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19th HoleSBR Posting Legend
- 03-22-09
- 18949
#14526Comment -
19th HoleSBR Posting Legend
- 03-22-09
- 18949
#14527This election result is certainly not what I’d hoped for and a far cry from what I had expected.
On the surface it made zero sense to me that Americans could choose to elect such a loser with so many faults over a highly credentialled opponent who’d conducted a stunning electoral campaign after obliterating him in a debate which he then chickened out of following up on , whilst the loser had sparse turnouts at his hate rallies with bored attendees regularly departing early and some being abandoned late at night in the middle of a desert because he just doesn’t care about them after keeping them waiting for up to 3 hours!
After giving it a lot of thought the answer has finally dawned upon me. It’s really quite simple:
IT’S THE ECONOMY STUPID!!!!
Most American’s pay only scant regard, if even that, to the news and what’s really going on in economics and politics.
And what little they hear in the main comes from the likes of Fox and their chosen social media platforms which have been infiltrated by right wing and anti-American propaganda.
When you analyse the breakdown of surveys of election exit polling there is some very revealing information.
Leaving aside the horrific white supremacy influence where whites, including women preferred the rapist abortion denier over a highly credentialed coloured woman, the fact that higher educated voters who do pay attention to the news and politics voted appropriately.
Putting that together with the “IT’S THE ECONOMY STUPID” doctrine it all makes perfect sense.
Where do all these lesser educated Trump supporters get their news about the economy from?
Almost certainly they didn’t ever get to learn that the American economy is the envy of the world.
Fox and foreign dominated propaganda doesn’t repeat that on their preferred “news” platforms.
As a result of the lies and misinformation they have been fed they falsely blamed the Biden/Harris administration for the higher cost of living they have experienced.
And thus we have this debacle and potential end of American democracy under a fascist administration.
On a more personal front following this election, my wife and I have decided not to return to America.
And those in my family residing in Florida had already decided to leave De Santis’s horrifically corrupt freedom denying State.
But today, after lengthy discussions on their options it seems that they are already fearful enough, seeing the writing on the wall for where America is headed and will instead be emigrating.
You are clueless when it comes to acknowledging anything resembling the truth.
The American people have proven to be above the horse manure that the
Democrat/Socialists tried to shove down their throats.
You are truly a pathetic ignorant tool of the elite.
Keep drinking the same kool-ade.Comment -
guitarjoshSBR Hall of Famer
- 12-25-07
- 5788
#14528This election result is certainly not what I’d hoped for and a far cry from what I had expected.
On the surface it made zero sense to me that Americans could choose to elect such a loser with so many faults over a highly credentialled opponent who’d conducted a stunning electoral campaign after obliterating him in a debate which he then chickened out of following up on , whilst the loser had sparse turnouts at his hate rallies with bored attendees regularly departing early and some being abandoned late at night in the middle of a desert because he just doesn’t care about them after keeping them waiting for up to 3 hours!
After giving it a lot of thought the answer has finally dawned upon me. It’s really quite simple:
IT’S THE ECONOMY STUPID!!!!
Most American’s pay only scant regard, if even that, to the news and what’s really going on in economics and politics.
And what little they hear in the main comes from the likes of Fox and their chosen social media platforms which have been infiltrated by right wing and anti-American propaganda.
When you analyse the breakdown of surveys of election exit polling there is some very revealing information.
Leaving aside the horrific white supremacy influence where whites, including women preferred the rapist abortion denier over a highly credentialed coloured woman, the fact that higher educated voters who do pay attention to the news and politics voted appropriately.
Putting that together with the “IT’S THE ECONOMY STUPID” doctrine it all makes perfect sense.
Where do all these lesser educated Trump supporters get their news about the economy from?
Almost certainly they didn’t ever get to learn that the American economy is the envy of the world.
Fox and foreign dominated propaganda doesn’t repeat that on their preferred “news” platforms.
As a result of the lies and misinformation they have been fed they falsely blamed the Biden/Harris administration for the higher cost of living they have experienced.
And thus we have this debacle and potential end of American democracy under a fascist administration.
On a more personal front following this election, my wife and I have decided not to return to America.
