**colorado forced to revise covid death total DOWN 24%

[milwaukee mike]

taiwan = no businesses shut, no schools closed, 7 total covid deaths

california = lockdowns, similar population but more spread out geographically (safer), 3000 covid deaths

usa has 4% of the world's population but 30% of the covid deaths? BULLSHIT

[HockeyRocks]

they need to kept the numbers up for federal aid to the states........

Since when was Federal Aid determined by the number of covid deaths?

[milwaukee mike]

Since when was Federal Aid determined by the number of covid deaths?

since medicare paid additional money for anyone considered to have the virus

this will go down as the biggest fraud, and worst decision making in us history

[nyplayer33]

Everything is a scam

[Ghenghis Kahn]

This is all about DEPOPULATION. They want to kill around a billion people through vaccines. Gates says it openly. That's why they're pushing so hard for mandatory vaccination which will eventually lead to RFID chip through vaccines. Hence, if you want to live don't get vaccinated...

I've posted this many times but people just ignore it. NWO is real, they want to depopulate the planet and play Eugenics...

https://biohackinfo.com/news-bill-gates-id2020-vaccine-implant-covid-19-digital-certificates/?fbclid=IwAR3ST2DHW3jC_kENQpclWfdEbAqBD_5AEL48LbDfMq-0lNKnBGV1q4kQPvI

NWO is using the old KGB tactics to take over the world. Watch this video several times and understand why knucklehead brainwashed idiots will only change when it's too late.

[HockeyRocks]

since medicare paid additional money for anyone considered to have the virus

this will go down as the biggest fraud, and worst decision making in us history

Thats a bunch of fukking bullshyte. Medicare reimbursements are made to Hospitals and Doctors on any illnesses, even coronavirus, it's not called Federal Aid. There was never a time Medicare would not pay for coronavirus medical bills.

[HockeyRocks]

due to people saying "no my brother/mother/wife did NOT die from covid"

if every state did this, the death total would equal a normal cold/flu/pneumonia season

keep in mind the TOTAL DEATHS in the usa in 2020 is about the same as every other year

https://www.foxnews.com/us/colorado-...us-death-count

So you pick out one State....BFD...

[fried cheese]

Thats a bunch of fukking bullshyte. Medicare reimbursements are made to Hospitals and Doctors on any illnesses, even coronavirus, it's not called Federal Aid. There was never a time Medicare would not pay for coronavirus medical bills.

i guess you dont realize that hospitals get 20% more money per covid patient from medicare. so there is an incentive to say someone was a probable covid case even when they havent tested positive.

[PAULYPOKER]

mikey....we have had a clue unlike Fauchi and his clown crew

Lol.....
Only clue you have is nun........

You're high as your hero trump on the bullshit expert scale.....

Not once have you done one iota of research on this pandemic....

Exactly why you look sooo foolish,owned and rented on the subject.....

Just blow putred hot air outta both your holes......

You make an excellent parrot for the clueless for the fact you'll
say anything outta your own ignorance.......

[RudyRuetigger]

mezmurized, are you getting paid to chirp that stuff?

he is pauly poker

same everything

[HockeyRocks]

i guess you dont realize that hospitals get 20% more money per covid patient from medicare. so there is an incentive to say someone was a probable covid case even when they havent tested positive.

Re-read what the original poster said to whom my comments were referring to. I quote, "they need to keep the numbers up to Federal Aid to the States." Im well aware of the 20%, but that is a reimbursement paid to the Hospital and Medical providers. Has nothing to do with Federal Aid to States. Medicare knows fraud when they see it. A hospital will not want to make those claims if not true. If there any gov. agency that knows fraud when they see it, its Medicare.......Just google Gov. Rick Scott Medicare fraud and you will see.

