This is exactly why this country has turned to shit

[hehfest]

God I wish we could go back to the 80's, greatest decade ever! Plenty of good cheap cocaine floating around, 12% interest rates, blacks going to jail where they belong and not a cell phone in sight.

The kids today will never understand how good it once was.

And, of course, the best cartoons (Transformers, G.I. Joe, Shirttails to name a few) and video games (Atari, Coleco Vision, Intellivision).

[StackinGreen]

A debate has never been an utter disaster like that was. It was an embarrassing.

I'm a registered Republican and have voted Republican in every election but I really feel like neither party suits me. Each side keeps getting more and more extreme. Instead of people just disagreeing on policy, it's turned into this. If you vote Republican you're a racist. If you vote Democrat you're a communist. It's a joke

I didn't like Trump and it would have been the first time I ever voted Democrat last election but the Democrats threw Hillary at me. Now they're firing Biden out there....like wth. How do we not have better candidates? As for Trump, I'm not one of these crazy people that hates people that vote for someone different than me but these are some of the reasons I think he is kind of a moron.

- Suggested nuking a hurricane to stop it
- Altered a NOAA weather map with a sharpie because he incorrectly said a hurricane was headed toward Bama
- Suggested to cleans the body by ingesting bleach...
- Suggested hitting the inside of the body with UV rays
- Said the virus was much more dangerous than the flu and airborne in February....then tells the public it's a hoax
- Fires anyone that disagrees with him
- Pays nothing in taxes because he is a failing business man
- Claims America first but pays more in taxes to other countries

Then you have a list of respected Republicans and Generals that have said how horrible he is

- Colin Powell
- John McCain
- George Bush
- Mitt Romney
- General Mattis

I mean, people are going to rationalize and make excuses for his comments. "He didn't mean this". "He didn't mean that". It's fine. If you believe that whatever. There are just too many things for me to get over. BUTTTTTTT......the freaking Dems give us Biden as the alternative. WTF.

I really thought Trump was a successful business man four years ago but now it's obvious he isn't by his massive losses and even his inability to get a gaming license because of financial issues. There is a reason the Trump Hotel in Vegas doesn't have a casino in it...

I can counter all of your points here with the correct viewpoint (you grossly exaggerate certain things or outright lie on them, just like you complain about Mr. Trump) but possibly the worst is that you are a "Republican" = system political voter. Your list of "Republicans" there proves my point. Deep Staters or entrenched politicians who care nothing for the people, rather their own or family interests. Real swamp things, all of them.

Trump is the only real outsider we have ever had, and that's why we elected him. If you don't believe that the opposing party has major communist elements, you aren't paying attention. This should be obvious to anyone who knows anything about Bernie Sanders or the huge support he got from a large portion of the Dem base. BLM and AOC direct large sources of funding to the current Dem party.

Having said all that, I challenge you to provide me an example of the (R) side getting extreme. All anti-american and extreme measures, fundamental changes, etc are from the left. I just provided all the examples I need. The marxist elements of the (D) party aren't even hidden anymore, they literally bludgeon their idiotic, murderous policies in front of your face. And also say things like the world is going to end in 12, now 10 years due to more made up political end times garbage events that of course won't happen --- but they can virtue signal on.

[BigDofBA]

I can counter all of your points here with the correct viewpoint (you grossly exaggerate certain things or outright lie on them, just like you complain about Mr. Trump)

Then do it?

He suggested to ingest disinfectants. How do you interpret that?

He said a hurricane was headed toward Alabama, which was wrong, then he drew on the map with a sharpie so he wouldn't look stupid.

If you see differently, I would love to hear it.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Then do it?He suggested to ingest disinfectants. How do you interpret that?
He said a hurricane was headed toward Alabama, which was wrong, then he drew on the map with a sharpie so he wouldn't look stupid. If you see differently, I would love to hear it.

He won’t counter your points because he can’t. It’s just his way to deflect from the issues. He belongs to the Trump cult. Trump could shoot him in broad daylight on video and his cult will still follow him. They have all drunk the koolaid and can’t even admit when Trump does wrong. Sad.

