Death Penalty --- Yeah or Nay?

**Kermit** · 10-05-21, 11:28 PM

Yeah, I am Pro-Choice too.

**TheGoldenGoose** · 10-06-21, 12:15 AM

**dlowilly** · 10-06-21, 12:23 AM

Originally posted by TheGoldenGoose

All that time in there and he can't learn to write?

**Fidel_CashFlow** · 10-06-21, 01:13 AM

I'd like to say Nay, but there is too many people
who's crimes are so henious that they need to be
"put down " in whatever somewhat controlled way as possible

**VeggieDog** · 10-06-21, 01:30 AM

Get rid of the DP. Make prison, prison again. Put everybody in a separate cage 23 hours a day. One hour out to shower, by themselves.

No t.v. No radio. No books. No magazines. No mail. No photos. No phone calls. No visitors. No church service. No preachers. No entertainers. You just sit there for 23 hours a day. By yourself.

No interaction with any other prisoners, so no beatings or rapes. You just sit there for 23 hours a day. By yourself.

Your meals are delivered to you. Basic meals. No coffee. No soda. Just your meal. Everything will be either a sandwich or burrito, so no utensils will be given to you. You just sit there for 23 hours a day. By yourself.

No time off for good behavior. You're there for bad behavior. You do your whole sentence, every minute. You just sit there for 23 hours a day. By yourself.

**JIBBBY** · 10-06-21, 02:44 AM

Absolutely, I'm even game for bringing back quick speedy public hangings to help deter and curb violent crimes.

**Tuesday** · 10-06-21, 04:01 AM

I'll have to say nay, simply because I don't want any governments having the monopoly on killing - I'd rather have people killing people rather than governments killing people, it happens that way anyways so why not let governments get out of the false sense of security business altogether?

2nd amendment is for self defence and to properly defend ourselves we need governments to stop getting in the way.

Killing is neither good nor bad, it's the circle of life, but governments shouldn't be able to decide who lives or die - that's up to individuals, not gangs. If individuals are too scared or weak to kill for vengeance, they should not be able to call pig gangs to kill for them.

**WinDove** · 10-06-21, 04:47 AM

IMO it should be a case by case basis, some people can change, others are too far gone, so Yeah I guess.

**wombat** · 10-06-21, 08:34 AM

Shot and killed three people? There shouldn't be a debate about this.

**MinnesotaFats** · 10-06-21, 08:53 AM

Yes

The public aspect of a government sanctioned kill is still a deterrent I believe. We have private executions now, which lowers the impact on public policy, because there is no imagery, no discussion of the deceased, no analyzing of the crime.

If the Judge & Jury is subject to public observation, than the execution should be as well....and then kids would learn the meaning of responsibility and repercussions.

**hostile takeover** · 10-06-21, 10:19 AM

Tax payers funded him to live an extra 27 years?

**pimike** · 10-06-21, 10:26 AM

Yes

He was lucky to live that long.

Think about the victims.

**JIBBBY** · 10-06-21, 11:20 AM

Every lifer without parole in prison today that has committed murder in a violent crime like a robbery, home invasion, serial killers, etc. Should all immediately be put to death to save us tax dollars and free up prison space.

Firing squads works for me.

**The Kraken** · 10-06-21, 11:25 AM

I think we need more vigilante killings, really save the tax payers a few nickels.

Like the Petitos, they should be given first dibs on finding Bryan Laundry. If they find him, he should be dead. Temp insanity charges placed on the dad, a few years of probation and its win-win

**franklee168** · 10-06-21, 11:26 AM

No, because I'm friends with too many criminals.

**capitalist pig** · 10-06-21, 12:55 PM

Death penalty should be used a lot more. I was under the impression that this guy killed the three victims with a hammer and a gun. Used the hammer after the bullets didn’t kill them

**JIBBBY** · 10-06-21, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by The Kraken

I think we need more vigilante killings, really save the tax payers a few nickels.

Like the Petitos, they should be given first dibs on finding Bryan Laundry. If they find him, he should be dead. Temp insanity charges placed on the dad, a few years of probation and its win-win

**konck** · 10-06-21, 01:20 PM

I can't comment here because I'm not a judge
But this I know all 3 clerks had family that suffered greatly

**thezbar** · 10-06-21, 02:22 PM

In principle I oppose the death penalty. Yet crimes can been committed that are so vile I can't in good faith oppose it either. Like abortion / pro choice the death penalty issue will emit passionate responses from both sides.

The state of Oregon has sentenced over 100 criminals who will never by law be given a chance for parole.

The case of Richard Ramirez {aka the night stalker} comes to mind. Did his crimes deserve execution? Yes. Did he receive a fair trail with proper defense. No. Legal Shades of grey.

**JIBBBY** · 10-06-21, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by thezbar

In principle I oppose the death penalty. Yet crimes can been committed that are so vile I can't in good faith oppose it either. Like abortion / pro choice the death penalty issue will emit passionate responses from both sides.

The state of Oregon has sentenced over 100 criminals who will never by law be given a chance for parole.