[slewfan]

Re-read what the original poster said to whom my comments were referring to. I quote, "they need to keep the numbers up to Federal Aid to the States." Im well aware of the 20%, but that is a reimbursement paid to the Hospital and Medical providers. Has nothing to do with Federal Aid to States. Medicare knows fraud when they see it. A hospital will not want to make those claims if not true. If there any gov. agency that knows fraud when they see it, its Medicare.......Just google Gov. Rick Scott Medicare fraud and you will see.

This is what you call; "TURNING A BLIND EYE TO THE FACTS''. What the lying left does.

[mezmurized2]

mezmurized, are you getting paid to chirp that stuff?

Yes, of course...BIG BUCKS!!!...but I donate it all to a veterans group.
...and the funds come from a secretive society that call themselves:

" Republicans Who Respect the Truth "

you keep mentioning "people who died from covid-19" but even the people responsible for those numbers say that they aren't people that DIED from covid-19, just people who may or may not have had enough rna to make a judgement that they might have had covid

Yes, there are a few incidences where this is being alleged.
No actual *PROOF* of MASSIVE numbers, however, but logically
even I would agree that surely there must be some OVER-reporting
of deaths allegedly attributed due to COVID-19.
I don't doubt THAT for a minute!

However, it is also reported, as I have mentioned several times before,
of likely UNDERreporting of deaths to COVID-19 !
Although, in the same vain, there is no *PROOF* to support any
specific numbers - just that it is logical to assume some occurance -
particularly given that we NOW learned the virus *WAS* spreading here
in January and February unbeknownst to hospitals - and with a
horrific LACK of workiing test kits, therefore deaths occuring in hospitals
and at home were NOT tested for covid and presumed to be
seasonal flu or pneunomia. Those concerns are well-documented.

Logic, common sense and reason.

So,
after reading *YOUR* thread-starting post, I took the reported CDC numbers

SUBTRACTED 24%...and we got this:


18,360 covid-19 deaths *PER WEEK* > just since April 1


Compared to
1,357 influenza deaths *per week*



"...we find that the novel coronavirus killed between
9.5 and 44 times more people than seasonal flu!!!
In other words, the coronavirus is not anything
like the flu: It is much, much worse! "

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...es-to-oranges/
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[Gmen30]

Yes, of course...BIG BUCKS!!!...but I donate it all to a veterans group.
...and the funds come from a secretive society that call themselves:
"Republicans Who Respect the Truth"





Yes, there are a few incidences where this is being alleged.
No actual *PROOF* of MASSIVE numbers, however, but logically
even I would agree that surely there must be some OVER-reporting
of deaths allegedly attributed due to COVID-19.
I don't doubt THAT for a minute!

However, it is also reported, as I have mentioned several times before,
of likely UNDERreporting of deaths to COVID-19 !
Although, in the same vain, there is no *PROOF* to support any
specific numbers - just that it is logical to assume some occurance -
particularly given that we NOW learned the virus *WAS* spreading here
in January and February unbeknownst to hospitals - and with a
horrific LACK of workiing test kits, therefore deaths occuring in hospitals
and at home were NOT tested for covid and presumed to be
seasonal flu or pneunomia. Those concerns are well-documented.
Logic, common sense and reason.
So,
after reading *YOUR* thread-starting post, I took the reported CDC numbers

and SUBTRACTED 24% .....and we got this:


18,360 covid-19 deaths *PER WEEK* > just since April 1


Compared to
1,357 influenza deaths *per week*



"...we find that the novel coronavirus killed between
9.5 and 44 times more people than seasonal flu!!!
In other words, the coronavirus is not anything
like the flu: It is much, much worse! "

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...es-to-oranges/
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Pauly, who gives a fukk.

Live your life.

[Auto Donk]

bottom line: the numbers are baked, most deaths are among those who were just "playing out the season" of their lives, already living to die in old folk's homes or otherwise, AND if you live your life in fear of this virus you are a mother fukkin' pussy........

[mezmurized2]

Misleading info ?

i guess you dont realize that hospitals get 20% more money
per covid patient from medicare.
so there is an incentive to say
someone was a probable covid case
even when they havent tested positive.

