This is a lie. Tony when asked in the chat when I could expect my refund, what did he say? NEVER. Now he changes his tune and you guys quickly give him the benefit of the doubt. Must be nice to be on the right side. I have been completely honest and this is what happens. This is messed up but thanks SBR for putting a stamp on how TRUELY MESSED UP THIS ONLINE GAMBLING INDUSTRY IS. I CAN'T wait until the US gets in the game so there can be some real watchdogs who care enough to call it straight. Not just work 5D damage control at the expense of ruining the credibility of the real victim in the situation.
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JayMoney24_7SBR Wise Guy
- 10-10-13
- 997
#281Comment -
bostonbossSBR MVP
- 02-04-09
- 3169
#282but we all know those books don't line sbr's pockets.....so no a ratings for them...sbr are complete frauds....betislands taught us this....and sbr's sucking of tony's rooster just reinforces itComment -
bostonbossSBR MVP
- 02-04-09
- 3169
#283if the op really tried to get over on 5 dimes he would have gone away by now and begged for his money back...sbr not saying one negative thing about tony and his threats and childish behavior....laughable.Comment -
tb1984SBR MVP
- 09-11-08
- 3112
#284
Or, you could just go to the "Transaction" page in your 5dimes account, and post the time stamp of your deposit.
Read my other thread about when I was trying to go from $150 to $10,000. That was like a week ago and I had challenged myself by trying to work with a small bankroll. Read the explanations for why I like fights and look at the times in relation to the bets I placed. i copy and pasted each bet shortly after making it. it was called JayMoney's Cashout Thread. Why wait till cutoff time when betting on fights? Easy. As a fighter myself, I know the fight game is 90% mental. How you come out to a fight, and your psyche coming to the ring says a lot. If a fighter looks scared, nervous, distraught, unmotivated, etc it will show in the ring. Was I planning all this bs a week/2wks ago too? Or is it my normal behavior? The fight game imo should never be bet on early because of injuries and mental factors that come into play. All my bets on fights in that thread were made in the last few moments until a poster who was following the thread suggested I put them out earlier. Yes I put those out slighty earlier for him. Before that though look at the rest. Mayweather vs Canelo locked that in right before the fight way back in Sept.2013 too. Garcia vs Lucas Mattyse locked that in right before the fight too. Go look at the JayMoney's Cashout Thread that died when the $150 br died. See if my tendacies changed in 4 months. I bet dogs a lot regardless of the mL. mL is just a #. It's all about who you like. Frequency on this bet was due to the limit. Otherwise it would have been 1 big fat amount.Comment -
The KrakenBARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 12-25-11
- 28917
#285This is a lie. Tony when asked in the chat when I could expect my refund, what did he say? NEVER. Now he changes his tune and you guys quickly give him the benefit of the doubt. Must be nice to be on the right side. I have been completely honest and this is what happens. This is messed up but thanks SBR for putting a stamp on how TRUELY MESSED UP THIS ONLINE GAMBLING INDUSTRY IS. I CAN'T wait until the US gets in the game so there can be some real watchdogs who care enough to call it straight. Not just work 5D damage control at the expense of ruining the credibility of the real victim in the situation.
He's gonna be a dick but I wouldn't worry about not getting your moneyComment -
The KrakenBARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 12-25-11
- 28917
#286Before editing that comment last night, the tmi one with the smiley face, I copied it on the ipad clipboard because I meant it. Here's what it said word for word copy and pasted:
Thankfully I'm American and don't have to be subjected to being at the mercy of the god of Costa Rica and public opinions. I'll leave it at that. Came clean with the people and they got my back. MODS thank you guys for your efforts, but I don't need the help anymore. You take advantage of people and it will bite you in the arse. Tony baloney can blow me! Captrobey throw up a hotdog 1 time please.Comment -
KaabeeSBR MVP
- 01-21-06
- 2482
#287i'm pretty sure sbrforum meant erroneous boxing lines. pointing out that you deposited the same day as making your past posted bets does not help you.
what is the time difference between depositing and placing the bets?Comment -
SBR ForumAdministrator
- 12-02-06
- 4559
#288This is a lie. Tony when asked in the chat when I could expect my refund, what did he say? NEVER. Now he changes his tune and you guys quickly give him the benefit of the doubt. Must be nice to be on the right side. I have been completely honest and this is what happens. This is messed up but thanks SBR for putting a stamp on how TRUELY MESSED UP THIS ONLINE GAMBLING INDUSTRY IS. I CAN'T wait until the US gets in the game so there can be some real watchdogs who care enough to call it straight. Not just work 5D damage control at the expense of ruining the credibility of the real victim in the situation.
