True deadly fire in Vegas was ground-level.

[Snowball]

Real Las Vegas victim Rocky Palermo says the proximity of shots was
getting closer and closer, and they were horizontal, not from hotel:
https://theblast.com/las-vegas-victi...ooters-theory/

If he told this to Erin Burnett in hospital room, CNN edited it out:
http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/10...egas-massacre/

Palermo's facebook page shows his hunting experiences
https://www.facebook.com/rocky.palermo

Palermo told FBI about the ground-level shooting
http://www.nnettle.com/news/2887-las...n-in-the-crowd-

Another witness says ground-level shooting is what killed people:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG0V9jFGPlY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa2MyPLRJFs

In the above link, Jim Fetzer and another guy blow apart Las Vegas false flag/hoax combo

Ex-CIA Steele's talks about Las Vegas (his theory is being confirmed)

https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...eele+las+vegas

Gunman at ground level - entire story abour live fire from hotel likely false.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ground+lev...ffsb&ia=videos

[brainfreeze]

I think there was a ton of different guns up there ... a shotgun is going to sound different than ar and so fourth. Then the shooter was using 2 different windows from 2 different rooms. This is probably why the sounds were dramatically different. My opinion..

[Crusherrr]

I think there was a ton of different guns up there ... a shotgun is going to sound different than ar and so fourth. Then the shooter was using 2 different windows from 2 different rooms. This is probably why the sounds were dramatically different. My opinion..

Yeah, I'm sure he was using a shotgun from the 32nd floor over 1000 feet away.

[Snowball]

I think there was a ton of different guns up there ..

yeah, and they were brought up using the SERVICE ELEVATOR
which Steve Wynn said live on Fox yesterday to Chris Wallace.
7 minutes in. before that he said the man was perfect customer
in Vegas since 2006. 36 hours of Do Not Dusturb unchecked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxBZPCfJvMc

[Auto Donk]

yeah, and they were brought up using the SERVICE ELEVATOR
which Steve Wynn said live on Fox yesterday to Chris Wallace.

actually, after alluding to that, he "walked it back" in modern day terms, and refrained from throwing "his friends over at mgm" under the bus....

[Snowball]

actually, after alluding to that, he "walked it back" in modern day terms, and refrained from throwing "his friends over at mgm" under the bus....

he didn't walk it back, he said it with certainty.
then when wallace pressed him he said "i'm not sure" but
was obviously only cooperating and not to cause undue visibillity,
- then he actually went harder and said he had access to "the back of the house".
he is leaking intentionally. he is giving them heads up that don't try this
crap in my hotels.

[Auto Donk]

"im not sure" when pressed = walking it back/not throwing mgm "friends" under the bus

[Snowball]

"im not sure" when pressed = walking it back/not throwing mgm "friends" under the bus

watch again - because when he says back of the house that is service elevator.
it was after "i'm not sure" which is only "i don't want to be harrassed further on this"
because he can't provide proof, that proof is in FBI hands.. i'm dun.

[brainfreeze]

Yeah, I'm sure he was using a shotgun from the 32nd floor over 1000 feet away.

I'm making a generalization .. I'm not saying he had any shotguns up there. I'm saying different bullets, guns, and barrels from different windows ... are going to sound different from underneath, all I'm saying.

[Fidel_CashFlow]

[The Kraken]

Snowball figured it out

Amazing stuff.

They recently interviewed some past victims of mass shootings and nearly all of them said the exact same thing “There were multiple shooters”

Apparently the CIA, NSA and likely Delta Force have an American soil kill squad.

[Auto Donk]

dumbasses heard bullets hitting shit coming near them and thought it was gunfire coming from a "closer" position.....

all this human testimony is as valuable as knowing how to dance like this:




well, maybe not THAT valuable, but you get the point.....

[BigDofBA]

dumbasses heard bullets hitting shit coming near them and thought it was gunfire coming from a "closer" position.....

all this human testimony is as valuable as knowing how to dance like this:




well, maybe not THAT valuable, but you get the point.....

Yep

And shooting was coming from the bottom of the hotel....yet it didn’t break windows.