Nah....I gotta toss the "challenge flag" on what is being implied here



from PolitiFACT:

https://tinyurl.com/yaa85pfn

"This is no scandal," Antos said.
"The 20% was added by Congress because hospitals have lost
revenue from routine care and elective surgeries that they can't
provide during this crisis, and because the cost of providing even
routine services to COVID patients has jumped."

Julie Aultman, a member of the editorial board of the
American Medical Association’s AMA Journal of Ethics,
told PolitiFact it is "very unlikely that physicians
or hospitals will falsify data or
be motivated by money to do so."

"There are strict policies for reporting and, quite frankly,
healthcare workers are only focusing on helping their patients
and doing as much as they can with little resources," said
Aultman, who is director of the medical ethics and humanities
program at Northeast Ohio Medical University.
"Ohio is reporting confirmed and suspected cases and so this
is how our providers are responding to their patients -- they
are being very transparent about confirmed versus suspected."




Our ruling

A post shared on Facebook claims hospitals have
a financial incentive to claim patients had COVID-19,

saying payment is three times higher if a patient
goes on a ventilator. An article the post links to includes
comments from a doctor who suggests
the number of coronavirus cases is being padded.


The article was posted on WorldNetDaily,
a conservative news website. It was
produced by The Spectator, which describes itself
as a conservative publication. The Spectator
reported on comments made by Dr. Scott Jensen,
a Minnesota physician and Republican state senator,
in an interview with Fox News host Laura Ingraham.

The article was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts
to combat false news and misinformation

It is standard for Medicare to pay roughly three times
more for a patient with a respiratory condition who goes
on a ventilator than for one who does not.
THAT has nothing to do with the coronavirus!

Indications are, that due to a lack of testing and other factors,
the number of coronavirus cases
has been undercounted, not padded.


For a statement that is partially accurate,

our rating is Half True.

Source:
https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...D-19-payments/
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[HockeyRocks]

Nah....I gotta toss the "challenge flag" on what is being implied here



from PolitiFACT:

https://tinyurl.com/yaa85pfn

"This is no scandal," Antos said.
"The 20% was added by Congress because hospitals have lost
revenue from routine care and elective surgeries that they can't
provide during this crisis, and because the cost of providing even
routine services to COVID patients has jumped."

Julie Aultman, a member of the editorial board of the
American Medical Association’s AMA Journal of Ethics,
told PolitiFact it is "very unlikely that physicians
or hospitals will falsify data or
be motivated by money to do so."

"There are strict policies for reporting and, quite frankly,
healthcare workers are only focusing on helping their patients
and doing as much as they can with little resources," said
Aultman, who is director of the medical ethics and humanities
program at Northeast Ohio Medical University.
"Ohio is reporting confirmed and suspected cases and so this
is how our providers are responding to their patients -- they
are being very transparent about confirmed versus suspected."




Our ruling

A post shared on Facebook claims hospitals have
a financial incentive to claim patients had COVID-19,

saying payment is three times higher if a patient
goes on a ventilator. An article the post links to includes
comments from a doctor who suggests
the number of coronavirus cases is being padded.


The article was posted on WorldNetDaily,
a conservative news website. It was
produced by The Spectator, which describes itself
as a conservative publication. The Spectator
reported on comments made by Dr. Scott Jensen,
a Minnesota physician and Republican state senator,
in an interview with Fox News host Laura Ingraham.

The article was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts
to combat false news and misinformation

It is standard for Medicare to pay roughly three times
more for a patient with a respiratory condition who goes
on a ventilator than for one who does not.
THAT has nothing to do with the coronavirus!

Indications are, that due to a lack of testing and other factors,
the number of coronavirus cases
has been undercounted, not padded.


For a statement that is partially accurate,

our rating is Half True.

Source:
https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...D-19-payments/
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Great Post...

