Sweet Jesus – The Death Projection Has Freakin DOUBLED!!

[WillyBoy]

UW’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME), the numbers place the White House (once again) relies on for data – at least when it isn’t going by the orange blimp’s whole-cloth fabrications – has more than doubled its death projection from what it was a month ago – from 60,000 to 135,000 by early August; and every numbers guy I know agrees that the assumptions built in to IHME’s model are still far too optimistic.

Come on morons, now tell me how everything’s peachy, that Covid 19 is just the flu, that the big death numbers are faked, tell me only FAUX News tells the truth – and tell me that Trump is lying! Can’t wait to hear from you dummy deniers.

[Slurry Pumper]

OK,
The numbers are faked, but you won't know it until all the other numbers for other illnesses come in. States are padding the wuflu numbers in an effort to get more bucks from the federal government. I can't blame them, remember compensation will dictate their actions.
By the way, even at 100,000+ deaths, this experiment is a failure. They need about 5 million to die to justify trashing the world economy. This whole thing was a failure.

[vitterd]

OK,
The numbers are faked, but you won't know it until all the other numbers for other illnesses come in. States are padding the wuflu numbers in an effort to get more bucks from the federal government. I can't blame them, remember compensation will dictate their actions.
By the way, even at 100,000+ deaths, this experiment is a failure. They need about 5 million to die to justify trashing the world economy. This whole thing was a failure.

What the hell are you talking about? None of this post makes sense.

[Slurry Pumper]

What the hell are you talking about? None of this post makes sense.

Death numbers are faked big time, and still there hasn't been enough death to justify the shutdown of the earth. Yes I'm pro more people croaking especially ones with jobs, less competition when I go back to being productive.

[SBR_Guest_Pro]

Yup, death number inflated by hospitals to get more money. They get reimbursed more for covid19 death than a pneumonia death

[mezmurized2]

from article:

"This is no scandal," Antos said.
"The 20% was added by Congress because hospitals have lost
revenue from routine care and elective surgeries that they can't
provide during this crisis, and because the cost of providing even
routine services to COVID patients has jumped."

Julie Aultman, a member of the editorial board of the
American Medical Association’s AMA Journal of Ethics,
told PolitiFact it is "very unlikely that physicians or hospitals
will falsify data or be motivated by money to do so."
"There are strict policies for reporting and, quite frankly,
healthcare workers are only focusing on helping their patients and
doing as much as they can with little resources," said Aultman,
who is director of the medical ethics and humanities program
at Northeast Ohio Medical University.
"Ohio is reporting confirmed and suspected cases and so this is
how our providers are responding to their patients -- they are
being very transparent about confirmed versus suspected."

As for the suggestion that there is an overcount of COVID-19 cases,
"the data has suggested that, in fact, there's a
significant undercount of deaths due to COVID,"
Jennifer Kates, the Kaiser Family Foundation’s director of
global health & HIV policy, told PolitiFact.



Our ruling

A post shared on Facebook claims hospitals have a
financial incentive to claim patients had COVID-19,
saying payment is three times higher if a patient goes
on a ventilator. An article the post links to includes
comments from a doctor who suggests the number
of coronavirus cases is being padded.

It is standard for Medicare to pay roughly three times
more for a patient with a respiratory condition who
goes on a ventilator than for one who does not.
That has nothing to do with the coronavirus.

As part of a federal stimulus bill, Medicare is paying
hospitals 20% more than standard rates for COVID-19 patients.

Indications are that due to a lack of testing and
other factors, the number of coronavirus cases
has been undercounted, not padded.



Source:
https://tinyurl.com/yaa85pfn

[WillyBoy]

OK,
The numbers are faked, but you won't know it until all the other numbers for other illnesses come in. States are padding the wuflu numbers in an effort to get more bucks from the federal government. I can't blame them, remember compensation will dictate their actions.
By the way, even at 100,000+ deaths, this experiment is a failure. They need about 5 million to die to justify trashing the world economy. This whole thing was a failure.

When a lie like yours continues to make the rounds, it only encourages your fellow morons to opt for high-risk behaviors, which endanger us all.

The additional compensation hospitals receive under the CARES Act is NOT for death, it’s for the treatment which PREVIOUSLY Coronavirus-diagnosed patients receive. (Take a deep breath, and think that through slowly.) Aha, you say, then the massive fraud you (and Laura Ingraham) insist hospitals are committing is their initial diagnosis of Covid 19! Thing is, doctors, medical examiners, and the labs which do the testing (who independently report their results to the CDC, as well as MEDICARE), all would have to be in on such widespread fraud, and it’s not like the risk/reward ratio is all that compelling: prison and loss of medical license, and MEDICARE accreditation, versus a few thousand more in compensation to hospitals – which have already eaten the costs? (Even the doctor, whom Ingraham misquoted to start the lie rolling, has walked it back, saying he never said hospitals were intentionally misidentifying Coronavirus patients.)

