Mother And Son Willing To Face Jail Over Their Incestuous Love

[grease lightnin]

Right. It is insane to do so. If you don't really care then just STFU then.

I really don't see the difference, though. Get off your gay, moral high horse.

[unde0087]

Wow, that is one lucky kid, looks like he got himself one hot piece of ace there or is it a man? I can't tell.

[innovation]

So anyone who wants gays to have equal rights is gay themselves??? More 1800's thinking. How dumb can you be. Missionaries don't push their views on people??? All i know is that no gay person has ever come to my door trying to recruit me. Can't say the same thing about christian groups. You scare me.

No....not all suporters are gay. I would say people who lack Accountabilty that support gays and anything having to do with consequences. Draw a line in the sand and stand for something. You will be better for it. I dont expect me or you to shift our positions just because it's the popular and socially acceptable new trend. I am not offended that people choose to be gay. I'm not intolerant to have them have equal rights as far as their actions merit the reward.

What equal rights have christians taken from you or any religious group? You want to rewrite the constitution and foundation of what use to be a great counrty.

What will happen after one generation gays will be one and done? Where is the future in that?

People that I know who go door to door for religious beliefs do it out of a labor of love and not for any agenda. tbh....they are the ones when you break down on the side of the road stop to help. They actually care about their fellow man.

See, you say we are intolerant and in almost every thread, you resort to name calling.....crazy....coo, coo, idiot, how dumb can I be.....

I really don't care. It just shows deep down inside you know because you are the seed of God you are wrong.

accounatbilty....it's a tough pill to swallow, believe me nobody including myself wants to be wrong or suffer for my foolish actions. The truth is we don't get to escape Accountabilty.

[maggiethebestdog]

I really don't see the difference, though. Get off your gay, moral high horse.

I know you don't see the difference. You are an idiot. Sticking up for gay people makes me gay and on a high horse. Classic retard.

[maggiethebestdog]

No....not all suporters are gay. I would say people who lack Accountabilty that support gays and anything having to do with consequences. Draw a line in the aand and stand for something. You will be better for it. I dont expect me or you to shift out positions just because it's the popular and socially acceptable new trend. I am not offended that people choose to be gay. I'm not intolerant to have them have equal rights as far as their actions merit the reward.

What equal rights have christians takenfrom you or any religious group? You want to rewrite the constitution and foundation of what use to be a great counrty.

What will happen after one generation gays will be one and done? Where is the future in that?

People that I know who go door to door for religious beliefs do it out of a labor of love and not for any agenda. tbh....they are the ones when you break down on the side of the road stop to help. They actually care about their fellow man.

See, you say we are intolerant and in almost every thread, you resort to name calling.....crazy....coo, coo, idiot, how dumb can I be.....

I really don't care. It just shows deep down inside you know because you are the seed of God you are wrong.

accounatbilty....it's a tough pill to swallow, believe me nobody including myself wants to be wrong or suffer for my foolish actions. The truth is we don't get to escape Accountabilty.

Gay people can adopt kids that are taken out of heterosexual homes because it isn't safe to live there. Trust me, that is an endless supply. It's funny you think you have the constitution on your side. More ignorance. The founding fathers warned about the reach of organized religion. That is one of the reasons they fought. They were deists. Did you go to elementary school????

[grease lightnin]

I know you don't see the difference. You are an idiot. Sticking up for gay people makes me gay and on a high horse. Classic retard.

Ah. Maybe I read it wrong. You're not gay, then?

[maggiethebestdog]

Ah. Maybe I read it wrong. You're not gay, then?

Nope. Not surprised you have no reading comprehension.

[grease lightnin]

Nope. Not surprised you have no reading comprehension.

Sorry I upset you.

[tony_come]

This shit is crazy!

[maggiethebestdog]

Sorry I upset you.

Ignorance can be upsetting sometimes.

[packerd_00]

Maggie your getting alittle overly defensive for a guy that makes out he's so progressive.Come clean,no one here gives a shit.

