Problem with 5Dimes' Tony - robbed of $3600 in winnings

[RedDevil1974]

How any so called punter on here, not 5dimes shill or worker can seriously agree with what 5dimes did is beyond me. its no worse than someone robbing you of your money on the streets.

You must be real losers to even begin to think its remotely ethical or right.

[relaaxx]

i think it's right. it's more like mugging someone that tried to get away with mugging you. i don't believe for a second these two thieves did not know exactly what they were trying to do. they got caught. true that 5dimes knew what they were up to before the game ended. 5dimes took a shot at the op by waiting to cancel the bet after it was a winner. but the op fired the first shot. i don't like siding with sportsbooks but i like less siding with thieves. they started this and should not get any gain from what they did. they are lucky to get any winnings at all from the op's bet. what should of happened is the bet should have been cancelled before the game started, deposit returned and account closed.

[Kaabee]

Betting NFL side at full juice will never be "taking a shot".

[BigDaddy]

mugging someone betting a NFL side

you cant make this shit up

[tomallen123]

i think it's right. it's more like mugging someone that tried to get away with mugging you. i don't believe for a second these two thieves did not know exactly what they were trying to do. they got caught. true that 5dimes knew what they were up to before the game ended. 5dimes took a shot at the op by waiting to cancel the bet after it was a winner. but the op fired the first shot. i don't like siding with sportsbooks but i like less siding with thieves. they started this and should not get any gain from what they did. they are lucky to get any winnings at all from the op's bet. what should of happened is the bet should have been cancelled before the game started, deposit returned and account closed.

They banned this other guy because he was sharp.
So being a sharp = being a thief?

[unusialsusp5]

They banned this other guy because he was sharp.
So being a sharp = being a thief?

they didn't ban him. they reduced his limits. guy 2 conspired with guy 1 to circumvent the banned limited account. they paid off up to the limited amount. all within the rules here. end of dispute.

[HuskerExpat]

they didn't ban him. they reduced his limits. guy 2 conspired with guy 1 to circumvent the banned limited account. they paid off up to the limited amount. all within the rules here. end of dispute.

I agree with all of that, except there is no actual proof that guy 1 and 2 conspired to circumvent the limit. None.

[GigaOuts]

Tony is Judge Dredd of sport books

Although I think 5dimes is in the wrong in this case, I believe Tony try to run a honest site.

You have sites that let you parlay to wins millions and if you happen to actual win it, than they say their t & c stated the maximum parlay can be won is 100g (constant free roll their customer)

5dimes & Pinnacle doesn't do that, they will prompt you the maximum you allow to parlay & re adjust your parlay bet to win maximum unlike other dishonest site. The donation to proof Tony is honest, no way that's is fair settlement for op.


bet365 - we have the balls to accept happy meal bet!

[unusialsusp5]

I agree with all of that, except there is no actual proof that guy 1 and 2 conspired to circumvent the limit. None.

it isn't subject to a court of law needing actual proof. all that is needed is "suspected" conspiracy to circumvent the betting limits by the offerer. and in this case they suspected and took action they deemed appropriate.

[shopp]

mugging someone betting a NFL side

you cant make this shit up

Exactly! You can't!

Lmfao as posts calling these 2 thieves. First no proof was provided just suspicion to allow book to steal. Second, NFL side at right price is taking shots please

[Limited]

it isn't subject to a court of law needing actual proof. all that is needed is "suspected" conspiracy to circumvent the betting limits by the offerer. and in this case they suspected and took action they deemed appropriate.

Yes, and the action from 5D wasn't at all appropriate. If "suspected" they could request more details before the account was even approved. They could limit the player before the match, void the bet before the match, not let him play..... Freeroling a player AFTER the match is just not acceptable and the charity thing btw is a joke. Stolen money for charity.

[cutter2225]

The issue I have with the argument that player 2 was helping player 1 circumvent his betting limits is why would player 1, who appears to be sharp, risk being caught and be at the mercy of a mad man (Tony). The game and line wagered on was available universally at many books.

[unusialsusp5]

Yes, and the action from 5D wasn't at all appropriate. If "suspected" they could request more details before the account was even approved. They could limit the player before the match, void the bet before the match, not let him play..... Freeroling a player AFTER the match is just not acceptable and the charity thing btw is a joke. Stolen money for charity.

probably because there was no reason to until guy 2 made a bet that raised the red flag. he more than likely could have bet forever if he kept the bets under the radar, but no, he bet the entire deposit (4500.00) on 1 game 2 weeks after opening it on guy 1's i pad. hmmn. somethings rotten in denmark here.

