Problem with 5Dimes' Tony - robbed of $3600 in winnings

[Caip34000]

Hi guys,

There has been a lot of interest in this dispute and for good reason. Any time a sportsbook does not pay the full value of a balance it better have a good reason. That being said, I think our prior post on this could have been clearer, but it assumed most had read the full details already posted, and so we have edited it to give a clearer account of exactly what it means that account two was really a 'beard' of account one.

In summary: Account two was created from the same device account one had used to wager. 'Beards' are real human beings capable of sending ID, so the player's insistence to establish has identity does not trump this. This is not an incidental sharing of IP addresses at a buddy's house or a situation an average Joe needs to fear.

Let's review again the time-line:

• Account one was limited for wagering at the sportsbook, cashed out several thousand in bitcoin.
  
• Account two was created from that player's device to proceed to deposit a few thousand in bitcoin.

5Dimes' handling of this - to pay account two at the limit account one was just given - is more favorable to the player than players would find at any regulated sportsbook by any gambling commission in the world. This is really not disputable.

Now, what is in dispute is what 5Dimes could have done differently. Could 5Dimes have immediately closed account two and/or limited account two before the account placed a bet? Absolutely. But catching the account after one wager - most accounts are screened based on wagering at any sportsbook - is pretty active risk management. Had 5Dimes allowed the player to wager repeatedly and run up a balance all while being able to lose, that'd be another discussion and one in which 5D would have been asleep at the wheel at best. That's not what happened in this case.

This is just a joke bet was accepted so no question ask...
If the bet was lost 5d wouldn't have refund part of it based on account 1 limits.
How can you support that...
You're disgusting once again

[shaunovery]

Moral of the story

Don't share the same ip adress definately not to open a new account using a friends ip that already has a account

[Martinr]

It looks to me like the guy was free rolled. I'm tipping the account was flagged as soon as it was opened. Why not? Books are using iesnare and other software to cover this kind of thing. Surely a big operation like 5Dimes would have something set up to match IP addresses from accounts that are limited. I saw earlier in the thread that 5Dimes made a thing of the bet being investigated because of the size, but I reckon the account was being monitored before the bet was even placed. 5Dimes waits to let the player bet and then gets a free shot at his balance.
The book should've contacted the player way before the bet was placed, or at least shortly after it was placed when they saw that the bet exceeded the limit placed on the other account.
I opened a 5Dimes account about a year ago in case I needed another out. I used an iPad to open it. I've never used the account though and crap like this sure doesn't make me want to.
5Dimes had a free shot here. Plain as day. They took a sizeable bet on a fair line and they knew they were never going to pay the full whack if it won.

[goduke]

How stupid can all of you be? Did anyone read the start of this post. The guy was in VEGAS. Why not just place the wager in Vegas, where there are no question asked once you get the ticket. Only complete and total fools send money overseas to people they do not know and hope that they will get money back. If you are stupid enough to do this, while you are in Vegas of all places, you deserve to get your tail kicked for everything you have. No wonder all of you clowns lose your tails. You can count your IQ's on one hand. You people are total and complete losers. You are the fools of the gaming game.

He only signed up for the account hanging out with his buddy. If you read correctly he deposited when he was back home in LA. I don't see why this is multi accounting at all. His buddy told him about 5 dimes he signed up. He didn't immediately deposit... He went home a week later deposited and played a side. What's truly wrong with this? Sbr will never side with a player when it comes to the books that they have the deepest connections with like 5 dimes. This is very clear by this situation. They will go to bat hard for you at shitty books because it helps them establish a connection with the book and then try to get revenue from them. For the op not to get paid full money for his bet is absurd but that's why you can't trust sbr ratings, you have to do all the legwork on your own. Sbr is not here for the player first they are here for themselves, the high paying books, then the player third. People need to remember this

[goduke]

No, Goat. Read Post 1. He opened the account at his buddy's place in Vegas
and on his buddy's iPhone. With 4800 in bitcoins.
So I can definitely see the 5d point of view.

