Floyd was CV19 positive

[JIBBBY]

I assume that’s what the cops defensive will be. That and the fact that he has been desensitized over the years by subjects saying “your hurting me”, “I can’t move”, “I’m suing your ass for brutality” and of course “I can’t breath”. The other cops will say they were told and trained to never question the most senior officer on the scene.

If all 4 of those cops ever get off scotch free or even if they just get a slap on the wrist all this rioting, looting and fire setting will start all over again. The BLM and Antifa groups have learned to target the white neighborhoods now through social media.. Blood bath coming up..

For the sake of America's safety all those cops better all get convicted on upgraded murder charges.. We all remember what happened with Rodney King when those cops that beat him got acquitted.. All hell broke loose in LA.. Reginal Deny got pulled out his truck and got his head caved in basically and he is still retarded today from it.

[Black Coffee]

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-george-floyd-coronavirus-died-22135610?fbclid=IwAR1VsvLHDZHQnHO7VncLxO BFhMAYgc_x7jqlRduKeNSDkBrJYdYyJzJwj2c

If this is true, these cops are gonna walk now due to this....

Can't have a murder charge with this underlying condition regardless of the physical oppression and use of force.

Fats... you are beyond pathetic...

[stealthyburrito]

Another sad attempt to post a link

SALOON

[homie1975]

That the technique is still in use and still actively taught is one thing...

That Floyd now had CV19 plus underlying cardiac issues coupled w a legal technique removes any possible way for Ellison (the AG) to prove intent AND the fact that CV19 itself is possibly responsible for 150,000 deaths by the time this hits trial is, in itself, reasonable doubt as to the affect of the Cops tactics.

I can't see anything beyond a Manslaughter conviction at best, but even that takes 12 like minded people.

Minny is spot on here. COVID 19 positive test is an absolute gift for the 4 cops especially the dude who dropped the knee on him for 9 mins

[JMobile]

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/politics-economics/3605434-grandmother-shot-forehead-during-san-diego-riot.html

Granny gets shot in the head during riot

[pavyracer]

So basically only if you are fit like a marathom runner and the cop steps on your neck for 10 minutes with his knee and you die then the cops can get arrested. If you have any other ailment is not cops fault that he step on your neck for 10 minutes.

[MinnesotaFats]

Fats... you are beyond pathetic...

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Well I apologize for the link. When in mobile version sometimes they hyperlink and other times they don't. I'm not sure why that is....

With respect to the upcoming trial. As you increase the level of charge in murder you are required to produce and provide motive and intent and or pre meditation.

Non of which exists here.

We have a death with very bad optics....but the death now is questioned by facts pertaining not to Chauvin, but to Loyd. The bad heart, the clogged arteries, the drug use and now the CV19. Not a single juror will NOT have been negatively affected by CV19 nor unaware of how serious the pandemic was or how lethal the virus can be.

How are you going to go 12/12 with this set of facts?

[MinnesotaFats]

Furthermore, the other 3 were charged w aiding and abetting 2nd degree murder.

That requires intent...that those 3 got up in the morning and basically said "let's go kill a black guy"

C'mon, that didn't happen.

[Chi_archie]

If all 4 of those cops ever get off scotch free

[mynameismud]

Furthermore, the other 3 were charged w aiding and abetting 2nd degree murder.

That requires intent...that those 3 got up in the morning and basically said "let's go kill a black guy"

C'mon, that didn't happen.

Intent can be formed in under a minute but none of the cops are being charged with intent. He is charged with 2nd degree felony Murder which means chauvin killed Floyd during the commission of a felony( felony assault). The first cop to turn on chauvin and turn states evidence and testify will get immunity. More than Likely the Asian cop.

[homie1975]

There will be reasonable doubt here and it will be reduced to manslaughter

COVID 19 is an upper respiratory disease that is proving lethal for black men over 40.

This is starting to line up as best possible scenario for the cop and his 3 cronies

The defense is already there.

[pavyracer]

He could have had any disease or ailment. The video of the cop pinning him down on his neck is a slam dunk for the prosecution. Abuse of power and procedure used violates protocol.

[MinnesotaFats]

He could have had any disease or ailment. The video of the cop pinning him down on his neck is a slam dunk for the prosecution. Abuse of power and procedure used violates protocol.