[innovation]

Gay people can adopt kids that are taken out of heterosexual homes because it isn't safe to live there. Trust me, that is an endless supply. It's funny you think you have the constitution on your side. More ignorance. The founding fathers warned about the reach of organized religion. That is one of the reasons they fought. They were deists. Did you go to elementary school????

Look at the symbols plastered all over our money, historic buildings and monuments that were instituted when this country was founded and tell me it's wasn't founded on God. It's eveywhere. You can't go a floor in the Washington monument without seeing symbols of God. Yes there was opposition back then and that's the beauty of Ameirca....freedom of choice.

if I went to elementary nowadays I'm sure that's what they are teaching. That God had no part in the beliefs of our forefathers. I mean it's the popular politically correct stance. We can't stand for anything....you might offend someone, so instead just align yourself with the ever shifting popular views of your society at any given time.

In the end we can discuss until we are blue in the face. I will give you merit for choosing a side and I have mine. That's just the way it is.

[maggiethebestdog]

Look at the symbols plastered all over our money, historic buildings and monuments that were instituted when this country was founded and tell me it's wasn't founded on God. It's eveywhere. You can't go a floor in the Washington monument without seeing symbols of God. Yes there was opposition back then and that's the beauty of Ameirca....freedom of choice.

if I went to elementary nowadays I'm sure that's what they are teaching. That God had no part in the beliefs of our forefathers. I mean it's the popular politically correct stance. We can't stand for anything....you might offend someone, so instead just align yourself with the ever shifting popular views of your society at any given time.

In the end we can discuss until we are blue in the face. I will give you merit for choosing a side and I have mine. That's just the way it is.

Is there any subject you actually know the truth about??? We can cross off religion, discrimination and US History off the list.

[Optional]

Look at the symbols plastered all over our money, historic buildings and monuments that were instituted when this country was founded and tell me it's wasn't founded on God. It's eveywhere.

Does that make it right? Or smart?

Separation of church and state is a very sensible thing and USA has flown way too close to the line in the past. Don't be calling for a return to more of it if you love your country. It's not a good thing whether you are christian or not.

[grease lightnin]

Ignorance can be upsetting sometimes.

To be fair, the only thing I said is that homosexuality and incest amongst consenting adults have no difference in moral terms. And the fact that you found this reprehensible is telling. Either you are gay, or someone really close to you is gay. Otherwise you wouldn't have an issue reconciling with this idea.

And for the record, I tried to be nice, but you can go fukk yourself.

[Optional]

To be fair, the only thing I said is that homosexuality and incest amongst consenting adults have no difference in moral terms. And the fact that you found this reprehensible is telling. Either you are gay, or someone really close to you is gay. Otherwise you wouldn't have an issue reconciling with this idea.

And for the record, I tried to be nice, but you can go fukk yourself.

In who's moral terms? One is against the law and the other isn't.

You sound like a scared homophobe trying to equate the two.

[innovation]

Does that make it right? Or smart?

Separation of church and state is a very sensible thing and USA has flown way too close to the line in the past. Don't be calling for a return to more of it if you love your country. It's not a good thing whether you are christian or not.

optional.... I agree and I'm fine with a healthy seperation. It has to be that way or we know throughout history what happens if things are imposed. My point is that to be delusional and say that our founding fathers had nothing to do with God is not true. Regardless how upsetting it is to ones beliefs you have to state that the prevailing thought was to allow freedoms of all kind, speech, religion, words, arms. That is what made America unique and imo prosper.

As as far as his point of discrimination is concerned. The mormons were cast out and pushed away from state to state by this so loving countries right to religion. They were forced to leave all thier possessions and move constantly. Once they settled in Missouri and the "Boggs militia" deemed them an enemy of the state. A actual law was passed to exterminate them and you could actually murder a Mormon and it was legal. In fact from 1830 that never was removed off the books until 1976. They faced death or imprisoment because of lack of tolerance and understanding. They were forced to walk to Utah though the winter conditions and many children and women parished from exposure and the lack of time to plan such a journey in wagons and hand carts. Even after settling in SLC they worse forced to bury thier temple and be taxed and persecuted beyond normal citizens for years.

yet the gays are the only ones who are discriminated against and persecuted?