He did not deposit in Vegas on his buddies iPhone. He just signed up for the account. Read closer

[goduke]

Hi guys,

There has been a lot of interest in this dispute and for good reason. Any time a sportsbook does not pay the full value of a balance it better have a good reason. That being said, I think our prior post on this could have been clearer, but it assumed most had read the full details already posted, and so we have edited it to give a clearer account of exactly what it means that account two was really a 'beard' of account one.

In summary: Account two was created from the same device account one had used to wager. 'Beards' are real human beings capable of sending ID, so the player's insistence to establish has identity does not trump this. This is not an incidental sharing of IP addresses at a buddy's house or a situation an average Joe needs to fear.

Let's review again the time-line:

• Account one was limited for wagering at the sportsbook, cashed out several thousand in bitcoin.
  
• Account two was created from that player's device to proceed to deposit a few thousand in bitcoin.

5Dimes' handling of this - to pay account two at the limit account one was just given - is more favorable to the player than players would find at any regulated sportsbook by any gambling commission in the world. This is really not disputable.

Now, what is in dispute is what 5Dimes could have done differently. Could 5Dimes have immediately closed account two and/or limited account two before the account placed a bet? Absolutely. But catching the account after one wager - most accounts are screened based on wagering at any sportsbook - is pretty active risk management. Had 5Dimes allowed the player to wager repeatedly and run up a balance all while being able to lose, that'd be another discussion and one in which 5D would have been asleep at the wheel at best. That's not what happened in this case.

OP said he deposited a week later at his house in Cal, so 5dimes is punishing him because he was visiting a friend and signed up for the account there after his buddy told him he played at 5dimes. I've told alot of friends about my book i use and even some have signed up when they have visited me. If you take this stance that every guy signing up in this situation is just bearding that's a precedent that you can use for a ton of situations.

[Ted Sheckler]

OP said he deposited a week later at his house in Cal, so 5dimes is punishing him because he was visiting a friend and signed up for the account there after his buddy told him he played at 5dimes. I've told alot of friends about my book i use and even some have signed up when they have visited me. If you take this stance that every guy signing up in this situation is just bearding that's a precedent that you can use for a ton of situations.

Hi.

From post #1

I notice that SBR has an A+ rating for 5Dimes, and I just wanted to share my experience with them. I opened an account on the recommendation of a buddy while visiting him in Vegas. Gave all my personal info etc. Funded it to the tune of $4800 via BTC. After returning home a week or two later, decided to place my first and only bet, $4500. Bet accepted, and I won. Hooray!


You see that "." at the end of the Bold part, that means you take a pause before continuing on with the reading.

I don't think it says "Funded it to the tune of $4800 via BTC after returning home a week or two later" That period you didn't pause for is a big part.

But it certainly says a week or two after depositing that he made the bet. And it certainly sounds like he said he created/gave info/funded while at his buddies house.

[goduke]

So if I sign up for a book on a Sunday because I'm watching football with a friend and he doesn't give me his life details about his complete history with a book, I'm screwed to whatever 5dimes decides and SBR will just side with their gravy train. People need to use this site for exactly what it is just a place to post if this is the case. No click throughs, no sign ups to books through sbr and any other crap that would help them prosper. when was the last time SBR sided with a player against a book that provides them significant business???
Bet islands....no
This case 5 dimes.....no
What are we really using this site for then? People sign up here at first to get information on reputable books and safe places to post up. If you can't provide this, is there really a use for SBR?

[goduke]

Hi.

From post #1

I notice that SBR has an A+ rating for 5Dimes, and I just wanted to share my experience with them. I opened an account on the recommendation of a buddy while visiting him in Vegas. Gave all my personal info etc. Funded it to the tune of $4800 via BTC. After returning home a week or two later, decided to place my first and only bet, $4500. Bet accepted, and I won. Hooray!


You see that "." at the end of the Bold part, that means you take a pause before continuing on with the reading.

I don't think it says "Funded it to the tune of $4800 via BTC after returning home a week or two later" That period you didn't pause for is a big part.

