Fairlay currently stealing my btc, 6 figures

[Legions36]

It’s only second time ever documented case against that was few years back betg case ....please share what Other case was within last 6 months

6 months, a year, a few years, its all the same, this is the second huge amount issue. You know the other issue I was talking about. This is outright theft. It’s like sending money to W U and the other party just keeping it.

[littlekona]

3rd party? And it was from an exchange to Fairlay? Hmmmm is Fairlay doing that police work again? Do they really think somehow degen1 got the funds somehow illegally? Like a chrg-back? This is very odd. Doesn't make any sense.

I have feeling from language it may be a 3rd party as in a marketmaker to Fairlay I’ve noticed a big market makers not posting markets of late in horses....if it is the case that a market maker has a claim against OP it is a legitimate investigation as the market maker has right or protection from fraud too....will be interesting to see how this turns out..

[degen1]

Fairlay's troll box

Does anyone believe this introduces any information, any new information which I or they haven’t previously already stated? I wouldn’t call them allegations btw especially when the next thing they say is immediately validating that it’s true..lol

[littlekona]

Does anyone believe this introduces any information, any new information which I or they haven’t previously already stated? I wouldn’t call them allegations btw especially when the next thing they say is immediately validating that it’s true..lol

Sucks the waiting and Not providing details but this is common at most every book and agent account not to give any details until investigation complete.....

[degen1]

So
1.) what third parties could it possibly be, given that Fairlay has to investigate upon request
2.) if it’s a market maker, what could I have done wrong? I very honestly cannot even tell you the first thing about what a user could do to manipulate the market or cheat a market maker, or how to properly prove that I didn’t do this. You don’t have to believe that but if you can assume for now and give me the benefit of the doubt/humor me, please help explain the possibilities to me so that I can help provide them whatever I need to.
3.) a sub question - is it possible to have done anything wrong if the only thing I did was use their platform to place picks? There was hardly any overlap between when I started using Fairlay and usage of any other book, with the exception of a handful of parlays as Fairlay does not offer them.

4.) since it’s not the deposit itself, shouldn’t they still give it back to me?

[littlekona]

So
1.) what third parties could it possibly be, given that Fairlay has to investigate upon request
2.) if it’s a market maker, what could I have done wrong? I very honestly cannot even tell you the first thing about what a user could do to manipulate the market or cheat a market maker, or how to properly prove that I didn’t do this. You don’t have to believe that but if you can assume for now and give me the benefit of the doubt/humor me, please help explain the possibilities to me so that I can help provide them whatever I need to.
3.) a sub question - is it possible to have done anything wrong if the only thing I did was use their platform to place picks? There was hardly any overlap between when I started using Fairlay and usage of any other book, with the exception of a handful of parlays as Fairlay does not offer them.

4.) since it’s not the deposit itself, shouldn’t they still give it back to me?

It can be something u did on accident too...It could be a bad line esp if u wager live,match that is being investigated, past post bet, a regrade of a match....you seem to like fairlay prior to this mess and the guys there are not out to scam as its a great job they have done w the platform....i would let this ride out but my sence is its a market maker or developer within the fairlay family that is the 3rd party not any real outsider unless you are moving 100s thousands around in usa then all bets off as patriot act is a bitch

[raiders72001]

Fairlay

the third party is not one of our market makers if that answers your question.

[degen1]

Fairlay

That's at least new information / helpful. We accomplished something here at least. I guess the remaining question, is that what third party could hold such power over Fairlay for them to have to comply, and I don't think it's exchange b/c my stuff is still fine. Also, where does this fall in terms of privacy policy or data disclosure on Fairlay's part, and how does that help answer who the third party could be? If my information is being shared without my consent, then isn't that pretty bad?

Also why the f*** could they not just tell me it wasn't a market maker at least. It makes no sense to be revealing more information to the public than to me..

[degen1]

It can be something u did on accident too...It could be a bad line esp if u wager live,match that is being investigated, past post bet, a regrade of a match....you seem to like fairlay prior to this mess and the guys there are not out to scam as its a great job they have done w the platform....i would let this ride out but my sence is its a market maker or developer within the fairlay family that is the 3rd party not any real outsider unless you are moving 100s thousands around in usa then all bets off as patriot act is a bitch

thanks - seems like this is not the case as they say its not a market matker

[raiders72001]

That's at least new information / helpful. We accomplished something here at least. I guess the remaining question, is that what third party could hold such power over Fairlay for them to have to comply, and I don't think it's exchange b/c my stuff is still fine. Also, where does this fall in terms of privacy policy or data disclosure on Fairlay's part, and how does that help answer who the third party could be? If my information is being shared without my consent, then isn't that pretty bad?