[unusialsusp5]

The issue I have with the argument that player 2 was helping player 1 circumvent his betting limits is why would player 1, who appears to be sharp, risk being caught and be at the mercy of a mad man (Tony). The game and line wagered on was available universally at many books.

so tony's a madman for being sharper than player 1. obviously player 1 didn't know tony was sharper than he was.

[relaaxx]

stupidity - there were so many ways to get this bet in at so many places yet these 2 decided to do it in a way that anyone that gambles would know that this may be perceived as creating a problem at any sportsbook. and they are doing it at 5dimes. where the top dog there is said by posters to think he is GOD.

no one new to gambling bets that much money on his 1st bet. almost his whole bankroll. at least one of the two knows what is going on in offshore gambling.

i was doing shit like this all the time. when you could get away with it. many years ago. those days are gone. you send in your money. hope you win. then hope you get paid. one of the ways to get paid is to make sure you follow all the rules. to the letter.

tried of all this whining. you have to at least be smart enough not to screw yourself. not to draw attention to yourself by sending up reds flags.

[cutter2225]

so tony's a madman for being sharper than player 1. obviously player 1 didn't know tony was sharper than he was.

You've been around here since 2010 so obviously you know Tony has a couple of screws up in his head loose. I've yet to see from 5 dimes or SBR any REAL proof either player did anything wrong and please don't point out the obvious that scummy offshore books don't need proof to steal from a player. Tony is sharp...as soon as he realizes a player isn't good for his bottom line he finds a way to show them the door.

[cutter2225]

no one new to gambling bets that much money on his 1st bet. almost his whole bankroll. at least one of the two knows what is going on in offshore gambling

Please explain to me how you can possibly know whether the guy has sports betting knowledge or not. Being a first time player at 5 dimes doesn't mean he had no previous gaming experience and its irreverent if his buddy or Jesus Christ himself gave the guy advice on who to bet. Also it was a fair size wager but everyones bankroll is different and many people shoot $5000+ a bet.

[Foxx]

probably because there was no reason to until guy 2 made a bet that raised the red flag. he more than likely could have bet forever if he kept the bets under the radar, but no, he bet the entire deposit (4500.00) on 1 game 2 weeks after opening it on guy 1's i pad. hmmn. somethings rotten in denmark here.

A red flag was raised the instant an account was opened from an ip assosciated with a limited account. I am sure it is set so the appropriate internal office is alerted immediately. The shit is all computerized. They should have took action at that point not 2 weeks later after a bet is made and settled.

[relaaxx]

i know nothing - i think i will wake up tomorrow. so far i've been right on that every day.

i don't think anyone so new to gambling his friend has to show him 5dimes because he has no sports betting knowledge opens an account and bets almost the whole bank roll on the 1st bet weeks after the deposit..

i just don't believe the story - none of it. it's my opinion. of course i can't know for a fact, i have no proof. if i only based every opinion on what i can absolutely know for sure without a doubt is fact i would have no opinions at all. with the exception of math. everything else is a theory based on as many facts i can get but also using deductions not as yet facts , that in fact may never be proved facts but still used to come to a conclusion.

[unusialsusp5]

A red flag was raised the instant an account was opened from an ip assosciated with a limited account. I am sure it is set so the appropriate internal office is alerted immediately. The shit is all computerized. They should have took action at that point not 2 weeks later after a bet is made and settled.

they probably did know. what they didn't know was that guy 2 was going to take a shot like that on them. if defies belief that they thought they could get away with it. probably thought they could because the new account wasn't suspended immediately. i don't know ask tony. if he didn't have it on his radar when it was opened he certainly detected the missile coming in 2 weeks later and had his shield up. guy 2 sends in 4800.00. why should they suspend it and return the money even if they are on to a possible rules violation. they smartly waited to see what these 2 guys were going to do next. if guy 2 kept the bets under the limit infringed on guy 1 they probably would of let it slide rather than return the money. but no, alas, they got greedy and all this happened.

[Limited]

so tony's a madman for being sharper than player 1.

Hehe, being sharp after match, well that is something I hear for the first time.

probably because there was no reason to until guy 2 made a bet that raised the red flag.

Between the bet was placed and the beginning of the match, there was probably enough time to react and void the bet before the event. Of course if your plan is to steal players winnings then you need to wait for the result.

they didn't know was that guy 2 was going to take a shot

How can a player take a shot with a regular bet on a regular NFL line? How? When there are many other bookies offering the same line. What is player's advantage? What is the damage for the bookie?