But it certainly says a week or two after depositing that he made the bet. And it certainly sounds like he said he created/gave info/funded while at his buddies house.

If you took the time to go through the entire thread like I did and not just based your whole response on one post you will clearly see he gave a timeline of everything with dates and if those dates are true which sbr has yet to say they aren't he deposited at home in LA. Please read all of the thread and do your due diligence before making a response next time. Lazy

[Ted Sheckler]

If you took the time to go through the entire thread like I did and not just based your whole response on one post you will clearly see he gave a timeline of everything with dates and if those dates are true which sbr has yet to say they aren't he deposited at home in LA. Please read all of the thread and do your due diligence before making a response next time. Lazy

You are correct, I apologize, here is 2 pts.

[Optional]

I have a hard time believing MOST books would confiscate winnings and that all gaming commissions would rule that way. are there published rulings on this somewhere?

I didn't say most books. I said plenty of Euro books.

Chasing up complaints about them doing this is one of the most time consuming and one of the lower success rate things I have to deal with.

And for those people claiming all the big UK books would allow you to signup on a limited accounts device and then payout on your first bet at multiple times that limit, I dare you to try it. Considering you all seem to think I am the one full of shit.

[HuskerExpat]

Does it matter to SBR that his allegation is that the bet was placed from account two at an IP at a geographical location totally different than ever used for account one? The official response ignores that.

For me, that's the critical fact here because I can understand that it is a strong case for multiple accounts if account two placed bets from the account one device or IP/location.

Contrary to the official SBR response, it is not dispositive that it is a multiple account that a guy uses his friend's iPad to open an account. That's a pretty surface level analysis of the issue. Look a little deeper please.

[milwaukee mike]

I didn't say most books. I said plenty of Euro books.

Chasing up complaints about them doing this is one of the most time consuming and one of the lower success rate things I have to deal with.

And for those people claiming all the big UK books would allow you to signup on a limited accounts device and then payout on your first bet at multiple times that limit, I dare you to try it. Considering you all seem to think I am the one full of shit.

i just see a disconnect here between the times when bill dozer and lou helped me get paid from books like betus (when they tried to steal from me and not pay winning bets) and in cases where 5dimes is involved in the same behavior.

if you're going to rule in players' favor with a D+ book then you should rule in players' favor with a A+ book... if these were the exact same circumstances and the book in question was americasbookie can the honest answer be that the ruling would be the same?

players like me look up to sbr and are grateful for the support and help if/when things go wrong

[Optional]

Does it matter to SBR that his allegation is that the bet was placed from account two at an IP at a geographical location totally different than ever used for account one? The official response ignores that.

For me, that's the critical fact here because I can understand that it is a strong case for multiple accounts if account two placed bets from the account one device or IP/location.

Contrary to the official SBR response, it is not dispositive that it is a multiple account that a guy uses his friend's iPad to open an account. That's a pretty surface level analysis of the issue. Look a little deeper please.

I don't speak for SBR or for what the agent looking after this thinks but the time and place of the bet is not a major factor. The time and place of the signup, currency choice and market choice are what 5D would be thinking about mostly.

Whilst I agree the time lapse and location change between signup and bet placement does add credence to his story, it's still just a story that someone at a book has to believe or not. And they hear stories daily from mostly guilty people which makes it tough to accept anyone's stories.

[milwaukee mike]

I don't speak for SBR or for what the agent looking after this thinks but the time and place of the bet is not a major factor. The time and place of the signup, currency choice and market choice are what 5D would be thinking about mostly.

Whilst I agree the time lapse and location change between signup and bet placement does add credence to his story, it's still just a story that someone at a book has to believe or not. And they hear stories daily from mostly guilty people which makes it tough to accept anyone's stories.

so guilty until proven innocent

tony, if you're reading this, pay that man his money, he beat you straight up

[Smithers]

Who ever thinks that the OP has done nothing wrong and is as innocent as he wants us to believe : http://www.wikihow.com/Develop-the-'...mes'-Intuition.

Of course they free rolled the OP and that is the only question if that business practice is tolerable but I have no doubt in my mind about the OP intention.