A third party looking into your account without your consent is worrisome to say the least.

[raiders72001]

At one time Fairlay published the address of their cold wallet but that wallet was cleared out 2 years ago. 1EVrCZ3ahUucq3jvAqTTPTZe1tySniXuWi

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1EVrCZ3ahUucq3jvAqTTPTZe1tySniXuWi

[littlekona]

A third party looking into your account without your consent is worrisome to say the least.

this could go many ways i guess and very interesting..I am curious though since OP moves big time funds around and at times direct from exchange to book which makes no sense for a big player could this trigger a CTR report and then open can of worms due to things like the patriot act? We all know BTC is traceable and financial institutions are alot tighter following rules

[degen1]

"at times direct from exchange to book which makes no sense for a big player" can you stop with your stupid passive aggressive shit? It's my right to do whatever the f*** I want, don't pass judgment on it. This still wouldn't make sense anyways, the exchange would have contacted me as well, or done something with my account

[degen1]

At one time Fairlay published the address of their cold wallet but that wallet was cleared out 2 years ago. 1EVrCZ3ahUucq3jvAqTTPTZe1tySniXuWi
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/addre...PTZe1tySniXuWi

What's relevance?

[littlekona]

"at times direct from exchange to book which makes no sense for a big player" can you stop with your stupid passive aggressive shit? It's my right to do whatever the f*** I want, don't pass judgment on it. This still wouldn't make sense anyways, the exchange would have contacted me as well, or done something with my account

you should ask the exchange if they auto generate CTR form for transactions 10K or over

[degen1]

you should ask the exchange if they auto generate CTR form for transactions 10K or over

still wouldn't have anything to do w Fairlay, especially without notification to me.

[raiders72001]

What's relevance?

None really. I was just looking to find Fairlay's cold wallet balance but they no longer publish it.

[degen1]

Does someone have contact w SBR complaint people - I filed a week ago but haven't heard anything, last time it took two days to get a response. They may not be able to help directly w Fairlay, but could potentially help me figure some other shit out

[raiders72001]

this could go many ways i guess and very interesting..I am curious though since OP moves big time funds around and at times direct from exchange to book which makes no sense for a big player could this trigger a CTR report and then open can of worms due to things like the patriot act? We all know BTC is traceable and financial institutions are alot tighter following rules

What does Fairlay have to do with any of this? If Fairlay feels something is wrong they should just return the money.

BTC is easily made untraceable but that's irrelevant.

[littlekona]

What does Fairlay have to do with any of this? If Fairlay feels something is wrong they should just return the money.

BTC is easily made untraceable but that's irrelevant.

Well someone with some sort of authority has accused OP and must have some evidence.....protocol for all books A+ on down is to hold funds until investigation is complete and information is not typically made public until done...So seems Fairlay is following standard protocol

OP at least has an attorney.....

[littlekona]

Does someone have contact w SBR complaint people - I filed a week ago but haven't heard anything, last time it took two days to get a response. They may not be able to help directly w Fairlay, but could potentially help me figure some other shit out

I had a complaint a few weeks back and it took few extra days too...Staff vacations and overload of complaints...Did you receive a copy of the complaint in your inbox after you submitted? if yes then you know it was received

[degen1]

I have a small guess at what it might be, but if it is this then i'd just be even more mad. At the end of this if it turns out to be nothing, what's the appropriate consequence for this?

Seems like even if I guess right, they probably wouldn't say anything. Whatever, the last thing I'm primarily upset about is that they divulged more information via a trollbox than to me when I've been asking for anything every day for almost two weeks. It just suggests they could be sharing more with me than they did, even if it was just the fact that its not a market maker. Also don't see what would be preventing from giving a time estimate, even if it ended up changing.

[littlekona]

I have a small guess at what it might be, but if it is this then i'd just be even more mad. At the end of this if it turns out to be nothing, what's the appropriate consequence for this?

Seems like even if I guess right, they probably wouldn't say anything. Whatever, the last thing I'm primarily upset about is that they divulged more information via a trollbox than to me when I've been asking for anything every day for almost two weeks. It just suggests they could be sharing more with me than they did, even if it was just the fact that its not a market maker. Also don't see what would be preventing from giving a time estimate, even if it ended up changing.

what's your guess it is?

[littlekona]

None really. I was just looking to find Fairlay's cold wallet balance but they no longer publish it.

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1EV8YeieYEZ7iksGT9jS7KdcbE12pk4FwZ

current 1,074.90199099 BTC Party Time!!!!! my god

[eaglesfan371]

My guess is someone messaged Fairlay that they own degen1's account and were hacked. Or that the bitcoins are stolen and someone claimed they were theirs.