And those in my family residing in Florida had already decided to leave De Santis’s horrifically corrupt freedom denying State.
But today, after lengthy discussions on their options it seems that they are already fearful enough, seeing the writing on the wall for where America is headed and will instead be emigrating.
If you're leaving America, do us a favor and renounce your citizenship.Comment -
Hareeba!BARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 07-01-06
- 37209
#14530couple of posts just shown up in my Twitter feed:
Someone was being pro-Trump at work, I told them “do you know your position is paid for by SPED dollars, which will go away if he gets rid of the DOE?”
They were dumbfounded
Some students in Citizen Classes I have taught are Trump supporters and have Trump voters in their families. Reading the group chats, they are shocked to learn we will not be offering classes in the new year as the grant status is in limbo!
Trump will eliminate the grants.
Tens of millions of ignorant dumbfuks have voted against their own best interests and are going to find out the hard way.Comment -
Hareeba!BARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 07-01-06
- 37209
#14531
So the Biden spending was also responsible for virtually every country suffering inflationary peaks ... and some still are?
Do some research before opening your gob.Comment -
Hareeba!BARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 07-01-06
- 37209
#14532Comment -
jackpot269SBR Posting Legend
- 09-24-07
- 12842
#14533Empty shelves across the country in stores, because of the supply chain, had no effect. I call Bullsh!t. When the supply chain breaks down, big companies raise prices and make huge profits that drives inflation.Comment -
Hareeba!BARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 07-01-06
- 37209
#14534Lots of Trump-loving Mexicans who would never vote for a smart woman president will be deported back to Mexico where they just elected a smart woman president.Comment -
guitarjoshSBR Hall of Famer
- 12-25-07
- 5788
#14535
So you're saying the economic policies of America have no impact on the rest of the world or the rest of the world didn't follow our lead and have massive stimulus?
Except the supply chain broke down more in 2020 and we had less inflation, and we had less inflation in 2018 when corporate profits were higher.Comment -
mjsuax13Moderator
- 03-14-15
- 25091
#14536from 01/20/2025 until the 2026 midterms on 11/03/2026 some 21 mos later i will be watching every single solitary move the POTUS, the Senate and the House make, and i do not want to hear any excuses or i will verbally shred you into oblivion.
be ready because i have the receipts and i will looking for you.Comment -
Hareeba!BARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 07-01-06
- 37209
#14537This gentleman has a message for the faux-Christians who voted for Trump.
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Hareeba!BARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 07-01-06
- 37209
#14538Trump & Musk plan to break the economy, wreck the dollar.
Tariffs & fewer immigrants means enormous inflation, spending cuts.
Gee where does that end up?
Some will be deported. Some will need an abortion or have a family member/close friend who does. Some will see their unions benefits destroyed. Some will see their marriages invalidated. A few billionaires & other very wealthy Americans will be happy.
How much most Americans just fukked themselves, well, they have no idea, but they're gonna find out.Comment -
Hareeba!BARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 07-01-06
- 37209
#14539MAGA,
As of today:
- Inflation 2.1%
- Unemployment is 4%
- GDP is 3%
- Manufacturing is booming, and only getting better.
The economic boom you're about to credit to Trump was brought to you by Joe Biden.
And when it crashes, that will 100% be on Trump and your votes.Comment -
Hareeba!BARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 07-01-06
- 37209
#14540Comment -
mjsuax13Moderator
- 03-14-15
- 25091
#14541good and i want social security and medicare gutted as well.
my parents don't need it because i am their son and am rich.
i will take care of them.
i just want all of the toothless, uneducated trumpers to lose their "entitlements" lol
here is a hint for you losers: social security and medicare are paid into by people like me so you losers can enjoy them.
i cannot wait to see what the next 4 years bring and let's see how donnie's defense spending thru the roof and the huge tariffs play out.
no excuses, sluts. no excuses.