That tactic is taught by Mpls PD. The knee is protocol in Minnesota.

[pavyracer]

That tactic is taught by Mpls PD. The knee is protocol in Minnesota.

Good luck convincing the jury that you needed to step on a suspect's neck for 8 minutes while he was telling you he couldn't breathe.

[mynameismud]

Good luck convincing the jury that you needed to step on a suspect's neck for 8 minutes while he was telling you he couldn't breathe.

they don't need to convince the jury of anything...just plant some kind of doubt that protocol was followed or that Floyd was aggressive. the burden is on the prosecution and if one jury member thinks Floyd tried to resist, or Floyd died due to drug use or covid, its over. the defense is going to smear the fukk out of him and hope something sticks. this will be the new trial of the century.

[homie1975]

^ this

I'm not saying it's right or wrong but the trial will get ugly

[thetrinity]

Intent can be formed in under a minute but none of the cops are being charged with intent. He is charged with 2nd degree felony Murder which means chauvin killed Floyd during the commission of a felony( felony assault). The first cop to turn on chauvin and turn states evidence and testify will get immunity. More than Likely the Asian cop.

I looked up the Minnesota statutes on murder and manslaughter and this looks like 3rd degree murder. Felony assault? All they need is one cop to say he did this for 8 minutes and whatever and they can’t get the verdict. Cops love to stick up for each other.

[d2bets]

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-george-floyd-coronavirus-died-22135610?fbclid=IwAR1VsvLHDZHQnHO7VncLxO BFhMAYgc_x7jqlRduKeNSDkBrJYdYyJzJwj2c

If this is true, these cops are gonna walk now due to this....

Can't have a murder charge with this underlying condition regardless of the physical oppression and use of force.

So if I know someone with covid you think I can blast them dead without consequence?

You are wrong legally. This is often phrased as "you take your victims as you find them".

[turbobets]

Quite the opposite... eggshell

What does "eggshell" mean? I assume it's an insult but not familiar with it.

[JIBBBY]

I think we still need to know exactly what made those cops take Floyd to the ground after being handcuffed.. We still don't know? That was before the knee was put on his neck. What made the cops restrain him as such? What transpired before the knee on the neck? We still don't know the full story before the death..

A jury of 12 will know more then we all know when the case is finally brought to trial...

I bet you Floyd was loud and popping off and resisting prior to his death..

THIS WILL BE A HIGH PROFILE TRIAL THAT'S ALL I KNOW!!! Maybe the highest profile trail in US history..

[mrpapageorgio]

What does "eggshell" mean? I assume it's an insult but not familiar with it.

I don't know if that's what he's referring to, but in civil negligence law there's a concept called "Eggshell Skull Rule" which basically means a defendant is liable to damages no matter how susceptible the plaintiff was to injury. I.E. You can't argue that you shouldn't have to pay the plaintiff's medical bills after punching and breaking their jaw because he has a glass jaw compared to a normal person that may not have gotten hurt from you taking a swing. You take them as they are and still have to pay.

If he's arguing it applies in criminal law also, he's saying it doesn't matter if there were pre-existing conditions, he was criminally liable for his death despite the fact those conditions may have contributed to his death where his actions might not have killed a normal person.
I don't know if that principle applies in MN criminal law, but that's a common doctrine with regards to personal injury/negligence cases.

[MinnesotaFats]

What does "eggshell" mean? I assume it's an insult but not familiar with it.

Civil cases refer to this when determining value.

This is a criminal case.

[turbobets]

Ok thanks, I was way off.

[MinnesotaFats]

So if I know someone with covid you think I can blast them dead without consequence?

You are wrong legally. This is often phrased as "you take your victims as you find them".

Of course not, there will be consequences. We're discussing the legal burden of proof the AG must hit. The difference between 2nd degree murder and manslaughter is huge. The 2nd degree charge, frankly, seems absurd and unwinnable. More concerning, given these known underlying conditions, is that the lead law enforcement officer, AG Ellison, has purposely overcharged the case to pander to political influence. This is where the banana republic starts.

[Kermit]

If they get charged of 2nd degree, the fix is in.

[Headsterx]

Finally placing his whining and crying threads in the gutter... lol

[homie1975]

If they get charged of 2nd degree, the fix is in.