A lot of this story doesn’t make sense but these theories I’ve seen are Bs.

[The Kraken]

That fukking amoeba that is the LAs Vegas sheriff is now saying the security guy are was shot 6 minutes before the real shooting began, and that Paddock checked in 3 days earlier

The MGM actually came out and countered him by saying “this is an ogling investigation with a lot of moving parts, and while we cannot discuss the case, we do not agree with the latest version the sheriff came forth with”.



I’m gonna go ahead and pick sides here, I’m team MGM. That sheriff has proven multiple times he’s a single called organism and that cell is his mouth

Pity when the fukking police are the ones running their moth and making muddy water murkier

[Snowball]

That fukking amoeba that is the LAs Vegas sheriff is now saying the security guy are was shot 6 minutes before the real shooting began, and that Paddock checked in 3 days earlier

They will change the official presentation of events to adapt to some of the truth getting out,
but not much, just enough for the casually curious to dismiss some things. For example, when
the guy next door to Paddock, Brian Hodge, the Australian, said he saw multiple shooters and a
dead security guard, and there really IS a dead security guard, they will tell the public that Paddock
shot the security guard, despite the fact that his hotel room door was locked shut.
They can manipulate everything in the days afterward, edit film, create false photos, add testimony,
fabricate evidence, whatever it takes, and of course the mainstream media will never hold them accountable.

Another serious problem they do now is crowd out the real, legitimate alternative media
and truthers with fake truthers, comedians and distraction teachniques, down false roads,
this is especially happening in social media where is has become very difficult to discern real truthers
from fake ones. The fake ones are promoted now by the CIA who has its fingers in media manipulation,
now the user-submitted areas. Google (You Tube), Facebook, etc. have been NSA operations since
their startup phase, which is why they became the defacto platforms.

[Auto Donk]

brian hodge hid in the bushes outside mb during the whole event, didn't see shit....

[Snowball]

brian hodge hid in the bushes outside mb during the whole event, didn't see shit....

We really don't know. In most cases it is better to trust the first reports, if they are legitimate..

“There were multiple people dead and multiple shooters. I was just hiding waiting for police to come get us. I got outside safely and was hiding in bushes,” Brian Hodge told Australia’s Courier-Mail.
Mr. Hodge, who was staying in room 32134, next door to Stephen Paddock in room 32135, also provided important information when he revealed that a security guard was killed by police.
“My floor is a crime scene. They killed a security guard on my floor.”

http://rowdyconservative.com/hotel-guest-next-door-las-vegas-shooter-saw-multiple-gunmen/

There are many more reports of this which occurred a long time ago, the first report was in an Australian
website which makes sense since Hodge is an Australian. So which is it ? I don't know. It's actually not
among the most revealing facts in the event, anyway, it's just another example of how the FBI can change
whatever story they want.. btw.. Christopher Wray has law firm and college connections to the power structure, big time, so he will cover this up with no problem, and Trump has other things on his mind, they are keeping Trump occupied with so much b.s. - and real problems - unfortunately, the President cares too much about his image and may be compromised himself.

The fact that it took 10 days for the officials to talk about the security guard is
an immense TELL of deceit.

[Auto Donk]

funny, not one person has picked up a shell casing from the concert arena area... not even one spent shell casing from all of this "on the ground fire"......

amazing.......

[Snowball]

A maintenance worker said Wednesday he told hotel dispatchers to call police and report a gunman had opened fire with a rifle inside Mandalay Bay before the shooter began firing from his high-rise suite into a crowd at a nearby musical performance.

The revised timeline has renewed questions about whether better communication might have allowed police to respond more quickly and take out the gunman before he committed the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.

Worker Stephen Schuck told NBC News that he was checking out a report of a jammed fire door on the 32nd floor of Mandalay Bay when he heard gunshots and a hotel security guard, who had been shot in the leg, peaked out from an alcove and told him to take cover.

"As soon as I started to go to a door to my left the rounds started coming down the hallway," Schuck said. "I could feel them pass right behind my head.