Love the passion in this thread from all but let me tell you something- neither party is trying to fix any of it! It’s all just talking points and shit to distract us. They don’t want term limits, they don’t want wars to stop, they definitely won’t be taking less salary/pension/benefits no matter how good or bad the country does, they will gladly send poor kids from all over America to a third world warzone to get murdered and convince people they died for democracy and freedom, they will not think once about the deficit until their term is almost up, they already forgot about their constituents, they WILL VOTE the way their largest donors and lobbyists tell them to and they will all lie, cheat and scam behind the curtain to enrich themselves and their cronies. That is why millions are spent to get a $170k-450k job.
Hell, 15.9 billion was spent on this election cycle alone!
At this point- I agree! Gut social security, Medicare, the tax code and anything else the two parties can agree on. Show the American people a budget that will make every American more prosperous. They don’t what that shit either. By the end of the year I will have paid approximately damn near $2 million dollars in taxes and they just sent me another bill for $11k. Happy Holidays.Last edited by mjsuax13; 11-08-24, 03:08 AM.Comment -
guitarjoshSBR Hall of Famer
- 12-25-07
- 5788
#14542
Unemployment 4.1% (.05% from being 4.2%)
GDP 2.8% (a huge chunk is due to record peace time government spending)
Manufacturing is a disaster: https://tradingeconomics.com/united-...ing-production
When it crashes it will be due to all the spending and handouts that led to inflation that led to the Fed hiking rates which inverted the yield charbinger is a harbringer of recessions.Comment -
19th HoleSBR Posting Legend
- 03-22-09
- 18949
#14543
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/TheIRSgov?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheIRSgo v</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/IRS_CI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@IRS_CI</a> <br>Y'all need to audit this bitch: <a href="https://twitter.com/TishJames?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TishJame s</a> <a href="https://t.co/7MGhRTKOd7">pic.twitter.com/7MGhRTKOd7</a></p>— Chris Wickk (@Chris_Wickk_21) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chris_Wickk_21/status/1854651086570762402?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >November 7, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Mike Davis isn't playing around.
.Last edited by 19th Hole; 11-08-24, 04:17 AM.Comment -
BOA12SBR Posting Legend
- 02-19-12
- 20622
#14544Homie- why so angry pal? Every 4 years it’s the most important election of our lifetime, democracy is going to die, we are going to get rid of social security, Medicare, the deficit, we will balance the budget, China, Russia, North Korea, the Middle East is at war, I’m leaving America, I’m never coming back, blah blah blah…
Love the passion in this thread from all but let me tell you something- neither party is trying to fix any of it! It’s all just talking points and shit to distract us. They don’t want term limits, they don’t want wars to stop, they definitely won’t be taking less salary/pension/benefits no matter how good or bad the country does, they will gladly send poor kids from all over America to a third world warzone to get murdered and convince people they died for democracy and freedom, they will not think once about the deficit until their term is almost up, they already forgot about their constituents, they WILL VOTE the way their largest donors and lobbyists tell them to and they will all lie, cheat and scam behind the curtain to enrich themselves and their cronies. That is why millions are spent to get a $170k-450k job.
Hell, 15.9 billion was spent on this election cycle alone!
At this point- I agree! Gut social security, Medicare, the tax code and anything else the two parties can agree on. Show the American people a budget that will make every American more prosperous. They don’t what that shit either. By the end of the year I will have paid approximately damn near $2 million dollars in taxes and they just sent me another bill for $11k. Happy Holidays.
I want you & nash to do your tag team explanations as project 2025 gets implemented how great it will be, you guys R the best!
Gut and blowtorch everything!
Makes me sad that I've lost all respect for 2 magaaaaa embracing moderate conservatives here.
Happy Holidays!
By the way,the R party doesn't compromise, their sponsors won't allow it.
By the way, 20 million votes were challenged, fool proof method- not as blatant as suppression, purges and closing polling places,Still a great victory for your side.
Enjoy trickle down II, maybe it'll work this time, sounds like it will 4U.
Obviously I'm gone, sorry EZ, this place just a little 2 much of a magaaaa love-fest for me. Feel free to tear me a new one, I certainly deserve it #13.
magaaaa 2day, magaaaa tomorrow, magaaaa 4ever, goerge wallace lives on. JFC.Comment -
19th HoleSBR Posting Legend
- 03-22-09
- 18949
#14545john birch society wet dream , time to repeal FDR's new deal.