[BigDofBA]

He won’t counter your points because he can’t. It’s just his way to deflect from the issues. He belongs to the Trump cult. Trump could shoot him in broad daylight on video and his cult will still follow him. They have all drunk the koolaid and can’t even admit when Trump does wrong. Sad.

That's kind of my point when I said both sides are extreme. He asked how the right was extreme but in my original post I stated that they think everyone on the left is a communist....then he went onto say exactly that.

Nothing I listed can be disproven so the move is to just call it fake and say it's all wrong without actually providing anything to prove it's wrong.

It's kind of like Trumps tax returns. He claims the news is fake and he paid millions....yet he won't release his returns to prove it's fake. The returns he has had to release showed he paid nothing so what should we believe? The guy that alters maps with sharpies and suggests to ingest disinfectants? lmao

The irony is that I voted for him but I can see what's going on in front of me. I'm not in denial. I really don't have an allegiance to either side so if I'm wrong, I would love for someone to show me the truth.

In the post above that was a rebuttal to me, a lot was typed without really saying much or providing any evidence.

[dlowilly]

The irony is that I voted for him but I can see what's going on in front of me. I'm not in denial.

Anyone who voted for him in 2016 but doesn't want to support him now is more demented than the never Trumpers from the start.

[StackinGreen]

He won’t counter your points because he can’t. It’s just his way to deflect from the issues. He belongs to the Trump cult. Trump could shoot him in broad daylight on video and his cult will still follow him. They have all drunk the koolaid and can’t even admit when Trump does wrong. Sad.

In the first post I had already countered several of them. You are a lying communist supporter and anti-american, so of course you make lies up, just like they do.

[StackinGreen]

That's kind of my point when I said both sides are extreme. He asked how the right was extreme but in my original post I stated that they think everyone on the left is a communist....then he went onto say exactly that.

First of all, no I didn't say "everyone is X", so stop lying and using words I didn't use, which is dishonest. This is precisely what I posted above:

If you don't believe that the opposing party has major communist elements, you aren't paying attention. This should be obvious to anyone who knows anything about Bernie Sanders or the huge support he got from a large portion of the Dem base. BLM and AOC direct large sources of funding to the current Dem party.

"major communist elements" is what I said, and it is true. So apologize for misrepresenting. Beyond that,
You are leaving something out ... I went on to show you why that conclusion is without a doubt. Interesting you're not honest enough to rebut that (you can't) or even mention it, which is worse.

Rebut my POINTS not make-believe statements in your brain that I didn't say. I am very careful with language precisely because people like you aren't.

And please don't say stuff like this

In the post above that was a rebuttal to me, a lot was typed without really saying much or providing any evidence.

Which means you don't or can't read and just shut your brain off when people actually rebut your points entirely. Re-read my post, please.

[StackinGreen]

Anyone who voted for him in 2016 but doesn't want to support him now is more demented than the never Trumpers from the start.

Exactly. But willy, he posted that he likes or trusts Romney, McCain, Colin Powell, etc

So he never had a gift of discernment in the first place. Just doesn't know what's going on. The same McCain with a brain tumor at age 80+ that won't leave the Senate, the same Powell who lied for Bush about WMD and then acts like he's some sort of race saint and patriot, when in reality he's a race baiting traitor who was a worthless AA hire just doing the bidding of the swamp government and Military Industrial Complex.

[BigDofBA]

Exactly. But willy, he posted that he likes or trusts Romney, McCain, Colin Powell, etc

So he never had a gift of discernment in the first place. Just doesn't know what's going on. The same McCain with a brain tumor at age 80+ that won't leave the Senate, the same Powell who lied for Bush about WMD and then acts like he's some sort of race saint and patriot, when in reality he's a race baiting traitor who was a worthless AA hire just doing the bidding of the swamp government and Military Industrial Complex.

I think you're missing my point.

I voted for Trump and liked the idea of an oustider. The list of things I name above is why I no longer like him. That doesn't mean I like Biden.