All the subterfuge is unnecessary. Your funds were never in danger. Please follow the advice of the SBR analyst you've been in contact with, which is really as simple as logging onto 5Dimes live help and making arrangements for the refund with one of the 5D managers specified.Comment -
SBR_JohnSBR Posting Legend
- 07-12-05
- 16471
#289
You, the fellow that never even played there and have zero first hand experience about 5Dimes?? But somehow you think a micro small book with 1/100th the selection and higher juice is better??? I don't want to insult you but your argument is very weak.Comment -
JayMoney24_7SBR Wise Guy
- 10-10-13
- 997
#290No I didn't watch the event at all. When I watch someone enter the ring I lock it in right before the fight starts. Obviously after everything that has been learned over the last few days this fight started and ended way before the listed start time. My first bet on the fight was locked in 11 minutes after the listed start time which should be even more evidence that I didn't watch the fight and obviously had no clue aside from the line start time listed on 5D.Comment -
JayMoney24_7SBR Wise Guy
- 10-10-13
- 997
#291Hi Jay,
All the subterfuge is unnecessary. Your funds were never in danger. Please follow the advice of the SBR analyst you've been in contact with, which is really as simple as logging onto 5Dimes live help and making arrangements for the refund with one of the 5D managers specified.Comment -
HuskerExpatSBR High Roller
- 02-23-12
- 189
#292No I didn't watch the event at all. When I watch someone enter the ring I lock it in right before the fight starts. Obviously after everything that has been learned over the last few days this fight started and ended way before the listed start time. My first bet on the fight was locked in 11 minutes after the listed start time which should be even more evidence that I didn't watch the fight and obviously had no clue aside from the line start time listed on 5D.Comment -
bostonbossSBR MVP
- 02-04-09
- 3169
#293So are all the players who voted 5Dimes the top sportsbook in 2013 and 2014 frauds too?
You, the fellow that never even played there and have zero first hand experience about 5Dimes?? But somehow you think a micro small book with 1/100th the selection and higher juice is better??? I don't want to insult you but your argument is very weak.Comment -
JayMoney24_7SBR Wise Guy
- 10-10-13
- 997
#294I'm making it more obvious? The Stevens fight also got locked in 20 minutes later than the listed start time. The SAME EXACT start time. That fight was graded. What was the difference? How would you separate both instances from each other? Please explain how one stands and one doesn't, but still implicate the guy who made both as having been wrong. Obviously they were two random selections and one fight happened to have happened already. If 10:45pm is the 0 in the scale then how does one bet outweigh the other to find me guilty of knowingly past posting. You came in with a strong lean from the beginning.Comment -
bostonbossSBR MVP
- 02-04-09
- 3169
#295So are all the players who voted 5Dimes the top sportsbook in 2013 and 2014 frauds too?
You, the fellow that never even played there and have zero first hand experience about 5Dimes?? But somehow you think a micro small book with 1/100th the selection and higher juice is better??? I don't want to insult you but your argument is very weak.Comment -
OptionalAdministrator
- 06-10-10
- 60878
#296Did we ever find out what time this fight actually started and finished?
Was it still going when the first bet was made?.Comment -
SBR_JohnSBR Posting Legend
- 07-12-05
- 16471
#297I as a business owner would never ever conduct myself as tony does with his clients..therefore I would never do business with him...there is a way to handle disputes with customers...not threaten/name call/and declare himself god..ill play at my non sbr sponsored books
If you don't want to play there because he roughs up scammers that is one thing. But to say they are not a great book when you have never even tried them is another. They are in a class by themselves when it comes to selection and price.Comment -
bostonbossSBR MVP
- 02-04-09
- 3169
#298I'm a business owner too and would agree with you there. But you named a couple of books with just as animated guys at the top. They have stiffed industry folks and paid players in lonnnng drawn out payment plans. Ask them and quote me if you like. And while Tony is no angel he has never stiffed or had anyone on a payment plan.
