This is a lie. Tony when asked in the chat when I could expect my refund, what did he say? NEVER. Now he changes his tune and you guys quickly give him the benefit of the doubt. Must be nice to be on the right side. I have been completely honest and this is what happens. This is messed up but thanks SBR for putting a stamp on how TRUELY MESSED UP THIS ONLINE GAMBLING INDUSTRY IS. I CAN'T wait until the US gets in the game so there can be some real watchdogs who care enough to call it straight. Not just work 5D damage control at the expense of ruining the credibility of the real victim in the situation.
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but we all know those books don't line sbr's pockets.....so no a ratings for them...sbr are complete frauds....betislands taught us this....and sbr's sucking of tony's rooster just reinforces itComment -
if the op really tried to get over on 5 dimes he would have gone away by now and begged for his money back...sbr not saying one negative thing about tony and his threats and childish behavior....laughable.Comment -
op, if you deposited with cr-e-di-t card, they would send you a confirmation email. Just post the email.
Or, you could just go to the "Transaction" page in your 5dimes account, and post the time stamp of your deposit.
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i'm pretty sure sbrforum meant erroneous boxing lines. pointing out that you deposited the same day as making your past posted bets does not help you.
what is the time difference between depositing and placing the bets?Comment -
Hi Jay,
All the subterfuge is unnecessary. Your funds were never in danger. Please follow the advice of the SBR analyst you've been in contact with, which is really as simple as logging onto 5Dimes live help and making arrangements for the refund with one of the 5D managers specified.Comment -
So are all the players who voted 5Dimes the top sportsbook in 2013 and 2014 frauds too?
You, the fellow that never even played there and have zero first hand experience about 5Dimes?? But somehow you think a micro small book with 1/100th the selection and higher juice is better??? I don't want to insult you but your argument is very weak.Comment -
No I didn't watch the event at all. When I watch someone enter the ring I lock it in right before the fight starts. Obviously after everything that has been learned over the last few days this fight started and ended way before the listed start time. My first bet on the fight was locked in 11 minutes after the listed start time which should be even more evidence that I didn't watch the fight and obviously had no clue aside from the line start time listed on 5D.Comment -
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I'm making it more obvious? The Stevens fight also got locked in 20 minutes later than the listed start time. The SAME EXACT start time. That fight was graded. What was the difference? How would you separate both instances from each other? Please explain how one stands and one doesn't, but still implicate the guy who made both as having been wrong. Obviously they were two random selections and one fight happened to have happened already. If 10:45pm is the 0 in the scale then how does one bet outweigh the other to find me guilty of knowingly past posting. You came in with a strong lean from the beginning.Comment -
Did we ever find out what time this fight actually started and finished?
Was it still going when the first bet was made?.Comment -
I'm a business owner too and would agree with you there. But you named a couple of books with just as animated guys at the top. They have stiffed industry folks and paid players in lonnnng drawn out payment plans. Ask them and quote me if you like. And while Tony is no angel he has never stiffed or had anyone on a payment plan.
If you don't want to play there because he roughs up scammers that is one thing. But to say they are not a great book when you have never even tried them is another. They are in a class by themselves when it comes to selection and price.Comment -
Hmm.... By "happen to have happened", you mean, one of the games you deposited to bet on was already over. Sounds to me like if you had been straight up from the beginning, you'd very well have saved everyone involved some time and been on your way already.
Maybe you thought by feigning ignorance you would've had the fake winnings honored? The casino isn't going to bend over backwards to accommodate you immediately as soon as your hand gets caught in the cookie jar, especially when you go on a rant and stop short of blaming the milkman for it?
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At the bare minimum, you knew what time it was when you made the bet, which you knew was past the posted time. The rules are clear that you're not allow to bet past posted. The fact that it was well after the actual start time only makes it worse that you also knew the result, particularly given that you had just deposited the money and your nonsensical explanation that you always wait until the last minute to bet fights so you can watch the fighter enter the ring since obviously that didn't apply in this situation as you stated you were at work and had no way to know when the fight started. And then the way you started the chat with Tony was pretty suspicious as well. I'm not defending what he said to you, but you looked guilty right from the start of that chat.
Yes, I came in with a strong lean from the beginning, which is based upon the facts that were presented. I started off suspicious but said there was not sufficient proof. The more you talk and the more facts that are presented the more convinced I am that you knowingly bet past posted and you knew the results of the fight.
One thing that Tony said that is accurate and totally appropriate is that you are that special 1% that keeps arguing your case in the face of all the evidence to the contrary. You would be wise to take back your deposit and take the benefit of the lesson learned.Comment -
"Happen to have happened"meaning learned after the fact. C'mon man. This is getting ridiculous. It has been 3 days already. You don't expect that after the chats with Tony and all this drama I know NOW that the fight happened before the bet? That's what "happen to have happened" means in the context I used it. People will continue to jump in the thread and be swayed by the SBR decision since it's too late at this point to read everything and play catchup. It's easy to take things out of context. This sucks for me, but if karma is real one day it will happen to you, and when you try to get help to find justice, someone can dish out the same coldhearted skepticism and judgements.Comment -
I hope it happens to you is all I am going to say. Suspicious this suspicious that, you are just one suspicious paranoid mf. I didn't do nothing wrong but place a regular bet. End of story. You obviously know nothing about fight bets since you think listed start time plays any factor in what time it is ok to lock in a bet. Line shouldn't have been up at all to cause confusion if the fight was over via 12round decision(long time), is the reality of the situation. That 1% you speak of applies to the one who actually told the truth asshole. I'm done with this thread. Clearly there is no reason to keep debating. SBR already took a side, the expected one. I'm done here. For everybody who doubted me, I hope it happens to you and you go through the same bs. You deserve it. Peace, and goodluck to everyone else on your wagers. (Make sure you research each event.)Comment -
Show a screenshot of the deposit.