[Optional]

i just see a disconnect here between the times when bill dozer and lou helped me get paid from books like betus (when they tried to steal from me and not pay winning bets) and in cases where 5dimes is involved in the same behavior.

if you're going to rule in players' favor with a D+ book then you should rule in players' favor with a A+ book... if these were the exact same circumstances and the book in question was americasbookie can the honest answer be that the ruling would be the same?

players like me look up to sbr and are grateful for the support and help if/when things go wrong

I think Bill fights much tougher than I do. I am more trying to mediate an agreed solution most of the time.

But anyway, do you really think an A+ book should be treated the same way as a D+ bookie?

If an A+ book has no pattern of trying to cheat players and says it believes it has enough evidence to penalize a player, don't you think that should carry a lot more weight than someone like BetUS saying it?

From what we know I would have likely had enough doubts to pay this guy his 4k and ban him in Tony's shoes... whilst still thinking he is almost certainly a beard. But cutting his bet back to the 1k limit is a very arguable position too. Circumstantial evidence really does scream beard even if he is innocent. I don't need to be paid advertising money to say that with 5D's history and standing Tony gets to make the less preferable call sometimes. Favoritism maybe but perfectly justifiable I think?

[Optional]

so guilty until proven innocent

C'mon Mike! that just sounds like Bart Simpson defense.. "you didnt see so you cant prove it".


But he actually is guilty until proven innocent in cases like this, quite fairly.

The accounts broke a rule about sharing a device. This rule in itself does not justify punishment but it does make them guilty of breaching the terms and therefore worthy of investigation to see if they are innocent.

How guilty innocent do you think this guy seems? 50/50?

[milwaukee mike]

I think Bill fights much tougher than I do. I am more trying to mediate an agreed solution most of the time.

But anyway, do you really think an A+ book should be treated the same way as a D+ bookie?

If an A+ book has no pattern of trying to cheat players and says it believes it has enough evidence to penalize a player, don't you think that should carry a lot more weight than someone like BetUS saying it?

From what we know I would have likely had enough doubts to pay this guy his 4k and ban him in Tony's shoes... whilst still thinking he is almost certainly a beard. But cutting his bet back to the 1k limit is a very arguable position too. Circumstantial evidence really does scream beard even if he is innocent. I don't need to be paid advertising money to say that with 5D's history and standing Tony gets to make the less preferable call sometimes. Favoritism maybe but perfectly justifiable I think?

we'll agree to disagree then... i think it's the opposite and the A+ book should be held to a higher standard because people expect better treatment, that's why they're playing at a A+ book. if i'm playing at a D+ book, i'm probably getting a huge bonus and getting great lines, so i expect to be limited or screwed at some point.

[HuskerExpat]

C'mon Mike! that just sounds like Bart Simpson defense.. "you didnt see so you cant prove it".


But he actually is guilty until proven innocent in cases like this, quite fairly.

The accounts broke a rule about sharing a device. This rule in itself does not justify punishment but it does make them guilty of breaching the terms and therefore worthy of investigation to see if they are innocent.

How guilty innocent do you think this guy seems? 50/50?

What rule on sharing a device? 5Dimes has no such rule in their terms and conditions. I understand that would at least cloud the issue some in favor of 5Dimes, but there is no such rule.

And you acknowledge above that if he made the bet from a different IP and geographical location then he would likely be able to prove he was in fact a different person and not a multiple account but its "just a story." I thought that was the point of the SBR investigation....to find out if the "story" was legit or not....

[Optional]

we'll agree to disagree then... i think it's the opposite and the A+ book should be held to a higher standard because people expect better treatment, that's why they're playing at a A+ book. if i'm playing at a D+ book, i'm probably getting a huge bonus and getting great lines, so i expect to be limited or screwed at some point.

I can see that point of view too. (says the guy calling himself a mediator )

What rule on sharing a device? 5Dimes has no such rule in their terms and conditions. I understand that would at least cloud the issue some in favor of 5Dimes, but there is no such rule.