[tomallen123]

relaax = unusialsusp?
not sure why a guy would be so hung up on defending a book, nevermind use 2 accounts to do it

[HuskerExpat]

it isn't subject to a court of law needing actual proof. all that is needed is "suspected" conspiracy to circumvent the betting limits by the offerer. and in this case they suspected and took action they deemed appropriate.

I would think actual proof would be needed for SBR to approve of the theft of the winnings, but I agree, they can limit or close his account merely on their suspicion.

[Foxx]

How can a player take a shot with a regular bet on a regular NFL line? How? When there are many other bookies offering the same line. What is player's advantage? What is the damage for the bookie?

Behind the smoke and mirrors of the charitable donation maneuver, the NFL taking a shot rhetoric is the second most laughable part of this thread. You got to love a book scared to take an NFL bet.

[Mike1029]

Never had any issues with 5dimes.

[relaaxx]

relaax = unusialsusp?
not sure why a guy would be so hung up on defending a book, nevermind use 2 accounts to do it

ridiculous - you can't have 2 accounts - because i disagree with you i am hung up on defending a book - been here a long time , check past posts i stick up for who i think is right book or poster.

[Miavia]

Hehe, being sharp after match, well that is something I hear for the first time.



Between the bet was placed and the beginning of the match, there was probably enough time to react and void the bet before the event. Of course if your plan is to steal players winnings then you need to wait for the result.




How can a player take a shot with a regular bet on a regular NFL line? How? When there are many other bookies offering the same line. What is player's advantage? What is the damage for the bookie?

You know, I'm new to online gambling..I have a hard enough time winning a single bet...and I've read almost all of the comments in this thread...I still don't get what shot OP took...It was a regular side bet on a NFL game... Most of the books online offers it every Sunday. It's a fair and honest bet. Also being considered a sharp/having wager limited is nonsense...I followed/tailed many of the service plays provided in this forum by so called sharps....and shoot....Lost more than Ive won that is for sure...And SBR has an obligation to its sponsors..Their hands are tied...Just gotta move on...

[sshz]

Let's beat this dead horse some more.........Time to suck it up and move on or its just going to drive you nuts.

[SnakesPicks]

This donation just proves what a drop in the bucket the amount of money involved in this issue really was for 5D.

[rodneytrotter]

This donation just proves what a drop in the bucket the amount of money involved in this issue really was for 5D.

It is insignificant to the amount of business they have lost, and will lose in the future, because of this.

[Grivas_Digeni]

Won't lose my business, or anyone who cares to get the best value. Unless they are up to something or have a stick up their ass

[unusialsusp5]

You know, I'm new to online gambling..I have a hard enough time winning a single bet...and I've read almost all of the comments in this thread...I still don't get what shot OP took...It was a regular side bet on a NFL game... Most of the books online offers it every Sunday. It's a fair and honest bet. Also being considered a sharp/having wager limited is nonsense...I followed/tailed many of the service plays provided in this forum by so called sharps....and shoot....Lost more than Ive won that is for sure...And SBR has an obligation to its sponsors..Their hands are tied...Just gotta move on...

it was taking a shot at 5 dimes because they circumvented original guys limit (which i don't see why 5 dimes would limit anyone) but they did buy having guy 2 open an account on guy 1's i pad and made a large deposit and bet it all on 1 game 2 weeks later. there wasn't anything unusual about the particular game they bet or the amount but it was the fact tony thought they were taking a shot against him by betting over the limit of guy 1's account. conspired to circumvent the limit can be construed as taking a shot. it doesn't matter if it was an NFL side offered by everyone. that is moot. it was the act of betting over the limit that was considered taking a shot. enough of this please. tony ruled. doesn't need proof. suspicion was enough.

[GigaOuts]

I wonder if bet365 limit me me to $9.50 cdn so they can catch me open another account to take my balance or freeroll my max bet? It easy to catch me since all I do is bet mma, no other sport or casino. UFC is such a small market, I wouldn't doubt it if my city have less than 10 mma punter.

They did double my limit recently to $19, no longer a happy meal max....lol. Come on bet365, $200 limit! You are SBR A+ sportbooks, step up like industrial leader that you are.

[evo34]

ridiculous - you can't have 2 accounts - because i disagree with you i am hung up on defending a book - been here a long time , check past posts i stick up for who i think is right book or poster.

Why would someone actually require PROOF that you were circumventing the site's limit of one account per person? Once someone makes an accusation, the matter is closed, right?

[evo34]

this is a reason to deposit at 5dimes. not take out your money. they caught someone trying to circumvent rules. they payed him partially anyways. they could have not payed him at all.

You'd be a great defense attorney: "My client only put the tip in. He could have put the whole thing in. The plaintiff should be happy."