Fairlay currently stealing my btc, 6 figures

[degen1]

I think it's a reasonable to guess at this point that some of the coins deposited were stolen. Not necessarily by the OP, of course.

If so, it really goes to show how much more traceable crypto is than fiat currency. If you receive a large amount of crypto that is reported to you as stolen, what do you do? Sounds like Fairlay is trying to cooperate with an investigation and/or conducting their own. Generally, when you're being investigated, you're the last to know, so it would make sense that the OP is being kept in the dark by everyone.

Entirely possible that the Op is 100% innocent, of course. Fairlay might just be grabbing the funds for petty reasons for all I know. But this certainly looks like they are cooperating with an investigation of some sort.

I’ve thought about this but also doesn’t make sense, at this point anything could be the reason though

[mrpapageorgio]

That’s kind of the definition of theft/scamming.

It is or it isn't.

And you want them to suffer consequences by letting other people know how they handled it, yet you won't say what they said that was so unprofessional. Between not disclosing their "unprofessional remarks" and not disclosing your theory regarding the 3rd party or why they're holding your deposit is why people are skeptical on here of Fairlay being 100% in the wrong. This coy evasiveness you've demonstrated so far to people on here asking questions is not helping your "goal of going beyond resolution of this specific matter."


On retrospect, BetG should've gotten his deposit back, but at the time I felt like Nicky Santoro in Casino when the dealer was trying to borrow money. "Just tell me you gambled the fukin money and I'll give it to you to put the heat on!" He didn't wanna give us the full story after posting how Fairlay "robbed" him and my sympathy for him went out the window because he couldn't be straight up and admit he was using Fairlay as a washer.

If you bought the Bitcoin legitimately, fine. If you bought the Bitcoin off a black market, but weren't the one stealing it, fine. Just don't get annoyed when people keep prodding you with questions and claiming it's nobody's business, yet you want Fairlay to suffer in PR by telling your story to this forum.

[degen1]

It is or it isn't.

And you want them to suffer consequences by letting other people know how they handled it, yet you won't say what they said that was so unprofessional. Between not disclosing their "unprofessional remarks" and not disclosing your theory regarding the 3rd party or why they're holding your deposit is why people are skeptical on here of Fairlay being 100% in the wrong. This coy evasiveness you've demonstrated so far to people on here asking questions is not helping your "goal of going beyond resolution of this specific matter."

What do you mean it is or it isn’t...

I already answered these questions, the comments are stupid, they were basically just patronizing or threatening and fairly immature. I think I’ve accomplished plenty in illustrating what’s happened while keeping the details pertinent to the matter and what has happened. These other points you outline and prescribe to evasiveness are just petty distractions that are sought after for gossip and satiating dumb curiosity. If those are reasons people are skeptical of me it simply makes no sense bc it doesn’t influence or change the core facts. On the other hand, people who care that Fairlay can seize funds without giving information, seemingly leak data, be thoroughly influenced by third parties to abandon all semblance of customer service and loyalty, and decide to play arbitrator, as you say, should give pause.

[degen1]

It is or it isn't.

And you want them to suffer consequences by letting other people know how they handled it, yet you won't say what they said that was so unprofessional. Between not disclosing their "unprofessional remarks" and not disclosing your theory regarding the 3rd party or why they're holding your deposit is why people are skeptical on here of Fairlay being 100% in the wrong. This coy evasiveness you've demonstrated so far to people on here asking questions is not helping your "goal of going beyond resolution of this specific matter."


On retrospect, BetG should've gotten his deposit back, but at the time I felt like Nicky Santoro in Casino when the dealer was trying to borrow money. "Just tell me you gambled the fukin money and I'll give it to you to put the heat on!" He didn't wanna give us the full story after posting how Fairlay "robbed" him and my sympathy for him went out the window because he couldn't be straight up and admit he was using Fairlay as a washer.

If you bought the Bitcoin legitimately, fine. If you bought the Bitcoin off a black market, but weren't the one stealing it, fine. Just don't get annoyed when people keep prodding you with questions and claiming it's nobody's business, yet you want Fairlay to suffer in PR by telling your story to this forum.

You’re changing your point am I being coy and evasive or am I just getting annoyed? I can be plenty annoyed and post on my own terms, it’s a forum and it’s the internet. Same way you can be thematically cynical on this thread. Your point serves a counterpoint all the same. I can have my cake and eat it too.