And you acknowledge above that if he made the bet from a different IP and geographical location then he would likely be able to prove he was in fact a different person and not a multiple account but its "just a story." I thought that was the point of the SBR investigation....to find out if the "story" was legit or not....

Yeah I know it does not mention device, but IP covers it and we all know what the intent of those clauses are. Arguing technicalities of wording isn't generally going to get anyone, even SBR, too far with Tony anyway.

I don't know how SBR could establish either way if the story is legit. It's about the guys intentions and a judgement call based on circumstantial evidence. If it was just the signup on the same device I would be with most of you saying punishment is not warranted but add on account 1 being limited just prior, the matching currency and matching market bet (yeah yeah, NFL sides are popular but it still is the same markets none the less) and I start to see ANY books position of suspicion of the account.

[shari91]

The time and place of the signup, currency choice and market choice are what 5D would be thinking about mostly.

Whilst I agree the time lapse and location change between signup and bet placement does add credence to his story.

I've obviously shortened your post here but this is where you and I disagree. I do agree with the first statement above but not the second. You and I are sitting at my house while you're visiting me from interstate and I get limited by a book. Is it feasible that you would then create an account at the same book that just limited me, fund it to the tune of $4500 - not $450 or $45 - and not even place one bet at the book that just limited your bestie until "a week or two later"? Who sticks almost 5k in a book from a friend's house after the friend was limited by the book and then doesn't even bet until another week or two unless - I don't know, the friend gives instructions to make the first bet or I don't know they thought by waiting to return to CA that it'd be ok. Seriously I would've thought any gambler should be laughing at this. I don't give a crap what book it is. At least be smarter with what you're doing ffs.

[Optional]

I've obviously shortened your post here but this is where you and I disagree. I do agree with the first statement above but not the second. You and I are sitting at my house while you're visiting me from interstate and I get limited by a book. Is it feasible that you would then create an account at the same book that just limited me, fund it to the tune of $4500 - not $450 or $45 - and not even place one bet at the book that just limited your bestie until "a week or two later"? Who sticks almost 5k in a book from a friend's house after the friend was limited by the book and then doesn't even bet until another week or two unless - I don't know, the friend gives instructions to make the first bet or I don't know they thought by waiting to return to CA that it'd be ok. Seriously I would've thought any gambler should be laughing at this. I don't give a crap what book it is. At least be smarter with what you're doing ffs.

LOL... shoot me for trying as hard as I can to see both sides.


But yeah i can just see the conversation now!

Two 5k bettors sitting in a Vegas book and one say to the other;

#1 "Hey, this offshore book just cut my limits to 1k. You should join it and make 4k bets!"

#2 "Hey that sounds like a great idea. I must sign up right now even though I wont be depositing or betting but I dont own a computing device. Can I use yours?".

#1 "Sure that shouldn't be a problem and it is urgent you signup now before you forget".



Or can you see some other way it could have played out maybe?

[milwaukee mike]

if we're trying to guess at what happened, it could've just as easily been a guy that drives back and forth to vegas quite a bit.

#1... i'm tired of driving to vegas to bet
#2... why don't you bet online
#1... does someone take bitcoin or 5k bets?
#2... yeah 5dimes does, i'll walk you through signup on my ipad since it's a bigger screen than your phone, that way i get referral bonus

[goduke]

LOL... shoot me for trying as hard as I can to see both sides.


But yeah i can just see the conversation now!

Two 5k bettors sitting in a Vegas book and one say to the other;

#1 "Hey, this offshore book just cut my limits to 1k. You should join it and make 4k bets!"

#2 "Hey that sounds like a great idea. I must sign up right now even though I wont be depositing or betting but I dont own a computing device. Can I use yours?".

#1 "Sure that shouldn't be a problem and it is urgent you signup now before you forget".



Or can you see some other way it could have played out maybe?

Or hes a way if were not playing to cater to 5dimes the gravy train.

