, and you guys are really good. But, I made an honest mistake. Now my $4,000 is held hostage. BM couldn't of made an exception. I wasn't even asking for the $100 transfer fee, just a withdrawal without a rollover. I was a really good customer for years bro. Lost my balls. They just can't do it. Terrible business, because I closed my BM account. It's a shame. Honestly though, I will save $$$ in the long run, becasue the CC option was killing me. And what's w the 4 time rollover at thegreek. I mean, that's a little excessive. Wouls you agree?

**BigDaddy** · 10-26-09, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by michael777

standard rules guy, you have no beef

his situation is far from standard.

as a player can't you see that?

the guy justs want his 4k from bookmaker and he can't get it without jumping thru hoops.

that is sad

betphoenix can send me 4k in under 4 days
greek can also
betjam can also

etc...

why cant bookmaker send this guy 4k

100 transfer fee and we stick up for this book

LOL!

they are crooks.

**Coming Back!** · 10-26-09, 12:51 PM

Originally posted by MichaelC

I know this is hindsight, but couldn't you have made two withdrawals?

I would of, but I didn't know about this 4 time rollover requirement at thegreek. I thought, I could just get all the money out from thegreek and call it a day. Never in a million years would I thought I had to roll it over after a book to book. It didn't even occur to me and I've been doing this for years

**tltaylor89** · 10-26-09, 12:51 PM

You should have just been patient and withdrew the money its not that hard to roll over 4000 just do it slowly and before you know it youre 16 k richer calling the Greek asking for a payout.

**tltaylor89** · 10-26-09, 12:53 PM

I think Bookmaker shouldent be rated this high maybe B+ with all the stall tactics they use.

**Coming Back!** · 10-26-09, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by BigDaddy

his situation is far from standard.

as a player can't you see that?

the guy justs want his 4k from bookmaker and he can't get it without jumping thru hoops.

that is sad

betphoenix can send me 4k in under 4 days
greek can also
betjam can also

etc...

why cant bookmaker send this guy 4k

100 transfer fee and we stick up for this book

LOL!

they are crooks.

Thank You Sir. Now my $4,000 is held hostage at thegreek w a 4 time rollover. I'm a working guy. That alot of money! The sad part is, even if I somehow beat this rollover w money left (which is almost impossible), I don't even feel confident that I will get paid anymore. I'm done when this $$$ is gone. I can promise you guys that!!!

**acarmelo1** · 10-26-09, 12:56 PM

Maybe you can withray without making the rollover. Do they have a fee for that? I know legends charge 10% if you do not complete the rollover requirmet, but they still pay you just 10% less

**Coming Back!** · 10-26-09, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by tltaylor89

You should have just been patient and withdrew the money its not that hard to roll over 4000 just do it slowly and before you know it youre 16 k richer calling the Greek asking for a payout.

I'll do my best...

**Coming Back!** · 10-26-09, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by acarmelo1

Maybe you can withray without making the rollover. Do they have a fee for that? I know Legends charge 10% if you do not complete the rollover requirmet, but they still pay you just 10% less

I'm calling right now and asking. Nope, she said NO!

**msdw1** · 10-26-09, 02:21 PM

I understand your frustration. I have learned about new rules negatively affecting me when it was too late. Check all the rules before you even deposit. If there is any gray area, then contact them for clarification. I have avoided many highly-rated SBR books simply because they have sketchy deposit/withdrawal rules or they don't even explain them clearly.

I would have recommended making 2 withdrawals from BM but I have been burned by BM's bad checks. Some claim that it's not BM's fault -- it's their processor's fault. I don't agree because I don't hear about bad checks from other highly-rated books. They should find a new processor. Well-run companies should not risk their reputations by relying on questionable companies.

**michael777** · 10-26-09, 02:34 PM

WTF????? what is so hard about meeting a rollover!!!!! you have nba starting tomorrow,you have nfl,ncaa football!! WTF!!! you guys want free payouts,reduced juice,bonus,no rollover,blah blah blah,MAKE SOME GOD DAMN BETS AND SHUT THE **** UP YOU BUNCH OF CRYBABIES!!!,i have bet virtually everyday since 1971,it ain't hard,make a god damn bet and be happy!!!

**acarmelo1** · 10-26-09, 02:37 PM

Look at the bright side, now you do not have to deposit any more money in a long time Coming Back

**maersksealand** · 10-26-09, 02:42 PM

Yes, Bookmaker have their rules...but you could just ask them for $3000 now and another $1000 next Monday.

But I understand your point, where the **** all the common sense go ? After you lost 30K they should be a little bit more flexible. Did you called the Payout Department ? Those idiots at the CS are useless...you need to go straight to the Payout Dep. or ask to speak to a Manager...and don't get ANGRY, when you get angry in dealing with CS you lose.

**shantystar** · 10-26-09, 02:46 PM

plenty of complains about bookmaker here,anyway i think some replies clear your mind as every bookie have standard roll over rules you have to follow them.

