Anyone here watching any of the George Floyd trial

[Kermit]

George Floyd's actions are not on trial. He's dead. Derek Chauvin's actions are now on trial. If somebody wants to overdose it's not a tyrant cop's job to help accomplish that task. Too many cops are on hell bent ego trips IMHO. Some people are just not cut out to be cops and clearly Chauvin is one of those individuals.

George Floyd's tendencies to overdose are quite relevant in this case.

Did you watch any of the trial today? His girlfriend's testimony was quite compelling.

[BrickJames]

They know what they are signing up for, Nobody gets a job just because it’s wished upon them

Not saying it was wished upon him I'm just saying they have a very tough job and I'm sure a lot of them snap after dealing with that type of trash day in and day out.

It's not that hard to be a good respectable person. Black people don't seem to understand that.

[TheGoldenGoose]

George Floyd's tendencies to overdose are quite relevant in this case.

Did you watch any of the trial today? His girlfriend's testimony was quite compelling.

I did. She was very weak. That’s probably why she wasn’t called until today and why the prosecution called her first to testify.

[Fidel_CashFlow]

This thread is important to me
for reasons outside of just George
Floyd . Please everyone keep posting
their opinions..... would like to hear
from more posters

[BuckyOne]

Tomorrow, the Police chief!

Today answered some questions. A police supervisor was contacted by the dispatcher. Ambulance must ave been requested about here. Supervisor called Chauvin and got an update. This must have been when Chauvin put his body cam under the car. Supervisor got there after the ambulance left and then went to the hospital to check on Floyd.

The ambulance was afraid of the the crowd and did not immediately provide aid. Did a quick load and go and went two blocks down the road and then tried to revive Floyd. Also, had to pull Chauvin out of the way and unlock the handcuffs themselves. Guy has been dead for 3 minutes and Chauvin is still holding him down!

Supervisor has retired since this incident. I wonder how coincidental this is. Read where 125 MPD officers have resigned in the last year and like over 155 on leave of absence that probably will not come back?

So, back to this Police chief. Is the onus on him to back up his cops? Any chance he will do the right thing and clean house?

[MinnesotaFats]

You make a good point! I wonder if Chauvin was pyschologically evaluated? Wonder what his arrest record looks like (do not think that is admissible evidence). How many other calls was Chauvin incompetent on? Any others die because of restraint tactics. What is the competency of the rest of the police force like and in theory how would the other 600 cops of Minneapolis have handled the same arrest?

This could come up or be buried because it involves Klobuchar.

Chauvin had SEVERAL discipline issues and while Klobuchar was acting HCDA and later AG she dismissed something like 10 cases involving Chauvin. It's blood on her hands and Ellison hands if it comes up- she'd be called as a witness... if it veers in that direction look for a plea.

[BrickJames]

This is very close to home for me and fatty.

[MinnesotaFats]

This is very close to home for me and fatty.

Yeah I spent my youth slinging cases of beer up and down Lake Street.

Lost one of payday loan shops there last year in riots.

I'd love to see Bob Kroll on the stand. Kroll former head if union, great for quotes!....the Chief is a political hack who is a failure but he's a Democrat and minority so he's still employed despite the 2 NATION WIDE police murders last 2 years.

[hehfest]

This thread is important to me
for reasons outside of just George
Floyd . Please everyone keep posting
their opinions..... would like to hear
from more posters

There are more important things to do and think about right now than this garbage clown show trial. Your own Supreme Court has already been found to be unconstitutional so why would this trial matter? You people should be out in the streets showing your middle finger to your government (and that would be the minimal of what you should do). They've lied to you your whole lives. When will you shut off that penetrating TV, be a man, and say FU to them?

[Fidel_CashFlow]

You obviously missed my intentions on that post

I stay busy heh, no need to worry bout that

Lol and definitely not gonna go out in the streets and yell about thinking

that’s gonna make some kind of a difference.

[hehfest]

"What was all of that dancing around about?

It's called your First Amendment Constitutional rights.

dafuk is wrong with you Kermit???

Let's arrest everyone who is dancing.

Lost all respect for you Kermit.

Thought that you actually had something working between your ears.

Holy s#it was I ever wrong.

Pizz on you Mr. Nazi.

[wikkidinsane]

I didn't like the girlfriend on the stand but the prosecution but the drug use out there now and used her to add a human element to Floyd. The Emts and fire chief and police supervisor were very compelling for the prosecution. Like I stated previously, his drug use shouldn't matter here.i like how the defnese lawyer asked about a drug to calm down patients and the lawyer missed because the emt said they didn't administer that. The defense keep trying to paint the onlookers as angry and aggressive, when you can clearly see there wasn't more than 8 people there at anytime. Officer tao was doing crowd control for 8 or less people.

