"Religion is fine when you keep it to yourself"

[ACoochy]

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[muldoon]

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I had the over last night in Denver/KC

Make it 5001

[rkelly110]

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Hyperbol..............name 'em.

[guitarjosh]

How have I forced my (your word) socialist view(s) on anyone (including you Josh?).

Had this been Ann-Arbour and the counselor insisted on muslim prayers during councelling - I'm sure you folks would absolutely still defend this COURT APPOINTED person to bring her superstition and make embracing it part of regaining custody of kids.

When I support a hike in taxes to fix public bridges or pave the same roads you use (something that can be changed through votes/plebiscites etc) , is that really the same to to you as putting a woman at a choice between entertaining some voodoo mumblings and homework assignments in order to keep her children?

If you vote to redistribute wealth, force someone to use their property in a particular fashion, you're voting to force your morals on them. Nice straw man acting like all you want to do is fix bridges. Yes, forcing your secular morals on someone is just as bad as forcing your religious morals on someone.

[louisvillekid]

Then there's this....

http://boingboing.net/2015/09/15/non-religious-woman-who-refuse.html

I get it - maybe she's a crappy mom. Had it been my own kids, I'd have just paid the cash under the table and faked it through the God stuff, but this is where this shit (religion) treads outside the realm of innocent fantasy silliness and adversely affects the lives of others.

This not exactly religion based, but story reminds me of an ex's story about how messed up the court system's do stuff. Her ex had beat her, she got restraining order, all the while(before the incident) he was a deadbeat in wouldn't pay child support. So after incident she tries get full custody. He gets lawyer(can afford lawyer, just not child support), fights it, Judge orders they need go to co-parenting classes together. He's not even supposed be in contact with her OR near her cause of restraining order. Don't matter to judge, and they have go to set amount of classes AND pay for them out of their own pockets. She makes everyone, he misses most. Judge orders she has retake classes that he missed, with him, cause it is "co-parenting". Now she has repay for classes she already attended.
It was like some bizzaro twilight zone situation.

[raydog]

secular morals? what the fukk are secular morals? morals didnt come from the bible or any other fictional book...morals are knowing the basic difference in right and wrong... an ancient holy book and those who strictly follow it, dont get to enforce the books ideas on others... religions dont make the moral law, they simply breed gullible bigots and hypocrites

[louisvillekid]

1 Corinthians 9:19

Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible.

Was that Tim Donaghy's motto

James 5:20

remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins.

I guess it is the 'Perspective' of a "SIN", And which alleged person is so-called " Sinning ", and feels that they are.
Is a Latter Day Saint going to win points for trying to convince a Catholic to stop drinking alcohol, regardless of amount of indulgence?
Is a Catholic getting brownie points ( read into that how u feel) for convincing southern Baptists its OK to dance?
Basically there are numerous differences in how each views or defines a " SIN".

[louisvillekid]

Vegas, is only fooling himself…..and maybe muldoon. Athiest are the ones who are the vocal minority. Christians are by-far to reserved and this is why the evil has spread.

True story. Friend works in a religous (Christian) hospital and had a Dad going through the end phase. He goes to Doctor and nurse at nurses station and threatens them with lawsuit if hospital keeps praying over intercom at set times. Doctor tells punk athiest "you realize your Dad is in a Christian hospital?" Doctor reminds guy his Dad is dying, but will give orders to move him and had nurse get paperwork. Guy just walks away. HAHAHAH!

This just happened last weekend. Cant make the Atheist ignorance up if you wanted.

So in This 'True Story', ur "Friend" is a, again, "punk atheist"? And, again "Can't make the Atheist ignorance up if you wanted."
Recon, are u saying u hang with the ignorant punk atheist elite?

[guitarjosh]

secular morals? what the fukk are secular morals? morals didnt come from the bible or any other fictional book...morals are knowing the basic difference in right and wrong... an ancient holy book and those who strictly follow it, dont get to enforce the books ideas on others... religions dont make the moral law, they simply breed gullible bigots and hypocrites

Whose definition of right and wrong?

