Time to make things right.

[BeerDog99]

Very interesting TDB, I had never read about Pascal's wager before. Thanks!

I would wager a guess that a lot of the concepts might go over some people's heads! :-)

Brainfreeze, to be clear on my views. I am 100% against organized religion and I think it is a significant part of all evil in this world. I recognize that people who are religious do a lot of good in this world but my view is that has nothing to do with the actual religion but the actual person. On a personal level, while I do not understand your "belief", I fully support your ability to have your belief. As long as it does not impact others in any negative way and it is all with consenting adults, do whatever you want.

As far as making fun of beliefs, there never should be limits on that. Make fun of my lack of believe, have at it. If we have limits on making fun of beliefs we are just begging for another charlie hebdo and anybody reasonable would not want that.

[brainfreeze]

Very interesting TDB, I had never read about Pascal's wager before. Thanks!

I would wager a guess that a lot of the concepts might go over some people's heads! :-)

Brainfreeze, to be clear on my views. I am 100% against organized religion and I think it is a significant part of all evil in this world. I recognize that people who are religious do a lot of good in this world but my view is that has nothing to do with the actual religion but the actual person. On a personal level, while I do not understand your "belief", I fully support your ability to have your belief. As long as it does not impact others in any negative way and it is all with consenting adults, do whatever you want.

As far as making fun of beliefs, there never should be limits on that. Make fun of my lack of believe, have at it. If we have limits on making fun of beliefs we are just begging for another charlie hebdo and anybody reasonable would not want that.

Isaiah 5:20
20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Luke 12:10…9but he who denies Me before men will be denied before the angels of God. 10"And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him. 11"When they bring you before the synagogues and the rulers and the authorities, do not worry about how or what you are to speak in your defense, or what you are to say;…

[brainfreeze]

Not making fun of your beliefs, or at least not you specifically for holding them...but I do think the greatest story ever told would work better with some revisions. I think "Lamb" by Christopher Moore gets the message across in a more memorable and certainly easier-to-digest format, highly recommend giving it a read sometime.

That said, all are welcome to have some fun with my beliefs, so long as it's funny...Billy Joel had the right idea I think

Your a smart guy tripper, you should try this book...

Eusebius, the history of the church from Christ to Constantine by G.A Williamson

Its all good, I'm just saying... My how the times have changed, it's now cool to curse God, when most of are grandparents believed in Jesus from America anyways, I can only imagine what the next thirty will look like, God help us...

[BeerDog99]

Isaiah 5:20
20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Luke 12:10…9but he who denies Me before men will be denied before the angels of God. 10"And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him. 11"When they bring you before the synagogues and the rulers and the authorities, do not worry about how or what you are to speak in your defense, or what you are to say;…

Quoting text from a book written before the dark ages by men who wanted to control the masses does nothing to inform or sway anybody. You give up all pretence of reasoned intelligence at that point.

And even more scary to me is using the same basic argument the "islamic extremists" use makes you and/or your religion no different and just Christian extremists. The only small chance of difference is in how you choose to not forgive the apparent slight against your belief but that is a very small bridge to cross and almost any heinous act can be justified with this line of excuse.

[brainfreeze]

Quoting text from a book written before the dark ages by men who wanted to control the masses does nothing to inform or sway anybody. You give up all pretence of reasoned intelligence at that point.

And even more scary to me is using the same basic argument the "islamic extremists" use makes you and/or your religion no different and just Christian extremists. The only small chance of difference is in how you choose to not forgive the apparent slight against your belief but that is a very small bridge to cross and almost any heinous act can be justified with this line of excuse.

What ? ... For one a lot of intelligent people believe in Christ... I talk to folks all the time that are really smart, and they believe in Christ. Two, why are you talking about islam extremist and christians in the same sentence ? We are NOTHING alike... We do not kill people because of their belief, we do not promote killing people. God promotes peace and love so any " heinous " act some one does, is not on account to Christ. Your completely being mislead by your way of thought bd but this isn't the God thread, so I won't go on, come, I welcome you to the conversation though..

Ephesians 6:12


12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

You won't find one verse that Jesus said " kill people for their belief " but in the koran, there's more then one verse that says to do so... Gets your facts straight.