please they just make the most noise...you can find all kinds of people who have been severely persecuted over and over.

it all comes down to knowledge and undertanding. I challenge anyone to find a normal Mormom family that practices the values they are taught and actually tell me they can't see a the good in raising a family with morality and integrity. I mean actually learning about them. Not just what you heard or what someone else told you about them. They are the most genuine people you will meet....just like I am sure their are gays and other religious and even non religious groups who are the same

I am sure me sticking up for the way I was raised is very unpopular amongst many on this site and in America to be honest. It doesn't change my views or make me want go shove shit down someone's throats because my ancestors were so persecuted. Most religious people I know stick to themselves and don't care to impose thier beliefs on the majority when they are the minority.

its good to hear about things from a different view and see the reasoning of differnt people's backgrounds as long as they don't pretend to rewrite history.

i just feel sometimes the gays think it's all about them....and it gets to be an old hat because life is a biatch to everyone.

[pavyracer]

Love is blind. Let the lovebirds fukk.

[grease lightnin]

In who's moral terms? One is against the law and the other isn't.

You sound like a scared homophobe trying to equate the two.

Sodomy was once illegal, and still is, in many places.

I understand the prevailing wisdom is that being gay is morally ok and being into incest isn't.... but really, if no victims can come of it, and the incest is between two consenting adults... what is the difference?

You can take all the reasons gays have given over the years as to why they should be given equal rights, and plug in "incest". It makes no difference.

"Because incest is illegal and being gay isn't" ain't good enough because being gay was against the law at one time.

I am not a homophobe, I am just on the outside of both issues looking in and I see no difference

[Bostongambler]

Man should be with a woman.
Man should not be with family member.


Do we really need rules for this? Seems quite simple.

[maggiethebestdog]

Sodomy was once illegal, and still is, in many places.

I understand the prevailing wisdom is that being gay is morally ok and being into incest isn't.... but really, if no victims can come of it, and the incest is between two consenting adults... what is the difference?

You can take all the reasons gays have given over the years as to why they should be given equal rights, and plug in "incest". It makes no difference.

"Because incest is illegal and being gay isn't" ain't good enough because being gay was against the law at one time.

I am not a homophobe, I am just on the outside of both issues looking in and I see no difference

You are definitely on the outside looking in at sanity. I agree. You are certainly known as a nice guy on here. You don't know any gay people??? Maybe you are too dumb to see that as well.

[ACoochy]

Even so, it still shows your bigotry.

Yeah its illegal Numbnuts....

[ACoochy]

He's the biggest nut bag on SBR
He gets laughed off these boards daily, yet still posts.

Trumptard accusing others of being laughed at

[maggiethebestdog]

optional.... I agree and I'm fine with a healthy seperation. It has to be that way or we know throughout history what happens if things are imposed. My point is that to be delusional and say that our founding fathers had nothing to do with God is not true. Regardless how upsetting it is to ones beliefs you have to state that the prevailing thought was to allow freedoms of all kind, speech, religion, words, arms. That is what made America unique and imo prosper.

As as far as his point of discrimination is concerned. The mormons were cast out and pushed away from state to state by this so loving countries right to religion. They were forced to leave all thier possessions and move constantly. Once they settled in Missouri and the "Boggs militia" deemed them an enemy of the state. A actual law was passed to exterminate them and you could actually murder a Mormon and it was legal. In fact from 1830 that never was removed off the books until 1976. They faced death or imprisoment because of lack of tolerance and understanding. They were forced to walk to Utah though the winter conditions and many children and women parished from exposure and the lack of time to plan such a journey in wagons and hand carts. Even after settling in SLC they worse forced to bury thier temple and be taxed and persecuted beyond normal citizens for years.

yet the gays are the only ones who are discriminated against and persecuted?

please they just make the most noise...you can find all kinds of people who have been severely persecuted over and over.

it all comes down to knowledge and undertanding. I challenge anyone to find a normal Mormom family that practices the values they are taught and actually tell me they can't see a the good in raising a family with morality and integrity. I mean actually learning about them. Not just what you heard or what someone else told you about them. They are the most genuine people you will meet....just like I am sure their are gays and other religious and even non religious groups who are the same

I am sure me sticking up for the way I was raised is very unpopular amongst many on this site and in America to be honest. It doesn't change my views or make me want go shove shit down someone's throats because my ancestors were so persecuted. Most religious people I know stick to themselves and don't care to impose thier beliefs on the majority when they are the minority.

its good to hear about things from a different view and see the reasoning of differnt people's backgrounds as long as they don't pretend to rewrite history.

i just feel sometimes the gays think it's all about them....and it gets to be an old hat because life is a biatch to everyone.