[Thrilla]

Kermit getting pounded again I see

[BOA12]

Kermit getting pounded again I see

What did a "MEMBER" of the Party he backs say; " If getting raped, sit back and enjoy it". Kermit's, in heavenly bliss.

[Fidel_CashFlow]

I'll let Kermit speak for himself

[TheGoldenGoose]

The Police should be like the umpires in a baseball game. Yes, the Police are in control, but life goes on around them, WITH ZERO HASSLES, and they only step in when absolutely necessary. Floyd was a local guy and was no flight risk. Small time guy that wasn't going anywhere. He could be picked up at any time. So what he passes a counterfeit $20 to buy a pack of cigarettes? Pass that info onto the FBI, that's THEIR job, and maybe later on down the road the FBI snags 5 more involved counterfeiting scumbags.

Instead we get the Chauvin gang murdering a small time addict which sets off a nuclear reaction countrywide. That lousy $20 counterfeit ignited a situation that cost us all how much more time and trouble? Can't even begin to calculate the price.

Sure, hindsight is 20-20 but the current policing system is broken. There is no serve and protect any more and that has to change. Local Police should be observing and deescalating situation problems instead of acting like thugs. Respect the people you serve and protect and the people will reciprocate and give the Police respect in return. It really is that simple.

[Fidel_CashFlow]

I'll agree the police system is broken
But it sure in the fukk isn't just on
blacks for fukk sakes

Black Lives Matter is a joke

It's actually a slap in tje face to respectable
Black people and they don't even see it
False sense of brotherhood and lowers
a person's ability to take accountability

Oh yeah and the whole fact that BLM
focuses on police killing blacks

When that only makes up for 0.03 %
of Black violent deaths

BLM completely ignores the 99.7%
and focuses on the 0.03% just to get
their dangerous agenda across

Let those numbers sink in

99.7 %

0.03 %


Anyways, I've always thought police force was excessive
But I also know it's a dangerous job

So it's just a tough situation all around

[TheGoldenGoose]

Agreed that BLM does not recognize the Police problem across ALL races. There are plenty of White people also being shot by Police but it's the Media that doesn't report those White incidents and that pours gasoline onto the BLM fire.

[Fidel_CashFlow]

Glad we can find common ground
somewhere in all this crap.

I just want people to get along
We are being divided more and more
daily . Main stream media should he ashamed
They are suppose to do their jobs
as journalists ..... pathetic.

I'm no different as I let it get to me as well
I'm just as guilty

[MinnesotaFats]

You need to also consider the AMOUNT of law enforcement in Minnesota.

It is a police State, seriously.

Compared to Wisconsin, the Dakotas or Florida it's absolutely crazy.

The Cities, the Sheriff's, the State Troopers, the Buerue of Appreciation, etc Minnesota might have the most cops per capita in the USA and they don't fukking need them, but it's unions and government....

In Minny just to justify their being you get these guys waiting at stop signs in rural areas all day just to write up 5 Swedish farmers for rolling their 30 year old pickups thru the 4 way...that's a waste. In the cities you have the city force, the sheriff, and a large trooper presence all working the roads doing traffic citations because it's easy. Crime in urban areas thru the roof but the cops don't wanna deal with it because of shit like this...it happens every year in mn...and the victims come out of the woodwork. Every mpls cop leaves to go drive a cruiser in the burbs and arrest speeders.

Mn law enforcement is a fukking joke and the defend movement there has my full support

[BuckyOne]

You need to also consider the AMOUNT of law enforcement in Minnesota.

It is a police State, seriously.



Compared to Wisconsin, the Dakotas or Florida it's absolutely crazy.

The Cities, the Sheriff's, the State Troopers, the Buerue of Appreciation, etc Minnesota might have the most cops per capita in the USA and they don't fukking need them, but it's unions and government....

In Minny just to justify their being you get these guys waiting at stop signs in rural areas all day just to write up 5 Swedish farmers for rolling their 30 year old pickups thru the 4 way...that's a waste. In the cities you have the city force, the sheriff, and a large trooper presence all working the roads doing traffic citations because it's easy. Crime in urban areas thru the roof but the cops don't wanna deal with it because of shit like this...it happens every year in mn...and the victims come out of the woodwork. Every mpls cop leaves to go drive a cruiser in the burbs and arrest speeders.

Mn law enforcement is a fukking joke and the defend movement there has my full support

Well said! Back to zero tolerance and dominating the culture. Kind of like the military in federal government that wants to be deployed to a conflict. The public has a right to go to city council meetings. Contact the city council person for their district.

In theory, new people have to run for public office and change the culture. The governor, the mayor, the city council needs to step forward and clean up the MPD. Evaluate everybody on the entire force.