[bobbywaves]

As far as making fun of beliefs, there never should be limits on that. Make fun of my lack of believe, have at it. If we have limits on making fun of beliefs we are just begging for another charlie hebdo and anybody reasonable would not want that.

BD, now you can spew your pathetic atheist beliefs in the proper thread:

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/saloon/2925015-god.html

[BeerDog99]

BD, now you can spew your pathetic atheist beliefs in the proper thread:

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...25015-god.html

I was going to let this go but penetrate it, I will stop stating my beliefs if you stop spewing your pathetic religious beliefs here.

[bobbywaves]

I was going to let this go but penetrate it, I will stop stating my beliefs if you stop spewing your pathetic religious beliefs here.

Sure, that's why I linked you the proper thread.

[Russian Rocket]

This thread is a hidden gem of SBR

[Triple_D_Bet]

Very interesting TDB, I had never read about Pascal's wager before. Thanks!

I would wager a guess that a lot of the concepts might go over some people's heads! :-)

Brainfreeze, to be clear on my views. I am 100% against organized religion and I think it is a significant part of all evil in this world. I recognize that people who are religious do a lot of good in this world but my view is that has nothing to do with the actual religion but the actual person. On a personal level, while I do not understand your "belief", I fully support your ability to have your belief. As long as it does not impact others in any negative way and it is all with consenting adults, do whatever you want.

As far as making fun of beliefs, there never should be limits on that. Make fun of my lack of believe, have at it. If we have limits on making fun of beliefs we are just begging for another charlie hebdo and anybody reasonable would not want that.

It's one of the more common fallacious arguments made in support of various otherworldly beliefs, but more importantly, it shows that humans can believe in something without any proof while still operating logically in most other aspects and contributing greatly to advancement of human understanding. The former is forgivable so long as the latter is present; the problems arise when people believe they only need the former....exhibit A being bobbo.

Isaiah 5:20
20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Luke 12:10…9but he who denies Me before men will be denied before the angels of God. 10"And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him. 11"When they bring you before the synagogues and the rulers and the authorities, do not worry about how or what you are to speak in your defense, or what you are to say;…

Good examples of the 2 kinds of advice found in the bible freezer. The first is basically "don't be a dick" (or the golden rule), and while it's good advice and makes excellent sense, it wasn't pioneered by Christians, nor does practicing it or believing in it require supernatural beliefs.

The second is basically "don't do this arbitrary list of stuff, 'cause it's bad, for no particular logically discernible reason". Historically, rules and laws like this have been used primarily by those in power to remove their opposition, a process which continues to this day...even a society that pays lip service to man's inalienable rights shows little reluctance to take them away if exercising those rights infringes upon a sacred belief. This is exactly why these things can be dangerous: at best, they lead people to believe some reasonable concepts but through irrational mens...at worst, they encourage people to support their own oppression with the excuse of "it gets better when you die".

Your a smart guy tripper, you should try this book...

Eusebius, the history of the church from Christ to Constantine by G.A Williamson

Its all good, I'm just saying... My how the times have changed, it's now cool to curse God, when most of are grandparents believed in Jesus from America anyways, I can only imagine what the next thirty will look like, God help us...

I'll add it to the reading list...on the surface looks like some decent historical insight, it certainly can't be taken as proof simply because it's old (no more than the Bible can), and Christianity's tenets aren't somehow more or less valid simply because people were persecuted for them (before the Romans realized they could appropriate the religion and its control system fro themselves).

Cursing God has got to be on of the least impactful "sins" I can think of...I can't imagine wanting to worship a God who will forgive someone for murdering me but not for blaspheming in his name....those are some screwed-up priorities.

What ? ... For one a lot of intelligent people believe in Christ... I talk to folks all the time that are really smart, and they believe in Christ. Two, why are you talking about islam extremist and christians in the same sentence ? We are NOTHING alike... We do not kill people because of their belief, we do not promote killing people. God promotes peace and love so any " heinous " act some one does, is not on account to Christ. Your completely being mislead by your way of thought bd but this isn't the God thread, so I won't go on, come, I welcome you to the conversation though..

Ephesians 6:12


12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

You won't find one verse that Jesus said " kill people for their belief " but in the koran, there's more then one verse that says to do so... Gets your facts straight.