One last reality check for you. Despite the nonsense you have been brainwashed with, gay people are born that way. Nobody should be discriminated for that. That is like heteros being discriminated against. Sexual preference is in our DNA. People choose insane religions to follow. Remember who discriminates against everyone. All religious people. That is what happens when ignorant people think they have a monopoly on crazy. If the loony toons have in fighting that is their problem. Ignorance comes with a price. Now is when the uneducated cave men tell me being gay is a choice. Just more fiction. If we believe in falsehoods we are condemned to commit atrocities. I see you are ignorant of that history as well.

[ACoochy]

One last reality check for you. Despite the nonsense you have been brainwashed with, gay people are born that way. Nobody should be discriminated for that. That is like heteros being discriminated against. Sexual preference is in our DNA. People choose insane religions to follow. Remember who discriminates against everyone. All religious people. That is what happens when ignorant people think they have a monopoly on crazy. If the loony toons have in fighting that is their problem. Ignorance comes with a price. Now is when the uneducated cave men tell me being gay is a choice. Just more fiction. If we believe in falsehoods we are condemned to commit atrocities. I see you are ignorant of that history as well.

This

Science has proven this neurologically but to a crazy science is the work of the devil...

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

Obama is to blame.

[grease lightnin]

You are definitely on the outside looking in at sanity. I agree. You are certainly known as a nice guy on here. You don't know any gay people??? Maybe you are too dumb to see that as well.

Yes I know gay people. And yes, I think they should be free to do whatever they want in the privacy of their home.

But if I believe that, I have to believe that if two relatives want to bang one another, and nobody is getting hurt, they should be free to do that.

It is taboo, but hey, so was homosexuality. See what I am sayin?

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

Hilary is to blame

[pavyracer]

There are states that cousins can get married and kids under 16.

[maggiethebestdog]

This

Science has proven this neurologically but to a crazy science is the work of the devil...

They only believe in Science when it helps their lives. Otherwise they would still be living in a cave like where their mentality is.
They even cherry pick their own fairytales. They are commanded in the bible to kill anyone working on Sunday, but most of them have worked on Sunday. That part is not taken literally but others are. There are 2 brutal verses in the bible about homosexuality. There are 72 verses about the evils of premarital sex. God liked homosexuality compared to premarital sex. But over 70% of those that supposedly live by the bible have had premarital sex. No discrimination about that though. All religion is hypocrisy, cherry picking, judgement and total ignorance. Without science they wouldn't be alive. They are just too dumb to know it.

[packerd_00]

There are states that cousins can get married and kids under 16.

Where West Virginia

[ACoochy]

Yes I know gay people. And yes, I think they should be free to do whatever they want in the privacy of their home.

But if I believe that, I have to believe that if two relatives want to bang one another, and nobody is getting hurt, they should be free to do that.

It is taboo, but hey, so was homosexuality. See what I am sayin?

Its not that so much as it is the mutations and much higher risk of diseases that occur as a result of cross contaminatinget genes...

[grease lightnin]

Its not that so much as it is the mutations and much higher risk of diseases that occur as a result of cross contaminatinget genes...

Yes, coochy, but you must understand that when I say "nobody is getting hurt", this means one party in the hetero incest has been fixed (vasectomy or tubes tied), or we are talking gay incest, where procreation is not possible.

[ACoochy]

Yes, coochy, but you must understand that when I say "nobody is getting hurt", this means one party in the hetero incest has been fixed (vasectomy or tubes tied), or we are talking gay incest, where procreation is not possible.

Got ya

[maggiethebestdog]

Got ya

Really???