If I'm wrong about anything I bulleted out, please feel free to prove me wrong. You said you've made all of these rebuttals but I haven't seen anything that refutes anything I listed out.

I don’t understand why people get so mad. If you like Trump, great. I’m just sharing my opinion.

[StackinGreen]

I'm not mad. I am frustrated you refuse to acknowledge the FACT that AOC and Bernie Sanders, their language, Kamala Harris, Joe Biden spew it too ... are mainstream elements of the Dem party right now. Bernie is and has always been a communist. Their policies are too. This is not disputable. So that's one thing.

Next, here are the quick rebuttals:

-the silly shit like bleach was sarcasm, like much of what trump says, it is exaggeration or media playing

-the UV intravascular devices literally exist as part of modern medicine/medical devices

-pays taxes, yes he does, but who cares if he does or he doesn't, no pol does, they are free to if they want. No corporations do, this is a distraction but what goes on and is the law, it's irrelevant - paying taxes makes you a "good person" is a leftist position and that's what people who make politics their religion do, since they believe actually in nothing.

-all of his policies are america first, this would take too long to explain apparently

[Mac4Lyfe]

In the first post I had already countered several of them. You are a lying communist supporter and anti-american, so of course you make lies up, just like they do.

You don't even know the definition of communism. Your only rebuttal is to name call people who don't think like you. You don't use facts, you don't use common sense, so you resort to name calling and labeling people. Anti American is the definition of you because you can't be reasoned with, you spew nonsense and you've dug in your heels.

[Mac4Lyfe]

-pays taxes, yes he does, but who cares if he does or he doesn't, no pol does, they are free to if they want. No corporations do, this is a distraction but what goes on and is the law, it's irrelevant - paying taxes makes you a "good person" is a leftist position and that's what people who make politics their religion do, since they believe actually in nothing.
-all of his policies are america first, this would take too long to explain apparently

Trump has lied that he's paid MILLIONS in taxes when in fact he's paid less than you and I. He took a billion dollars of his daddies money and lost it all. Paying taxes mean that you are contributing to the society. Spending it all, going broke over and over again, filing bankruptcy over and over again is not a good citizen. He's a free loader that stiffs people. This guy has fukked thousands of people. Thousands. Have you ever seen that before? He's fukked over his own brother. Most of his family don't like him. He has no true friends. It's always his way or the highway.

Name me one policy that is America first? More like Trump first. Everything he does is about him, not the greater good. He's spend more money than the Demorats and moved money to the wealthy. He's fukked you with no vaseline and you don't even know it. You are a battered women who thinks his ass whippings are a show of love.

[BOA12]

It's not Jim Crow, it's common sense.

Is it fair to allow direct recipients of public welfare or subsidies to vote on the matter?

It it fair to allow those who do not get directly taxed on their ownership interests in a community to vote on the impact to those that do?

This is the disconnect in politics today. A smaller and smaller portion of the populous is actually invested in the community funding the public treasury and a larger and larger portion is drawing benefits from the public treasury....

See how this ends?

Can't disagree, you have great knowledge M. Look forward to your posts, Bro.

[BigDofBA]

-the silly shit like bleach was sarcasm, like much of what trump says, it is exaggeration or media playing

-the UV intravascular devices literally exist as part of modern medicine/medical devices

Ok. So here is my opinion on this.

He talked with a straight face for like a minute about ingesting disinfectants while looking at doctors, specifically Dr. Birx.

So you’re telling me he was being sarcastic with the disinfectants but serious with the UV rays?

So how does the public know when the POTUS is being serious or sarcastic?

Do you think it’s smart to be sarcastic when you’re addressing the nation about a pandemic? To me that would almost make it worse.

IMO it’s pretty obvious he wasn’t being sarcastic. That’s why he immediately quit doing the briefings after that. Lol

The day it happened a lot of MAGA people were trying to explain his disinfectant comments and were rationalizing them like it was a real thing. Then they totally changed to the sarcastic excuse days later when Trump’s own comments once again contradicted people.

