Mother And Son Willing To Face Jail Over Their Incestuous Love

[unde0087]

Hillary voters.

[Optional]

Nothing right now, but there was no real movement for gay marriage 25 years ago. Recent history has shown that once one movement is done, society is moving to the next one. Just a matter of time.

Yeah, it's weird how society adapts and changes things that are wrong eh!

You'd think everyone would agree that we should keep everything just as it always has been. Ya know, so us old folk don't get too startled by the young-uns and their new fangled ideas.

[packerd_00]

Are you going to deny them the right to have a child?

If not, their future retarded child and the human gene pool.

Shades of the Peacock family from the X-Files.

[maggiethebestdog]

Are you going to deny them the right to have a child?

If not, their future retarded child and the human gene pool.

It didn't stop your parents from having you.

[unde0087]

Obama will have them over to the Whitehouse to give them the congressional medals of honor after announcing them to be heroes in the near future

[packerd_00]

Yeah, it's weird how society adapts and changes things that are wrong eh!

You'd think everyone would agree that we should keep everything just as it always has been. Ya know, so us old folk don't get too startled by the young-uns and their new fangled ideas.

Whats going to change them from changing the age of consent from 12 to 10,gives Islam and other pedos a good excuse eh.

[maggiethebestdog]

Whats going to change them from changing the age of consent from 12 to 10,gives Islam a good excuse eh.

If that post was in English, so i knew what it meant, i would disagree with it. Your fantasy of other men is normal. Kids, not so much.

[Optional]

Whats going to change them from changing the age of consent from 12 to 10,gives Islam and other pedos a good excuse eh.

Same thing that will stop "them" declaring first born children should be sacrificed. Public standards.

And if public standards ever change to the point rooting at 12 is considered fine, whats that got to do with how you feel right now today anyway?

"thin edge of the wedge" is a fear concept built up by old establishment when they have run out of arguments. Standards and opinions change. Deal with it!

[trobin31]

Sigmund Freud would be proud

[packerd_00]

If that was post was in English so i knew what it meant, i would disagree with it. Your fantasy of other men is normal. Kids, not so much.

Right back at you twat,know beat it,go make yourself useful,and take a hot bath with your hair dryer.

[maggiethebestdog]

Right back at you twat,know beat it,go make yourself useful,and take a hot bath with your hair dryer.

Another intelligent post. Go take a bath with another man. You know you want to. It's perfectly normal.

[Mr KLC]

Same thing that will stop "them" declaring first born children should be sacrificed. Public standards.

And if public standards ever change to the point rooting at 12 is considered fine, whats that got to do with how you feel right now today anyway?

"thin edge of the wedge" is a fear concept built up by old establishment when they have run out of arguments. Standards and opinions change. Deal with it!

The thing is, which standard are you going to cling to? The one that is held today, or the one society is pressuring to follow in the future?

[packerd_00]

Same thing that will stop "them" declaring first born children should be sacrificed. Public standards.

And if public standards ever change to the point rooting at 12 is considered fine, whats that got to do with how you feel right now today anyway?

"thin edge of the wedge" is a fear concept built up by old establishment when they have run out of arguments. Standards and opinions change. Deal with it!

12 years old should qualify then,surely.

[maggiethebestdog]

The thing is, which standard are you going to cling to? The one that is held today, or the one society is pressuring to follow in the future?

Let's see...
Is society pressuring people to accept pedophilia??? Nope.
How bout lowering the age of consent??? Nope.
Incest??? Nope.
Bestiality??? Nope.
Forcing people to be gay??? Nope.

The only people talking about this stuff is people like you. It's because you secretly desire those things. There is no other explanation for it.

[maggiethebestdog]

12 years old should qualify then,surely.

Other than in your delusional world, who is calling for that??? Nobody. WTF are you talking about????

[packerd_00]

The thing is, which standard are you going to cling to? The one that is held today, or the one society is pressuring to follow in the future?

I would imagine people probably thought Transexuals would never be excepted in society at one point in time.

[maggiethebestdog]

I would imagine people probably thought Transexuals would never be excepted in society at one point in time.

Oh, that is another fantasy that you guys have deep down we have not discussed. Good job opening up about your feelings.

[packerd_00]

Maggie don't you have a date with a hair dryer,go away.

[sweethook]

hell we all kin

[Optional]

The thing is, which standard are you going to cling to? The one that is held today, or the one society is pressuring to follow in the future?