I want you & nash to do your tag team explanations as project 2025 gets implemented how great it will be, you guys R the best!
Gut and blowtorch everything!
Makes me sad that I've lost all respect for 2 magaaaaa embracing moderate conservatives here.
Happy Holidays!
By the way,the R party doesn't compromise, their sponsors won't allow it.
By the way, 20 million votes were challenged, fool proof method- not as blatant as suppression, purges and closing polling places,Still a great victory for your side.
Enjoy trickle down II, maybe it'll work this time, sounds like it will 4U.
Obviously I'm gone, sorry EZ, this place just a little 2 much of a magaaaa love-fest for me. Feel free to tear me a new one, I certainly deserve it #13.
magaaaa 2day, magaaaa tomorrow, magaaaa 4ever, goerge wallace lives on. JFC.
B.O.A - The definition of misinformation.
How do you stay alive? Still breast-fed by mommy?
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Hareeba!BARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 07-01-06
- 37209
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jt315SBR Posting Legend
- 11-12-11
- 21888
#14547john birch society wet dream , time to repeal FDR's new deal.
I want you & nash to do your tag team explanations as project 2025 gets implemented how great it will be, you guys R the best!
Gut and blowtorch everything!
Makes me sad that I've lost all respect for 2 magaaaaa embracing moderate conservatives here.
Happy Holidays!
By the way,the R party doesn't compromise, their sponsors won't allow it.
By the way, 20 million votes were challenged, fool proof method- not as blatant as suppression, purges and closing polling places,Still a great victory for your side.
Enjoy trickle down II, maybe it'll work this time, sounds like it will 4U.
Obviously I'm gone, sorry EZ, this place just a little 2 much of a magaaaa love-fest for me. Feel free to tear me a new one, I certainly deserve it #13.
magaaaa 2day, magaaaa tomorrow, magaaaa 4ever, goerge wallace lives on. JFC.
Funny how the racist Trump has given the Republican party the most diverse party in our lifetime .
Adios !
Last edited by jt315; 11-08-24, 07:48 AM.Comment -
mjsuax13Moderator
- 03-14-15
- 25091
#14548john birch society wet dream , time to repeal FDR's new deal.
I want you & nash to do your tag team explanations as project 2025 gets implemented how great it will be, you guys R the best!
Gut and blowtorch everything!
Makes me sad that I've lost all respect for 2 magaaaaa embracing moderate conservatives here.
Happy Holidays!
By the way,the R party doesn't compromise, their sponsors won't allow it.
By the way, 20 million votes were challenged, fool proof method- not as blatant as suppression, purges and closing polling places,Still a great victory for your side.
Enjoy trickle down II, maybe it'll work this time, sounds like it will 4U.
Obviously I'm gone, sorry EZ, this place just a little 2 much of a magaaaa love-fest for me. Feel free to tear me a new one, I certainly deserve it #13.
magaaaa 2day, magaaaa tomorrow, magaaaa 4ever, goerge wallace lives on. JFC.
No offense my friend but in my world there is no such thing as trickle down economics or a political savior. Save all the racist undertones also… I’m Hispanic but not your kind of Hispanic if that makes sense. I grew up in the projects in Detroit and mostly everyone I know is dead or in jail, family included. You have no clue about my world view or how I run my business but I will give you a clue…
Back in 2010, I landed $20 million in new business for a marketing firm and they gave me an iPad mini as a bonus. Trickle Down right?! I immediately quit my $150k job and launched my own company on January 1, 2011. I sold everything including my car, condo, all stocks and also cashed out my 401k to get the business going. In that process- I was sued by the firm I left. By time we settled I lived in a 1 bedroom apartment, had no income or clients, had about $1200 to my name and went to work over 120 hours a week from 2011-2017. My first billable month was $1200 and we were about bust… I now bill over $1 million a week. I have been acquired twice and in that process also acquired a larger business. As for trickle down- my partners and I bonus 60% of the profit to our people, leave 15% in the business and distribute the rest to ourselves. We have lost one employee in almost 15 years of business and most of the day 1 people are close to being millionaires, received a down payment for their home as a gift, I set up their kids college funds and in 12 cases I sponsored them to become legal citizens. We are not perfect but work to get better every single day. Guess what? No political party, policy or candidate ever did a damn thing to help us. The people with me since day 1 will own the business by 2035. The only 4 requirements to work for my business are:
1. Integrity
2. Courage
3. Accountability
4. Work ethic
We focus on things we control and that’s why we win.