If you don't want to play there because he roughs up scammers that is one thing. But to say they are not a great book when you have never even tried them is another. They are in a class by themselves when it comes to selection and price.Comment -
JetsfanSBR Sharp
- 07-07-08
- 276
#299I'm making it more obvious? The Stevens fight also got locked in 20 minutes later than the listed start time. The SAME EXACT start time. That fight was graded. What was the difference? How would you separate both instances from each other? Please explain how one stands and one doesn't, but still implicate the guy who made both as having been wrong. Obviously they were two random selections and one fight happened to have happened already. If 10:45pm is the 0 in the scale then how does one bet outweigh the other to find me guilty of knowingly past posting. You came in with a strong lean from the beginning.
Maybe you thought by feigning ignorance you would've had the fake winnings honored? The casino isn't going to bend over backwards to accommodate you immediately as soon as your hand gets caught in the cookie jar, especially when you go on a rant and stop short of blaming the milkman for it?
Just my two cents.Comment -
HuskerExpatSBR High Roller
- 02-23-12
- 189
#300I'm making it more obvious? The Stevens fight also got locked in 11 minutes later than the listed start time. The SAME EXACT start time. That fight was graded. What was the difference? How would you separate both instances from each other? Please explain how one stands and one doesn't, but still implicate the guy who made both as having been wrong. Obviously they were two random selections and one fight happened to have happened already. If 10:45pm is the 0 in the scale then how does one bet outweigh the other to find me guilty of knowingly past posting. You came in with a strong lean from the beginning.
Yes, I came in with a strong lean from the beginning, which is based upon the facts that were presented. I started off suspicious but said there was not sufficient proof. The more you talk and the more facts that are presented the more convinced I am that you knowingly bet past posted and you knew the results of the fight.
One thing that Tony said that is accurate and totally appropriate is that you are that special 1% that keeps arguing your case in the face of all the evidence to the contrary. You would be wise to take back your deposit and take the benefit of the lesson learned.Comment -
JayMoney24_7SBR Wise Guy
- 10-10-13
- 997
#301Hmm.... By "happen to have happened", you mean, one of the games you deposited to bet on was already over. Sounds to me like if you had been straight up from the beginning, you'd very well have saved everyone involved some time and been on your way already.
Maybe you thought by feigning ignorance you would've had the fake winnings honored? The casino isn't going to bend over backwards to accommodate you immediately as soon as your hand gets caught in the cookie jar, especially when you go on a rant and stop short of blaming the milkman for it?
Just my two cents.Comment -
JayMoney24_7SBR Wise Guy
- 10-10-13
- 997
#302At the bare minimum, you knew what time it was when you made the bet, which you knew was past the posted time. The rules are clear that you're not allow to bet past posted. The fact that it was well after the actual start time only makes it worse that you also knew the result, particularly given that you had just deposited the money and your nonsensical explanation that you always wait until the last minute to bet fights so you can watch the fighter enter the ring since obviously that didn't apply in this situation as you stated you were at work and had no way to know when the fight started. And then the way you started the chat with Tony was pretty suspicious as well. I'm not defending what he said to you, but you looked guilty right from the start of that chat.
Yes, I came in with a strong lean from the beginning, which is based upon the facts that were presented. I started off suspicious but said there was not sufficient proof. The more you talk and the more facts that are presented the more convinced I am that you knowingly bet past posted and you knew the results of the fight.
One thing that Tony said that is accurate and totally appropriate is that you are that special 1% that keeps arguing your case in the face of all the evidence to the contrary. You would be wise to take back your deposit and take the benefit of the lesson learned.Comment -
Ted ShecklerSBR MVP
- 01-08-14
- 1936
#303Show a screenshot of the deposit.
If you really deposited and bet the full amount on that..I wouldn't give you any money back.
If you deposted 1k, lost 600 and then bet 400 on a fight, which had already happened. I'd give you the 400 back and give you the boot.