BD's point is that Christianity is no different than radical Islam in the sense that it advocates blind faith above reason. Perhaps Jesus never said "go kill people who don't believe as you do" (although the Old Testament is full of it and still considered God's immutable word, or at least the parts people don't want to ignore)...but any system which encourages its followers to believe they're morally superior to those who don't believe the same unproven things they do inevitably leads to those followers being used by more cunning, less-moral people exploiting their lack of reason and using them as tools of violence (reference: Crusades, Inquisition, world wars....pretty much the entirety of human history).

You don't seem to believe that, which is all well and good...but on the whole, many do from numerous religions. This is why many of us have realized that it makes far more sense to promote logical thinking which reaches the same conclusions on all the "good things" of Abrahamic or Eastern religions, but avoids the "unintended" consequences stemming from people picking faith over reason.

BD, now you can spew your pathetic atheist beliefs in the proper thread:

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...25015-god.html

As happens so often, you try to persuade of you're right in a manner which proves you're not....well done

This thread is a hidden gem of SBR

Points forum always delivers

[brainfreeze]

It's one of the more common fallacious arguments made in support of various otherworldly beliefs, but more importantly, it shows that humans can believe in something without any proof while still operating logically in most other aspects and contributing greatly to advancement of human understanding. The former is forgivable so long as the latter is present; the problems arise when people believe they only need the former....exhibit A being bobbo.

there's plenty of proof, I've said a few times that I've seen things with my own eyes that defy logic... Why would a star actor walk pass me and call himself a satanist mid filming ? Why would I run into film producers at my local gas station, giving me cards ? Why is Miley Cyrus a star ? Girl has zero talent, people write for her, they control her voice with machines, they have a wardrobe for her, they have a make up artist, a lighting guy, promoters selling this crap, the list goes on and on, it's a big propagated joke... I've seen apparitions in the sky in my backyard, this stuff is real tripper, and there's some things that you just won't know or can't explain, start with the pyramids.. I'm not looking to be forgiven though, and God gave us a brain to think, so I do that anyway friend...




Good examples of the 2 kinds of advice found in the bible freezer. The first is basically "don't be a dick" (or the golden rule), and while it's good advice and makes excellent sense, it wasn't pioneered by Christians, nor does practicing it or believing in it require supernatural beliefs.

The second is basically "don't do this arbitrary list of stuff, 'cause it's bad, for no particular logically discernible reason". Historically, rules and laws like this have been used primarily by those in power to remove their opposition, a process which continues to this day...even a society that pays lip service to man's inalienable rights shows little reluctance to take them away if exercising those rights infringes upon a sacred belief. This is exactly why these things can be dangerous: at best, they lead people to believe some reasonable concepts but through irrational mens...at worst, they encourage people to support their own oppression with the excuse of "it gets better when you die".
, not exactly, the first is about calling something other then what it is, like calling murder and hate good and peace and love bad or God bad and lucifer good.. Placing darkness for light, like homosexuality good and heterosexual bad... Not a good idea, why the verse says WOE TO THEM.
the second is about calling God out of His name, it's understandable it will happen when there is no belief there, people will call names and so fourth, but once you've been woken and are conscience, for you to deny the Holy Spirits work and with conscience serve lucifer/evil, there's no way around that, it's unforgivable ... One has officially decided for themselves who they will serve with conscience, happens in secret brotherhoods and so fourth, why there's different degrees..

I'll add it to the reading list...on the surface looks like some decent historical insight, it certainly can't be taken as proof simply because it's old (no more than the Bible can), and Christianity's tenets aren't somehow more or less valid simply because people were persecuted for them (before the Romans realized they could appropriate the religion and its control system fro themselves).

Good, I think you will enjoy something like this, yes if you like history this is a very solid account. The Romans did fulfill another prophecy in 70a.d " the tearing down of the temple ". Yes, Constantine used Christianity for his own purposes politically, but there's evidence he still worshipped other gods, so we know his agenda was self motivated but still spread the words of Christ, so you see where I'm going with this... Rome never died by the way, they just moved, what numbers do we use at Super Bowl time ? What calendar do we use ? Where do we get the days of the week Saturn - day , Sun - day , Moons - day... This stuff is still going on today, just go look up the days of the week... They worshiped the planets..