Not that hearing the truth will stop idiots, like yourself, from keeping the myth alive. It sure feels better than facing those nasty, pesky facts.

[Slurry Pumper]

https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/spl/pennsylvania-death-count-changes-confusion-coroanvirus-20200423.html

PA has already been called out on the fake death scam. Willy Boy you don't have to leave the house if you don't want, staying huddled up on the couch expecting the government to keep you alive is fine people have been doing it for years, its called wellfare. Yes I will give my share of profits up to keep your ass nice and safe. And yes, I will also go off and give my life for your right to be wrong in a war against a virus. Thankfully there are guys like me so that a few years from now there will actually be a place that is willing to keep you the way you are. Keep in mind however some of us have a higher calling than just surviving.

[deltgen]

OK,
By the way, even at 100,000+ deaths, this experiment is a failure. They need about 5 million to die to justify trashing the world economy. This whole thing was a failure.

This.

[vitterd]

Man, the stupidity of some is just amazing. The death toll is likely under reported. No home deaths being counted and who knows how long this has actually been here and people have been dying from it. Bad info from slurry pumper and these other guys can cause even more death.

[Slurry Pumper]

Man, the stupidity of some is just amazing. The death toll is likely under reported. No home deaths being counted and who knows how long this has actually been here and people have been dying from it. Bad info from slurry pumper and these other guys can cause even more death.

Part of your problem is assuming that I gave information. Aside from a link to an article, I gave an opinion. Like I typed earlier, I am PRO more death from this pandemic. We need some of the herd to be thinned out, and a paltry couple hundred thousand ain't gonna cut it. If it happens to be me who needs to make an exit, then you can rejoice and feel vindicated. After all this shit goes down I think (another opinion) that the world will look back and decide that cowardly staying away from living is a stupid thing.

BTW: Willy Boy, I'm not a moron, I'm an asshole get it right.

[Auto Donk]

What the hell are you talking about? None of this post makes sense.

it does if you get objective news.... I'm not going into details don't have time, but to sum it up,, most hospitals get MORE gov't money for covid patients, so incentive is there to claim a death is covid as opposed to heart failure or common flu, etc.


one suffocation of a child was coded by a hosp looking to get more $$$ as covid, for ex. it's going on all over....

we know this because all other causes of death have dropped like a rock.... statistical impossibility, indicating that those deaths , which we know happen like clockwork and can be predicted, did happen but were miscoded........

his last point is a virus taking out less than half of one percent of the human race is not something to panic over and crash the world's economic system with moronic "shelter in place" orders.....

if it got one in ten of us, it'd be a bit dicier.... one in four, I probably don't go outside and shelter in place until I can get to my ranch, were then I'm on my own....

[vitterd]

Part of your problem is assuming that I gave information. Aside from a link to an article, I gave an opinion. Like I typed earlier, I am PRO more death from this pandemic. We need some of the herd to be thinned out, and a paltry couple hundred thousand ain't gonna cut it. If it happens to be me who needs to make an exit, then you can rejoice and feel vindicated. After all this shit goes down I think (another opinion) that the world will look back and decide that cowardly staying away from living is a stupid thing.

BTW: Willy Boy, I'm not a moron, I'm an asshole get it right.

The main problem is trump is choosing politics over science. This next month is gonna even be worse than the last few, we should look how other countries stopped this virus, instead we try some staggered approach that experts are warning against.

[WillyBoy]

https://www.inquirer.com/health/coro...-20200423.html

PA has already been called out on the fake death scam. Willy Boy you don't have to leave the house if you don't want, staying huddled up on the couch expecting the government to keep you alive is fine people have been doing it for years, its called wellfare. Yes I will give my share of profits up to keep your ass nice and safe. And yes, I will also go off and give my life for your right to be wrong in a war against a virus. Thankfully there are guys like me so that a few years from now there will actually be a place that is willing to keep you the way you are. Keep in mind however some of us have a higher calling than just surviving.

I can appreciate how people, like yourself, have special needs, so I’ll be nice. No I won’t. Did you even READ the article you referenced, you halfwit? Did you go any further than the headline? You really should. And if you have any trouble with big words, I’ll be glad to help.

[Heltah Skeltah]

Yup, death number inflated by hospitals to get more money. They get reimbursed more for covid19 death than a pneumonia death

They get 40k per coronavirus death. Why you think hospitals were laying off nurses that care for patients outta surgery. They shut down surgeries altogether. Hospitals making more money reporting coronavirus deaths.