"It was kind of relentless so I called over the radio what was going on," he said. "As soon as the shooting stopped we made our way down the hallway and took cover again and then the shooting started again."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hotel-questions-revised-timeline-las-vegas-massacre-073050283.html

oh yeah, they took out "the gunman" alright...

[Snowball]

More - Valet said Paddock had no bags - interview took place October 3
before the FBI got to him. It was on the KITV website until it was PULLED

but there IS a web archive.

"Just in shock, really. It's scary to know that I was close to someone that was that dangerous. I would've never thought. He seemed like a normal guy. When he came in, nothing too weird about him. He didn't have any crazy bags with him that I can remember. We are a convention hotel so we have a bunch of people that have boxes and multiple carts worth of stuff. There's nothing weird that I can remember," Nishimura said.
Nishimura and hundreds of employees at Mandalay Bay are cooperating with FBI agents as investigations continue.

https://web.archive.org/web/20171003084931/http://www.kitv.com/story/36505487/hawaii-native-parked-shooters-car

[Snowball]

Paddock's home broken into despite intense FBI and police

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/11/las-vegas-shooters-home-broken-into-despite-intense-fbi-police-interest.html

unreal all this

[KVB]

More - Valet said Paddock had no bags - interview took place October 3
before the FBI got to him. It was on the KITV website until it was PULLED

but there IS a web archive.

"Just in shock, really. It's scary to know that I was close to someone that was that dangerous. I would've never thought. He seemed like a normal guy. When he came in, nothing too weird about him. He didn't have any crazy bags with him that I can remember. We are a convention hotel so we have a bunch of people that have boxes and multiple carts worth of stuff. There's nothing weird that I can remember," Nishimura said...

The valet didn't see any "crazy bags" that he can remember but acknowledges that he may have had multiple carts worth of stuff, even boxes, since that is normal.

That's what that quote says.

The valet did not say the Paddock had no bags, at least not in that quote. In fact, he's acknowledging it could be quite the opposite.

Weak.

[Snowball]

he said "didn't have any crazy bags" meaning enough to carry weapons
KVB there is much in this thread and way more out there you cannot debunk.
i am sick of posting any of it.

[Auto Donk]

More - Valet said Paddock had no bags - interview took place October 3
before the FBI got to him. It was on the KITV website until it was PULLED

but there IS a web archive.

"Just in shock, really. It's scary to know that I was close to someone that was that dangerous. I would've never thought. He seemed like a normal guy. When he came in, nothing too weird about him. He didn't have any crazy bags with him that I can remember. We are a convention hotel so we have a bunch of people that have boxes and multiple carts worth of stuff. There's nothing weird that I can remember," Nishimura said.
Nishimura and hundreds of employees at Mandalay Bay are cooperating with FBI agents as investigations continue.
https://web.archive.org/web/20171003...d-shooters-car

Usually, i don't pull my car around to valet until AFTER i've used the casino service elevator to carry up my 12 suitcases full of sexual equipment for mine and the missus' stay.....

so, despite the sounds of braying donkies and wailing goats coming from my room, the valet would similarly report we had no bags....

[Auto Donk]

More - Valet said Paddock had no bags - interview took place October 3
before the FBI got to him. It was on the KITV website until it was PULLED

but there IS a web archive.

"Just in shock, really. It's scary to know that I was close to someone that was that dangerous. I would've never thought. He seemed like a normal guy. When he came in, nothing too weird about him. He didn't have any crazy bags with him that I can remember. We are a convention hotel so we have a bunch of people that have boxes and multiple carts worth of stuff. There's nothing weird that I can remember," Nishimura said.
Nishimura and hundreds of employees at Mandalay Bay are cooperating with FBI agents as investigations continue.
https://web.archive.org/web/20171003...d-shooters-car

don't most of these fukkers (excepting adam lanza) look like "normal guys"....?

what the fuk are the expecting, f'n marilyn mason or richard fukkin' simmons?

[KVB]

I'm not trying to debunk anything, it's really more about critical thinking.

[Auto Donk]

More - Valet said Paddock had no bags - interview took place October 3
before the FBI got to him. It was on the KITV website until it was PULLED

but there IS a web archive.