-sorry to the rest of the forum for this long winded shitLast edited by mjsuax13; 11-08-24, 08:35 AM.Comment -
JAKEPEAVY21BARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 03-11-11
- 29268
#14550Woah pal, I’m not MAGA at all. Have never voted for Clinton, Trump, Biden or Harris. Could truly care less about either party. They have a vice grip on everyone’s brain with their narratives. There are no sides for me… Both have wrecked this country and our culture. Clearly you didn’t read Homie’s comments and entirely missed me being snarky with the comment about gutting things… gutting both parties would be a good start though.
No offense my friend but in my world there is no such thing as trickle down economics or a political savior. Save all the racist undertones also… I’m Hispanic but not your kind of Hispanic if that makes sense. I grew up in the projects in Detroit and mostly everyone I know is dead or in jail, family included. You have no clue about my world view or how I run my business but I will give you a clue…
Back in 2010, I landed $20 million in new business for a marketing firm and they gave me an iPad mini as a bonus. Trickle Down right?! I immediately quit my $150k job and launched my own company on January 1, 2011. I sold everything including my car, condo, all stocks and also cashed out my 401k to get the business going. In that process- I was sued by the firm I left. By time we settled I lived in a 1 bedroom apartment, had no income or clients, had about $1200 to my name and went to work over 120 hours a week from 2011-2017. My first billable month was $1200 and we were about bust… I now bill over $1 million a week. I have been acquired twice and in that process also acquired a larger business. As for trickle down- my partners and I bonus 60% of the profit to our people, leave 15% in the business and distribute the rest to ourselves. We have lost one employee in almost 15 years of business and most of the day 1 people are close to being millionaires, received a down payment for their home as a gift, I set up their kids college funds and in 12 cases I sponsored them to become legal citizens. We are not perfect but work to get better every single day. Guess what? No political party, policy or candidate ever did a damn thing to help us. The people with me since day 1 will own the business by 2035. The only 4 requirements to work for my business are:
1. Integrity
2. Courage
3. Accountability
4. Work ethic
We focus on things we control and that’s why we win.
-sorry to the rest of the forum for this long winded shitComment -
DwightShruteSBR Aristocracy
- 01-17-09
- 103157
#14551Woah pal, I’m not MAGA at all. Have never voted for Clinton, Trump, Biden or Harris. Could truly care less about either party. They have a vice grip on everyone’s brain with their narratives. There are no sides for me… Both have wrecked this country and our culture. Clearly you didn’t read Homie’s comments and entirely missed me being snarky with the comment about gutting things… gutting both parties would be a good start though.
No offense my friend but in my world there is no such thing as trickle down economics or a political savior. Save all the racist undertones also… I’m Hispanic but not your kind of Hispanic if that makes sense. I grew up in the projects in Detroit and mostly everyone I know is dead or in jail, family included. You have no clue about my world view or how I run my business but I will give you a clue…
Back in 2010, I landed $20 million in new business for a marketing firm and they gave me an iPad mini as a bonus. Trickle Down right?! I immediately quit my $150k job and launched my own company on January 1, 2011. I sold everything including my car, condo, all stocks and also cashed out my 401k to get the business going. In that process- I was sued by the firm I left. By time we settled I lived in a 1 bedroom apartment, had no income or clients, had about $1200 to my name and went to work over 120 hours a week from 2011-2017. My first billable month was $1200 and we were about bust… I now bill over $1 million a week. I have been acquired twice and in that process also acquired a larger business. As for trickle down- my partners and I bonus 60% of the profit to our people, leave 15% in the business and distribute the rest to ourselves. We have lost one employee in almost 15 years of business and most of the day 1 people are close to being millionaires, received a down payment for their home as a gift, I set up their kids college funds and in 12 cases I sponsored them to become legal citizens. We are not perfect but work to get better every single day. Guess what? No political party, policy or candidate ever did a damn thing to help us. The people with me since day 1 will own the business by 2035. The only 4 requirements to work for my business are:
1. Integrity
2. Courage
3. Accountability
4. Work ethic
We focus on things we control and that’s why we win.
