Did you guys catch this?
Authorities claim that Athanas helped Gurian manipulate odds when they stood to take losses if too many wagers were being placed on certain teams.
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Manipulate odds? thats probably just line movement. They are a bit clueless with some claims. They said fulltilt was a ponzi scam.Comment -
Just withdrew most of my funds from The Greek untill the dust settles. Received my money in 5 hoursLast edited by SBR Staff; 04-11-13, 01:02 PM.Comment -
That's why I posted it. Stupid writers don't know how to write articles. Like he was supposed to leave the line the same regardless of the one sided action..lolComment -
When you read thru all those pages. One thing is clear. They did not lose anything.
Those guys cleaned up and could buy several countries with the money they madeComment -
They didn't lose any money but could spend the rest of their lives behind bars unable to spend it when convicted.Comment -
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So the greek also owned an ice cream shop?
Parlay cards and rocky road?Comment -
What's the point of cleaning up shop and taking in billions and billions when you'll be behind bars?? I'd rather have $5.00 in my pocket and a chance for freedom than to be rich... and the govt watching my every move. Juice ain't worth the squeeze. You make money in the world... and you were once a US citizen... and/or still have ties here... you're being watched. Time to pay the Piper.Comment -
I am not arguing about that. My post was in response to that nonsense about the greek manipulating odds in lieu of taking losses. Their operation was clearly profitable.
The thing no one is mentioning is the families, and how they are effected. The piper is going to get paid, and those families will be left with nothingComment -
I doubt anyone high up in Spiros group will lose it all.
These people aren't complete morons...they spread the investments around...but just in case, someone might want to grab a shovel and head to the Greeks house looking for the odd PVC pipe filled with cash.Comment -
Does anyone know of any offshore sb owner who never had ties to the USA? Seems like everyone stepped foot on US Soil or was born here.Comment -
Or maybe post on an internet forum all day, and make up lies?
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In a previous article I read, it said the US Govt is looking to seize a billion dollars in assets which is idiotic. Just because you take in a billion dollars in bets doesnt mean you made a billion dollars or anywhere near that. With all their smarts, it's sad they dont understand NET PROFIT.
Someone mentioned that it wouldnt be worth it for the tens of millions for the jail time. White collar crimes like these will rarely get more than 10 years. There's been people that have hustled citizens out of $100+ millions in ponzi schemes and if it's their first conviction, will probably get 10-15 years and get out in 3 with good behavior. Ninety percent of these people's assets are buried in other countries with no US jurisdiction and under other names that are multiple layers deep so good luck with trying to seize that. The success rate of seizing those assets is less than 20%.Comment -
give me a billion dollars ill do 5 yrs anytime...not like these guys will be in the violent section or put with violent criminals....Comment -
So another indictment for a small gambling shop, and still not a single indictment for any Goldman Sachs or other Wall Street operatives for manipulating trillions in junk assets and causing hundreds of thousands of citizens to lose their life savings in 2007/2008. Not 1 indictment. John Corzine "lost" billions of other peoples money at his "investment firm" and he hasn't even been investigated by a legal authority (not withstanding the dog and pony show at the congressional inquisition).
This should tell you who the FBI, Justice Dept., IRS, and all the other whores really work for, and let me give you a hint, it's not you and me or the American Citizen.
By the way, WTF is the Dept. of Homeland Security doing being part of these operations? For a supposed new government agency created to "protect" us from international terrorism, they sure seem to be involved in a lot of domestic activities that don't have the slightest connection to "terrorism", unless anyone, including US Citizens who embrace freedom and the constitution, are considered terrorists, which seems like it was the plan all along.Comment -
The US government got lucky because Skype was bought out by Microsoft recently in 2011. Now that it's owned by a US based company, I'm sure Microsoft was forced to comply. It would have been much tougher to get the digital footprint if Skype was still owned by its original Estonia developers.Comment -
This is a complete joke. These guys arrested in Clifton Park, NY are average joes and the typical bets were $10 or $20. I'm just minutes away from them and know for a fact they are completely harmless. I know some others who work there and like to bet and some have been connected to other local bookie busts, but again; 99% of it is low amount recreational fun bets. And I'm sure some of the sherriffs and prosecutors bet themselves since I worked for a few and know their deal. As everyone knows here this is just a money grab by law enforcement in the police state known as America. It amounts to the fact that most people who like to bet, prefer to not join betting sites and have to wire money from ** to strangers in other countries, so these guys would put their bets in on the internet and they'd square up when the balance got to be a few hundred. If America was smart they'd legalize and tax it, but instead they spend millions on LE and then make these arrests to recover some of the LE money spent. This is a big local story with almost all the people laughing at how stupid all of this is. America is a jokeComment -
If it was just a matter of "getting their cut", than they would simply ask for a percentage, which books would gladly give. But these agencies are nothing more than soldiers at the behest of their bosses, who ultimately are there to protect the monopolized business interests who control the legislative process through manipulation. The NFL, casino corporations, horse racing interests, indian tribes, and state lotteries all want an exclusivity to fleece suckers, and the NFL especially, has a LOT of power. And of course, your central authority doesn't want ANYONE freely exchanging money without their oversight and taxation, because their whole existence and prosperity is based on you being a slave. This unfortunately happens in every industry, we just don't know about most of it because we're not involved in most things, but it's extra slimy in gambling because they try to tell the uneducated sheep that they're protecting them from "predatory gambling", when in fact, they're protecting the real predatory gambling operators from you getting a better chance and a better price.
