I've played at a lot of offshore books, and I got to say Legends was one of my least favorites. They payed me with no problem, but there site is vanilla and they don't have overnight NBA lines. Also didn't like that they wouldn't pay winning tickets right after the game was over. Sometimes took up to 20-30 minutes to grade a ticket a winner.
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Remember awhile back when Bookmaker had funds seized and indictments were written?Unless I missed something they're still going strong.Most of the listed people in this indictment were agents which are a dime a dozen.Legends wasn't and isn't some peanut book and doubt very seriously they shut down.Originally posted by TheMoneyShotComment -
Everything you said is of course correct, but nothing you say will put an end to the fear mongering. It's a shame.Originally posted by MBENZComment -
Urging caution in an industry fraught with legal and financial risk is not fear mongering. I'm not saying that isn't happening (see the title of the thread). But reason dictates an abundance of caution... The risk of being wrong is MUCH greater than the risk of being right.Comment -
I agree that caution is warranted, and I certainly don't object to anyone advising caution, but as you said, there is fear mongering in this thread... and THAT I feel is a shame.Originally posted by Boner_18Comment -
Apparently, you have absolutely no clue about the legal system. It always surprises me when someone who's completely ignorant of a topic will embarrass themselves by showing that ignorance off. Then again, why should the ramblings of an inept moron really surprise anyone.Originally posted by TheMoneyShotComment -
I dont think the US can freeze bank accounts on other countries.Comment -
If the other country says ok why not? Give them some of it and anything can be doneOriginally posted by acarmelo1Comment -
Well.... the US has got some leverage with certain banks and banking relastionships. The worst problem is that banking oppurtunists can decide to just seize account funds the see as vulnerable and Panama is one country known for this... you have been warned.Comment -
Legends has great customer service, but other than that there wasn't much reason for me to play there. But if they want to offer me a good reup bonus I'd deposit.
You guys shaking in your boots are either noobs or pusssiiies. The feds don't have jurisdiction in Panama. It's nothing more than a shake down, government wants their cut. Why do you think the "investigation" takes so long. They want the illegal bookmakers to grow the business before they shake them down. The people feds can get their hands on will pay fines..look at Ray Bitar from Full Tilt, even that fat slob thief isn't going to jail. He's gonna lose his house or some shit..government wants their cut. Every agency involved in the investigation and prosecution gets a piece of whatever property and money seized.
Prosecutors said they will seek forfeiture of real estate, bank accounts, a Sabreliner aircraft, and a variety of financial instruments connected to the operation.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/10/justic...ng-indictment/The DoJ is also seeking forfeiture of “at least $1b” traceable to assets including bank accounts and other financial holdings, real estate, vehicles (including a 2009 Maserati Quattroporte Sedan and a 1969 Mustang) and a Sabreliner aircraft. The indictment cites 22 domains connected with the Legendz operation, including BetJamaica.com and OlympicSports.com, but seeks the forfeiture of just six, all of them .com addresses. The BetLegends.eu site appears to be working just fine. The fact that no .com domains were seized in today’s action suggests it’s business as usual (more or less) for the operation.
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Exactly... this always comes down to the seizure of assets... very rare does any bookie do any time unless he is connected to racketeering, narco trafficking, extortion or bodily violence and or assault. Any of these three can get you some hard time if proven and convicted. Run a clean straight shop and lose a couple pennies here and there and it is the cost of doing business. It is called processor leakage...Originally posted by KindredComment -
Not exactly the best example. He's not going to receive jail time because he has a terminal heart condition and is not expected to live more than a year or two (iirc) without a heart transplant.Originally posted by KindredComment -
Right.... medical baby, means no time. Maybe an ankle monitor and he can hang out in one of his sweet mansions and get whatever he wants delivered...Originally posted by John DoughComment -
Legends should be fineComment -
I know more about law than you think guy.Originally posted by indio
Everything you typed came out of your vagina.Comment -
Originally posted by Speedy88
Man am I sick of the term Vanilla. So are the 5 locals who operate in my area. I'm fading the public here and saying Legends ends up being fine. I understand the fear some have after seeing the BI fiasco, but this is nothing like that. History shows this is more like the BoDog or Bookmaker "situations. " Think I will use history to make my decision.Comment -
In Panama, Yes.Originally posted by acarmelo1Comment -
Ok maybe Vanilla is the wrong word. Either way I didn't care much for their website interface.Originally posted by MicrophoneComment -
Guess I will need a new book that offers parlay cards. These old school cards are hard to find.Comment -
Originally posted by Speedy88
Speedy you're right, but I think it's getting outdated as offshore becomes more limited and more people turn to locals.Comment -
Maybe good for Philippines business. I am pretty sure Bodog came here to escape such things.Comment -
I think Calvin even makes coffee here! lolComment -
Legends Sports ‘Bookie’ to Remain Behind Bars: Deemed a ‘Fight Risk’
While three of four individuals arrested in Florida for their role in a massive multi billion dollar sports betting ring have been released on bond, one will remain behind bars.