If you really deposited and bet the full amount on that..I wouldn't give you any money back.
If you deposted 1k, lost 600 and then bet 400 on a fight, which had already happened. I'd give you the 400 back and give you the boot.
Did you already live chat with 5dimes to talk about your refund? How did it go?Comment -
Go back to page 3 and look at the jpeg asshole. Uninformed posts which don't care enough to look over the thread to see the facts before posting an opinion/judgement shouldn't even count. They serve only to sway opinions and change the context of the dispute entirely. $1,000 was deposited. That much wasn't even disputed by Tony. The fact you want proof of that and that you don't know how much was wagered of that $1,000 shows you didn't review the thread, only posted comments. I didn't lose that night. picked 2 fights correctly for a handsome sum which is why Tony took exception. I won't be begging Tony for my money back. I'm getting my money back and it won't be by being the poor sap who has to admit to a bs lie in hopes this "god" releases my funds. Like I said in a previous post, if you cared to look back and read the thread before being so biased as shown in your previous posts, I am American and we fortunately have options in these situations. Last post for real and no more questions.Last edited by JayMoney24_7; 01-28-14, 03:03 PM.Comment -
I hope you didn't post this with a straight face. You preface your post by stating you don't like to discuss ongoing player complaints, which is a smart move and indicative of professional protocol. The problem is you go on to make a partial judgement as far as tony running an "anti-scammer pr campaign" and implying op is a scammer thereby completely bypassing your statements about allowing the decision to come. This post shows the type of bias that comes from the top. A true third party review site would stay on a hard line about not discussing the case until it has been heard and allowed to be made public.
This is beside the fact that any impartial review body would not allow the behaviour of tony to maintain an A+ rating. I don't care what the player did, that is a separate issue that will come out, but your position should be to influence a change in how clients are handled at that book because objectively you should be advocating for books to provide respectful customer service and any discipline should be handled through appropriate action, not pointless childish banter that gets the player no where.
Tony clearly had his mind up. He clearly isn't stupid and knew exactly where this circumstance would end - principal wager returned and shown the door. Why can't you advocate for this to occur in a respectful, professional manner? This whole thread and complaint could have been avoided but tony chose to prolong this, make an example, and waste everyones time for a simple resolution. Your words indicate you have no issues with these rants, which tells readers your impartiality is compromised.Last edited by 23Edler_Salo6; 01-28-14, 03:16 PM.Comment -
For all you do Kraken and Jaymoney -These Hot dog and Bonus picture is for you
And a bonus picture of Ed McmahonLast edited by SBR Jonelyn; 01-15-15, 10:35 AM.Comment -
why won't you show deposit timestamp?Comment -
Your pic on page 3 doesn't show what time the deposit hit your account. I don't recall seeing that in any of your pics. I assume your failure to post that info is because it was made just a few minutes prior to your bet, which would implicate you further.
Despite all of this, you somehow think you are entitled to the winnings of a past posted wager, and/or a refunds of all your deposits which you lost fair and square. That's just more proof you're a scammer. I don't particularly agree with the way Tony handled it. I wouldn't have approved of a casino beating up scammers like in the movie Casino either, but that wouldn't keep me from going since I'm not a cheater.Comment -
Good Luck JayMoney, I hope you at the very least get your money back. We will probably never know all of the facts of what happened so dont hold it against the peanut gallery. You wouldn't believe how many people come on here with similar stories, there are some very good reads on SBR from the lady in Minnesota whose account was traced back to a Costa Rican sportsbook employee (5*****) to the Dollar Scholar Cole Bartiromo and his magical 15 team parlays. This place has literally seen it all so of course everyone will be skeptical. Let us know what happens.Comment -
Fair criticism. Except for the fact there were many pages asking for an SBR comment and in any case I have nothing to do with complaints. I offered my opinion and prefaced it with "If the facts are close to as (you) stated" clearly meaning I do not know them. So fair enough but I felt a comment would not be inappropriate.
As far as bookmakers behavior, this is not JP Morgan, this is an offshore bookmaker. They all are pretty rough. Even the Euro books are rough. BetFair is brutal as well. If we rated books on their conduct of how they handled scammers they would eventually all be an F. Most guys sorta inherently understand that if you scam a bookie you won't be talking to a geek in a bow tie. So until the poster poll has 5Dimes somewhere other than #1 I would not expect a rating change.Comment -
or when 5 dimes no longer pays for their A+ rating and sponsorComment