The case of Richard Ramirez {aka the night stalker} comes to mind. Did his crimes deserve execution? Yes. Did he receive a fair trail with proper defense. No. Legal Shades of grey.

Richard Ramirez confessed to his murders. What fair trial does he deserve? Family and friend witnesses ratted him out also in the end. He had possessions of the murder victims in his possession also. He also proclaimed his faith to Satan. Richard Ramirez was and is guilty as sin. His appeals failed also.

He should have been put to death. He died on death row at age 53 of Hep C. Justice was served when he died in his cage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Ramirez

**thezbar** · 10-06-21, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

Richard Ramirez confessed to his murders. What fair trial does he deserve? Family and friend witnesses ratted him out also in the end. He had possessions of the murder victims in his possession also. He also proclaimed his faith to Satan. Richard Ramirez was and is guilty as sin. His appeals failed also.

He should have been put to death. He died on death row at age 53 of Hep C. Justice was served when he died in his cage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Ramirez

I agree with everything in your post. However there is a sixth Amendment issue. His lawyers should have used an insanity defense. In not doing so opened up a grey area.

**captrobey** · 10-06-21, 05:43 PM

Shot and killed people and this moron thinks he is still going to heaven. Good luck with that .

**SBR_Guest_Pro** · 10-06-21, 11:11 PM

Yeah

**jackpot269** · 10-07-21, 12:33 AM

The only reason I would not be for death penalty is sometimes an innocent person is convicted and its years later before the truth comes out, if it ever dose and it would be a tragedy to execute an innocent person. You cant undo that!!
Can you imagine driving just driving down the road and someone see you in the area where a murder just happened and they don't have any other suspects their not going to give a shit if you did it or not as long as they get that conviction. You by yourself with no alibi!! I understand its a very small percentage but it happens

**Tuesday** · 10-07-21, 12:39 AM

Originally posted by jackpot269

The only reason I would not be for death penalty is sometimes an innocent person is convicted and its years later before the truth comes out, if it ever dose and it would be a tragedy to execute an innocent person. You cant undo that!!
Can you imagine driving just driving down the road and someone see you in the area where a murder just happened and they don't have any other suspects their not going to give a shit if you did it or not as long as they get that conviction. You by yourself with no alibi!! I understand its a very small percentage but it happens

Exactly. For any government to make this mistake outweighs any argument in favor of the death penalty - there is no way to never make mistakes, that is why governments should not even try it.

But if it's not the government doing the killing, there is no social responsibility owed to the public.

**JIBBBY** · 10-07-21, 06:06 AM

Originally posted by captrobey

Shot and killed people and this moron thinks he is still going to heaven. Good luck with that .

Well there may be redemption for some if they have a major change sitting in prison or on death row in the heart and give it up to GOD.

Still they have to pay for their horrific sins. Death penalty on earth is appropriate if you take a life selfishly out of greed and or anger and cause MAJOR grief to loved ones in that dead persons family. They need justice!!

We are seeing that play out now in the news today with the murdered Abby chick and boyfriend on the run now..

**captrobey** · 10-07-21, 08:19 AM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

Well there may be redemption for some if they have a major change sitting in prison or on death row in the heart and give it up to GOD.

Still they have to pay for their horrific sins. Death penalty on earth is appropriate if you take a life selfishly out of greed and or anger and cause MAJOR grief to loved ones in that dead persons family. They need justice!!

We are seeing that play out now in the news today with the murdered Abby chick and boyfriend on the run now..

Anyone that murders another should never be allowed in heaven unless there was a situation like war or you shoot and kill someone breaking into your house stuff like that. And you should be sent back to earth to try again as something else and if you kill more people you get sent back depending how many you kill.

Kill 1- Return as Homeless guy

Kill 2- Return as Condom

Kill 3 - Return as Danny Devito

ETC ......

**alling** · 10-08-21, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by TheGoldenGoose

Rot in hell you POS.

**thetrinity** · 10-08-21, 11:25 PM

What about leaving up to victims families after appeals have been exhausted? I mean this guy dying doesn’t mean shit to any of us or it shouldn’t at least. I mean we are paying for him to live in jail but times that by a billion and you have the effect on the actual families of the victims.

**guitarjosh** · 10-09-21, 03:32 AM

I'm 100% against it. We know for certain we've put innocent people to death, and the thought that a government official or jury of 12 has that power over me is scary.

**HockeyRocks** · 10-09-21, 11:13 AM

Nay, its not a deterrent, to many crooked prosecutors and to many innocent people are put to death...

**thezbar** · 10-09-21, 12:28 PM

One argument against the death penalty is that it is used disproportionately against the poor, who cannot afford expensive legal counsel, as well as against racial, ethnic and religious minorities.

**JIBBBY** · 10-09-21, 04:00 PM

Do the crime serve the time. Kill then there is a life for a life.. Hang em or fry em I say!!!

**goduke** · 10-09-21, 05:08 PM

costs more money for death penalty then life in prison. If the crime is bad enough they shouldnt be freed from life by giving them the death penalty. Make them serve time till they die