I guess if the Evangelical right had a collective epiphany tomorrow and said that since Jesus said it was easier for a camel to enter an eye of the needle than a rich man to enter into heaven, we should heavily tax the rich so they will go to heaven. And since Jesus said what you do to the least of these you do to me, we should take all that new tax revenue and give it to the poor via social programs, the left would be screaming about seperation of church and state?

[Jayvegas420]

Yup. Too many bible thumpers claim to adhere to the good book, but their actions reflect otherwise. They behave a lot more like the pharisees in the New Testament than like Jesus. Judge not? Hardly. Render to Caesar what is Caesar's? Definitely not. Easier for a rich man to go to heaven than for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle? Pshhhhhh.... And some of the ridiculous things that they cling to like quotes about homosexuality are sandwiched between laws against blending fabrics, shaving the hair above one's temples and not eating shellfish or certain kids of other fish. I would like to see a bible thumper go to a fish fry and tell everyone there that they are going to hell because the bible says you cannot eat fish without scales.

One of my favorite religious sayings is "Preach the Gospel at all times. When necessary use words." (St. Francis) I honestly don't think it makes a difference if you believe about Mary or the saints or transubstantiation, but I do think that hypocrisy should be met with swift rebuke, and that no one should get an exemption from that, not even Catholics.

Wow, is that ever well written.

The Catholic nuts are going to have a hard time addressing some of the issues brought up in this post.

[zert]

[QUOTE=raydog; but religious people are taught morals from the bible[/QUOTE]

You just said morals dont come from the bible. Which is it?

[muldoon]

Whose definition of right and wrong?

I guess if the Evangelical right had a collective epiphany tomorrow and said that since Jesus said it was easier for a camel to enter an eye of the needle than a rich man to enter into heaven, we should heavily tax the rich so they will go to heaven.

No epiphany even needed. It's quite clear that those who profess to be true believers in the bible (and more specifically, the gospels) conveniently ignore those very specific teachings (for the most part)

Truly want to live like Christ commanded? Give away your possessions and go volunteer to help the sick and imprisoned.

[guitarjosh]

No epiphany even needed. It's quite clear that those who profess to be true believers in the bible (and more specifically, the gospels) conveniently ignore those very specific teachings (for the most part)

Truly want to live like Christ commanded? Give away your possessions and go volunteer to help the sick and imprisoned.

Actually those people do tend to help the poor more than the non religious, and the left clearly wouldn't be screaming about a separation of church and state if the Christian right embraced wealth distribution because of things said in the Bible.

You're missing my point, which is that while people constantly complain about religious people trying to push their morals on others, they have no problems trying to push their morals on religious people.

[brainfreeze]

Whose definition of right and wrong?

I guess if the Evangelical right had a collective epiphany tomorrow and said that since Jesus said it was easier for a camel to enter an eye of the needle than a rich man to enter into heaven, we should heavily tax the rich so they will go to heaven. And since Jesus said what you do to the least of these you do to me, we should take all that new tax revenue and give it to the poor via social programs, the left would be screaming about seperation of church and state?

Jesus said that, to say this Josh, a rich man wants for nothing, boastful, prideful of his material success. This particular rich man wanted to follow Jesus. Jesus told him to give away everything he owned, and to follow Jesus, rich man couldn't do it, he couldn't let go. Why Jesus said what he said, how hard is it for a rich man to get to heaven. He put all of what he owned before Jesus, that was his god.

God just doesn't want us putting things before Him. He will give us what are hearts desire (read solomon) but we must put Him first.

[Buffalo Nickle]

If you vote to redistribute wealth, force someone to use their property in a particular fashion, you're voting to force your morals on them. Nice straw man acting like all you want to do is fix bridges. Yes, forcing your secular morals on someone is just as bad as forcing your religious morals on someone.

How about when you just overthrow the vote and impose the dictator on them Pincochet style? It's for their own good, of course. A virtuous act.