Did you already live chat with 5dimes to talk about your refund? How did it go?Comment -
tb1984SBR MVP
- 09-11-08
- 3112
#304I hope it happens to you is all I am going to say. Suspicious this suspicious that, you are just one suspicious paranoid mf. I didn't do nothing wrong but place a regular bet. End of story. You obviously know nothing about fight bets since you think listed start time plays any factor in what time it is ok to lock in a bet. Line shouldn't have been up at all to cause confusion if the fight was over via 12round decision(long time), is the reality of the situation. That 1% you speak of applies to the one who actually told the truth asshole. I'm done with this thread. Clearly there is no reason to keep debating. SBR already took a side, the expected one. I'm done here. For everybody who doubted me, I hope it happens to you and you go through the same bs. You deserve it. Peace, and goodluck to everyone else on your wagers. (Make sure you research each event.)
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JayMoney24_7SBR Wise Guy
- 10-10-13
- 997
#305Show a screenshot of the deposit.
If you really deposited and bet the full amount on that..I wouldn't give you any money back.
If you deposted 1k, lost 600 and then bet 400 on a fight, which had already happened. I'd give you the 400 back and give you the boot.
Did you already live chat with 5dimes to talk about your refund? How did it go?Last edited by JayMoney24_7; 01-28-14, 03:03 PM.Comment -
23Edler_Salo6SBR High Roller
- 02-08-12
- 200
#306I don't like to talk about ongoing complaints. Something is always left out of the players story. Plus, it's definitely not good for business.
If you submitted your complaint it will be reviewed and a decision will be made like the other 50 or so complaints a week are handled. SBR ruled against 5Dimes in a $46k case and they paid. I'm not a fan of the scamming the scammer for damages argument. If the facts are close to as stated I would think the player gets his deposit back after Tony is satisfied that his anti scammer PR campaign has run its course.
5 Dimes is cruising to be the top book in 2014 as voted on by you guys, the players. Several of those expressing a negative opinion about them in this thread are, ironically enough, booted players for trying some of the same shenanigans.
This is beside the fact that any impartial review body would not allow the behaviour of tony to maintain an A+ rating. I don't care what the player did, that is a separate issue that will come out, but your position should be to influence a change in how clients are handled at that book because objectively you should be advocating for books to provide respectful customer service and any discipline should be handled through appropriate action, not pointless childish banter that gets the player no where.
Tony clearly had his mind up. He clearly isn't stupid and knew exactly where this circumstance would end - principal wager returned and shown the door. Why can't you advocate for this to occur in a respectful, professional manner? This whole thread and complaint could have been avoided but tony chose to prolong this, make an example, and waste everyones time for a simple resolution. Your words indicate you have no issues with these rants, which tells readers your impartiality is compromised.Last edited by 23Edler_Salo6; 01-28-14, 03:16 PM.Comment -
captrobeyBARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 09-02-10
- 34354
#308For all you do Kraken and Jaymoney -These Hot dog and Bonus picture is for you
And a bonus picture of Ed McmahonLast edited by SBR Jonelyn; 01-15-15, 10:35 AM.Comment -
KaabeeSBR MVP
- 01-21-06
- 2482
#309why won't you show deposit timestamp?Comment -
HuskerExpatSBR High Roller
- 02-23-12
- 189
#310Go back to page 3 and look at the jpeg asshole. Uninformed posts which don't care enough to look over the thread to see the facts before posting an opinion/judgement shouldn't even count. They serve only to sway opinions and change the context of the dispute entirely. $1,000 was deposited. That much wasn't even disputed by Tony. The fact you want proof of that and that you don't know how much was wagered of that $1,000 shows you didn't review the thread, only posted comments. I didn't lose that night. picked 2 fights correctly for a handsome sum which is why Tony took exception. I won't be begging Tony for my money back. I'm getting my money back and it won't be by being the poor sap who has to admit to a bs lie in hopes this "god" releases my funds. Like I said in a previous post, if you cared to look back and read the thread before being so biased as shown in your previous posts, I am American and we fortunately have options in these situations. Last post for real and no more questions.
