Problem with 5Dimes' Tony - robbed of $3600 in winnings

**winz** · 11-05-15, 05:03 PM

cloverfield not everyone is a small bettor like you..people bet 5k on nfl games all the time..its really no big deal..and these days moving money around thru bitcoin is the easiest and quickest way.....but really none of that matters...same bitcoins could have been sent to many other books and the bet would have been paid regardless...if you cant pay a measly 5k bet on nfl after it wins if you not any type of real book imo..,you just pay the bet and close the acct if you are that terrified of someone betting 5k a game at your book...what a joke 5 dimes is...its pathetic..."5DIMES where you bet 5 dimes and we only pay a dime"..LOL..SAD.

**Bill Dozer** · 11-05-15, 05:21 PM

We have seen this kind of thing a lot back in the day. It is usually called the "household rule" and it usually involves a bonus or gettin in a promo. You would find that a family chased a bonus and bet against each others sides. Those were the easy ones. Recently IPs alone havent been enough because of the way tech has evolved. There are hotspots, cell towers etc.

In this case its hard to argue for the player. Ignoring the timeline, payment method and max betting, 5D states they have bets placed by player A on same IP on 9/19 as player B's registration and his single winning bet. They also used the same device. Even still we would like to see the player get paid here so the book's dont stand to benefit even from shot-takers. 5Dimes held firm saying they dont want people who dont play by the rules to benefit. They did offer to pay a charity in the amount in question and provide proof here that they also didnt benefit from this.

**SBRMAN23** · 11-05-15, 05:32 PM

charity lmfaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo industry will soon be done if the ones we trust cant be held liable for BS plain and simple

**winz** · 11-05-15, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

We have seen this kind of thing a lot back in the day. It is usually called the "household rule" and it usually involves a bonus or gettin in a promo. You would find that a family chased a bonus and bet against each others sides. Those were the easy ones. Recently IPs alone havent been enough because of the way tech has evolved. There are hotspots cell towers etc.

In this case its hard to argue for the player. Ignoring the timeline, payment method and max betting, 5D states they have bets placed by player A on same IP on 9/19 as player B's registration and his single winning bet. They also used the same device. Even still we would like to see the player get paid here so the book's dont stand to benefit even from shot-takers. 5Dimes held firm saying they dont want people who dont play by the rules to benefit. They did offer to pay a charity in the amount in question and provide proof here that they also didnt benefit from this.

someone explain to me how the player is "taking a shot" when he is putting up his hard earned money in advance on an NFL side bet..with a good line..and the bet isnt past post??...taking a shot implies that the player had some type of huge advantage or that 5DIMES wasnt going to get paid if the bet lost...GET REAL AND SOP DEFENDING 5DIMES, WHEN THEY ARE CLEARLY SCUM IN THIS CASE.

**Bill Dozer** · 11-05-15, 05:51 PM

The book has the right not to take your action just like they don't have to give you twice the bonus. If you are kicked out of a book for whatever reason and an account in your little sister's name opens that same day from the same PC and internet connection, no book is going to pay you/her on that first win.

**HuskerExpat** · 11-05-15, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

We have seen this kind of thing a lot back in the day. It is usually called the "household rule" and it usually involves a bonus or gettin in a promo. You would find that a family chased a bonus and bet against each others sides. Those were the easy ones. Recently IPs alone havent been enough because of the way tech has evolved. There are hotspots, cell towers etc.

In this case its hard to argue for the player. Ignoring the timeline, payment method and max betting, 5D states they have bets placed by player A on same IP on 9/19 as player B's registration and his single winning bet. They also used the same device. Even still we would like to see the player get paid here so the book's dont stand to benefit even from shot-takers. 5Dimes held firm saying they dont want people who dont play by the rules to benefit. They did offer to pay a charity in the amount in question and provide proof here that they also didnt benefit from this.

Reason to be suspicious, but certainly far from proof of having a multiple account. Player b signs up from the device/IP of player a. But wasn't the bet from player b from a distinct IP that is geographically removed from player a? And why not ask them to trace the bitcoin payments? As in is there proof that the payout to player a was to an address that then came back from player b.

Is there anything the OP said in his posts here that are proved to be false? If so, I can maybe understand the ruling depending on what is wrong or inconsistent. But if the OP was honest from the beginning and all evidence is consistent with what he's said, doesn't that seem to indicate he was telling the truth?

**winz** · 11-05-15, 05:58 PM

got the perfect solution here..if 5DIMES doesnt want to honor the deposit then they should reverse the exact same NUMBER OF BITCOINS back to the player...the scum here at 5DIMES have actually won twice!..first they stole the winnings..then they kept the bitcoins lying around in an account which have almost doubled in price since this happened..if you continue to play at 5Dimes be aware its at your own risk because SBR is clearly in bed with them.

**Hareeba!** · 11-05-15, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

The book has the right not to take your action just like they don't have to give you twice the bonus. If you are kicked out of a book for whatever reason and an account in your little sister's name opens that same day from the same PC and internet connection, no book is going to pay you/her on that first win.

Correct. But they DID take his action and then cheated him out of most of his legitimate winnings.
Just not acceptable.

