21 year old WHITE man just shot up an AFRICAN AMERICAN church

[brooks85]

1. you're wrong about your multicultural statement

2. the pic doesn't even make sense logically and even if you were going to follow that flawed train of through, I could name things much worse than guns.

[ACoochy]

1. you're wrong about your multicultural statement

2. the pic doesn't even make sense logically and even if you were going to follow that flawed train of through, I could name things much worse than guns.

1. Sure pal. If not for european migrants back in the 1950's this country wouldnt be what it is today. According to the Australian Bureau of Statistics, on 30 June 2014 there were 6.6 million residents who were born outside Australia, representing 28% of the total population.

Nah, we arent multicultural at all ya knob...

2. It makes complete sense when used in conjunction to what this thread is about brooker as im not willing to justify the incredulous misinformity of your statement.

[R.P. McMurphy]

Cigarettes , drugs, alcohol, cars etc all responsible for more deaths than guns in this country I'm sure. They willing to "ban" any of that Coochy? No because they truly don't give a shit about safety or well being here overall. Just pick and choose what they please to fuel their fire and tax the rest for more profit.

Seriously I get it trying to be safe and what not and protect. But what's with this over abundance of worrying about human life to such a overwhelming watchdog degree that's more about control in reality? So many millions here and deaths /injuries or harm will happen that's life people die.

Guess not too many TRULY believe in God is what you are saying ehh? Sorry not religious myself but find irony in those who mourn death while on one hand saying moronic shit like "it's gods will", or "now they are at peace in better place". Then 2 seconds later wah wah wah we lost a life what law can we pass to prevent this? Prevent what exactly Gods will you mentioned 2 seconds earlier while saying now they are in heaven and won the race? Lol....oh the irony and conflict within modern man at times.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

if north korean, chinese, cuban, etc citizens could bear arms, they wouldn't let their shitty fukking government control their livelihoods on everything.

it's bad enough that everything is dictated by our crappy governments even with our fake democracy, let's not give them more power by forfeiting our rights to own firearms. once that happens, it's all over for the human race.

[R.P. McMurphy]

And for those with no organized religious affiliation included....Well it's a harsh reality but one we have to come to terms with. Life is a bitch, won't always be fair and were not all gonna end on that fairy tale note of dying peacefully at 85 with the kids/grandkids holding your hand. Don't mean to sound harsh or bitter if that's how it's perceived by some. However once in awhile there are those who need a bitch slap with a dose of reality.

[Jayvegas420]

R.P. is making a very broad argument. He's trying to convince you that DRugs, alcohol & cigarettes kill peple......indirectly.
He'll also have you believe in the age old cliche that guns don't kill people, people kill people.
And the Punish all' argument does hold any water because no gun nut can sufficiently explain why they need a gun.

It sounds to me like RP is a huge advocate for population control or religious freedom.
Anything to distract you from the real issue

[R.P. McMurphy]

Like I've stated many times I'm not a gun owner or advocate. I do care about our rights and liberties though and have no faith in big brother trying to push their shit down our throats. Look it up online I checked several various sites including a recent CNN data on it. Shooting deaths down 49% past 20 years in U.S. Sounds like progress to me!

Sure shooting deaths happen daily here still to this day. Yet why do they want to just get on their podium about the subject when one of these mass high profile cases comes about they want to promote?

[R.P. McMurphy]

JVegas has a gun EVER killed someone without a person pulling the trigger? Yeah answer is no case closed but nice try! And yes some of the things I mentioned kill in different methods agreed. But it all really comes down to health and safety at end of day right? That's what big brother is trying to promote after all. Not an age old debate by any means just common fukking sense really.

And again I'm NO gun advocate, honestly wouldn't lose a second of sleep if every single one that existed found their way to bottom of ocean. Just a realist honestly and understand fully no matter what law is passed the guns are not leaving here.

[recon1]

So what "due process" in our phony ass unjust court system in order? Or how about a more "in depth " investigation cause those are never tainted or spun. Far as I'm concerned he admitted it plain and simple (hopefully not coherced) or yes we have a new ball gm. The young man I'm seeing being carted off in shackles does not look confused, frightened as one would look I would assume if being railroaded by the system. Not everything has to be a conspiracy with me some things just are as they seem and their are plenty of nuts out there who do these things long before the media was even around.

@ Recon- Well I just caught Alex Jones take I haven't listened in a bit and he's agreeing with you and saying this summer could get very heated in racial issues with warfare on horizon. Certainly is adding up absolutely no doubt now that I've stepped back from recent tragedy and had time to absorb it.