[Legions36]

You’re changing your point am I being coy and evasive or am I just getting annoyed? I can be plenty annoyed and post on my own terms, it’s a forum and it’s the internet. Same way you can be thematically cynical on this thread. Your point serves a counterpoint all the same. I can have my cake and eat it too.

I still can't believe how some people in this thread still think its ok for a book to steal someones btc deposit, without cause. Even if they pay u how can anyone want to play anymore with them. No standup book would do this to people. Even SBR is getting impatient. Yet after all this time people still yelling in your face, seriously what kind of scam can someone run by simply depositing btc.

[TheMoneyShot]

So... if I'm understanding Fairlay's view on this....

They are sort of claiming.... if a client used a CC at a book.... for a deposit... and that player did a CBACK on the card... they would take out the funds from the players acct?

Same thing as a Bitcoin.... if they conclude that the deposit was actually from something fraudulent... they can withhold the Bitcoin... and naturally take the Bitcoin out of the Player's Acct?

Hmmmm....

[littlekona]

I still can't believe how some people in this thread still think its ok for a book to steal someones btc deposit, without cause. Even if they pay u how can anyone want to play anymore with them. No standup book would do this to people. Even SBR is getting impatient. Yet after all this time people still yelling in your face, seriously what kind of scam can someone run by simply depositing btc.

We see investigations where funds are frozen and limited details available all the time from all sorts of books many of which are regulated like bet365. I think we can all agree that this is not just some random act and the OP did something shady somewhere and got caught. Now the question is did Fairlay act appropriate by freezing funds. Until the facts come out from SBR or makes statement we will never know since we all trust SBR but have our own individual biases against either Fairlay or Degen. We all know there are as many or more scammer punters as there are scam sportsbooks...See there is my bias here

[littlekona]

So... if I'm understanding Fairlay's view on this....

They are sort of claiming.... if a client used a CC at a book.... for a deposit... and that player did a CBACK on the card... they would take out the funds from the players acct?

Same thing as a Bitcoin.... if they conclude that the deposit was actually from something fraudulent... they can withhold the Bitcoin... and naturally take the Bitcoin out of the Player's Acct?

Hmmmm....

No one knows but SBR and FAirlay. That is just one possibility I guess BUT who knows....This case gets stranger and stranger

[raiders72001]

We see investigations where funds are frozen and limited details available all the time from all sorts of books many of which are regulated like bet365. I think we can all agree that this is not just some random act and the OP did something shady somewhere and got caught. Now the question is did Fairlay act appropriate by freezing funds. Until the facts come out from SBR or makes statement we will never know since we all trust SBR but have our own individual biases against either Fairlay or Degen. We all know there are as many or more scammer punters as there are scam sportsbooks...See there is my bias here

Name one book with a license in Costa Rica? Name the fiat books where funds were frozen without a court order or reason given? Fairlay is unique.

[littlekona]

Name one book with a license in Costa Rica? Name the fiat books where funds were frozen without a court order or reason given? Fairlay is unique.

Im not sure of the Costa Rica thing but happens at AC88 upline exchanges all the time and I have seen Nitrogen Freeze too...Books that supposedly are heavly UK regulated happens all the time too....No explanation just investigation many times including too me a few but fortunate I am just run of mil gambling junkie

BTW if you head to the Q or dubuque on a saturday/sunday let me know and Ill meet u there. I see they are running the greyhound track too. I have not been there for like 5+ years

[TwitchySeal]

Yeah I think I am still trying to settle this in good faith and exposing immature and unprofessional comments doesn't help me, you're just snooping. Also now you've basically just conceded that by not disclosing that information has nothing to do with my "shadiness" and that you just want to know for your own personal curiosity.

I'm most curious about why you are being intentionally vague on so many details, including your communications with them. I think the most likely reason is that sharing these details would make you look less innocent somehow.

If you're as innocent and confused as you claim, just post your complete communications with them (with personal details redacted), post the bitcoin tx ID of your last deposit, tell us how much money they are holding, and your bet history.

[raiders72001]

Im not sure of the Costa Rica thing but happens at AC88 upline exchanges all the time and I have seen Nitrogen Freeze too...Books that supposedly are heavly UK regulated happens all the time too....No explanation just investigation many times including too me a few but fortunate I am just run of mil gambling junkie

BTW if you head to the Q or dubuque on a saturday/sunday let me know and Ill meet u there. I see they are running the greyhound track too. I have not been there for like 5+ years

I definitely would have met you if I were still in Iowa. Next week sportsbooks open in Indiana so I'll probably check that out.