"Just in shock, really. It's scary to know that I was close to someone that was that dangerous. I would've never thought. He seemed like a normal guy. When he came in, nothing too weird about him. He didn't have any crazy bags with him that I can remember. We are a convention hotel so we have a bunch of people that have boxes and multiple carts worth of stuff. There's nothing weird that I can remember," Nishimura said.
Nishimura and hundreds of employees at Mandalay Bay are cooperating with FBI agents as investigations continue.
https://web.archive.org/web/20171003...d-shooters-car

"crazy bags" in vegas generally means those humming due to a vibrator being clicked on while they toss the bags around, or liquid ky streaming out of a corner, or straight up corn syrup oozing everywhere, again due to rough handling of said bags.... or a blow up doll popping, perhaps givin' a quick scare of a solitary gunshot....

[Auto Donk]

A maintenance worker said Wednesday he told hotel dispatchers to call police and report a gunman had opened fire with a rifle inside Mandalay Bay before the shooter began firing from his high-rise suite into a crowd at a nearby musical performance.
s://www.yahoo.com/news/hotel-questions-revised-timeline-las-vegas-massacre-073050283.html..

hopefully he shot up a bank of those lame-ass new bally's quick hit machines.... those fukkers never pay worth a damn.....

if i ever was to snap at a casino, rest assured I wouldn't shoot any patrons, but only the f'n new electronic slot machines that you can't short-stop to win on.....

[Snowball]

I'm not trying to debunk anything, it's really more about critical thinking.

The only reason I don't feel comfortable writing about all this stuff
is that they are out there.. and will kill again, and are getting away with it,
and indeed have been getting away with it for a very long time.

[Snowball]

https://worldtruth.tv/las-vegas-shoo...rs-found-dead/

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=kymberley+suchomel&t=ffsb&ia=web




Eyewitness at Las Vegas shooting who went public with multiple shooters found dead

at 28 years old in her home.
“Bullets were coming from every direction. Behind us, in front of us, to the side of us. But I know, I just know, that there was someone chasing us. The entire time I felt this way. The farther we got from the venue, the closer the gunfire got. I kept looking back expecting to see the gunmen- and I say MEN because there was more than one person. There was more than one gun firing. 100% more than one.
As we were running, we kept changing direction, because it felt like no matter what direction we took, we were being followed.”
https://www.inquisitr.com/4553338/la...-unexpectedly/

Facebook pulled her post, the local paper makes no mention of her claims, R.I.P.

"security guard" Campos, who was scheduled to appear on Hannity, canceled.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/13/las-vegas-security-guard-jesus-campos-disappears-moments-before-tv-interviews.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fnational+%28Internal+-+US+Latest+-+Text%29

[Auto Donk]

"Eyewitness at Las Vegas shooting who went public with multiple shooters found dead

at 28 years old in her home.
“Bullets were coming from every direction. Behind us, in front of us, to the side of us. But I know, I just know, that there was someone chasing us. The entire time I felt this way. The farther we got from the venue, the closer the gunfire got. I kept looking back expecting to see the gunmen- and I say MEN because there was more than one person. There was more than one gun firing. 100% more than one.
As we were running, we kept changing direction, because it felt like no matter what direction we took, we were being followed.”
https://www.inquisitr.com/4553338/la...-unexpectedly/"



i once had a client who was similarly certain she was being followed.....

smoking cocaine will do that to a person, whether she's coming to DonkLand for some "d" or going to a Jason Aldean concert.....


these "ground level" shooter claims would perhaps carry a bit more weight if even ONE of the 22,000 people present had picked up even a single f'n shell casing from these alleged ground level shooters.....

but no one did, or has come up with one..... not even one.....

no hero of the thousands present at the concert tackled a gun man in or around the venue..... not one....

[Snowball]

R.I.P.

[TheMoneyShot]

I was hoping for some sort of video leak of a shooter on ground level.... but so far... nothing close.

Someone posted a video about someone who looks like they are holding a gun.... but it appears to be a security guard.

Losing hope on this ground level shooting angle.

[El Nino]

You guys are funny.

[recon1]

Exclusive footage PROVING at least a SECOND shooter was involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n6scI-nzys