Good cops probably do not even want to work with these thugs like Chauvin. It starts with this guy and the other 3 all going to jail and then going thru the history of arrests in the last 5 years and clean out the rats from top to bottom. A task force headed by the mayor could do it or somebody else needs to run for mayor on the platform of police reform.

I liked Zimmerman on the stand. But, maybe he is too nice of a guy. Chauvin should have been fired a long time ago by somebody. You do not turn into a cold blooded killer like that overnight. He acted like an arrest was a bloodsport and he had a license to kill.

The police think it is all about them!

[TheGoldenGoose]

Damning evidence delivered today by the Minneapolis Police Chief as Chauvin gets thrown under the proverbial bus. Minneapolis Police Chief Medaria Arradondo on Monday thoroughly rejected Derek Chauvin's actions and use of force during the arrest of George Floyd last May as contrary to department policy.

"Once Mr. Floyd had stopped resisting, and certainly once he was in distress and trying to verbalize that, that should have stopped," Arradondo testified during Chauvin's criminal trial.

"There is an initial reasonableness in trying to get him under control in the first few seconds," Arradondo said. "But once there was no longer any resistance and clearly when Mr. Floyd was no longer responsive and even motionless, to continue to apply that level of force to a person proned out, handcuffed behind their back -- that in no way shape or form is anything that is by policy. It is not part of our training, and it is certainly not part of our ethics or our values."


In particular, the chief said Chauvin's kneeling on Floyd's neck for nine minutes and 29 seconds is not a trained tactic and was a violation of the policies around de-escalation, objectively reasonable use of force and requirement to render aid.

"That action is not de-escalation, and when we talk about the framework of our sanctity of life and when we talk about the principles and values we have, that action goes contrary to what we're talking about," he said.

[TheGoldenGoose]

In addition, police Inspector Katie Blackwell, who was in charge of the department's training program last year, testified that officers are taught to use their arms when doing neck restraints. "I don't know what kind of improvised position this is," she said of Chauvin's kneeling. "That's not what we train."

Blackwell testified Chauvin was regularly instructed in defensive tactics and the proper use of force. Since he trained officers in the field, Chauvin had additional training.

The testimony cuts at the heart of the defense's argument that Chauvin acted within his police training and employed an appropriate use of force. It also comes as prosecutors shifted their focus from what happened to Floyd to a closer analysis of what it means legally.

[hawkwind]

The only 1 that should be on TRIAL is Floyd & anyone who Supports Him D---h 2 u all

[KVB]

Damning evidence delivered today by the Minneapolis Police Chief as Chauvin gets thrown under the proverbial bus. Minneapolis Police Chief Medaria Arradondo on Monday thoroughly rejected Derek Chauvin's actions and use of force during the arrest of George Floyd last May as contrary to department policy.

"Once Mr. Floyd had stopped resisting, and certainly once he was in distress and trying to verbalize that, that should have stopped," Arradondo testified during Chauvin's criminal trial.

"There is an initial reasonableness in trying to get him under control in the first few seconds," Arradondo said. "But once there was no longer any resistance and clearly when Mr. Floyd was no longer responsive and even motionless, to continue to apply that level of force to a person proned out, handcuffed behind their back -- that in no way shape or form is anything that is by policy. It is not part of our training, and it is certainly not part of our ethics or our values."


In particular, the chief said Chauvin's kneeling on Floyd's neck for nine minutes and 29 seconds is not a trained tactic and was a violation of the policies around de-escalation, objectively reasonable use of force and requirement to render aid.

"That action is not de-escalation, and when we talk about the framework of our sanctity of life and when we talk about the principles and values we have, that action goes contrary to what we're talking about," he said.

In addition, police Inspector Katie Blackwell, who was in charge of the department's training program last year, testified that officers are taught to use their arms when doing neck restraints. "I don't know what kind of improvised position this is," she said of Chauvin's kneeling. "That's not what we train."

Blackwell testified Chauvin was regularly instructed in defensive tactics and the proper use of force. Since he trained officers in the field, Chauvin had additional training.

The testimony cuts at the heart of the defense's argument that Chauvin acted within his police training and employed an appropriate use of force. It also comes as prosecutors shifted their focus from what happened to Floyd to a closer analysis of what it means legally.

Berried.

[MinnesotaFats]

I'm not buying it

If the training said A then that's that.

MPLS very parochial thou....

Though it was a bad day for defense

[edawg]

None of this matters no juror will vote not guilty. What happened is you had one criminal trying to arrest another criminal one died the other will probably spend the majority of his life left in jail. They were both at the wrong place at the wrong time in history. I always find it amusing when people take such strong sides on these things. It is a lot like politics to me in reality people pick the side they think is the lesser of two evils or can relate to. In our justice system now all the way down the line (Judges, Lawyers, Cops, Parole Boards, AG's, Private Prisons) is just one set of criminals judging another.