If pressure does exist for change, it is just people exercising their freedom to choose. Even the 2% of muslims you have there have that right. But I dont think you need to fear that number over-riding the current public standards with their wishes. It's just bloody 2% of people. They will have to convince a big proportion of others to agree first. And guess what? If they can do that there is a good chance they have got it right. (not that I think a Muslim takeover is even a remote possibility in America)

And honestly, in a country where the age of consent is 18 or 21 or whatever it is over there, I'd be surprised if there was not some public pressure to lower it. It's out of kilter with normal Western standards. I think it's higher than anywhere else in the world.

12 years old should qualify then,surely.

I don't agree. Why do you think we should be allowed to root 12 year olds? Whats the logical case for it?

If there isnt one it aint going to happen.

[maggiethebestdog]

Maggie don't you have a date with a hair dryer,go away.

I am trying to help you work out all your sexual frustrations. Just admit them already. They are painfully obvious to everyone else.

[Optional]

I would imagine people probably thought Transexuals would never be excepted in society at one point in time.

Well they aren't really accepted as yet... but that is an excellent example.

Public standards have changed since 30 years ago. This is what the public wants to happen.

I'm over 50, I get how KLC feels, but it doesn't make it a big deal. Just because us older white males don't likechange.

[packerd_00]

I don't agree. Why do you think we should be allowed to root 12 year olds? Whats the logical case for it?

If there isnt one it aint going to happen.

12 is far to young in my opinion,and like I said before,who's to say one day, if this law gets through they wont lower it more. We don't know.

[Mr KLC]

Let's see...
Is society pressuring people to accept pedophilia??? Nope.
How bout lowering the age of consent??? Nope.
Incest??? Nope.
Bestiality??? Nope.
Forcing people to be gay??? Nope.

The only people talking about this stuff is people like you. It's because you secretly desire those things. There is no other explanation for it.

Happily married for 25 years to Mrs. KLC and have 3 wonderful children, but I secretly desire to do it with my 8 year old cat. I'm getting the vibe that you are a younger guy that has not been around too long yet, so let me delve a little deeper. I'm not going into an argument of right and wrong. I'm trying to explain that things evolve. Presidents continued to be against abortion, even when it was legal until Clinton came along. Saw an episode of Archie Bunker's Place the other day where everyone stared at Archie and his black housekeeper because they thought they were a couple, and mixed marriages were a thorn to society then. People made a big deal of Reagan being the first divorcee to become president. Before that, people made a big deal of Kennedy being a Catholic. "don't ask, don't tell" was seen as a major win for homosexuals in 1994, now it's seen as bigoted.

Things evolve. You can say all you want to that the items you listed are just old folks fear mongering or secretly desiring these things, but what are you going to think when society makes that next step of evolving, and finds it acceptable. When I was a teenager in the 80's, everyone would laugh at the idea of gays getting married. We couldn't even imagine that guys using a girl's bathroom would be an issue. 30 years later, here we are. The question I'm bringing up is will someone stand true to their beliefs now, or will they keep on evolving with what society is doing?

[packerd_00]

Well they aren't really accepted as yet... but that is an excellent example.

Public standards have changed since 30 years ago. This is what the public wants to happen.

I'm over 50, I get how KLC feels, but it doesn't make it a big deal. Just because us older white males don't likechange.

Public standards haven't changed that much to be honest mate,most ordinary people haven't changed their attitudes,I know working with a lot of people. If a Transexual was at your work,do you reckon a lot of the guys wouldn't find it out of place,ofcourse they would.

[maggiethebestdog]

Happily married for 25 years to Mrs. KLC and have 3 wonderful children, but I secretly desire to do it with my 8 year old cat. I'm getting the vibe that you are a younger guy that has not been around too long yet, so let me delve a little deeper. I'm not going into an argument of right and wrong. I'm trying to explain that things evolve. Presidents continued to be against abortion, even when it was legal until Clinton came along. Saw an episode of Archie Bunker's Place the other day where everyone stared at Archie and his black housekeeper because they thought they were a couple, and mixed marriages were a thorn to society then. People made a big deal of Reagan being the first divorcee to become president. Before that, people made a big deal of Kennedy being a Catholic. "don't ask, don't tell" was seen as a major win for homosexuals in 1994, now it's seen as bigoted.

Things evolve. You can say all you want to that the items you listed are just old folks fear mongering or secretly desiring these things, but what are you going to think when society makes that next step of evolving, and finds it acceptable. When I was a teenager in the 80's, everyone would laugh at the idea of gays getting married. We couldn't even imagine that guys using a girl's bathroom would be an issue. 30 years later, here we are. The question I'm bringing up is will someone stand true to their beliefs now, or will they keep on evolving with what society is doing?