[littlekona]

I definitely would have met you if I were still in Iowa. Next week sportsbooks open in Indiana so I'll probably check that out.

Im about 1 45 mins away from Hammond go to horseshoe for poker few times a year....Nice place

[Legions36]

I'm most curious about why you are being intentionally vague on so many details, including your communications with them. I think the most likely reason is that sharing these details would make you look less innocent somehow.

If you're as innocent and confused as you claim, just post your complete communications with them (with personal details redacted), post the bitcoin tx ID of your last deposit, tell us how much money they are holding, and your bet history.

Has anyone even welcomed you to SBR yet?

[TwitchySeal]

Has anyone even welcomed you to SBR yet?

Ha, no.

I've lurked for a long time and have been pretty active on bitcointalk for a while.

[ichiro4thehall]

Degen1, I'd stop responding to posters who attack you. This thread has gotten as polarized as US politics.

I'd like to state something very important: Unless it is written unambiguously in Fairlay's terms and conditions OR in the terms of any relevant regulator then Fairlay has ZERO right to hold onto OP's funds.

It does not matter if the OP is El Chapo, if he's the world's biggest bitcoin thief, if he molests children, if he's Donald Trump, or if he's the devil himself. If he has not broken any of the terms he's bound by, Fairlay needs to return his money.

Morality has absolutely no relevance to this thread.

[littlekona]

Degen1, I'd stop responding to posters who attack you. This thread has gotten as polarized as US politics.

I'd like to state something very important: Unless it is written unambiguously in Fairlay's terms and conditions OR in the terms of any relevant regulator then Fairlay has ZERO right to hold onto OP's funds.

It does not matter if the OP is El Chapo, if he's the world's biggest bitcoin thief, if he molests children, if he's Donald Trump, or if he's the devil himself. If he has not broken any of the terms he's bound by, Fairlay needs to return his money.

Morality has absolutely no relevance to this thread.

Fairlay LLC holds a zero tolerance fraud policy, and is taking all measures possible to prevent it. Any fraudulent activity will be documented and all related accounts to it will be immediately closed. All funds in these accounts will be forfeited.

[littlekona]

Fairlay LLC holds a zero tolerance fraud policy, and is taking all measures possible to prevent it. Any fraudulent activity will be documented and all related accounts to it will be immediately closed. All funds in these accounts will be forfeited.

plus lots more AML stuff ect ect....


here is what Nitrogen says
"You will not cause any transactions to be made at Nitrogen Sports that are not in good faith in an attempt to defraud the company, regardless of whether or not it causes us harm. If Nitrogen Sports believes that any customer has intentionally acted in bad faith or has engaged in fraudulent activity, Nitrogen Sports reserves the right to take any steps necessary. Nitrogen Sports has the right to cancel any bet perceived to be placed in a fraudulent manner in order to circumvent our bet limits and/or system regulations. In the event that your account receives funds in error, Nitrogen Sports reserves the rights to recover these funds at any time."

[TwitchySeal]

Degen1, I'd stop responding to posters who attack you. This thread has gotten as polarized as US politics.

I'd like to state something very important: Unless it is written unambiguously in Fairlay's terms and conditions OR in the terms of any relevant regulator then Fairlay has ZERO right to hold onto OP's funds.

It does not matter if the OP is El Chapo, if he's the world's biggest bitcoin thief, if he molests children, if he's Donald Trump, or if he's the devil himself. If he has not broken any of the terms he's bound by, Fairlay needs to return his money.

Morality has absolutely no relevance to this thread.

What should they do if a third party warned them that his deposits were sent from an address controlled by someone who was involved in a bunch of double spend glitch exploits in the past across multiple books, including Fairlay? This is something that has happened in the past.

Or some other exploit that we don't even know exists.

That's why him refusing to share basic info about his accusations should raise red flags.

[ichiro4thehall]

Fairlay LLC holds a zero tolerance fraud policy, and is taking all measures possible to prevent it. Any fraudulent activity will be documented and all related accounts to it will be immediately closed. All funds in these accounts will be forfeited.

Can you link me to where this is stated in Fairlay's terms?