If I set up a a daily numbers lottery in a state, and gave 90% back to the players, and 5% to childrens cancer hospitals (and still be viable if I had volume), I'd be classified a scumbag and a criminal. But when the government offers daily numbers lottery, only give 50% back to the players, gives 6% to the retailer, give 10% to advertising agencies, has union employees making 6 figure incomes that dont do anything, and then gives the rest to "education", so they can indoctrinate children for 12 years, not to mention all the Teachers Union junkets to Hawaii, Vegas, and the Bahamas, these are somehow fair, and legitimate games. If only the public could come out of their trance for just a little while, perhaps we could get back to the road of being a free country again.Comment -
If I was arrested for illegal activities like not declaring to the IRS the millions I transferred from Panama which I made from offshore gambling activities and I was facing jail time and possible freezing of my assets my family would get a job and work. It's not the end of the world if you lose 5 millions. Just apply for a job and start working for a change instead of only worrying which pair of shoes to buy that matches your turquoise dress.Comment -
Pavy, you have 47k+ post. Clearly you understand that the people of this forum support gambling and do not consider it a criminal activity. Your comments come off as you are in support of the seizure of funds and properties of the very same people we do business with.Comment -
Bet with the people you feel comfortable with. Not long ago we watched Bodog and Cris go through the same thing. Those books were apparently closing 2 NFL seasons ago. See what the DOJ ended up with Bodog? And some of you laughed at the name switch. And then Tony copped heat from posters because he coincidentally had processor issues not so soon after so he faced the sky is falling scenario. Payments were delayed a week? Book was obviously closing. Yet still trucking along these days and determined to pull a Braveheart should it come to it.
You need to always... ALWAYS... do what feels right in your gut so you have no regrets. Remember, we're gambling here. As adults, with our own cash and no guns to our head. Doubly so if you unfortunately live somewhere that is oppressive about what you can do with your own hard earned money so you need to do your research. Doesn't matter what banner any forum flies because the same crap can and does happen with locals. It just doesn't make the news or you can't go to a forum to complain. And shit might happen to any banner book. It's how they've prepared for it and handle it afterward that gives them the reputation they deserve.
The end responsibility lies with all of us. I personally have a low risk tolerance. I don't bet at books with big bonuses because I prefer great lines instead. Others have different strategies and I've been told many times how I'm missing out. They make more than me overall and I accept that. Figure out who you are and what you can tolerate before anything else. However I think anyone who has ever dealt with Spiro knows he'll never stiff anyone. Not even a question. Nor if they have any clue about the US Justice system will they be concerned that he'll end up in the clink until he dies. It just won't happen.Last edited by shari91; 04-11-13, 04:09 PM.Comment -
Paid in 4 hours.Business as usuall.Comment -
I just chatted with legends for the heck of it, I bet they stay in business.Comment -
The fact that he came back to the US and surrendered means he won't see any hard time. Forfeiture of some cash and 14-18 months at most in a low security Federal Prison, aka Club Med.
When he stopped serving the US market it was with the intention of moving back to the US. Tony has always said he will never leave the US market because he has no intention of ever returning to the states. Sprios was obviously different.Comment -
No I said keep the funds off the US..like don't hoard your money in US banks, buy 10,000 acres in Texas and own US registered jets. Keep your money offshore, buy houses in different countries but don't you dare bring those funds or set foot in the US else you will get busted sooner or later.
I support the offshore industry as long as it stays offshore. If you made millions in the offshore business while you be stupid enough and bring them back in the US and get busted?Comment -
I'm sure most of these sites are already overseas, but if not, start bye-bye kissing mom and daddy cause they need to start packing.
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