[degen1]

The former could probably be pretty easily verified, esp cause i have access to controlling e-mail. the latter, i dont really know, that seems pretty odd though (esp cause it's not the case) but also seems unlikely to occur.

Let's say I end up somehow being wrong, I just dont know what allegation would allow them to keep my btc in the end so why not just send the deposit back now at least.

[littlekona]

The former could probably be pretty easily verified, esp cause i have access to controlling e-mail. the latter, i dont really know, that seems pretty odd though (esp cause it's not the case) but also seems unlikely to occur.

Let's say I end up somehow being wrong, I just dont know what allegation would allow them to keep my btc in the end so why not just send the deposit back now at least.

Degen, just tell us truth what it is or you feel it may be....it’s better if it comes from you now then in final decision from Fairlay or SbR since you can gather support if justified

[degen1]

Lol, I already disproved my theory, and it wasn't illegal to begin with so it wouldn't be "coming clean." doesn't matter anyways, besides to satiate your own personal curiosity, which I apologize but wont bother with. It was the farthest thing I could think of, and it still wasn't even a thing

[raiders72001]

My guess is someone messaged Fairlay that they own degen1's account and were hacked. Or that the bitcoins are stolen and someone claimed they were theirs.

That does make sense. Someone else is claiming the account.

[Optional]

Does someone have contact w SBR complaint people - I filed a week ago but haven't heard anything, last time it took two days to get a response. They may not be able to help directly w Fairlay, but could potentially help me figure some other shit out

Please reply to the complaint confirmation email and ask for an update.

That goes direct to the person who allocates complaint jobs to the dispute agents.

We try to get back to you in less than 48 hours.

[degen1]

That does make sense. Someone else is claiming the account.

logistically, but theres no way someone could. i dont know who would even

[degen1]

Please reply to the complaint confirmation email and ask for an update.

That goes direct to the person who allocates complaint jobs to the dispute agents.

We try to get back to you in less than 48 hours.

Thanks, I replied a couple times, and didn't get anything i'll try again

[Optional]

Thanks, I replied a couple times, and didn't get anything i'll try again

No need to send more then.

I'll ask whats happening.

[4sees]

Just a neutral & curious observer here, who is always on the lookout for places to avoid/use. My first thought is, has to be legal authorities investigating, unless you know "3rd party" means otherwise. Definitely better they confirmed having received the deposit and is under review, verse not received. I'd second the thought that someone else claiming the account is absurd, presuming you were the only 1 using daily for months, and the IP addresses and such from which site access/transactions were routinely made remained the same throughout. Or, did you recently move, and/or use various ways to access the site, verse say me that would either just use a home comp w/wifi or iphone w/wireless and am always within 50 miles of home? My guess is that if legal authorities freeze funds, and then have some court order to confiscate/forfeit, the Book would not be keeping. Would then presume you/attorney would know what court ordered what and why. Of course, depends on Costa Rica or the local jurisdiction, so best to have a local attorney there. Would not think is a claim BTC was stolen either, for you either bought the BTC from your own account and have that audit trail, or the BTC was sent to you legitimately (I'll presume). If the BTC sent and being investigated was BTC you had just bought from your own personal account, then no claim there, but if you sent them BTC that had been sent to you, and/or how you got possession of the BTC is more open to possible allegations.

For this peon, can't even imagine 100 BTC wager. Not in this lifetime. And, not sure you want the $$$ even at the Vegas window, unless you got big pockets with big guys and big guns. Although, I do believe winnings may be received in the form of a check, unless that's an audit trail not wanted. And so, after using them nicely for 7 months, had you previously just got a payout, or lost prior deposit and then sent them a 6 figure deposit again or for the first time that much? You were playing various team sports, casino, track stuff, or was all placed on 1 wager and/or 1 League (like MLB verse you betting some odd prop bet or on an individual match like tennis or UFC)? My wild in the dark guess based on the info here, is some domestic issue (divorce, child support), tax/AML CTR issue, judgement/creditor ... you owe someone money and they found out where you sent it. Hoping none of that's the case, and all works out.

[littlekona]

I have a small guess at what it might be, but if it is this then i'd just be even more mad. At the end of this if it turns out to be nothing, what's the appropriate consequence for this?.

Seems as like many scammers the story changes...so you obviously have a clue why this occurred....eagelesfan is a sharp btc poster and most likely pegged what this situation is and if that is case Fairlay investigation of matter would be appropriate.....what would be real funny If somehow your “wife” would be involved...I love those just as much as “a friend spent the night” revelations