get your money off of legends NOWWWWWWWWWW

[shari91]

The fact that he came back to the US and surrendered means he won't see any hard time. Forfeiture of some cash and 14-18 months at most in a low security Federal Prison, aka Club Med.

When he stopped serving the US market it was with the intention of moving back to the US. Tony has always said he will never leave the US market because he has no intention of ever returning to the states. Sprios was obviously different.

Exactly! I just wish more people understood what you're saying.

Regardless for those who are concerned, MBENZ is someone I've disagreed with about things before but he's always been straight up and we could talk respectfully. If he says he got paid in the timeframe listed then he did. If you want your money, ask for it because I'm positive you won't have problems getting it out. This book is one of the pillars for offshore bettors for a reason.

[lt56]

Bet with the people you feel comfortable with. Not long ago we watched Bodog and Cris go through the same thing. Those books were apparently closing 2 NFL seasons ago. See what the DOJ ended up with Bodog? And some of you laughed at the name switch. And then Tony copped heat from posters because he coincidentally had processor issues not so soon after so he faced the sky is falling scenario. Payments were delayed a week? Book was obviously closing. Yet still trucking along these days and determined to pull a Braveheart should it come to it.

You need to always... ALWAYS... do what feels right in your gut so you have no regrets. Remember, we're gambling here. As adults, with our own cash and no guns to our head. Doubly so if you unfortunately live somewhere that is oppressive about what you can do with your own hard earned money so you need to do your research. Doesn't matter what banner any forum flies because the same crap can and does happen with locals. It just doesn't make the news or you can't go to a forum to complain. And shit might happen to any banner book. It's how they've prepared for it and handle it afterward that gives them the reputation they deserve.

The end responsibility lies with all of us. I personally have a low risk tolerance. I don't bet at books with big bonuses because I prefer great lines instead. Others have different strategies and I've been told many times how I'm missing out. They make more than me overall and I accept that. Figure out who you are and what you can tolerate before anything else. However I think anyone who has ever dealt with Spiro knows he'll never stiff anyone. Not even a question. Nor if they have any clue about the US Justice system will they be concerned that he'll end up in the clink until he dies. It just won't happen.

If you can withdraw your money from Legends, you'd be a fool not to. Spiro has been arrested. With all the solid books why would anyone leave their money with Legends? Get your money if you can and then see how this shakes out a year from now. Who cares if someone never stiffed? Once they're arrested and looking at having millions taken from them, the game is up and their concern is themself

[katstale]

Legends is completely LEGAL entity in Panama and I am sure MOST of their money and players funds is sitting in a Panama bank. In addition, they have silent ownership of B&M places. I imagine whatever hit they take from the USA business going down is minimal. I am sure they can pay everybody out who wants out. I don't believe this is a panic situation.

[shari91]

If you can withdraw your money from Legends, you'd be a fool not to. Spiro has been arrested. With all the solid books why would anyone leave their money with Legends? Get your money if you can and then see how this shakes out a year from now. Who cares if someone never stiffed? Once they're arrested and looking at having millions taken from them, the game is up and their concern is themself

What do you mean if "you can"? Have you heard of anyone not being able to?

People can do whatever they want... that was the whole point of my saying do what you feel comfortable with. Calvin was also 'arrested and looking at millions taken from him'. Him and his customers are still smiling. In fact the DOJ even seized his domain... remember that? That one thing that a lot of people thought would spell the end since everyone knew him as Bodog? Well now he's Bovada. A lot of giggles from so called experts and A LOT of predictions of doom. Doing just fine.

If someone wants to take out their cash, that's their perogative. But at least don't scare monger unnecesarily unless people start reporting payment irregularities. Have yet to see one yet.

[pensfan1919]

What do you mean if "you can"?

Ever hear of a rollover?

[Nick Papageorgio]

Carper on the hook as an accessory

[shari91]

Ever hear of a rollover?

Ever hear of a rollover?

Ever hear of if that's the case, you were stuck there anyway until you complete the rollover so what's the difference now? You take a bonus, you complete the rollover. Again: Many of us choose to forgo bonuses for specific reasons.

Complete your rollover and submit a cash out. Just like you would without this development. If you end up even having money to cash out and run into weird hurdles when you try then let us know. If not... not sure what anyone would be concerned about yet when no one's reported a pymt irregularity and we have one report of a normal pymt.

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[stevex]

Ever hear of if that's the case, you were stuck there anyway until you complete the rollover so what's the difference now? You take a bonus, you complete the rollover. Again: Many of us choose to forgo bonuses for specific reasons.