[littlekona]

Can you link me to where this is stated in Fairlay's terms?

go to terms on main page

also FYI here is more from Nitro
In case fraudulent, illegal or invalid activity is identified on the account(s), Nitrogen reserves the right to seize any winnings or balances from said account(s). Account(s) will be suspended, any pending bets voided and all illicit funds collected. Fraudulent activity includes but is not limited to: using unfair external factors, unfair advantages, duplicate account(s), collusion, syndicate betting, chip dumping, soft-playing, bonus abuse, betting both sides, unconfirmed deposits, past-post betting, betting on bad lines, fraudulent rake-back activity, self-affiliation, exploitation of errors or bugs,and other instances not explicitly mentioned in this rule.

[ichiro4thehall]

[QUOTE=littlekona;28843799]plus lots more AML stuff ect ect....
What stuff? This is Fairlay's AML terms:

13. AML Procedures

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Prohibited Uses: It is prohibited to abuse this Site for purposes of money laundering.

FAIRLAY LLC employs best practice anti-money laundering. FAIRLAY LLC reserves the right to refuse and to terminate any business relationship, and to cancel any operation of customers who do not comply with the requirements of anti-money laundering:

• The earnings will be paid to the person who first registered for an account online.
  
• Users are forbidden to use FAIRLAY LLC platform for money laundering, betting fraud, match fixing, line manipulation or any other illegal activities.
  
• The customer may not, under any circumstances, create multiple accounts in order to defraud Fairlay LLC. Accounts created to defraud Fairlay LLC will be cancelled and/ or those accounts permanently closed.
  
• If Fairlay LLC suspects any user to be involved in any of the outlined forbidden activities, it may suspend that user's account and withdrawals until the identity and residency of the user is established.

This says two relevant things. If you are trying to launder money you can't use Fairlay and we'll return your money. Also, we will keep your money until you can prove your identity and residence. I'm confident OP has proven that to Fairlay already, or could do if asked.

[ichiro4thehall]

go to terms on main page

also FYI here is more from Nitro
In case fraudulent, illegal or invalid activity is identified on the account(s), Nitrogen reserves the right to seize any winnings or balances from said account(s). Account(s) will be suspended, any pending bets voided and all illicit funds collected. Fraudulent activity includes but is not limited to: using unfair external factors, unfair advantages, duplicate account(s), collusion, syndicate betting, chip dumping, soft-playing, bonus abuse, betting both sides, unconfirmed deposits, past-post betting, betting on bad lines, fraudulent rake-back activity, self-affiliation, exploitation of errors or bugs,and other instances not explicitly mentioned in this rule.

Are you serious? Do you really think Nitrogen's terms have any relevance here?

[ichiro4thehall]

What should they do if a third party warned them that his deposits were sent from an address controlled by someone who was involved in a bunch of double spend glitch exploits in the past across multiple books, including Fairlay? This is something that has happened in the past.

Or some other exploit that we don't even know exists.

That's why him refusing to share basic info about his accusations should raise red flags.

Respond by saying we have sympathy for you but are powerless to help. The owners of the sites with glitches are wholly responsible for their errors, and then allowing withdrawals of monies gained unfairly by errors.

[littlekona]

Are you serious? Do you really think Nitrogen's terms have any relevance here?

very similar to Fairlay and other books is all....Just because these books are btc held doesn't mean thieves are welcome....

[ichiro4thehall]

very similar to Fairlay and other books is all....Just because these books are btc held doesn't mean thieves are welcome....

You couldn't have stated more beautifully and succinctly that which we disagree on most.

THIEVES ARE WELCOME. In law, or most western law, let's say, anything that is not illegal is legal - or in our situation anything not outlawed in the terms is permissible. No where does Fairlay state thieves are not welcome, ergo they are welcome.

[mrpapageorgio]

What do you mean it is or it isn’t...

I already answered these questions, the comments are stupid, they were basically just patronizing or threatening and fairly immature. I think I’ve accomplished plenty in illustrating what’s happened while keeping the details pertinent to the matter and what has happened. These other points you outline and prescribe to evasiveness are just petty distractions that are sought after for gossip and satiating dumb curiosity. If those are reasons people are skeptical of me it simply makes no sense bc it doesn’t influence or change the core facts. On the other hand, people who care that Fairlay can seize funds without giving information, seemingly leak data, be thoroughly influenced by third parties to abandon all semblance of customer service and loyalty, and decide to play arbitrator, as you say, should give pause.