This year we have seen an unprecedented rise in news coverage fueling violence on blacks with pigs usually as the culprit now this kid is thrown in the mix hmmm it does make you think. I wasn't born until the 70's but in my years I've never seen a cluster of events like this aimed at enraging the black community in particular in what half a year pretty much? Seriously this shit is not even funny and becoming a weekly cycle and new story. So probably have to go back to 60's at height of segregation battle to top this current climate in our country I imagine...or at least the climate our media outlets are trying to fire up.

I don't think I've heard of Alex Jones. Ill have to look him up sometime.

[Jayvegas420]

[R.P. McMurphy]

Yeah horse shit Vegas you got nothing that's same as waving the white flag emo lol. Anyway not here to make enemies with you or anyone else. Just a debate at end of day. Hopefully whichever way these discussions help and make some more enlightened. But make no mistake I'm a living ex of someone who's not "Joe gun lover" and never owned anything but a bb gun in my life. Fair arguments can be made on both sides that don't necessarily lump you in with the stereotype.

[itchypickle]

R.P. is making a very broad argument. He's trying to convince you that DRugs, alcohol & cigarettes kill peple......indirectly.
He'll also have you believe in the age old cliche that guns don't kill people, people kill people.
And the Punish all' argument does hold any water because no gun nut can sufficiently explain why they need a gun.

It sounds to me like RP is a huge advocate for population control or religious freedom.
Anything to distract you from the real issue

Just because people own firearms doesn't make the entire 80 million of us 'gun nuts'. Plenty of uses for them....home protection....whitetail hunting, mule deer hunting, dove, quail, elk, moose...bobcat and coyote control.....plenty of others.

It all boils down to the talking heads vs rest of America points of view. If you live inside the beltway in DC you can't fathom why anyone would own a weapon....but hop on the road and drive 25 miles and you'll see tons of people who do....same thing goes for living in NYC or another major metro area closed off from the other 90% of the country's population.

Personally I own several....not because I'm an 'enthusiast' or 'militia man' but because they all have various uses for me. You need one of several options of shotguns for hunting...need variations of rifles as well...the you have home and personal protection handguns. I have a wife and 5 year little girl as well as household possessions...plan on keeping it that way.

[R.P. McMurphy]

@Recon he's a right wing conservative I guess they coin it. Some call him an extremist, conspiracy theorist or some other flavor of wk buzz term. Like I said I'm not a steady listener and have heard his name over years and listened in for 1st of maybe a dozen or so times early last year. Like any take it with a grain of salt, do your own research and form own opinions. His voice though does mirror some our thoughts and beliefs on things though.

That's what cracks me up when some try and pigeonhole or categorize me. I'm no slave to any one type of theory, group , or party really. Whether it be democrat, republican, right wing or left, Marxist, socialist, independent yadada. I'm probably a bit of each but think for myself and don't subscribe to anything. And no that doesn't make me a megalomaniac either fyi. I'm just a HUMAN..Lol

[Ghenghis Kahn]

R.P. is making a very broad argument. He's trying to convince you that DRugs, alcohol & cigarettes kill peple......indirectly.
He'll also have you believe in the age old cliche that guns don't kill people, people kill people.
And the Punish all' argument does hold any water because no gun nut can sufficiently explain why they need a gun.

It sounds to me like RP is a huge advocate for population control or religious freedom.
Anything to distract you from the real issue

how do drunk drivers indirectly kill people? they usually survive while they kill the victims. this shit happens daily.

[Jayvegas420]

No one drinks then intends to kill someone with their car.
Totally different from someone loading 50-60 round weapons & killing dozens of people at a church or students in a school.
You're trying to justify why it is necessary to own a gun when the logical answer to that is because, you are afraid of others with guns.
We have a $hit ton of crazy & unstable people in my country & we don't kill each other at a 50th the rate you do.

Because we have a 500th of the guns you have.

I can't go to a gun shop & buy an AK 47 & then head to wallmart to buy 500 rounds of amo.
No one else I know can either.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

hey jay, i was lived in so cal all my life. it's different culture over here than canada. i don't think you'll ever understand.

you can't depend on the police when their minutes away when seconds count.

maybe you live in a peaceful crime free area. in so cal even the good neighborhoods get broken into everyday.

and this problem is only getting worse and worse as our economy gets worse and worse.

once your house gets broken into, you'll understand you need to protect yourself and your family.

remember that family in washington dc where they were stabbed to death and the house was burnt down?

just imagine if they had firearms to protect themselves, the 10yo kid wouldn't have been stabbed multiple times while his parents probably heard him scream to his death...

[Ghenghis Kahn]

damn not having edit function sucks.

[R.P. McMurphy]

Jay in simple terms as I can put it and not being condescending here. But going with my "age old cliche" as you put it which I see as fact from reading history and having at least a good pulse on human condition. Hate is in the heart ,man has been killing man LONG before guns were around with whatever tool available. And now we have drugs passed out by our gov cartel to throw more fuel on fire.