Complete your rollover and submit a cash out. Just like you would without this development. If you end up even having money to cash out and run into weird hurdles when you try then let us know. If not... not sure what anyone would be concerned about yet when no one's reported a pymt irregularity and we have one report of a normal pymt.

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[BoontonNJ]

Nobody will do heavy time. Some guys may get freaked out by the feds piling up the charges but thats usual bullshit. Take a plea, pay a fine, give them ur vacation home, back to biz.

[lt56]

What do you mean if "you can"? Have you heard of anyone not being able to?

People can do whatever they want... that was the whole point of my saying do what you feel comfortable with. Calvin was also 'arrested and looking at millions taken from him'. Him and his customers are still smiling. In fact the DOJ even seized his domain... remember that? That one thing that a lot of people thought would spell the end since everyone knew him as Bodog? Well now he's Bovada. A lot of giggles from so called experts and A LOT of predictions of doom. Doing just fine.

If someone wants to take out their cash, that's their perogative. But at least don't scare monger unnecesarily unless people start reporting payment irregularities. Have yet to see one yet.

You know more about the industry than me and maybe no one at Legends losing any of their money, but with so many great books, I just don't see why anyone would leave their money with a book who's owner has been arrested. I've been with 5Dimes for many years, but would withdraw all funds if Tony got arrested in America. On a sidenote, I don't understand why anyoe connected to Legends would have been living in America still. On another sidenote, living in America really sucks lately.

[dark star]

I will pay .85 cents on dollar if any one interested

[PanamaBrad]

I just saw the news abt Big Mike. Wow, got picked up in Miami. Want to say he is one of nicest guys in the industry. Last time I saw him he was "half" Big Mike. Had lost some serious weight and had a smokin hot girl with him. Whenever I was at his place in PC, was always treated with class. Even when Kats killed em for a few weeks, he never once blinked. Demeanor never changed. I hope he escapes this with minimal/no time. I know he was 100% legit under our laws. Not sure abt the USA side. GL to you Mike.

[Scorpion]

Nobody will do heavy time. Some guys may get freaked out by the feds piling up the charges but thats usual bullshit. Take a plea, pay a fine, give them ur vacation home, back to biz.

Federal sentencing point system depends on their criminal history and the dollar amount, racketeering is major

[Scorpion]

i hope the feds offer them a fair deal

[touchback]

Lots of idictments over the years and I can think of one over ten years ago and still business as usuall. HAve no, none or othing in the US and then nothing they can really do. It is not illegal to offer international wagering it is illegall to use US onshore processors.
The Feds are going to take evry penny they can find and if any time is given instead of plead out it is not gonna be much and not going to be in no Fed Super Max.... I just mentionedin a thread a couple days ago more ws coming....

[TheMoneyShot]

I love how majority of these posters say 8 or 10 years is fine... be out in no time. You are confined in basically one area... for 8 years. You can't fuk whoever you want... except another guy.... you have zero freedom. And 50% of your energetic life is gone. Most of these guys are in their 40's and maybe 50's... Yep... business as usual? There's no life left for these guys.... their dead anyways by the time they get out. These guys are fukked.

[15805]

What do you mean if "you can"? Have you heard of anyone not being able to?

People can do whatever they want... that was the whole point of my saying do what you feel comfortable with. Calvin was also 'arrested and looking at millions taken from him'. Him and his customers are still smiling. In fact the DOJ even seized his domain... remember that? That one thing that a lot of people thought would spell the end since everyone knew him as Bodog? Well now he's Bovada. A lot of giggles from so called experts and A LOT of predictions of doom. Doing just fine.

If someone wants to take out their cash, that's their perogative. But at least don't scare monger unnecesarily unless people start reporting payment irregularities. Have yet to see one yet.

I haven't fullfilled my rollover requirement to cash out! Any suggestions or help?

[katstale]

Simple answer is always best. Keep wagering until u fulfill the requirement and then ask for a payout. (drumroll) I will be here all week.

As an aside, I can not play at Legends, but I have been in the company of many of their higher ups. In an industry full of sleeze, these people have always been the antithesis. I would like to comment more but my justifiable paranoia constrains me.

I haven't fullfilled my rollover requirement to cash out! Any suggestions or help?

[poker6469]

been real lucky lately got out of bet ed in the nick of time and ledgends .

new somthing was up had that feelingwhen the processors were working for cards one week and the next they wouldnt.and i have been with them 15 years and backed off almost a year ago been going to vegas alot and useing mobile betting on my phone and going to the lvh super book and love it.i will never put a penny in off shore books again.get your money out and find a local i know it sucks but its over boys.this is how you do it now.