**Cookie Monster** · 11-05-15, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by Hareeba!

Correct. But they DID take his action and then cheated him out of most of his legitimate winnings.
Just not acceptable.

Furthermore, they are freeloading on an NFL side bet at full vig. Bets that could be easily hedged for a profit right away. And Cardinals were the public side, so the bet in question actually helped 5dimes risk profile.

**GigaOuts** · 11-05-15, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

We have seen this kind of thing a lot back in the day. It is usually called the "household rule" and it usually involves a bonus or gettin in a promo. You would find that a family chased a bonus and bet against each others sides. Those were the easy ones. Recently IPs alone havent been enough because of the way tech has evolved. There are hotspots, cell towers etc.

In this case its hard to argue for the player. Ignoring the timeline, payment method and max betting, 5D states they have bets placed by player A on same IP on 9/19 as player B's registration and his single winning bet. They also used the same device. Even still we would like to see the player get paid here so the book's dont stand to benefit even from shot-takers. 5Dimes held firm saying they dont want people who dont play by the rules to benefit. They did offer to pay a charity in the amount in question and provide proof here that they also didnt benefit from this.

They should double the amount to donate to op chosen charity, why should the only little guy suffer? It is easy to be generous with 'other' people money!

**chance** · 11-05-15, 10:23 PM

10,000 page views and counting and Mr Bill Dozer making a comment. Seems to me like people pressure is starting to work.

**trytrytry** · 11-05-15, 10:32 PM

5 dimes new Motto

"Sweat the IPAD not the Charity"

**Rollins08** · 11-05-15, 10:37 PM

The book took a shot at a player here. Plain and simple. If they didn't want to pay they shouldn't have taken the bet. If the IP was suspicious then you kick them out after you pay the bet.

**squareshot** · 11-05-15, 10:43 PM

so the logic is guilty until proven guilty.

seems unfair for the player.

**chance** · 11-05-15, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by Rollins08

The book took a shot at a player here. Plain and simple. If they didn't want to pay they shouldn't have taken the bet. If the IP was suspicious then you kick them out after you pay the bet.

YES it is plain and simple. Can not for the life of me understand why all of these SBR employees in this thread can not see it that way. Either they are are plain stupid or they will defend a sponsor to the death.

**relaaxx** · 11-05-15, 11:43 PM

this thread is started to get ridiculous - there are enough known facts to implicate the possibility that the op took a shot at 5dimes first with his friend by using his friends money to bet after moving it thru bitcoin. waiting 2 weeks to bet is no coincidence, the amount of the bet is suspicious. too many red flags. he is so naive to gambling his friend has to walk him thru the site, one of the best known gambling sites, but yet this new to gambling naive newbie bets his bankroll almost entirely on his 1st bet. no absolute proof. just circumstantial evidence. seems obvious what was going on here.

they are idiots to think they were going to get away with this, wasn't even a very good attempt, these two could not figure out how to steal a lollipop from an infant. they are lucky they did not pay a higher price when they got caught.

this is not a court of law. a business does not need definate proof to pass judgement.

sure 5dimes took a shot at the op also. by waiting until the bet won to cancel it.

seems justified to me to return fire.

the op and his friend are thieves. people like that have been making gambling offshore more and more difficult for honest gamblers for many years.

at first the thread was real interesting. now it's just of bunch of name calling finger pointers, pointing at everyone except the 2 people that started all this.

i don't like defending a sportsbook. but i hate defending a sneaky deceiving lying cheat or two.

**winz** · 11-06-15, 05:33 AM

just cant believe there are some real idiots in here who are actually defending a book that stole winnings!!

**HuskerExpat** · 11-06-15, 08:39 AM

Originally posted by relaaxx

this thread is started to get ridiculous - there are enough known facts to implicate the possibility that the op took a shot at 5dimes first with his friend by using his friends money to bet after moving it thru bitcoin.

(snip)

Yes, that's the point. It is merely a possibility without proof. It is also quite possible the OP was telling the truth. In light of the fact that we don't know which version is true, erring on the side of not letting 5Dimes take a shot at the OP seems to be the fairest thing to do.

**milwaukee mike** · 11-06-15, 08:41 AM

now i've heard it all... winnings are going to 5dimes' favorite charity

THE TONY FUND

"where bets go to die"

**The Kraken** · 11-06-15, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by SBR Forum

It's standard board policy for ex-employees not to post, and in fact pretty common in business. We made an exception for daringly but he's worn his welcome out. Feel free to discuss this issue as much as you like, but do not pass along his messages.

Thats too bad, 7 was doing a great job contradicting himself.

He clearly chose to pick this battle, for whatever reason, and he likely knew he was on a short leash.

**milwaukee mike** · 11-06-15, 12:24 PM

kraken would you rather donate to the tony fund or the human fund?

