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Is degen1 still around? Are we still waiting on the official word? This is taking way too long lolComment -
This was degen's last postLooks like they are trying to quiet degen while trying to figure out a way to save face.Fairlay asked me to give a response on their behalf which I am giving in good faith in hopes of resolving this faster and somewhat amicably.
They say my account was flagged “based on credible information provided by a third party.” They claim "Of course no third party has the ability to flag accounts directly."
Fairlay says that they guarantee that my entire deposit will be returned to me, a law enforcement agency or an address determined by a court or law enforcement agency when the investigation of my case is completed which shall be no later than December 31st 2019. So by the end of the year they say they will no longer be in posession of my frozen funds.
It’s not the most encouraging information given that I may have to wait 6 months and still don’t know what’s going on, but there it isComment -
This is so bad on Fairlay's behalf. I have withdrawn my balance and will not play there again.
From degen1's last post it now seems likely to me the third party is a US authority of some sort. None to my knowledge should have any jurisdiction over Fairlay.
The key part of degen1's last post which Fairlay needs to clarify is this: 'my entire deposit will be returned to me, a law enforcement agency or an address determined by a court or law enforcement agency.'
Can Fairlay confirm that it will only hand over the money to a law enforcement agency or court whose jurisdiction it is under?
Can it confirm what jurisdictions it is under, if any, apart from Costa Rica?
And, can Fairlay confirm it is not under the jurisdiction of the US Government and therefore will not release any player's funds to a US law enforcement agency or US court.
A scandal like this would not hurt most sportsbooks. But Fairlay has a much more savvy and informed customer base than most books. They should reveal all information about this case immediately if they have any hope of rescuing their reputation.
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I know just what's been posted here, in troll and other btc forums....OP SBR and Fairlay will not share full details during "investigation" we are just getting bits and pieces that help each party the best.
What we do know is that the last deposit made was held BUT sent clean coins direct from an exchange. BUT the account seems to of been flagged prior to that....Can Degen advise us where the previous deposits came from? Have you ever sent direct from another book(as I do all the time this) or another site outside of an exchange?
My guess is it's not the US Government but involves either some sort of fraud within the offshore sports book community or a hack and or stolen coins and the owner traced to Fairlay somehowComment -
It is a sportsbook's responsibility prior to authorising a withdrawal or sending money direct to another book - can this even be done on Fairlay? - to make sure they have carried out whatever security checks they deem necessary.
Once the player has his money then deposits it at another book then, unless stipulated in the regulator's terms, the first sportsbook has zero rights to ask the second sportsbook to freeze funds etc.Comment -
I agree too that books have zero right to ask anther book 99% of time....The only case where it may be OK is if fraud was committed against another user....Say I hack your Nitrogen account and send 50K to my wallet or a wallet within a book I use. Nitro traces figures out it was me and trace me to Fairlay.....Within a situation I would say it would be ok...Now if it was a bad line or a regrade then absolute not that is books fault they need to eat it...BTW the only reason I bring up another book is because of OP and his "small guess" that it was another book...Comment -
Only two real possibilities:
1) The OP is one of the worldwide leaders in organized crime, and Fairlay is doing its part to help bring him to justice.
2) Something less than this is going on, and Fairlay is establishing that once you send them BTC, they will confiscate it if someone or entity who ever touched your coins decides they want them back.
99.9% chance it's #2.Comment -
Can confirm have never done anything in organized crime or terrorism, or any crime..Comment -
Thanks to everyone, if anyone feels so compelled feel free to e-mail their support/points at vip@fairlay.com, or their ceo at gabriel@doiim.com or just in their chat called the trollbox (no need for an account to post). Not sure if we've gotten any progress to be honest, but at least more responsesComment -
If I wager in BTC now... it will be with Nitrogen.Comment -
As books??? Or funds???
I used to love Fairlay. Had no issues with them 6-7 PO's with no problems. (Lines are typically identical to Pinnacle.) But, with this newest incident... not worth the risk of them holding onto my funds... and making up rules on the fly.