-sorry to the rest of the forum for this long winded shit
people keep using the term trickle down economics and you are spot on, there is no such thing. Its a made-up political term. No economist will tell you it exists.Comment -
jt315SBR Posting Legend
- 11-12-11
- 21888
#14552Never said Trump can't win. Just that I wouldn't use Peter Teals site as a gage to what's happening.
According to you Trump is going to win by 18 points. He won't even win the popular vote.
If you want the truth I don't like either one. We will just be less fuked with Harris than Trump. The rich will still run this country, we will still drop bombs on innocent women and children, and still support corrupt leaders of other countries no matter who wins.
I find it funny that dumb fuks like you think you understand the world. You don't know dick. STFU!
Now go lick your hero's asshole fuking bootlicker.
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seymourSBR Hustler
- 11-13-07
- 92
#14553
This BS 34 felony conviction premised off a bogus statute that had NEVER been used once in NY's history - yeah, that judgment is getting overturned tooComment -
seymourSBR Hustler
- 11-13-07
- 92
#14554Paul Keating is not wrong.
We do have a door but we all know you ain't going anywhereComment -
DwightShruteSBR Aristocracy
- 01-17-09
- 103157
#14555anyone still actually believe Biden got 81 actually people to vote for him in 2020?
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here are the total vote count figures for Democrats in the last six elections:<br>2004 Kerry - 59M<br>2008 Obama - 69.5M<br>2012 Obama - 65.9M<br>2016 Clinton - 65.9M<br>2020 Biden - 81.3M<br>2024 Harris - 66.4M<br>Notice anything?<a href="https://twitter.com/simpatico771?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@simpa tico771</a></p>— Alan Watson (@DietHeartNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/DietHeartNews/status/1854651676885397962?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >November 7, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>Comment -
jt315SBR Posting Legend
- 11-12-11
- 21888
#14556Leteisha James and the State of NY has a 450M judgement too - problem is - a NY Appellate court all but said that it is not getting reduced - IT IS INVALID AND GOING TO ZERO
This BS 34 felony conviction premised off a bogus statute that had NEVER been used once in NY's history - yeah, that judgment is getting overturned tooComment -
jackpot269SBR Posting Legend
- 09-24-07
- 12842
#14557So you're saying the economic policies of America have no impact on the rest of the world or the rest of the world didn't follow our lead and have massive stimulus?
Except the supply chain broke down more in 2020 and we had less inflation, and we had less inflation in 2018 when corporate profits were higher.
Why do people that support the GOP always have to purposely be untruthful. What's the point!
This is from 9/21/2021 not 2020.
Some 65 cargo ships have been forced to queue outside two of America's biggest ports, in the latest sign of supply chain disruption hitting the US.
The ships are stuck outside the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach, California, which handle 40% of all cargo containers entering the country.
Before Covid, it was unusual for more than one to wait for a berth.
The backlog is linked to surging demand for imports as the US economy has reopened.
Retailers and manufacturers have rushed to place orders and restock their inventories, but the global shipping system is struggling to keep up.
And on Saturday a record 73 ships were stuck outside - almost twice as many as at the same time in August.
want to try that nonsense again.
Record backlog of cargo ships at California portsComment -
jackpot269SBR Posting Legend
- 09-24-07
- 12842
#14559Leteisha James and the State of NY has a 450M judgement too - problem is - a NY Appellate court all but said that it is not getting reduced - IT IS INVALID AND GOING TO ZERO
This BS 34 felony conviction premised off a bogus statute that had NEVER been used once in NY's history - yeah, that judgment is getting overturned tooComment -
jackpot269SBR Posting Legend
- 09-24-07
- 12842
#14560
TDS is not a term found in the AMA book either, so by Dwight's logic it doesn't exist.Comment
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