For whatever reason the epidemics and mass killings have revolved around race/religion for most part. But man has always found a weapon even if it's his own hands or made by his own hands to get the job done whether it be a mass killing or one of sudden impulse. Outlawing guns does not fix most the issues in our culture if at all. And certainly does not stop an evil man at heart with bad intentions!

[Jayvegas420]

So my only question is:
Why do you guys kill each other more than any other civilized country in the world?
You're like right fukkin' below us.
We eat the same fast food & watch the same TV shows.
We speak the same language & for the most hold all the same values.
We have a similar amount of immigrants & religious folk.


Why do you have such a disproportionate ratio of gun deaths?

[R.P. McMurphy]

And yeah I know drugs , mind altering substances been around forever but not like this. When I was a kid not that long ago in 80' s NOBODY I knew was on prescribed drugs. The business had not yet boomed I guess.Nowadays every scumbag professional is trying to get everyone they can including kids under their drugs for profit system and enjoying the kickbacks. I realize in some severe cases maybe it's needed and warranted to help. But without question in my mind they are abusing the system for profit and harming people.

Wanna talk about real issues that's just 1 to scratch the surface of many wrongs our country embraces thru lies, manipulation, abuse of power and corruption.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

So my only question is:
Why do you guys kill each other more than any other civilized country in the world?
You're like right fukkin' below us.
We eat the same fast food & watch the same TV shows.
We speak the same language & for the most hold all the same values.
We have a similar amount of immigrants & religious folk.


Why do you have such a disproportionate ratio of gun deaths?

do you know the two countries where dtc ads are legal?

do you know how many kids are on these meds?

is there a correlation between mass killings and these meds?

you've been to the states, every other fukking commercial is about some drugs and doctors in the states are the real drug pushers.

people fukking blame guns in america but the real problem is americans on pharmaceuticals.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

antidepressants and antipsychotics take away your soul and change you as a person. it's a big problem no one wants to talk about...

[R.P. McMurphy]

J I don't have all answers but will acknowledge I've never been to Canada and don't truly know the customs, culture, or pulse overall in your society. Been all over the U.S. pretty much however I won't be one of those dumbass sounding Mericans who uses the megalomaniac company line "we are the greatest nation on planet" when my dumb ass has never crossed our borders once let alone seen it all.

You ever spent much time here or been at all JV? Never been to Mexico myself either but just from what I've seen and read shit is WAY different than our culture and in many bad ways! They are just south of us but don't let the invisible man made lines fool ya shit can change quick no matter how close in proximity.

[Jayvegas420]

I travel to Fort Drum monthly & I get the whole patriotic thing. I can actually feel the American Hammer when I walk around & shop there.
I've said on this forum many times that Las Vegas is the single greatest city in the entire world.
But when you say "The Greatest Country in the World",
I don't think I can say it any better than this:

https://The Newsroom - Opening Scene...[/url]


Maybe I just watch too much TV?

[R.P. McMurphy]

Cannot access your story on phone for some reason? See what I'm saying though about countries being different? Mexico just south of us , same as we are to you and from what I know a whole other ballgm. Or maybe we just hide things better cause that's what we do and truly were not that far apart in reality lol?!? Yeah Vegas is the shit! Peace out boys

[dfish]

do you know the two countries where dtc ads are legal?

do you know how many kids are on these meds?

is there a correlation between mass killings and these meds?

you've been to the states, every other fukking commercial is about some drugs and doctors in the states are the real drug pushers.

people fukking blame guns in america but the real problem is americans on pharmaceuticals.

antidepressants and antipsychotics take away your soul and change you as a person. it's a big problem no one wants to talk about...

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Could not agree more

[teaserpleaser]

hey jay, i was lived in so cal all my life. it's different culture over here than canada. i don't think you'll ever understand.

you can't depend on the police when their minutes away when seconds count.

maybe you live in a peaceful crime free area. in so cal even the good neighborhoods get broken into everyday.

and this problem is only getting worse and worse as our economy gets worse and worse.

once your house gets broken into, you'll understand you need to protect yourself and your family.

remember that family in washington dc where they were stabbed to death and the house was burnt down?

just imagine if they had firearms to protect themselves, the 10yo kid wouldn't have been stabbed multiple times while his parents probably heard him scream to his death...

Where did you live where you're house got broken into? Think I know one person but that was an apartment ....people are very nosey in So cal.

[teaserpleaser]

Anybody think it's strange that this kid attended the church and has black friends/black drinking buddies. Makes little sense.