It’s either the definition of theft or it isn’t. There’s no, “he kinda stole my car.”

The other points are relevant. The unprofessional remarks are your opinion without any proof they actually are and could appear to be straight business verbiage but is being read through your own potential bias that it is unprofessional. If you want to embarrass them, come out with the comments. You’re right the third party is all a guessing game, but at the same time, don’t add to the curiosity and gossip you’re saying this is all what it is and say you have a theory if you don’t want people talking about it. That is where you appear evasive because you’re advertising you have a theory that may help comprehend why Fairlay is doing this and yet when people ask, you don’t want to disclose it and are getting upset when people are calling out your evasiveness on the subject.

Short of the claim being from a court or government agency, you should get your bitcoin back because otherwise it is not their business. However, none of us know except SBR and are just guessing.

As I said before, you want to take your case to the court of public opinion, fine. But at the same time, be ready for the cross examination and don’t get upset when you don’t like the questions. You could have easily let SBR handle this quietly and then advertise what Fairlay has done after this was (or appears to never be) resolved, but you came here wanting to pressure Fairlay by going public.

[Ant23]

some of you may as well be standing on a corner yelling "I'm a shill for book ●●●●......fill in the blank. Kona seems to love Fairlay as much as his significant other.......shill?

[degen1]

It feels like people don't really read the full thread or just dont understand, I don't really feel like repeating myself again though. All the answers to your questions are in here somewhere. BOL in your endeavors

[TwitchySeal]

It feels like people don't really read the full thread or just dont understand, I don't really feel like repeating myself again though. All the answers to your questions are in here somewhere. BOL in your endeavors

No. I've read every word in this thread ( as well as both your threads on bitcointalk)

Here are a few requests you've pretty much ignored:

1) post your complete communications with fairlay (with personal details redacted)
2) post the bitcoin tx ID of your last deposit
3) exactly how much of your money is Fairlay holding
4) Share your bet history.

[degen1]

No. I've read every word in this thread ( as well as both your threads on bitcointalk)

Here are a few requests you've pretty much ignored:

1) post your complete communications with fairlay (with personal details redacted)
2) post the bitcoin tx ID of your last deposit
3) exactly how much of your money is Fairlay holding
4) Share your bet history.

I dont understand how any of these things help accomplish anything, and yeah I do choose to keep my privacy about them

1.) there are hundreds of emails just saying "are there updates, can you tell me why" "no, sorry" and then me reasoning but getting ignored
2.) this would be so stupid to do, do you know how bitcoin works? This is irrelevant too b/c the transaction is not in question they confirmed that and if you doubt it you can bring it up with them.
3.) also irrelevant, and i've hinted it's six figures, dont know why exact amount would matter any more or any less
4.) just normal bets on major sports

this is all i will indulge, logic of why any of this would inform or matter any more or any less is lost on me and i'm sorry for that, I hope you find your joy somewhere else, and if it makes you happier to write me off then that's all good with me too you're the man

[moojoo]

Any update by SBR?

[Optional]

Any update by SBR?

We reached out to Fairlay again last week and have had no reply as yet.

[TwitchySeal]

I dont understand how any of these things help accomplish anything, and yeah I do choose to keep my privacy about them

1.) there are hundreds of emails just saying "are there updates, can you tell me why" "no, sorry" and then me reasoning but getting ignored
2.) this would be so stupid to do, do you know how bitcoin works? This is irrelevant too b/c the transaction is not in question they confirmed that and if you doubt it you can bring it up with them.
3.) also irrelevant, and i've hinted it's six figures, dont know why exact amount would matter any more or any less
4.) just normal bets on major sports

this is all i will indulge, logic of why any of this would inform or matter any more or any less is lost on me and i'm sorry for that, I hope you find your joy somewhere else, and if it makes you happier to write me off then that's all good with me too you're the man

Yes, I do know how bitcoin works. I'm actually pretty good at analyzing transactions.

If you share the transaction ID, I could check and see if your transaction is in any way related to known scammers or double spends - which could actually answer some of your questions.
This stuff is all relevant. Just post the details and maybe I can help, or find someone else who can help.

[Okocha]

We reached out to Fairlay again last week and have had no reply as yet.

Another book i had as tier 1 in what safety concerns goes down the toilet.this industry
is becoming a joke.
I wish everyone was like CRIS