[Scorpion]

They will do some time in a federal camp, the guy from wsex did time in a federal camp in LV called Nellis, most guys there are doing time for white collar crimes

I love how majority of these posters say 8 or 10 years is fine... be out in no time. You are confined in basically one area... for 8 years. You can't fuk whoever you want... except another guy.... you have zero freedom. And 50% of your energetic life is gone. Most of these guys are in their 40's and maybe 50's... Yep... business as usual? There's no life left for these guys.... their dead anyways by the time they get out. These guys are fukked.

[MBENZ]

I haven't fullfilled my rollover requirement to cash out! Any suggestions or help?

You can forfeit whatever bonus you took and cash out anytime.

[mighty maron]

How can intelligent people who run these businesses keep significant assets in the US?

Shame when you root for individuals over your own government but the greed on the federal level is outstanding

[davidchong]

Update: The Gaming Control Board in Panama will review the license. As today, business is usual. From legal department of GCB its 90% license is fine and running. Call Center is working normally.

[touchback]

[QUOTE=mighty maron;18371398]How can intelligent people who run these businesses keep significant assets in the US?

Right... thats where all the legislation is that gets guys pinched or assets frozen and or seized... US onshore processing. If your in the biz then your out of the US... period. Cannot have it both ways or your taking some serious risk which just are not worth it in my opinion. Anyway, what does the US really have that you cannot compensate for across the rest of the world. The US, good riddence.... ask Antigua how they feel bought them and I ams ure you will get an ear full. Wonder when they are gonna start mass producing US copyrighted content and distributing across the globe. Now that will be interesting to see how that goes down.... US has now lost a few dozen World Trade Organization suits for for online gaming assault tactics... what a load of crap. Even the US head of state admitted it was legal to offer international wagering when in Costa Rica visiting with Chinchilla...

[Microphone]

You can forfeit whatever bonus you took and cash out anytime.

Take note of that. I have mentioned several times on these airwaves when the subject of bonuses comes up. I don't take them. But at Legends, you can do the above, which cannot be done at many shops. I may be wrong, but I will roll the dice and keep playing.

[d2bets]

What do you mean if "you can"? Have you heard of anyone not being able to?

People can do whatever they want... that was the whole point of my saying do what you feel comfortable with. Calvin was also 'arrested and looking at millions taken from him'. Him and his customers are still smiling. In fact the DOJ even seized his domain... remember that? That one thing that a lot of people thought would spell the end since everyone knew him as Bodog? Well now he's Bovada. A lot of giggles from so called experts and A LOT of predictions of doom. Doing just fine.

If someone wants to take out their cash, that's their perogative. But at least don't scare monger unnecesarily unless people start reporting payment irregularities. Have yet to see one yet.

Does Legends have withdrawal limits though? Some books do. So while anyone could probably easily withdraw $1,000 just like that, it might not be as easy, or it might take awhile, to withdraw $100,000.

[RonPaul2008]

They should allow sportsbook transfers as they did in the past.

[bostonboss]

received a high 3 figure amount in 5 hrs today..business as usual

[d2bets]

received a high 3 figure amount in 5 hrs today..business as usual

How can 3 figures ever be high?

[physed]

How can 3 figures ever be high?

$999

[Speedy88]

Wow, just withdrew all my funds from them on Wednesday. Thank goodness. Didn't need another BetIslands fiasco.

[losemyloot]

Wow really going to miss those rotten .20 baseball lines.

[raydog]

please go back and read post #11 ... this is not a bubble gum book run by crooks like lenny ... u.s govt. wont get the money from panama

[Boner_18]

If it were me I'd take every cent out of this book. Luckily I don't have anything there so I need not make the decision of 100% safety right now vs. possible reduced payments later.

If the people claiming its safe are right and you withdraw to play with a local or other offshore option you lose nothing except your being wrong... On the other hand if they are wrong and the panic people are right you lose everything....

Consequences of taking one tact are low (loss of action, missing lines, shame of being wrong, withdrawl fees) the loss of taking the other tact is catastrophic ($$). Reason and logic should prevail.

[TheMoneyShot]

If all these posts are correct about the funds still being used.... people placing wagers... etc.. I'm totally shocked. Apparently they want to go to jail for life. They'll just add it to the lawsuit. Extra power for the Plaintiff. No Biggie.