Try getting a Republican to let go of the two most massive socialist programs in the history of the world (SS and military spendiong). Ain't gonna happen. You gotta use Pincochet.

[brainfreeze]

Was that Tim Donaghy's motto



I guess it is the 'Perspective' of a "SIN", And which alleged person is so-called " Sinning ", and feels that they are.
Is a Latter Day Saint going to win points for trying to convince a Catholic to stop drinking alcohol, regardless of amount of indulgence?
Is a Catholic getting brownie points ( read into that how u feel) for convincing southern Baptists its OK to dance?
Basically there are numerous differences in how each views or defines a " SIN".

James 4:17
17Therefore, to one who knows the right thing to do and does not do it, to him it is sin.

Spiritual Sight
…40Those of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these things and said to Him, "We are not blind too, are we?" 41Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no sin; but since you say, 'We see,' your sin remains.

[Buffalo Nickle]

The difference between a Christian forcing their beliefs on a non-believer and the opposite is that the non-believer and the Christian both have freedom. The Christian seeks to take away the non-believers freedom while the non-believe simply wishes to force to Christian to allow them to be free to gamble or smoke their wacky tobacky without losing their freedom which is given to us by God, of course.

[brainfreeze]

The difference between a Christian forcing their beliefs on a non-believer and the opposite is that the non-believer and the Christian both have freedom. The Christian seeks to take away the non-believers freedom while the non-believe simply wishes to force to Christian to allow them to be free to gamble or smoke their wacky tobacky without losing their freedom which is given to us by God, of course.

First miracle Jesus did was turning water to wine.... Sure would give a lot to taste that ..haha

its excess that could be sinful...

[marcoloco]

Sounds like a lot of people in here are scared of a words that come out of peoples mouths. Don't worry guys.

[Buffalo Nickle]

First miracle Jesus did was turning water to wine.... Sure would give a lot to taste that ..haha

its excess that could be sinful...

But why does he need you to decide that for him? And not only will you not allow him to drink/drug to excess, you will not allow it at all. And if he complains, he is taking your freedom.

[brainfreeze]

But why does he need you to decide that for him? And not only will you not allow him to drink/drug to excess, you will not allow it at all. And if he complains, he is taking your freedom.

He doesn't unless the majority is falling off the cliff of excess "sin" then something would have to be done..it would have to be done for the betterment of society...

just like gay marriage, if everybody wanted to be gay, where would life come from, power would have to keep it at bay, " which they are doing a horrible job of " ...

Obama is not christian so I don't know what your getting at...

[Buffalo Nickle]

He doesn't unless the majority is falling off the cliff of excess "sin" then something would have to be done..it would have to be done for the betterment of society...

Only problem is that Christians decide that ANY use is too much and bad for society and take away their God given freedom.

[brainfreeze]

Only problem is that Christians decide that ANY use is too much and bad for society and take away their God given freedom.

Take a stroll through the hood, you'll see more crack addicts then stop signs in any given area ... So I don't know what you mean,

[Buffalo Nickle]

Take a stroll through the hood, you'll see more crack addicts then stop signs in any given area ... So I don't know what you mean,

I mean take a stroll through Amsterdam.

[brainfreeze]

I mean take a stroll through Amsterdam.

Yea, I don't want to live in the red light district... or have to wake up to that environment daily, there's more to life Buffalo

[guitarjosh]

Jesus said that, to say this Josh, a rich man wants for nothing, boastful, prideful of his material success. This particular rich man wanted to follow Jesus. Jesus told him to give away everything he owned, and to follow Jesus, rich man couldn't do it, he couldn't let go. Why Jesus said what he said, how hard is it for a rich man to get to heaven. He put all of what he owned before Jesus, that was his god.

God just doesn't want us putting things before Him. He will give us what are hearts desire (read solomon) but we must put Him first.

I understand that, but my point was that the left uses that verse to justify high taxes on the rich. If the christian right did the same, the left would not be hollering about a separation of church and state.