**Coming Back!** · 10-26-09, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by michael777

WTF????? what is so hard about meeting a rollover!!!!! you have nba starting tomorrow,you have nfl,ncaa football!! WTF!!! you guys want free payouts,reduced juice,bonus,no rollover,blah blah blah,MAKE SOME GOD DAMN BETS AND SHUT THE **** UP YOU BUNCH OF CRYBABIES!!!,i have bet virtually everyday since 1971,it ain't hard,make a god damn bet and be happy!!!

I don't want free payouts, bonuses, or free anything. I just want to get paid when I ****ing win. That's all I want. I'll tell you what I don't want. I don't want to be told that I can't withdraw $4,000 bc there is no method. That's what I don't want.

**Coming Back!** · 10-26-09, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by maersksealand

Yes, Bookmaker have their rules...but you could just ask them for $3000 now and another $1000 next Monday.

But I understand your point, where the **** all the common sense go ? After you lost 30K they should be a little bit more flexible. Did you called the Payout Department ? Those idiots at the CS are useless...you need to go straight to the Payout Dep. or ask to speak to a Manager...and don't get ANGRY, when you get angry in dealing with CS you lose.

Been there, done that. I closed out my account. This so called manager was a complete dodo

**Cferrat** · 10-26-09, 03:39 PM

I am in this business and I have to agree with "coming back", there is no reson why they should put those poor assed restrictions on money that was won fair and square...as far as charging for transfers to other books, now that is low especialy from a large book like that..there is no personal attention there, if I had a guy that has lost with me and he asked for money when he won. I would not hesitate, he would have it..I can understand the rollover at the greek but if they give you a rollover shouldn't they give you a bonus? This is not good business.

but they can afford it I guess....

**CollegePro** · 10-27-09, 05:05 AM

Originally posted by Cferrat

I am in this business and I have to agree with "coming back", there is no reson why they should put those poor assed restrictions on money that was won fair and square...as far as charging for transfers to other books, now that is low especialy from a large book like that..there is no personal attention there, if I had a guy that has lost with me and he asked for money when he won. I would not hesitate, he would have it..I can understand the rollover at the greek but if they give you a rollover shouldn't they give you a bonus? This is not good business.

but they can afford it I guess....

nope...they don't need to give you bonus for rollover. thegreek is just trying to protect themselves from customers who wants to take advantage of their fast payout system.

**Santo** · 10-27-09, 05:19 AM

The problem The Greek has that books like Bet911 don't is that if they didn't have these restrictions they would essentially become a payments clearing house for the industry, which they have no desire to be for obvious reasons.

**RoagBettor** · 10-27-09, 06:34 AM

I think the bigger issue to address now is your play selection. If you want to actually win money and get that 30K back and more, there are some great cappers here at SBR (especially in the soccer and NBA forums) who you can tail and actually make a profit.

I'm just sayin'.

Good luck.

**JoshW** · 10-27-09, 09:10 AM

Slow down. Find out details before you act. If you do that, you wouldn't be in this situation. The 4x rollover at The Greek is well known here and can be found in many threads if you search. Certainly before one does a book to book transfer you need to check with both books on terms. On face, one has to know that if you do a transfer, you have to expect some type of rollover.

**Coming Back!** · 10-27-09, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by JoshW

Slow down. Find out details before you act. If you do that, you wouldn't be in this situation. The 4x rollover at The Greek is well known here and can be found in many threads if you search. Certainly before one does a book to book transfer you need to check with both books on terms. On face, one has to know that if you do a transfer, you have to expect some type of rollover.

Yeah, now that I'm calm, I realize I should of gotten the details. I have no issue with thegreek at all at this point. They have to protect themselves or they would be over loaded w payout requests. That's fine. However, I do have 2 issues with Bookmaker and I'm happy I closed my account with them. The first issue is not having a payout method for between $3000- $5000. The idea of getting a $3000 check and waiting 7 days for another payout request is unacceptable to me. That's not A+. Additionally, when I explained my situation with BM, they should of offered me a one time exception and not tell me I need to do a rollover for doing a book to book back to them. I clearly made a honest mistake. It's common sense. I'm a good customer and if your going to treat me like a $5 player, I could take my action somewhere else. I'm not saying I'm a big shot, but I'm defidently in the high recreational category. Thanks for your response Josh.

**tblues2005** · 10-27-09, 10:09 AM

Coming Back!,

I would have closed out my account with them also because it is horrible not have a method of payout for $3,000 to $5,000. I think you will be happy with the greek and I hope that you do a 4x rollover without losing too much. I think you will be pleased with the greek on how they handle things also. You will get paid from them when you win and after the rollover is finished and they will not do what bookmaker did to you either. As long as you are a good customer the greek will treat you right. I am with their sister site Bet Jamaica and they even have a debit card that you can withdrawal from and that would even be better than the greek is in my opinion. For higher end players you will be better off with the greek.