**The Kraken** · 11-06-15, 02:38 PM

Im a big fan of both festivus and seinfeld, so I'd pick the human fund

**Rollins08** · 11-06-15, 03:01 PM

So 5dimes was smart enough to figure out the matching IP addresses after the bet is placed and won from another IP address? It's just like stealing. The OP at least had to win the bet. He wins and still doesn't get paid. And some of you are right, it's a business and they don't have to do anything about it. But it should be a warning to everyone to be extra careful. Little to no evidence needs to be provided in these siterations by the book. Even if the OP was taking a shot also, he at least needed his team to still win.

**squareshot** · 11-06-15, 03:51 PM

TIL taking a shot means betting a football side.

**Limited** · 11-06-15, 06:34 PM

Fairytale from 5D makes no sense. How can one steal money by placing a bet on a regular NFL line? And also how can someone be accused of multiple ID abuse to increase a limit, when at the same time the same odds are available in all other bookies with higher limits? IE Pin, Match, Bookmaker, Betonline.....

It is like you are accusing someone to steal the drinking water from the fountain when there are free fountains available all over the place.

**GigaOuts** · 11-06-15, 07:38 PM

Also 5dimes don't really have pu%#y limit like bet365/William hill $10 & $20 base where you can 'not re-bet'. So you can bet infinity times on 5dimes as the line adjust, so it is easy to bet 5g on a 1g nfl limit on 5dimes. More reason you don't need new account to circumvent limit, just need more patience & time.

Yes!! bet365 limit me to $9.50 base on mma &
William Hill limit me to $20 base too, no re-bet ...pu%#y sites!

**baseballstud** · 11-07-15, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

The book has the right not to take your action just like they don't have to give you twice the bonus. If you are kicked out of a book for whatever reason and an account in your little sister's name opens that same day from the same PC and internet connection, no book is going to pay you/her on that first win.

Not picking sides. But answer me this. What if the bet loses? Does the book have to refund your deposit back to you since you should not have had an account in the first place? Your logic implies yes. Win the bet get deposit back and no winnings, lose the bet and....

It does seem like OP prob took a shot, hoping to not get caught, but thats the industry you are in when dealing with sports betting online, in a foreign country. Going to have this happen daily.

**relaaxx** · 11-07-15, 10:54 AM

what if the bet wins -- should the gambler now tell the truth that he opened an account with his sister's and not collect on the bet.

i have picked sides. the op took the 1st shot

5dimes should have cancelled the bet before the outcome was known.

they both took a shot but again for me the op took the 1st shot and deserves what he gets.

i also think 5dimes should not have paid even a portion of the bet.

you try to cheat me i don't play fair with you.

**milwaukee mike** · 11-07-15, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by relaaxx

what if the bet wins -- should the gambler now tell the truth that he opened an account with his sister's and not collect on the bet.

i have picked sides. the op took the 1st shot

5dimes should have cancelled the bet before the outcome was known.

they both took a shot but again for me the op took the 1st shot and deserves what he gets.

i also think 5dimes should not have paid even a portion of the bet.

you try to cheat me i don't play fair with you.

you're right, lucky he got his deposit back and his mother not raped!

how dare he TAKE A SHOT by making a nfl bet

**relaaxx** · 11-07-15, 12:14 PM

how dare he TAKE A SHOT by making a nfl bet

if that's all that happened - the thread would be 1 page long

**GigaOuts** · 11-07-15, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by relaaxx

how dare he TAKE A SHOT by making a nfl bet

if that's all that happened - the thread would be 1 page long

Ok let's say 5dimes is right, you are right that op 'TAKE A SHOT' but the outcome of the game still unknown at that time!

but 5idmes confiscate his winning is not 'TAKE A SHOT'! 5dimes consider it is stealing if you post bet, could possibly get you ban too! That's should also applys to 5dimes. Post decision is same as post bet!

I post bet on Pinnacle once when I overslept!
March 27, 2015: Ryan Couture -133 vs Dakota Cochrane +120. Post Bet $900 on Dakota Cochrane on Pinny
Cochrane already lost - Pinnacle refund the lost due to 'post bet'

We are really blessed to have Pinnacle!

**winz** · 11-07-15, 03:36 PM

been gambling for 25 years..never ever have i seen any legit book not pay a valid bet after the game...amazing...cant believe any idiot on here that thinks this was reasonable...lost all faith in 5dimes and sbr.

**sshz** · 11-07-15, 04:01 PM

This thread already raised some red flags (for me anyway) regarding 5Dimes.....then last night I see a player post his 20 in a row losing black jack hands (well, 1 tied) for a $700+ loss in their casino! And this is SBR's highest rated book?????? I think not. This should give all 5Dimes players pause- a long one. I won't post where I play, cause I don't want to hear the backlash, but I've never seen these kinds of issues there....or I would have left long ago.

**trytrytry** · 11-07-15, 04:03 PM

SAB dont stop. go to other forums also and ask for help. get a dozen forum MODS calling, EMAILing and posting their rulings.
many will help you,

5dimes stole your winning wager, in a blatant free roll, keep fighting

**trytrytry** · 11-07-15, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by winz

been gambling for 25 years..never ever have i seen any legit book not pay a valid bet after the game...amazing...cant believe any idiot on here that thinks this was reasonable...lost all faith in 5dimes and sbr.

according to Idiot MODS here it happens all the time in Europe! LOL