[fried cheese]

The main problem is trump is choosing politics over science. This next month is gonna even be worse than the last few, we should look how other countries stopped this virus, instead we try some staggered approach that experts are warning against.

not even taking into account the constitution, the problem with listening to health officials is that they are only calculating the benefits of the shutdowns and not weighing the risks. how many lives will be ruined and how many will starve because of the shutdowns. the un has stated that the shutdowns may cause more deaths than the actual disease.

[SBR_Guest_Pro]

Man, the stupidity of some is just amazing. The death toll is likely under reported. No home deaths being counted and who knows how long this has actually been here and people have been dying from it. Bad info from slurry pumper and these other guys can cause even more death.

why are you right and the other guy wrong?

[WillyBoy]

not even taking into account the constitution, the problem with listening to health officials is that they are only calculating the benefits of the shutdowns and not weighing the risks. how many lives will be ruined and how many will starve because of the shutdowns. the un has stated that the shutdowns may cause more deaths than the actual disease.

No question, it's a crappy either or choice the country faces - but how we got here is worth remembering. The U.S. stalled catastrophically in its response to the pandemic: wasting more than 2 months, blaming China, the WHO, Dr. Fauci, and the media; and then, when the CDC finally managed to develop a test, it was too little too late. Testing was limited to only the symptomatic, thus forcing governors to lockdown their individual states to stop it spreading. S. Korea’s was the ideal response, which also partially locked downed, but ramped up its testing, which included clusters – the infected, coworkers, friends and family – then isolation and quarantine. The result is that S. Korea’s Covid 19 numbers are now extremely low, and theirs is a quickly recovering economy, while the U.S. faces the diseased rock and the economic hard place. A cost Americans are paying now, and for the foreseeable future, thanks to the self-serving stupidity which currently infects the White House.

[hawkwind]

When it hits 3.5 million in the US or 75 Million World wide you'll have my attention until then you start to realize what it really is.

[KVB]

...States are padding the wuflu numbers in an effort to get more bucks from the federal government. I can't blame them, remember compensation will dictate their actions...

People keep saying this without proof and the reason I bring it up is that it doesn’t pass the smell test.

The ACT only offered extra money for certain programs and minimizing COVID-19 and being able to perform the other procedures the hospital isn’t doing right now would be much more financially sound idea.

The risk versus reward simply isn’t there for nearly every hospital. Perhaps it was Jensen‘s comments taken out of context or just some social media rumors making the rounds, but there really isn’t evidence of hospitals falsifying anything at the risk of prosecution.

Maybe it happened somewhere in some small outfit, but it couldn’t possibly have happened to alter numbers and projections with any significance.

Proof seems rare these days.

[Slurry Pumper]

People keep saying this without proof and the reason I bring it up is that it doesn’t pass the smell test.

Thanks for bringing it back to my first post. You won't know definitively until the numbers for other illnesses come in. At that point we can make a scientific assessment of the cover up and then at that time I believe the country will realize that the numbers for the Kungflu were inflated.
All of this calling each other names and berating the opinions is not productive and it just divides us more. In a year or so someone can dig this thread up and we can declare a winner. Until then it is all just opinion. Let me be clear my stance is yes the numbers are inflated, and probably wildly too. I also think there will be a cover up so you will need to pay attention to how the numbers are presented and words matter so things like covid related will be sprinkled in so that the CYA aspect of any reporting can be observed.

[vitterd]

why are you right and the other guy wrong?

Because it’s always that way. His is a theory and mine is fact. Once you learn the difference between the two, you will understand why I’m right.

[KVB]

Thanks for bringing it back to my first post. You won't know definitively until the numbers for other illnesses come in. At that point we can make a scientific assessment of the cover up and then at that time I believe the country will realize that the numbers for the Kungflu were inflated.
All of this calling each other names and berating the opinions is not productive and it just divides us more. In a year or so someone can dig this thread up and we can declare a winner. Until then it is all just opinion. Let me be clear my stance is yes the numbers are inflated, and probably wildly too. I also think there will be a cover up so you will need to pay attention to how the numbers are presented and words matter so things like covid related will be sprinkled in so that the CYA aspect of any reporting can be observed.

Ok, so no proof but let me educate you. This is not how it works.

If a hospital was committing fraud, they would be caught. Samples are sent to the CDC (or the locality to eventually be in the national database) for independent testing.

If a hospital lied about a patient having covid-19, there would be a record of it.

It's a bit like telling the IRS as lie when your employer already sent the info in.

If there is mediacre fraud, it will become actual news, not just some social media account jumping to conclusions.

lol.