Not young. Thanks for the delusional trip down memory lane. Fixing wrongs of the past is a good thing. You keep saying society is pressuring people to go down the wrong road. Some fringe groups are to no avail. I just want to see human beings who are not victimizing others to have equal rights and not be hurt. Is that asking too much????

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Public standards haven't changed that much to be honest mate,most ordinary people haven't changed their attitudes,I know working with a lot of people. If a Transexual was at your work,do you reckon a lot of the guys wouldn't find it out of place,ofcourse they would.

I think they have changed a lot. It's just you (and me to an extent) who haven't changed our opinion. Evidence is the actual changes we see. It's not just a media conspiracy that cause these changes. Real people drive and accept those opinions. It just seems like more people disagree because it's only those that disagree we hear complaining about changes.

Have you ever been in a room with someone who is making racist or bigoted comments to a group of people blissfully ignorant that everyone does not think the same way?

And they will probably never will be convinced they are out of step because the majority of people dont even care enough to argue the point, as they know the argument is already over anyway.

[Mr KLC]

Not young. Thanks for the delusional trip down memory lane. Fixing wrongs of the past is a good thing. You keep saying society is pressuring people to go down the wrong road. Some fringe groups are to no avail. I just want to see human beings who are not victimizing others to have equal rights and not be hurt. Is that asking too much????

I never said "wrong road". Ever. In the same breath, who dictates that something is wrong? Hypothetically speaking, if they were to legalize incest down the line, would you then say that it was wrong to "victimizing others" of their equal rights? Aren't they being hurt right now if you use that standard?

[packerd_00]

I think they have changed a lot. It's just you (and me to an extent) who haven't changed our opinion. Evidence is the actual changes we see. It's not just a media conspiracy that cause these changes. Real people drive and accept those opinions. It just seems like more people disagree because it's only those that disagree we hear complaining about changes.

Have you ever been in a room with someone who is making racist or bigoted comments to a group of people blissfully ignorant that everyone does not think the same way?

And they will probably never will be convinced they are out of step because the majority of people dont even care enough to argue the point, as they know the argument is already over anyway.

Nah I don't buy that mate sorry,maybe in the city attitudes have changed,but in the smaller towns,attitudes are still quite conservative. I know what you mean inregards to attitudes towards racisim changing over time,but that's a different animal.

[chico2663]

in north carolina in the 60's it was illegal for mixed races to marry. Now it is common place. In the 70's when i grew up cornhole was what to homosexuals did. Now it is a game. In the 80's you had to have 20 % down to buy a house. Now you can get them with no money down. In the 80's it cost me 2000 a semester to go to miami university(that included room and board) Notre dame was 6000. The govt wasn't in the loaning business for schools. Now my niece goes to oklahoma and with sorority fees it runs 45,000. Life has changed and not for the better.

[Mr KLC]

Well they aren't really accepted as yet... but that is an excellent example.

Public standards have changed since 30 years ago. This is what the public wants to happen.

I'm over 50, I get how KLC feels, but it doesn't make it a big deal. Just because us older white males don't likechange.

To me though, it is becoming somewhat of a big deal. I'll give you an example. Being a lifetime Christian, I'll never be a supporter of gay marriage. Society is going to do what they want to do, but that's one road I will never follow. I have a friend that said at one time that churches should keep their opinion like that in the churches. Fair enough. Well now that it has been legalized nationwide, she believes that churches are bigoted, and should be looked at for "hate speech" crimes if they don't submit. Now I know this is just one person, but it is a perfect example of evolving that makes my beliefs transcend into societal hate mongering. I don't hate gays. They have the right to do whatever they want to behind closed doors, but I am a hate monger if I don't submit my mind to society's wills, and turn on what I believe the Lord wants me to believe.

[chico2663]

Other than in your delusional world, who is calling for that??? Nobody. WTF are you talking about????

He is talking about the practice of grooming. britian ,sweden and france are having problems with them muslims doing that to their daughters, He is very right about this

[maggiethebestdog]

I never said "wrong road". Ever. In the same breath, who dictates that something is wrong? Hypothetically speaking, if they were to legalize incest down the line, would you then say that it was wrong to "victimizing others" of their equal rights? Aren't they being hurt right now if you use that standard?

What if they legalize murder and everyone kills each other??? It could happen because gay people are getting married. Good point.

[maggiethebestdog]

He is talking about the practice of grooming. britian ,sweden and france are having problems with them muslims doing that to their daughters, He is very right about this

Muslim practices only prove how damaging religion is. It has nothing to do with me or this country.

[Mr KLC]

What if they legalize murder and everyone kills each other??? It could happen because gay people are getting married. Good point.

You're not getting one point I've tried to make. Useless.