[mezmurized2]

since medicare paid additional money for anyone considered to have the virus this will go down as the biggest fraud, and worst decision making in us history

One has to ask who is the Federal government in charge
that is allowing YOUR alleged "fraud" to occur right now?

IF such "fraud" is occuring, as you claim, then on who's watch is this happening? And WTF is the Federal Government doing about it ?!
Or are they just allowing a heinous "fraud" to continue?

Should we have yet ANOTHER reason to condemn the current WH ??

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[mezmurized2]

[QUOTE=milwaukee mike;29453566]

since medicare paid additional money for anyone considered to have the virus

Ohh Mikey
This has been refuted a number of times, and once again I refer
to a solid source in my detailed post above, and yet...

since medicare paid additional money for
anyone considered to have the virus
this will go down as the biggest fraud,
and worst decision making in us history

One has to ask WHO is the Federal government in charge
that is allowing YOUR alleged "fraud" to occur right now?

IF such "fraud" is occuring, as you claim, then on who's watch is this happening?

And WTF is the Federal Government doing about it ?!

Or are they just allowing a heinous "fraud" to continue?

Do we have yet ANOTHER reason to condemn the current WH ??


Expected answer by many uninformed people:

"No way should the current Federal Government be held accountable
for permitting alleged widespread COVID-19 related "fraud" in 2020.
It is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE for the WH to do anything to stop it.
Obviously current "fraud" ongoing in the current Federal Government
must be the fault of the Obama administration

...and Hunter Biden
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[mezmurized2]

taiwan = no businesses shut, no schools closed, 7 total covid deaths

I AGREE with you....Taiwan is doing a great job!
Hong Kong, S.Korea, Japan, and the scandinavian countries too!




About Taiwan:

Taiwan, a nation of 23 million, about the size of New York

According to a Stanford Health Policy analysis published this month
in the Journal of the American Medical Association, Taiwan learned
from the failures of its response to the 2003 SARS outbreak.

Preparing for the next epidemic, the country established a centralized disaster management center to focus on large-outbreak response and to direct communications among central, regional
and local authorities.

Taiwan began restricting flights on Dec. 31,
when the first news of
an unknown virus in Wuhan broke.


Taiwan's Central Epidemic Command Center was activated
on Jan. 20, and between then and Feb. 24, it took 124 actions
based on assessments gathered from the country’s
integration of big data and technology.

They included:

• Border control from the air and sea, including travel restrictions and cruise ship bans
• Case identification (using new data and technology), patients’ 14-day travel history integrated into the National Health Insurance Administration and Immigration Agency database
• Quarantine of suspicious cases and electronic monitoring of quarantined individuals via government-issued cell phones
• Proactive case finding
• Resource allocation (assessing and managing capacity), such as setting up test sites and taking over production of surgical and N95 masks (more than 10 million per day) ...ie. very widespread use of MASKS!!!
• Reassurance and education of the public while fighting misinformation;
• investigated rumors that started a toilet paper panic and prosecuted a man for claiming cyanide wards off coronavirus
• Negotiation with other countries and regions
• Formulation of policies toward schools and childcare
• Relief to businesses

In contrast to Taiwan’s speedy emergency medical mobilization,
which undoubtedly limited coronavirus cases and saved lives,
countries such as Italy, Iran, France and the United States
have been slow to act as the pandemic spreads.

Physicians and other health experts have admitted
that the U.S. system for testing for the virus
has been a failure.
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[fried cheese]

Julie Aultman, a member of the editorial board of the
American Medical Association’s AMA Journal of Ethics,
told PolitiFact it is "very unlikely that physicians
or hospitals will falsify data or
be motivated by money to do so."

"There are strict policies for reporting and, quite frankly,
healthcare workers are only focusing on helping their patients
and doing as much as they can with little resources," said
Aultman, who is director of the medical ethics and humanities
program at Northeast Ohio Medical University.

ok so hospitals in colorado got caught reporting deaths from things like alcohol poisoning as covid deaths and you still think there are strict policies for reporting covid deaths? i dont know how julie aultman would define falsifying data but i would view this as at least in the spirit of falsifying data.