But hey, maybe you’re right and he was just joking during a press conference about a pandemic that has killed hundreds of thousands of people just so he could mess with us.

[StackinGreen]

The larger point here is that progressively, no pun intended, the parties had become marxist and and democrat lite --- that's the point and it is unAmerican.

The proof is that if you know anything about American history or presidents, Trump is pretty much JFK = a business Democrat

Yet you keep talking about how these words Democrat and Republican mean anything anymore. They don't. That's my point. The ideas matter. The R party has many sellouts, but they aren't bent on the destruction of America as we know it. If you don't think the views of the current Dem leaders aren't destructive and historically unAmerican, I'll just leave the topic alone. If you can't admit Bernie Sanders is a communist and has major influence on the modern Dem party, you can't be reasoned with. That's the point.

[BOA12]

Ok. So here is my opinion on this.

He talked with a straight face for like a minute about ingesting disinfectants while looking at doctors, specifically Dr. Birx.

So you’re telling me he was being sarcastic with the disinfectants but serious with the UV rays?

So how does the public know when the POTUS is being serious or sarcastic?

Do you think it’s smart to be sarcastic when you’re addressing the nation about a pandemic? To me that would almost make it worse.

IMO it’s pretty obvious he wasn’t being sarcastic. That’s why he immediately quit doing the briefings after that. Lol

The day it happened a lot of MAGA people were trying to explain his disinfectant comments and were rationalizing them like it was a real thing. Then they totally changed to the sarcastic excuse days later when Trump’s own comments once again contradicted people.

But hey, maybe you’re right and he was just joking during a press conference about a pandemic that has killed hundreds of thousands of people just so he could mess with us.

trump has no sense of humor. Period. Would make him a better person, ask Melinia.

[MinnesotaFats]

So you’re saying Trump shouldn’t be allowed to vote?

Mr Trump has paid MILLIONS in property taxes alone, never mind the income tax as that can be manipulated w deductions and depreciation, etc.

My point being there is a large portion of America that pays no income tax, no property tax and may not purchase fuel either (gas tax).

This is what fund our society today. The schools, roads, debt and government programs are funded by those taxes.... I admit, right now, I dont have the 'numbers' but I'm willing to bet the number of recipients of welfare and goods from the treasury is higher today, and thus more polarizing, than it was in 1970...and we know the percentage of the population paying in is at an all time low.

There isn't much difference between robbing me at gunpoint or via their vote at this point...it's simply taking money that isn't yours for your own interests against mine. That's socially and morally unacceptable and sadly, it's the premise of a political party.

[StackinGreen]

Absolutely, Fats is right on again. I'm sorry to burst everyone's bubble but when you lost the identity of the nation, you end up having different groups (cultures, races, ideologues) jockeying for resources and that's why the nation implodes. Redistribution is absolutely theft by a different name, particularly when it is the DC cartel that does it. You have zero input to that compared to your local community, where at least you can influence certain things --- or move. The problem with the DC cartel is that I can't move away from Fed control, though I can move from NY/CA/IL/NJ, etc and let them rot with their communist governing.

[konck]

The 2 party system is crap
People just vote for a party and usually neither is a good option
If people ran as independent there would be more value is choosing a better person

[PAULYPOKER]

When you have both sidelines pointing out how
crooked and evil the opposite side is
(and you are both correct)
what does that tell you?


Exactly........

Both sides just ignored what I just said, Fact.......















Why?
because the governmental system was designed this way for total unlimited power over the people,
Fact yet again..

Get it now?














Fukk no..........

[StackinGreen]

Name me one policy that is America first?

I can name several, many of which even Bernie was promoting, which of course makes clowns like you melt in foolishness.

Anti-TPP
Repatriate American business
Building a wall and shutting down illegal immigration

There are 10 more things he has done to help all Americans but you cant even admit 1 that even your communist idols agreed with. So, you can't have a discussion in good faith. As a result, you won't listen to anyone telling you the truth, I presume.