Cursing God has got to be on of the least impactful "sins" I can think of...I can't imagine wanting to worship a God who will forgive someone for murdering me but not for blaspheming in his name....those are some screwed-up priorities.

the blaspheming of the Holy Spirit is with conscience denying Christ, once receiving it, and signing oaths or denying Christ and serving self, evil, and lucifer is worse then anything because now your intent and premeditation goes beyond anything .. This is why it's worse then murder, a murderer has a agenda of money, rape, or pride this type of thing, but when one will do it, against God after rejecting the Holy Spirit, then it's the ultimate sin



BD's point is that Christianity is no different than radical Islam in the sense that it advocates blind faith above reason. Perhaps Jesus never said "go kill people who don't believe as you do" (although the Old Testament is full of it and still considered God's immutable word, or at least the parts people don't want to ignore)...but any system which encourages its followers to believe they're morally superior to those who don't believe the same unproven things they do inevitably leads to those followers being used by more cunning, less-moral people exploiting their lack of reason and using them as tools of violence (reference: Crusades, Inquisition, world wars....pretty much the entirety of human history).

You don't seem to believe that, which is all well and good...but on the whole, many do from numerous religions. This is why many of us have realized that it makes far more sense to promote logical thinking which reaches the same conclusions on all the "good things" of Abrahamic or Eastern religions, but avoids the "unintended" consequences stemming from people picking faith over reason.

it starts off as blind faith but God reveals Himself how ever He wants to in your life, He uses people things occurring to show you proof, and these things will strengthen your faith to where it's not blind faith anymore. Here in the USA we should be thankful for God, we have the best constitution in all the world, more rights then any other country, GOD GIVEN RIGHTS might I add, and if this is ever destroyed by man, do you know what's coming next ? Socialized world government, obama is doing his best with that... and we are all equal, I'm not better then you, there will always be wars tripper, there will always be some thirsty for blood and money, and if we socialize everything, I can assure the results won't good in the end, let's keep our constitution and country intact people, it made us a good nation...



As happens so often, you try to persuade of you're right in a manner which proves you're not....well done



Points forum always delivers

answered in bold....

[JAKEPEAVY21]

quoting the Bible at a gambling forum

[brainfreeze]

quoting the Bible at a gambling forum

Thought tripper answered this one a while back... guess you weren't around.
I will witness rather I'm on skid row or death row, or millionaire row, doesn't matter to me.

[JAKEPEAVY21]

sorry, I don't have the time/energy to sift through all this nonsense..point is the majority at a gambling forum don't want/care to hear it...go to a religious forum to spew your beliefs

[BeerDog99]

OMG, I just read through some of the GOD thread in the Saloon. There are some priceless gems in there! Now I know more of the kooks we have in here.

[Triple_D_Bet]

answered in bold....

there's plenty of proof, I've said a few times that I've seen things with my own eyes that defy logic... Why would a star actor walk pass me and call himself a satanist mid filming ? Why would I run into film producers at my local gas station, giving me cards ? Why is Miley Cyrus a star ? Girl has zero talent, people write for her, they control her voice with machines, they have a wardrobe for her, they have a make up artist, a lighting guy, promoters selling this crap, the list goes on and on, it's a big propagated joke... I've seen apparitions in the sky in my backyard, this stuff is real tripper, and there's some things that you just won't know or can't explain, start with the pyramids.. I'm not looking to be forgiven though, and God gave us a brain to think, so I do that anyway friend...

The beautiful thing about this world is that it doesn't defy logic; every time man has looked and found something that defies his understanding of the world, digging deeper has yielded the same result: reality is correct, and man's understanding of it was imperfect. much of what you list above is readily explainable.