[mezmurized2]

ok so hospitals in colorado got caught reporting deaths from things like alcohol poisoning as covid deaths and you still think there are strict policies for reporting covid deaths?

i dont know how julie aultman would define falsifying data
but i would view this as
at least in the spirit of falsifying data.

Hmmmm....Most would contend that YOUR term "falsifying data" would imply INTENT to DECEIVE...which of course is criminal.


excerpts from story:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/colorados-state-health-department-clarifies-covid-19-death-data-878-covid-19-deaths-as-of-friday/ar-BB149zIF

Originally, CDPHE was keeping a tally of COVID-19 deaths, a number that exceeded 1,000 recently. However, in some of those cases, COVID-19 was not the main cause of the patient's passing.
CDPHE created two categories in their data table to report deaths,
"Deaths Among Cases" and
"Deaths Due to COVID-19."

As of Friday, deaths due to COVID-19 according to the state stood at 878.
Deaths Among Cases was 1,150,
which represents total deaths of people who had COVID-19, but COVID-19
may not have been the cause of death listed on the death certificate.

From what I see, YES, they are indeed following strict "policies"
for reporting deaths. They made two categories: No "falsifying."
BOTH categories appear to be legit and publicly available!

It would appear reasonable, that there was simply a misunderstanding
as to *HOW* to report deaths to CDC: all covid-19 related deaths or just
deaths specifically as a result of COVID-19.
I see no malice here.

There doesn't appear to be PROOF that reporting the larger of the two
numbers (all of whom had COVID-19) was INTENTIONALLY done
*specifically* in a malicious attempt to falsify data to mislead the public,
other than possible conspiracy theories from a conservative source.

However, if there is PROOF from an unbiased source of criminal intent
then we all would love to see that!
Because I say criminals should be imprisoned - even if they are
a President.


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[slambam]

Nah....I gotta toss the "challenge flag" on what is being implied here



from PolitiFACT:

https://tinyurl.com/yaa85pfn

"This is no scandal," Antos said.
"The 20% was added by Congress because hospitals have lost
revenue from routine care and elective surgeries that they can't
provide during this crisis, and because the cost of providing even
routine services to COVID patients has jumped."

Julie Aultman, a member of the editorial board of the
American Medical Association’s AMA Journal of Ethics,
told PolitiFact it is "very unlikely that physicians
or hospitals will falsify data or
be motivated by money to do so."

"There are strict policies for reporting and, quite frankly,
healthcare workers are only focusing on helping their patients
and doing as much as they can with little resources," said
Aultman, who is director of the medical ethics and humanities
program at Northeast Ohio Medical University.
"Ohio is reporting confirmed and suspected cases and so this
is how our providers are responding to their patients -- they
are being very transparent about confirmed versus suspected."




Our ruling

A post shared on Facebook claims hospitals have
a financial incentive to claim patients had COVID-19,

saying payment is three times higher if a patient
goes on a ventilator. An article the post links to includes
comments from a doctor who suggests
the number of coronavirus cases is being padded.


The article was posted on WorldNetDaily,
a conservative news website. It was
produced by The Spectator, which describes itself
as a conservative publication. The Spectator
reported on comments made by Dr. Scott Jensen,
a Minnesota physician and Republican state senator,
in an interview with Fox News host Laura Ingraham.

The article was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts
to combat false news and misinformation

It is standard for Medicare to pay roughly three times
more for a patient with a respiratory condition who goes
on a ventilator than for one who does not.
THAT has nothing to do with the coronavirus!

Indications are, that due to a lack of testing and other factors,
the number of coronavirus cases
has been undercounted, not padded.


For a statement that is partially accurate,

our rating is Half True.

Source:
https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...D-19-payments/
.