As for funds... at this time... I don't feel comfortable with BTC.... rather have it in USD.Comment -
You should get agent account through AC88 as you get pinny but with fast as hell payouts 7 days a week via btc they are great ....but come on the 2 issue that have occurred in 4 years at Fairlay are total outliners and guys both have had circumstances that are well beyond the norm...us normal guys are perfectly fine at Fairlay as we are at Nitrogen who btw has had way more issues then Fairlay....books like cloudbet are ones to avoid...Comment -
I don't think the circumstances are well beyond the norm. I would say that a book playing cop is beyond the norm. 6 figure payouts have been paid by Nitrogen and Nitrogen will never turn someone in to authorities without a court order. Has any book ever turned a player in without a court order?
I can't see a court order being in place since degen doesn't know about it and the coins weren't frozen at an exchange. It's all speculation but if Fairlay, on their own without a court order, turned degen1 in for tainted coins, another book's complaints or any other reason, it's robbery. Did Fairlay start some type of legal action on their own? That would even be worse since it's intrusive to degen1 and could be destructive.Comment -
Well for sure Betg was well beyond the norm and I mean well beyond....degen we don’t know for sure what the hell the real story is but something out of norm happened.....Ive see guys daily wagering 5 figures at Fairlay for years and with all the time and effort they have put into building the site and good rep something very serious had to triggered this.....but I will say that holding funds until 12/31 is beyond resonable time frame...it should be done quicker unless good reason was given that we do not knowComment -
This shit is so sad lol, going on three weeks and I’m none the wiser. No signs of progress nor an end in sight, not even a next step to takeComment -
Been monitoring this thread(just reading), I gotta say this situation seems to go along the idea- "we can seize his funds and profit off him since it's in the 6 figures and only 1 person. This may have a small side effect on future operations, but we know that we can continue, and it will eventually get swept under the rug and forgotten about in the long-run."Comment -
What do you know about degens circumstances. You are just shill for Fairlay. out of your 3000 posts at least 2000 are promoting FL in any possible way. Your word doesnt mean nothing.Comment -
I would lean this way as well. Even if they eventually give his his funds back, at this point they've shown that are very willing to hold other people's BTC hostage. In my experience, once someone has shown he is capable of a behavior, it is only a matter of time before it occurs again.Comment -
Same comment made over and again when they did this to last person.
That player had done the same thing (asked to withdraw without rolling deposit 1x) many times previously there and then without warning they claimed they had some right to confiscate his deposit on about the 40th occasion he asked.
No book has a right to confiscate a deposit or levy a fine.
If Fairlay are acting under some license term or law, they need to be specific about what that is, as nothing they have said makes this instance look any less like outright theft that it looked last time.
I'd hope SBR initiates a rating of BLACKLIST for Fairlay if they do not hurry up and act properly this time..Comment -
Optional did a SBR complaint manager ever talk with Fairlay management? And if yes can they provide any details? I mentioned to Fairlay admin that sbr complaint was filed and they seemed open to discuss case with SBR in private but would not discuss in public troll or btc forum until investigation is over....like Fairlay or hate them we all want a quicker resolution for Degen and Details to why this occurredComment -
Just updating, still have not gotten my funds back, and no sharper idea of why my funds are being withheld. Have neither heard the allegation yet, been provided evidence, and also externally nothing else has happened. Have not been approached by a third party of any sorts and still full and healthy access to exchanges.
Just not sure how my funds can be held without further explanation or why this third party has the power over Fairlay. Additionally, since I never abused the platform and especially since nothing has seemingly been proved against me, I don’t understand why they have deactivated my account and withheld my fundsComment -
Reading between the lines this does not give me confidence degen1 will receive 100 percent of his funds back.
I respect that SBR has agreed to keep the reasons for Fairlay's behaviour confidential at their request while this situation is mediated. But can you confirm if degen1 is not paid in full then you will disclose the reasons Fairlay gave?
Otherwise, it leaves a big loophole for other sportsbooks to use this tactic in future disputes where SBR is trying to help the player retrieve funds that have been held with no reason given.Comment