[PittsburghPlayer]

Kman, you are thinking of the old USA, the new rules are that the media is bought and paid
NOTHING will EVER change for the better again for the USA

sad but funny/true

[KVB]

Kman, you are thinking of the old USA, the new rules are that the media is bought and paid
NOTHING will EVER change for the better again for the USA

sad but funny/true

Nonsense. Even with bought and paid for the whole "making up deaths for money" theory just doesn't pass any test.

It just isn't happening and if it were, it wouldn't affect the numbers.

The bought and paid for media doesn't need to actually report on actual crime, which this would be, they can just make crime up.

Which is what they did here.

[Slurry Pumper]

OK so I guess we have people on both sides, so we will see sometime in the future who is correct. I see all the points about fraud, but fraud is a hard thing to prove during these times, and part of my point is that you're right nobody in their right mind is going to jeopardize their livelihoods over this stuff. Still I contend it will happen.

[KVB]

OK so I guess we have people on both sides, so we will see sometime in the future who is correct. I see all the points about fraud, but fraud is a hard thing to prove during these times, and part of my point is that you're right nobody in their right mind is going to jeopardize their livelihoods over this stuff. Still I contend it will happen.

You created a crime that didn't occur (and can show no proof or even accusation) and now are creating two "sides" around it.

WTF? Are you the Rachel Maddow/Tucker Carlson SBR handle?

[fried cheese]

You created a crime that didn't occur (and can show no proof or even accusation) and now are creating two "sides" around it.

WTF? Are you the Rachel Maddow/Tucker Carlson SBR handle?

there will definitely be fraud. the only question is how significant it will be. one hospital already got caught faking testing lines for the news.

[PittsburghPlayer]

Nonsense. Even with bought and paid for the whole "making up deaths for money" theory just doesn't pass any test.

It just isn't happening and if it were, it wouldn't affect the numbers.

The bought and paid for media doesn't need to actually report on actual crime, which this would be, they can just make crime up.

Which is what they did here.

making up numbers for cash does not pass any tests?
other than the corruption test

the world now knows (thanks to the internet) that the USA is a war machine, only makes sense someone would eventually beat us at our own game/lie

when one realizes that, everything else is a shit-show/war

[KVB]

making up numbers for cash does not pass any tests?..

Correct. Hospitals stand to benefit from not having covid patients. Right now they are unable to do a lot of things, some life saving, that contribute to their revenue.

Hospitals also get the extra money for anyone ona ventilator, it's always been that way, Kung Flu or not.

Samples sent directly to the CDC show the ease at which it fraud at the hospital level would be discovered.

You see Pitt, when you understand how it works, it makes easy to sniff out the bullshit.

[KVB]

there will definitely be fraud. the only question is how significant it will be. one hospital already got caught faking testing lines for the news.

Fraud only involves lying on the forms to get more money. Fraud is prosecutable under the law.

Fake lines and all that aren't fraud.

It's just bullshit...lol.

When I say fraud, I'm being very specific.

[PittsburghPlayer]

hey, I`m not taking this shit from a man that has an injured ankle

as a matter of fact I did not even read it yet, so, you got me
Player is fukked-up, again

knowing you are a good fukker makes me smile

unless the post below pisses me off later

Correct. Hospitals stand to benefit from not having covid patients. Right now they are unable to do a lot of things, some life saving, that contribute to their revenue.

Hospitals also get the extra money for anyone ona ventilator, it's always been that way, Kung Flu or not.

Samples sent directly to the CDC show the ease at which it fraud at the hospital level would be discovered.

You see Pitt, when you understand how it works, it makes easy to sniff out the bullshit.

[KVB]

hey, I`m not taking this shit from a man that has an injured ankle

as a matter of fact I did not even read it yet, so, you got me
Player is fukked-up, again

knowing you are a good fukker makes me smile

unless the post below pisses me off later

[PittsburghPlayer]

K-V-D, you are a good man
smarter than most
and can still out-run most us assholes on a broken wing

[mezmurized2]

People keep saying this without proof and the reason I bring it up is that it doesn’t pass the smell test.

The ACT only offered extra money for certain programs and minimizing COVID-19 and being able to perform the other procedures the hospital isn’t doing right now would be much more financially sound idea.

The risk versus reward simply isn’t there for nearly every hospital. Perhaps it was Jensen‘s comments taken out of context or just some social media rumors making the rounds, but there really isn’t evidence of hospitals falsifying anything at the risk of prosecution.

Maybe it happened somewhere in some small outfit, but it couldn’t possibly have happened to alter numbers and projections with any significance.

Proof seems rare these days.

Very good points.