Chauvin charge already lifted from 3rd to 2nd.

[BOA12]

I looked up the Minnesota statutes on murder and manslaughter and this looks like 3rd degree murder. Felony assault? All they need is one cop to say he did this for 8 minutes and whatever and they can’t get the verdict. Cops love to stick up for each other.

Brothers don't hurt brothers; They might be "forced" to move in. #1 Code Of Silence in fukin everything that exist.

[BOA12]

Civil cases refer to this when determining value.

This is a criminal case.

If exonerated, then starts the civil cases.

[BOA12]

If they get charged of 2nd degree, the fix is in.

Fix always in for the right price or person.

[captrobey]

I think we still need to know exactly what made those cops take Floyd to the ground after being handcuffed.. We still don't know? That was before the knee was put on his neck. What made the cops restrain him as such? What transpired before the knee on the neck? We still don't know the full story before the death..

A jury of 12 will know more then we all know when the case is finally brought to trial...

I bet you Floyd was loud and popping off and resisting prior to his death..

THIS WILL BE A HIGH PROFILE TRIAL THAT'S ALL I KNOW!!! Maybe the highest profile trail in US history..

Every video i have seen before did not look like he was resisting arrest. He just was walking around calmly. To be honest before all the dirt came out on him on all his priors it looked like BLM were protesting a guy without a criminal record. Other then the fake bill. A lot they protest (Not All) were resisting arrest badly like running or fighting them . And they have long records as long as my arm. Then all the info on him came out.

When they were walking around they all seemed calm including the cops. So your right it makes you wonder what happened to put him on the ground at all.

If a video pops up showing him fighting and going for their guns or something i can see him being held down like that for a couple minutes . I would think he would have had to do something really bad to be put down there.

I think they need a 3rd autopsy . I do not think a 3rd has been done. One they both agree with. So far one favors the cops. The other favors Floyd. Need a tiebreaker. I think if both the autopsies favored the cops they would not have been found guilty of Murder . But now who knows. There are so many things they can use against it still. Now they can add the Virus onto that list. I wonder if he even knew he had it.

[homie1975]

Every video i have seen before did not look like he was resisting arrest. He just was walking around calmly. To be honest before all the dirt came out on him on all his priors it looked like BLM were protesting a guy without a criminal record. Other then the fake bill. A lot they protest (Not All) were resisting arrest badly like running or fighting them . And they have long records as long as my arm. Then all the info on him came out.

When they were walking around they all seemed calm including the cops. So your right it makes you wonder what happened to put him on the ground at all.

If a video pops up showing him fighting and going for their guns or something i can see him being held down like that for a couple minutes . I would think he would have had to do something really bad to be put down there.

I think they need a 3rd autopsy . I do not think a 3rd has been done. One they both agree with. So far one favors the cops. The other favors Floyd. Need a tiebreaker. I think if both the autopsies favored the cops they would not have been found guilty of Murder . But now who knows. There are so many things they can use against it still. Now they can add the Virus onto that list. I wonder if he even knew he had it.

now there are two autopsies ruling it a homicide.

[d2bets]

Of course not, there will be consequences. We're discussing the legal burden of proof the AG must hit. The difference between 2nd degree murder and manslaughter is huge. The 2nd degree charge, frankly, seems absurd and unwinnable. More concerning, given these known underlying conditions, is that the lead law enforcement officer, AG Ellison, has purposely overcharged the case to pander to political influence. This is where the banana republic starts.

Yes the elements are very different, but whether or not he had covid is 100% irrelevant to any of the elements of the crime. It doesn't bear on the elements and isn't a defense.

I looked up the statute and they could either go the intentional or unintentional route to 2nd degree. Have they said which way? Unintentional requires the commission of some other felony offense. Not sure how that plays in.

But again my point is his covid (which apparently he had 7 weeks earlier) is not a defense and is totally irrelevant here.

[d2bets]

If exonerated, then starts the civil cases.

He definitely won't be exonerated, only question is which offense he's convicted and how much time he gets. Sure thing it won't be enough in most people's minds.

[d2bets]

We almost need a separate set of criminal laws for law enforcement. It doesn't fit the conventional laws very well. I just say that this was one of the most egregious cases of conduct by a copy that I've ever seen. It's not even like a heat of the moment gunshot decision. In many ways this is worse.