[Buffalo Nickle]

Well, that's why you live in the better neighborhoods. But you've got your laws and we've got bigger problems. So why not let them be free and also be free to seek rehab without taking away their God given freedom.

[brainfreeze]

I understand that, but my point was that the left uses that verse to justify high taxes on the rich. If the christian right did the same, the left would not be hollering about a separation of church and state.

I see now, taxes are different, I just think if your making capital gains, real D.Trump income, a person making 30k a year shouldn't be paying the same tax rate, seems like there's a war on the middle class, either your going to be with the rich or the poor,

[Buffalo Nickle]

I understand that, but my point was that the left uses that verse to justify high taxes on the rich. If the christian right did the same, the left would not be hollering about a separation of church and state.

Yes. And my point is, that is BS. There is no wealth without redistribution. It will also be reorganized. You only have property with the permission of those without. And Christians seek to deny freedom while non-Christians seek to have their freedoms. But somehow seeking your freedom is denying a Christians freedom. And you've got to be the worst libertarian in the world.

[guitarjosh]

How about when you just overthrow the vote and impose the dictator on them Pincochet style? It's for their own good, of course. A virtuous act.

Try getting a Republican to let go of the two most massive socialist programs in the history of the world (SS and military spendiong). Ain't gonna happen. You gotta use Pincochet.

Would you be okay with Pinochet if he were voted in, then threw all those people in prison?

The difference between a Christian forcing their beliefs on a non-believer and the opposite is that the non-believer and the Christian both have freedom. The Christian seeks to take away the non-believers freedom while the non-believe simply wishes to force to Christian to allow them to be free to gamble or smoke their wacky tobacky without losing their freedom which is given to us by God, of course.

The non believer wants to impose their views on others as well. Democrats believe that business owners should be forced to pay someone a living wage whether they're worth it or not, a high school band playing Amazing Grace during a halftime show is a violation of separation of church and state, while forcing a tax and spend welfare state because of the teachings of the Bible is not.

[Buffalo Nickle]

There is no forcing of a tax and spend welfare state. That has been voted on. And the oppo takes it to whole new levels.

You don't get Pinochet with the vote. But if you do, at least you got what you asked for. You vote for somebody else theoretically and he can let them out.

[brainfreeze]

Who's paying for all these illegal immigrants housing ? The middle and the rich... One problem...

the rich can afford the obama phone, obamacare, section A housing, food stamps, disadvantaged programs, gov. buildings and parks, military, and so fourth...

the middle class can't afford this crap...and then letting more in as we speak, and no ones doing anything ... Crazy

[Buffalo Nickle]

Who's paying for all these illegal immigrants housing ? The middle and the rich... One problem...

the rich can afford the obama phone, obamacare, section A housing, food stamps, disadvantaged programs, gov. buildings and parks, military, and so fourth...

the middle class can't afford this crap...and then letting more in as we speak, and no ones doing anything ... Crazy

You just went Republican retard. What does that have to do with religion? At least they are Catholic.

[muldoon]

Who's paying for all these illegal immigrants housing ? The middle and the rich... One problem...

the rich can afford the obama phone, obamacare, section A housing, food stamps, disadvantaged programs, gov. buildings and parks, military, and so fourth...

the middle class can't afford this crap...and then letting more in as we speak, and no ones doing anything ... Crazy

Such a christ-like response.

"Yo, I've got all this extra bread and fish...only the middle class can have some though, the poor get enough free crap"

FYI, the "obamaphone" program came in decades before Obama. You'd have known this back in the day when you were selling cocaine to minors.

[brainfreeze]

You just went Republican retard. What does that have to do with religion? At least they are Catholic.

I'm not though... There's sides about rep. I don't like.... The stuff that's going on right now is beyond a side, these are actions, they are letting people in the country by the train loads, " against the law ", why is are military not all over the border ?

Idk, seems like globalization is what's coming.... Bush sucked, couldn't handle not one disaster correctly..and to think ANOTHER one could be prez, or trump..smh