, not exactly, the first is about calling something other then what it is, like calling murder and hate good and peace and love bad or God bad and lucifer good.. Placing darkness for light, like homosexuality good and heterosexual bad... Not a good idea, why the verse says WOE TO THEM.
the second is about calling God out of His name, it's understandable it will happen when there is no belief there, people will call names and so fourth, but once you've been woken and are conscience, for you to deny the Holy Spirits work and with conscience serve lucifer/evil, there's no way around that, it's unforgivable ... One has officially decided for themselves who they will serve with conscience, happens in secret brotherhoods and so fourth, why there's different degrees..

the blaspheming of the Holy Spirit is with conscience denying Christ, once receiving it, and signing oaths or denying Christ and serving self, evil, and lucifer is worse then anything because now your intent and premeditation goes beyond anything .. This is why it's worse then murder, a murderer has a agenda of money, rape, or pride this type of thing, but when one will do it, against God after rejecting the Holy Spirit, then it's the ultimate sin

Shrug, the first is still bad (albeit just foolish in my eyes rather than a "sin"), and I guess the second would be hypocritical...but again, any deity that concerns himself more with people calling him names than people murdering other people isn't one I'd be interested in hanging out with, let alone worshiping.

it starts off as blind faith but God reveals Himself how ever He wants to in your life, He uses people things occurring to show you proof, and these things will strengthen your faith to where it's not blind faith anymore. Here in the USA we should be thankful for God, we have the best constitution in all the world, more rights then any other country, GOD GIVEN RIGHTS might I add, and if this is ever destroyed by man, do you know what's coming next ? Socialized world government, obama is doing his best with that... and we are all equal, I'm not better then you, there will always be wars tripper, there will always be some thirsty for blood and money, and if we socialize everything, I can assure the results won't good in the end, let's keep our constitution and country intact people, it made us a good nation...

No offense intended, but if you start by assuming you're correct and then look for ways to "prove" it, you'll find them...it doesn't mean you're actually correct. Much like our ancestors who ascribed unknowable forces like the weather to angry gods, some people prefer to attribute coincidence or other human's actions to a god; even when the science exists to tell us exactly why we feel things thta seem counter-intuitive, some will always choose to believe in mysticism instead of reality. The harm such beliefs can do is evident...I didn't plan on getting into politics, but let's just say that in our country, the most dangerous impact of ignorance is when people vote on it.

Good, I think you will enjoy something like this, yes if you like history this is a very solid account. The Romans did fulfill another prophecy in 70a.d " the tearing down of the temple ". Yes, Constantine used Christianity for his own purposes politically, but there's evidence he still worshipped other gods, so we know his agenda was self motivated but still spread the words of Christ, so you see where I'm going with this... Rome never died by the way, they just moved, what numbers do we use at Super Bowl time ? What calendar do we use ? Where do we get the days of the week Saturn - day , Sun - day , Moons - day... This stuff is still going on today, just go look up the days of the week... They worshiped the planets..

Early history of Christianity is something I enjoy reading about; it seems to me most likely that it's a story which began simply (some dude comes along and preaches the golden rule as a way to be happier) as a reaction to Roman rule. Then through corruption by human ignorance, superstition and desire to exploit others, his teachings were used by the very system it was opposed (roman empire) as a tool of exploiting people once again, but this time with their full blessing....and it's done so ever since, at best serving as a vehicle of control for well-meaning despots, and at worst for ill-meaning despots. An extremely potent lesson about perception, faith and human nature, albeit not as cheery as you hear most Sundays. Christianity not-withstanding, Roman culture shaped human history in many ways.

Also, prophesying the tearing down of a temple is like the T-ball of prophesies...kinda hard for that one not to be fulfilled one way or another

sorry, I don't have the time/energy to sift through all this nonsense..point is the majority at a gambling forum don't want/care to hear it...go to a religious forum to spew your beliefs

True enough Jake...but regardless of the merit of the discussion, you have to admit it's a better use than this thread was being put to previously

[Triple_D_Bet]

OMG, I just read through some of the GOD thread in the Saloon. There are some priceless gems in there! Now I know more of the kooks we have in here.

Agreed, was an interesting read...http://www.thebricktestament.com/home.html is also a good read, brings Bible stories to light in a more logical manner. Mostly old testament stuff, but always good on a couple of levels

[playersonly69]

tripledbet, I noticed just one thing with this entire thread. You sure have a lot of free time on your hands

[bobbywaves]

OMG, I just read through some of the GOD thread in the Saloon. There are some priceless gems in there! Now I know more of the kooks we have in here.

Kooks because they have different beliefs than you?

[brainfreeze]

The beautiful thing about this world is that it doesn't defy logic; every time man has looked and found something that defies his understanding of the world, digging deeper has yielded the same result: reality is correct, and man's understanding of it was imperfect. much of what you list above is readily explainable.
Much, maybe Miley ... Nothing I've witnessed is explainable. Only calling me crazy would give excuse, and knowing that I'm not crazy, it's just dismissive... Some don't want to know the truth, or believe what I'm saying...