Prosecutors claim Philip Gurian, 51, acted as a “bookie” out of his Boca Raton home on behalf of Panama-based Legends Sports. The Sun-Sentinel reported Monday evening that Gurian had employees working for him in 10 different states and 6 countries. He is charged with conspiracy to commit money laundering.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Carolyn Bell asked the judge not to allow Gurian bail, noting that he has two previous convictions and left the country on both occasions.
Gurian was convicted of a fraud-related charge in a stock scam case allegedly perpetrated by the DeCavalcante crime family in New Jersey. Authorities stopped Gurian at the France/Switzerland border attempting to use a fake passport at the time those charges were lodged against him.
Canadian authorities sent Gurian back to the US in 2008 following the issuance of an arrest warrant for failing to appear in court on a civil matter.
The Albany County Sheriff’s office initiated an investigation into the international gambling ring tied to Legends Sports, one of the first US-facing sportsbooks to set up a call center offshore in the mid-90’s. While authorities refer to Legends as an "online operative", the majority of its business is believed to have been handled via the phone with some money transactions allegedly handled on US soil through so-called "agents" and "runners".
34 individuals with direct ties to Legends Sports were indicted last Wednesday by the US Justice Department out of Oklahoma City.
Law enforcement utilized wire tapping of Skype conversations to build their case against Gurian, it was revealed on Thursday. Federal authorities have only released three transcripts of the Florida bookmaker’s phone calls, one of which has him claiming he “could bet up to $10 million at a time”. Authorities seized about $100,000 in cash and $15,000 in poker chips from Gurian’s home.
U.S. Magistrate Judge William Matthewman called his decision to keep Gurian behind bars a "close call" but acknowledged that the accused initial impulse in the past has been to flee.
If convicted, Gurian could face up to 20 years in prison.
Another man charged in last Wednesday’s indictment, Spiros Athanas, was arraigned on Friday in a Boston court. Athanas, also known as “The Greek”, had run Olympic Sports (TheGreek.com) up until a year-and-a-half ago before returning home to take care of a sick relative. He is named in last Wednesday’s indictment as an “owner” in Legends Sports.
Legends Sports continues to operate. Management insists all customer funds are safe. Some players have indeed reported receipt of funds since the indictments were announced last week.
- Chris Costigan, Gambling911.com Publisher
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I was 3000 short of rollover requirement when I heard this news. Bet it all and ask for a payout today!Originally posted by MBENZComment -
Wow a DeCavalcante connection. That's the real family behind the sopranos.Comment -
what does SBR have to say about the letter customers got today?Comment -
Nothing they will tell you it's business as usual lol. Just like bet islands fiasco!Comment -
When you log in all you get is that letter. You can't even access your balance. This should be interesting. Glad I had my $ with 5dimes and only had about $11 in legends that's been sitting there for a year because of how vanilla there site was. Only thing I liked about them was the speedy payouts!Comment -
Legends isOriginally posted by jmillionzComment -
That looks delicious speedy. Can you ship one over?Comment -
Got damn I step away from the business for a spell and come back to the whole damn system crumbling around me...Comment -
are these guys still around?Comment -
They now book cigarette bets in prison I hear.Comment -
any update?Comment -
On what, the cigarettes???Originally posted by bettingstationComment