[Fidel_CashFlow]

Yeah fukk Chauvin , wouldn’t mind seeing him do some time

but in perfect world all would agree

that was still 4 times lethal dose of fentanyl swallowed (not including meth and others )

And dude dead as fukk anyways after ingesting that amount

in a perfect world that is all could agree on both sides

in this world.... I’m fine with Chauvin doing some time

[BuckyOne]

Philonise Floyd and the family lawyer were on Don Lemon tonight.

The lawyer had a solution: Experiment in the courtroom.

The brother can handcuff Chauvin/ lay him on the floor with two helpers holding him down in case he struggles and then kneel on his neck for ten minutes.

If he lives then he goes free. The other 3 cops can have the same offer.

[Fidel_CashFlow]

He would survive man
kind of a weird point there

Let’s change that scenario
They handcuff Chauvin , sit him on the ground
give him some meth and 11.1 NG of fentanyl
(damn near 4 times amount needed to be fatal)
then kneel on Chauvin neck for 10 minutes
if he lives he goes free

[BuckyOne]

Floyd was a previous user of meth and fetanyl and we do not know how much tolerance he had built up. What might kill me and you may not kill him.

Exactly how much pressure Chauvin applied is only known to him. That would be pretty difficult to recreate as well.

The defense is trying to say that the drug use was the reason for George Floyd's death and not the knee to the throat. They do not need to prove that theory but are trying to create reasonable doubt.

[HockeyRocks]

Again the Right Wing Whackos here on SBR are doing their hardest to try and prove that the drugs killed this man. They just can't bring there racist bigoted asses to believe that a white cop would do something like this. You're the same bunch would ask after a person died in the hospital of covid. Well, shit, did they have HBP, diabetes, overweight and on and on wanting people to believe that covid was not what killed them... If this lowlife scumbag cop hadn't had his knee on the man's throat for 9+ minutes he would still be alive walking the streets.. The cop will be wearing orange soon, then Gaetz and then Trump...

[Fidel_CashFlow]

Again the Right Wing Whackos here on SBR are doing their hardest to try and prove that the drugs killed this man. They just can't bring there racist bigoted asses to believe that a white cop would do something like this. You're the same bunch would ask after a person died in the hospital of covid. Well, shit, did they have HBP, diabetes, overweight and on and on wanting people to believe that covid was not what killed them... If this lowlife scumbag cop hadn't had his knee on the man's throat for 9+ minutes he would still be alive walking the streets.. The cop will be wearing orange soon, then Gaetz and then Trump...

Here's a stat for ya

Do what you want with it

Out of Violent black deaths

Cops make up 0.3% of them

BLM completely ignores the other 99.7%

and runs with the 0.3 %

Take that however you want , I don't give a fukk
I'm out here getting shit done living my life

You worry about your years invested to your
political agenda or other blind biases

And continue hating your white skin

Still hope Chauvin does some time though
Fukk him too

[BuckyOne]

One thing that I have not seen, yet, was follow up from training and power point presentations to actual performance in the field. How does training translate to real life?

if the MPD just trains the officers once a year and throws them out the door / that is not good enough. Where is the review of officer cam footage on arrests?

What if people like Chauvin after years on the job have some type of stress syndrome? The picture of Chauvin with his knee on Floyd's neck does not look like a sane man. It looks like somebody who is berzerk under the adrenalin.

The prosecution is really emphasizing that Chavin was properly trained. But, like Mike Tyson said, "everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face".

Maybe, it is there, and nobody has been called yet, that review field activity. This nut case should have been identified a long time ago and how many other Chauvin's are on the MPD right now???

[MinnesotaFats]

Again the Right Wing Whackos here on SBR are doing their hardest to try and prove that the drugs killed this man. They just can't bring there racist bigoted asses to believe that a white cop would do something like this. You're the same bunch would ask after a person died in the hospital of covid. Well, shit, did they have HBP, diabetes, overweight and on and on wanting people to believe that covid was not what killed them... If this lowlife scumbag cop hadn't had his knee on the man's throat for 9+ minutes he would still be alive walking the streets.. The cop will be wearing orange soon, then Gaetz and then Trump...

You want Floyd alive walking the streets high, dealing, passing fake bills and sticking up pregnant chicks?

I'm glad he's dead, just wish the cop drove him out to the woods and executed the worthless, poor, uneducated pos.

Now...as for the trial. The purpose of our system is to determine mitigating factors. It's not about race, it's about how much time is reduced or charges lowered, due to mitigating circumstances. That's not racist...it worked for OJ after all.