Shrug, the first is still bad (albeit just foolish in my eyes rather than a "sin"), and I guess the second would be hypocritical...but again, any deity that concerns himself more with people calling him names than people murdering other people isn't one I'd be interested in hanging out with, let alone worshiping.

When one calls evil good, it goes beyond just bad tripper, it's distorting what's natural and good for the opposite. No one likes hate, and The Messiah's whole mission was against hate. Love God and love your neighbor as yourself, these are the greatest commandments. Mind you Jesus was around before all other religions, He said before Abraham was I am...

[/B]No offense intended, but if you start by assuming you're correct and then look for ways to "prove" it, you'll find them...it doesn't mean you're actually correct. Much like our ancestors who ascribed unknowable forces like the weather to angry gods, some people prefer to attribute coincidence or other human's actions to a god; even when the science exists to tell us exactly why we feel things thta seem counter-intuitive, some will always choose to believe in mysticism instead of reality. The harm such beliefs can do is evident...I didn't plan on getting into politics, but let's just say that in our country, the most dangerous impact of ignorance is when people vote on it.

I know I'm correct tripper, tell me when you start praying to Jesus and see the changes I've seen in my life. Pain pills, codeine, weed, gone overnight, a complete life change, seeing apparitions in the sky after praying and these are just the big things, there's a lot of little miracles as well. The harm ? Some worship lucifer, and do the most craziest things you can imagine, don't attribute that to God. As I said, we have a good nation that was found upon God given rights, let's keep them please...we don't want the latter.

[/B]Early history of Christianity is something I enjoy reading about; it seems to me most likely that it's a story which began simply (some dude comes along and preaches the golden rule as a way to be happier) as a reaction to Roman rule. Then through corruption by human ignorance, superstition and desire to exploit others, his teachings were used by the very system it was opposed (roman empire) as a tool of exploiting people once again, but this time with their full blessing....and it's done so ever since, at best serving as a vehicle of control for well-meaning despots, and at worst for ill-meaning despots. An extremely potent lesson about perception, faith and human nature, albeit not as cheery as you hear most Sundays. Christianity not-withstanding, Roman culture shaped human history in many ways.
I'm glad you enjoy history, I do as well, especially when it comes to Christ. We have to know that people will always exploit no matter what it is, that's the powers and principalities we're up against, look up simon magus, a magician, he wanted St. Peter to grant him the Holy Spirit, so he could exploit it, wild stuff...


Also, prophesying the tearing down of a temple is like the T-ball of prophesies...kinda hard for that one not to be fulfilled one way or another

There's a lot of prophecies fulfilled tripper, you can't excuse them all friend...

True enough Jake...but regardless of the merit of the discussion, you have to admit it's a better use than this thread was being put to previously

In blue tripper

[brainfreeze]

Shrug, the first is still bad (albeit just foolish in my eyes rather than a "sin"), and I guess the second would be hypocritical...but again, any deity that concerns himself more with people calling him names than people murdering other people isn't one I'd be interested in hanging out with, let alone worshiping.

I wanted to answer this as well, he's not as worried about this, why He said will be forgiven, but to reject the Holy Ghost, they will not be forgiven. The gift of the Holy Spirit is life changing tripper, you won't see things the way you once did, you will have more patience then ever before and love people more then you ever have.
Here are the fruits of the Holy Ghost...
Galatians 5:22-23King James Version (KJV)


22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

So these things will be intensified in your life upon receiving the Holy Spirit, also called the Comforter or " The Helper ", the Holy Spirit guides and helps you in your mission for Christ...

Just wanted to add that it's not about calling Him names, it's about denying the Holy Ghost and choosing otherwise upon being conscience ...

[BeerDog99]

Kooks because they have different beliefs than you?

Man you are so circular, you call my views pathetic but you think it is bad if I call someone that holds your beliefs kooks.

[bobbywaves]

Man you are so circular, you call my views pathetic but you think it is bad if I call someone that holds your beliefs kooks.

Circular? You obviously invited it, with your comments below.