OP: Hey bud lets go make some wagers.
Friend: I normally just bet online
OP: Oh yeah who do you bet with
Friend: i used multiple books 5dime,book 2, book 3
OP: I dont have one, who should i signed up with
Friend: 5dimes is good, they have alot of betting options
OP: Alright cool Ill sign up(then proceeds to sign up)
OP: Ahhh I dont have my banking info with me to set up my bitcoin I'll deposit when I get home

Also in response to your market choice, its the god damn NFL everyone bets the NFL lets get real now. Also currency choice, lets be serious now theres really two options to deposit in most books(card and bitcoin) Any other option entails you looking like a complete sketchball and going to send money to random weirdos in foreign countries.

This is very stupid reasoning. Most people use mobile devices everywhere they go and youre saying that now a simple shared device could entail some bogus conspiracy theory. The guy deserves his money.

The timing of the deposits is the only way i think i would side with the book and the timing isnt there. Who signs up for a book waits a week and then bets one bet and thats it and is trying to scam? Get real. Lets remember that not everyone on SBR is a broke dikk like most of the people that post here. 4500 isnt that much money if you have a real job. He bet on a Sunday took a gamble like many do on a Sunday and won. Wanted to cashout because why not and this is all put together as some conspiracy. Also the amount of ghost accounts that are posting on this issue to make SBR and 5dimes look good is disgusting

[goduke]

I've obviously shortened your post here but this is where you and I disagree. I do agree with the first statement above but not the second. You and I are sitting at my house while you're visiting me from interstate and I get limited by a book. Is it feasible that you would then create an account at the same book that just limited me, fund it to the tune of $4500 - not $450 or $45 - and not even place one bet at the book that just limited your bestie until "a week or two later"? Who sticks almost 5k in a book from a friend's house after the friend was limited by the book and then doesn't even bet until another week or two unless - I don't know, the friend gives instructions to make the first bet or I don't know they thought by waiting to return to CA that it'd be ok. Seriously I would've thought any gambler should be laughing at this. I don't give a crap what book it is. At least be smarter with what you're doing ffs.

One bet though Shari and then he cashes out? 5k scam and thats it on a bet that isnt a 100 percent guarantee? And depositing 5k on a book that good old SBR grades as A+ isnt that much money. Is everyone here that amazed by a 5k deposit? Are people really that broke here? And who says their best friends? I know that every time you look at something you have a jaded look but stop protecting SBR and maybe look at this with a little better perspective

[Optional]

Or hes a way if were not playing to cater to 5dimes the gravy train.

OP: Hey bud lets go make some wagers.
Friend: I normally just bet online
OP: Oh yeah who do you bet with
Friend: i used multiple books 5dime,book 2, book 3
OP: I dont have one, who should i signed up with
Friend: 5dimes is good, they have alot of betting options
OP: Alright cool Ill sign up(then proceeds to sign up)
OP: Ahhh I dont have my banking info with me to set up my bitcoin I'll deposit when I get home

Also in response to your market choice, its the god damn NFL everyone bets the NFL lets get real now. Also currency choice, lets be serious now theres really two options to deposit in most books(card and bitcoin) Any other option entails you looking like a complete sketchball and going to send money to random weirdos in foreign countries.

This is very stupid reasoning. Most people use mobile devices everywhere they go and youre saying that now a simple shared device could entail some bogus conspiracy theory. The guy deserves his money.

The timing of the deposits is the only way i think i would side with the book and the timing isnt there. Who signs up for a book waits a week and then bets one bet and thats it and is trying to scam? Get real. Lets remember that not everyone on SBR is a broke dikk like most of the people that post here. 4500 isnt that much money if you have a real job. He bet on a Sunday took a gamble like many do on a Sunday and won. Wanted to cashout because why not and this is all put together as some conspiracy. Also the amount of ghost accounts that are posting on this issue to make SBR and 5dimes look good is disgusting

Let's say his first bet had been on another sport like soccer. Would you see that as evidence he wasn't a beard? How much weight would it carry in that case?

I agree the same market thing is not a biggie in itself. And Bitcoin is commonly used but if you are looking for reasons to point to as evidence he wasnt bearding there just isnt anything solid to point out. Whilst all the little things match in the opposite direction.