But, but, but Fox News said so! Can't fix stupid, and the morons who believe the dumbest shit. I'm surprised braindead guys like Milwaukee Mike and Donk haven't chugged a bottle of Lysol and started taking baths in hydroxychloroquine.

[Sanity Check]

Every corona virus thread, reads like a page from Alex Jones infowars.

Its so strange.

[HockeyRocks]

ok so hospitals in colorado got caught reporting deaths from things like alcohol poisoning as covid deaths and you still think there are strict policies for reporting covid deaths? i dont know how julie aultman would define falsifying data but i would view this as at least in the spirit of falsifying data.

Hey CHUMP, you want to see Medicare Fraud. Google, Gov. Rick Scott Medicare Fraud. You will see what Medicare Fraud is. What ever has happened in Colorado, fact or fiction, is pocket change compared with what the hospitals paid in penalties because of Medicare fraud committed under Rick Scott. Penalties totally 1.7 Billion fukking dollars. And the people of Fla still vote for this thief....

[fried cheese]

Hey CHUMP, you want to see Medicare Fraud. Google, Gov. Rick Scott Medicare Fraud. You will see what Medicare Fraud is. What ever has happened in Colorado, fact or fiction, is pocket change compared with what the hospitals paid in penalties because of Medicare fraud committed under Rick Scott. Penalties totally 1.7 Billion fukking dollars. And the people of Fla still vote for this thief....

wow, politicians and hospitals commit fraud? that is what i have been arguing. if you think they catch the majority of medicare fraud you are naive.

[fried cheese]

It would appear reasonable, that there was simply a misunderstanding
as to *HOW* to report deaths to CDC: all covid-19 related deaths or just
deaths specifically as a result of COVID-19.
I see no malice here.

yea ok they misunderstood if they should use the list that included death from alcohol poisoning as covid deaths. they only possibly misunderstood whether the cdc wanted them to trick ppl or not.

[mezmurized2]

yea ok they misunderstood

Yup.
So they removed 272 from their count and are now going only
with the death list attributed directly to COVID-19,
full transparency to the public.

NO PROOF that same misunderstanding is occurring in all 50 states.




18,360 covid-19 deaths *PER WEEK* > just since April 1

Compared to
1,357 influenza deaths *per week*


"...we find that the novel coronavirus killed between
9.5 and 44 times more people than seasonal flu!!!
In other words, the coronavirus is not anything
like the flu: It is much, much worse! "

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...es-to-oranges/

[RudyRuetigger]

Yup.
So they removed 272 from their count and are now going only
with the death list attributed directly to COVID-19,
full transparency to the public.

NO PROOF that same misunderstanding is occurring in all 50 states.




18,360 covid-19 deaths *PER WEEK* > just since April 1

Compared to
1,357 influenza deaths *per week*


"...we find that the novel coronavirus killed between
9.5 and 44 times more people than seasonal flu!!!
In other words, the coronavirus is not anything
like the flu: It is much, much worse! "

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...es-to-oranges/

why is pauly still posting under this name?

[mezmurized2]

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But, but, but Fox News said so!

Can't fix stupid, and the morons who believe the dumbest shit. I'm surprised braindead guys like Milwaukee Mike and Donk haven't chugged a bottle of Lysol and started taking baths in hydroxychloroquine.

[RudyRuetigger]

what a clown

anyone with a clue knows this is pauly

[mezmurized2]

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Yup.
So they removed 272 from their count and are now going only
with the death list attributed directly to COVID-19,
full transparency to the public.

NO PROOF that same misunderstanding is occurring in all 50 states.




18,360 covid-19 deaths *PER WEEK* > just since April 1

Compared to
1,357 influenza deaths *per week*


"...we find that the novel coronavirus killed between
9.5 and 44 times more people than seasonal flu!!!
In other words, the coronavirus is not anything
like the flu: It is much, much worse! "

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...es-to-oranges/

[PharaohUB]

It is interesting, and appears to be factual.