[Auto Donk]

I can't go to a gun shop & buy an AK 47 & then head to wallmart to buy 500 rounds of amo.
No one else I know can either.

and no one here can either........ ak 47's aren't sold in a single gunshop in the us.....

nor are any other fkin' fully automatic weapons.... at least not LEGALLY.... IE, NO US CITIZEN CAN GO OUT AND JUST BUY A FULLY AUTOMATIC WEAPON.... anyone acquiring one without a very special federal license that is nearly impossible to get CANNOT LEGALLY OWN A FULLY AUTOMATIC WEAPON IN THIS COUNTRY..... IF ONE DOES WITHOUT THE FEDERAL LICENSE, HE IS ALREADY VIOLATING LAWS, SO, ARE TEN MORE NEW GUN LAWS GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE???? Of course not, the guy is already a criminal WHO DOESN'T OBEY THE LAW!!!! (THAT'S Why we call them criminals.... because they are so adept at following the law)

we can think the media liberals and their deliberate confusion of the terms "semi-automatic" and "automatic".... they drop the "semi" part of that intentionally to blur the issue, causing confusion and more worry/outrage among those who don't know shit about guns, to try and have the uninformed masses in the city ingrained to think "any gun with 'automatic' attached to its name must be evil, and therefore banned"

[recon1]

Just because people own firearms doesn't make the entire 80 million of us 'gun nuts'. Plenty of uses for them....home protection....whitetail hunting, mule deer hunting, dove, quail, elk, moose...bobcat and coyote control.....plenty of others.

It all boils down to the talking heads vs rest of America points of view. If you live inside the beltway in DC you can't fathom why anyone would own a weapon....but hop on the road and drive 25 miles and you'll see tons of people who do....same thing goes for living in NYC or another major metro area closed off from the other 90% of the country's population.

Personally I own several....not because I'm an 'enthusiast' or 'militia man' but because they all have various uses for me. You need one of several options of shotguns for hunting...need variations of rifles as well...the you have home and personal protection handguns. I have a wife and 5 year little girl as well as household possessions...plan on keeping it that way.

Itchy, well said, but when i talk about the right of ownership reference firearms, i absolutely make sure i never mention hunting. Now, that is 99% of the usage of a firearm, but i always bring up it's only reason we have this God given right is to protect from tyranny weather it's coming in our front door at 0300 or from a government that has unleashed an alphabet agency onto us. We the people have the right to gather take up arms and reinstall a proper for the people government whenever and however we choose. Deer hunting is just a bonus…….just sayin'

[Optional]

Anybody think it's strange that this kid attended the church and has black friends/black drinking buddies. Makes little sense.

Yeah just saw this interview and thought it was really strange too.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33209654

[recon1]

@Recon he's a right wing conservative I guess they coin it. Some call him an extremist, conspiracy theorist or some other flavor of wk buzz term. Like I said I'm not a steady listener and have heard his name over years and listened in for 1st of maybe a dozen or so times early last year. Like any take it with a grain of salt, do your own research and form own opinions. His voice though does mirror some our thoughts and beliefs on things though.

That's what cracks me up when some try and pigeonhole or categorize me. I'm no slave to any one type of theory, group , or party really. Whether it be democrat, republican, right wing or left, Marxist, socialist, independent yadada. I'm probably a bit of each but think for myself and don't subscribe to anything. And no that doesn't make me a megalomaniac either fyi. I'm just a HUMAN..Lol

I remember him on the Pierce Morgan show after Sandy Hook. I really don't know much about him, but i search engine his name latter. Once a person is awake and they believe the written word of Jesus Christ, the media and government lies just glow. I can connect dots much easier.

[itchypickle]

Said the kid dropped out of high school in after trying to repeat the 9th grade...all making sense now.

[Kermit]

Yeah just saw this interview and thought it was really strange too.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33209654

Yeah, this is really strange

[recon1]

Anybody think it's strange that this kid attended the church and has black friends/black drinking buddies. Makes little sense.

We really have entered the era of "weird"

The kid who shot Rep. G. Giffords and all those people. His dad stated his Son went off the deep end after being put onto heavier doses of pharmaceuticals and didn't show up at home for several days. When he came home his dad said he cornered him asked him where he'd been and all he said was some ramblings about being taken and was on a mission. I have not heard anymore about this.
The Batman shooter has videos of him on the net giving presentations where he is engaging with the crowd and likable. An investigative journalist found that he too was put on higher amounts of pharmaceuticals and that J. Holmes was seeing a former US Air Force psychologist who was trained in DARPA tactics.

Not sure where you stand on these matters, but i believe enough evidence exist in these recent mass shootings to open criminal proceedings that expand well beyond the suspects themselves. Due process is failing us and the attorneys for these suspects are leaving so much of the evidence i just alluded to off the table. Just looking for pleas and move along.