The really big thing is the timing of the signup in relation to the limiting. But if we go too far down that road we are just going to help and encourage some people to get around the rules.

[goduke]

If you allow mobile betting and mobile signup then situations like this need to be examine better and not just automatically assumed that everything is a scam. The facts dont add up here and its sad that SBR doesnt really defend the player and automatically leans towards something being a fraud because you dont want to damage your 5dimes relationship. Might as well shut down the sportsbook complaint forms if its going to be like this. I use mobile betting alot, i bet from everywhere. I'll never use 5dimes again(luckily this is not my regular book) because i'm not going to hit bets and then get creative excuses from the owner when he doesnt want to pay up. Pay the guy his 5k and then kick him out. This is at least fair. Now instead you pay him nothing, create an excuse, get backed up by SBR and then challenge the guys character? Mission accomplished SBR, drive that revenue

[goduke]

Let's say his first bet had been on another sport like soccer. Would you see that as evidence he wasn't a beard? How much weight would it carry in that case?

I agree the same market thing is not a biggie in itself. And Bitcoin is commonly used but if you are looking for reasons to point to as evidence he wasnt bearding there just isnt anything solid to point out. Whilst all the little things match in the opposite direction.

The really big thing is the timing of the signup in relation to the limiting. But if we go too far down that road we are just going to help and encourage some people to get around the rules.

But the timing of the limiting and the signup hasnt been announced. Was it a day? a week? a month? So if the evidence isnt solid enough like you said then why not pay him his bet and cut him out then? Why freeroll him and then only pay a small percentage?
And as far as your comment on saying they cant go down this road, well that works the other way too. If you set a precedent that you can create reasoning just based on using a shared device, then next it maybe shared wifi, then you could turn that into youre part of a betting ring, or any other bogus excuse.

[goduke]

Let's say his first bet had been on another sport like soccer. Would you see that as evidence he wasn't a beard? How much weight would it carry in that case?

I agree the same market thing is not a biggie in itself. And Bitcoin is commonly used but if you are looking for reasons to point to as evidence he wasnt bearding there just isnt anything solid to point out. Whilst all the little things match in the opposite direction.

The really big thing is the timing of the signup in relation to the limiting. But if we go too far down that road we are just going to help and encourage some people to get around the rules.

No i think the market choice is a dumb reason in general unless where talking about water polo or some very unique sport. That should never be a reason

[Optional]

@goduke Don't know exact timing either. Working on assumption from what SBR_Forum posted.

[goduke]

@goduke Don't know exact timing either. Working on assumption from what SBR_Forum posted.

Well SBR should post a better timeline or more solid reasoning. Dont just sweep stuff under the rug.

[Optional]

^^^ yeah that could get you looked at.

Is it really that tough to all use your own phones?


These hypothetical situations just don't come up in real life complaints btw.

[goduke]

^^^ yeah that could get you looked at.

Is it really that tough to all use your own phones?


These hypothetical situations just don't come up in real life complaints btw.

Is not just phones though, it could be Ipad, laptop. I dont bring those things anywhere i go. And some of the mobile platforms on a phone suck. Bookmakers mobile platform sucks so if i had the choice to use a laptop or a bigger screen ipad then my phone i would use that. And you said these issues dont come up....this issue is right now being basically all about a shared device. If he doesnt use the friends ipad then 5dimes has nothing.

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Is not just phones though, it could be Ipad, laptop. I dont bring those things anywhere i go. And some of the mobile platforms on a phone suck. Bookmakers mobile platform sucks so if i had the choice to use a laptop or a bigger screen ipad then my phone i would use that. And you said these issues dont come up....this issue is right now being basically all about a shared device. If he doesnt use the friends ipad then 5dimes has nothing.

You do need to be careful about this. As it can come back to bite you well into the future sometimes too.

But honestly, most of the time a book suspends an account due to an IP match they do clear the persons account again after the check. because most of us are honest and are only sharing a device in situations like you talk about.