1/ But this is ONE state. We don't know how many other states have similarly been counting cases of death that were NOT actually attributed to COVID-19. We do know it has been speculated, yes. But the proof of this being widespread and significant is lacking.


2/ Colorado is only 272 OVER-reported deaths (1150 total minus 878 proven) = 24% reduction.


3/ For the umpteenth time, the CDC stats reveal a mean average of
= 1,357 influenza deaths per week. (no mitigation to keep spread down)


4/ As I type this, the US reported death toll from Johns Hokins is 89,550. But the "high-active" portion of the COVID-19 season has been since April 01 (~5,000 alread)...which means, we have had 84,550 deaths just since April 01...For argument sake let's just make a really wild assumption and make blieve that *ALL* states are inadvertently over-reporting deaths by that same 24%. There is no basis in fact for assuming this for ALL 50 states of course, but we will here anyway...
That knocks the total down to 64,258 just since April 01.


5/ That's not quite 7 full weeks yet but we'll round it up to 7 weeks to make the numbers seem better FOR YOU. Thus, 64,258 deaths divided by 7 full weeks
=9,180 COVID-19 deaths per week


6/ The comparison is 700% more COVID-19 vs. seasonal influenza


7/ The current COVID-19 death totals have been reported in other articles to be UNDERreported - due to deaths at home or at nursing-homes which do not make it to the hospital and therefore NOT tested to confirm COVID-19, as well as an "accepted assumption" that there was likely numerous hundreds perhaps thousands deaths attributed to flu/pneumonia or other causes - during January and February - before we even knew of a pandemic -- and therefore didn't or couldn't test those deaths for covid-19 and had to assume some other cause! I've shown links to this reports in other threads. So we can reasonably conlcude there was likely UNDERreported deaths but we have no idea how many. It is logical however.
Mind you, there are only 272 OVER-reported deaths from Colorado.


8/ Here's the point so many keep FORGETTING....Despite all the wailing & whining about the last 8 week lockdown (full mitigation) -- somehow ALL of FOX News and most Trump-supporters forget that the reason the COVID-19 death is only reported at almost 90k today is
*because* of the spread-suppressing effect of the very lockdown they are crying about!

Of course, we have no way of knowing just how many THOUSANDS more deaths would have occurred without a lockdown. It's speculation.
But logically it would be much higher! Waaaaaaayyyyy higher! Double? TRIPLE??
Hell, in NY - even with full lockdown the numbers are horrific!!!

Well for my logic-based argument here, I will assume at least DOUBLE the death toll had this highly infectious disease been allowed to FREELY spread just like any influenza season.

**And remember, this is NOT yet adding in the UNDERreported deaths!

Sooooo, 64,258 deaths X 2 because of NO lockdowns,
= 128,516 true covid-19 deaths JUST SINCE APRIL 01.

Divide that by past 7 weeks,

= 18,360 covid-19 deaths *PER WEEK* >> just since April 01.



Compared to 1,357 influenza deaths *per week*



While it is clear FOX News would NEVER print the logical math, and would most likely
contend that those two numbers are roughly EQUAL, I am confident that
"reasonable" NON-partisan people will understand how misleading it is to push
the proven false narrative that covid-19 is about the same as the seasonal flu...

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So you’re using total year influenza numbers to get your weekly numbers but only looking at the peak for for covid. If you just looked at peak of flu season that would be a better comparison. No reason to believe that this won’t get better during warm climate too. Also your numbers don’t mean a damn thing if they aren’t being reported accurately.

[mezmurized2]

So you’re using total year influenza numbers to get your weekly numbers
but only looking at the peak for for covid.
If you just looked at peak of flu season that would be a better comparison.

Your point makes perfect sense. I agree!


And that is why I correctly took the annual avg influenza deaths of 38,000
and divided by 28 weeks - which is the peak season (~ 6.5 months)

38,000 divided by 28 weeks = 1,357 influenza deaths *per week*

Hope you enjoy a fine weekend
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