Despite all of this, you somehow think you are entitled to the winnings of a past posted wager, and/or a refunds of all your deposits which you lost fair and square. That's just more proof you're a scammer. I don't particularly agree with the way Tony handled it. I wouldn't have approved of a casino beating up scammers like in the movie Casino either, but that wouldn't keep me from going since I'm not a cheater.Comment -
Ted ShecklerSBR MVP
- 01-08-14
- 1936
#311Go back to page 3 and look at the jpeg asshole. Uninformed posts which don't care enough to look over the thread to see the facts before posting an opinion/judgement shouldn't even count. They serve only to sway opinions and change the context of the dispute entirely. $1,000 was deposited. That much wasn't even disputed by Tony. The fact you want proof of that and that you don't know how much was wagered of that $1,000 shows you didn't review the thread, only posted comments. I didn't lose that night. picked 2 fights correctly for a handsome sum which is why Tony took exception. I won't be begging Tony for my money back. I'm getting my money back and it won't be by being the poor sap who has to admit to a bs lie in hopes this "god" releases my funds. Like I said in a previous post, if you cared to look back and read the thread before being so biased as shown in your previous posts, I am American and we fortunately have options in these situations. Last post for real and no more questions.
Hey Tony JR, settle down.
Glad you're getting some money back.Comment -
PD77SBR MVP
- 12-11-09
- 2381
#312Good Luck JayMoney, I hope you at the very least get your money back. We will probably never know all of the facts of what happened so dont hold it against the peanut gallery. You wouldn't believe how many people come on here with similar stories, there are some very good reads on SBR from the lady in Minnesota whose account was traced back to a Costa Rican sportsbook employee (5*****) to the Dollar Scholar Cole Bartiromo and his magical 15 team parlays. This place has literally seen it all so of course everyone will be skeptical. Let us know what happens.Comment -
SBR_JohnSBR Posting Legend
- 07-12-05
- 16471
#313I hope you didn't post this with a straight face. You preface your post by stating you don't like to discuss ongoing player complaints, which is a smart move and indicative of professional protocol. The problem is you go on to make a partial judgement as far as tony running an "anti-scammer pr campaign" and implying op is a scammer thereby completely bypassing your statements about allowing the decision to come. This post shows the type of bias that comes from the top. A true third party review site would stay on a hard line about not discussing the case until it has been heard and allowed to be made public.
This is beside the fact that any impartial review body would not allow the behaviour of tony to maintain an A+ rating. I don't care what the player did, that is a separate issue that will come out, but your position should be to influence a change in how clients are handled at that book because objectively you should be advocating for books to provide respectful customer service and any discipline should be handled through appropriate action, not pointless childish banter that gets the player no where.
Tony clearly had his mind up. He clearly isn't stupid and knew exactly where this circumstance would end - principal wager returned and shown the door. Why can't you advocate for this to occur in a respectful, professional manner? This whole thread and complaint could have been avoided but tony chose to prolong this, make an example, and waste everyones time for a simple resolution. Your words indicate you have no issues with these rants, which tells readers your impartiality is compromised.
As far as bookmakers behavior, this is not JP Morgan, this is an offshore bookmaker. They all are pretty rough. Even the Euro books are rough. BetFair is brutal as well. If we rated books on their conduct of how they handled scammers they would eventually all be an F. Most guys sorta inherently understand that if you scam a bookie you won't be talking to a geek in a bow tie. So until the poster poll has 5Dimes somewhere other than #1 I would not expect a rating change.Comment -
bostonbossSBR MVP
- 02-04-09
- 3169
#314or when 5 dimes no longer pays for their A+ rating and sponsorComment -
tb1984SBR MVP
- 09-11-08
- 3112
#315Go back to page 3 and look at the jpeg asshole. Uninformed posts which don't care enough to look over the thread to see the facts before posting an opinion/judgement shouldn't even count. They serve only to sway opinions and change the context of the dispute entirely. $1,000 was deposited. That much wasn't even disputed by Tony. The fact you want proof of that and that you don't know how much was wagered of that $1,000 shows you didn't review the thread, only posted comments. I didn't lose that night. picked 2 fights correctly for a handsome sum which is why Tony took exception. I won't be begging Tony for my money back. I'm getting my money back and it won't be by being the poor sap who has to admit to a bs lie in hopes this "god" releases my funds. Like I said in a previous post, if you cared to look back and read the thread before being so biased as shown in your previous posts, I am American and we fortunately have options in these situations. Last post for real and no more questions.Comment
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