As far as making fun of beliefs, there never should be limits on that. Make fun of my lack of believe, have at it. If we have limits on making fun of beliefs we are just begging for another charlie hebdo and anybody reasonable would not want that.

[Triple_D_Bet]

tripledbet, I noticed just one thing with this entire thread. You sure have a lot of free time on your hands

Not as much as I'd prefer, but responses like this don't take all that long...sadly, I have nothing better to do here until MLB starts anyways

In blue tripper

We'll just have to disagree on what's explainable, as we do on several other points

Man you are so circular, you call my views pathetic but you think it is bad if I call someone that holds your beliefs kooks.

Amazing isn't it? You can point out how he's contradicting himself all day long, and he'll focus on how one of his actions is correct while ignoring his faulty ones (and try to act like you're being inconsistent for pointing them out). There might be worse traits, but if I were him and had to choose between being wormfood or living eternally as a halfwit, the choice would be pretty damn clear

[bobbywaves]

but if I were him and had to choose between being wormfood or living eternally as a halfwit, the choice would be pretty damn clear

Atheists like yourself & BD won't have a choice, you'll just be wormfood.

[BeerDog99]

Circular? You obviously invited it, with your comments below.

Noting that there should be no restrictions on making fun of a religion/belief is different than you saying I was "spewing my pathetic atheist beliefs". If you want to equate them, I do not care. I admit that calling some people "kooks" is an light insult, to people I did not name nor did I indicate I was actually referring to the your brand of religious zealotry.

My point that you highlight still stands, any religion or belief system should be open to challenges and satire, without repercussions or censure. Any resistance to that and ad hominem insults is generally a sign of lack of an ability for reasonable and logical discussion. And that is inherent to my concern with Christian or Islamic censure, indignation and/or retribution. Having a belief system which is not open to that and having people use that to control and/or oppress people is so utterly wrong at its core.

[bobbywaves]

Noting that there should be no restrictions on making fun of a religion/belief is different than you saying I was "spewing my pathetic atheist beliefs". If you want to equate them, I do not care. I admit that calling some people "kooks" is an light insult, to people I did not name nor did I indicate I was actually referring to the your brand of religious zealotry.

My point that you highlight still stands, any religion or belief system should be open to challenges and satire, without repercussions or censure. Any resistance to that and ad hominem insults is generally a sign of lack of an ability for reasonable and logical discussion. And that is inherent to my concern with Christian or Islamic censure, indignation and/or retribution. Having a belief system which is not open to that and having people use that to control and/or oppress people is so utterly wrong at its core.

I previously provided you the proper http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...25015-god.html thread, yet you continue to spew your nonsense in this thread.

[BeerDog99]

I previously provided you the proper http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...25015-god.html thread, yet you continue to spew your nonsense in this thread.

as usual you continue to not address the point and spew your nonsense....

[Straight Cash]

This thread needs to just die off...

[brainfreeze]

Noting that there should be no restrictions on making fun of a religion/belief is different than you saying I was "spewing my pathetic atheist beliefs". If you want to equate them, I do not care. I admit that calling some people "kooks" is an light insult, to people I did not name nor did I indicate I was actually referring to the your brand of religious zealotry.

My point that you highlight still stands, any religion or belief system should be open to challenges and satire, without repercussions or censure. Any resistance to that and ad hominem insults is generally a sign of lack of an ability for reasonable and logical discussion. And that is inherent to my concern with Christian or Islamic censure, indignation and/or retribution. Having a belief system which is not open to that and having people use that to control and/or oppress people is so utterly wrong at its core.

You keep saying this, but are not getting the point. If you renounce islam or call their so called prophet a name in say Yemen or libiya, then your in for trouble. If you call Jesus names YOU ARE FORGIVEN, and that's around the world, not so with islam obviously it's about demographics how one can talk.

[brainfreeze]

We'll just have to disagree on what's explainable, as we do on several other points

Well, as soon as you want to explain apparitions in the sky, my mothers visions she has with people all the time, the pyramids even, or anything else I've related to you, I'll be waiting... Cheers bud

[Triple_D_Bet]

Amazing isn't it? You can point out how he's contradicting himself all day long, and he'll focus on how one of his actions is correct while ignoring his faulty ones...

Atheists like yourself & BD won't have a choice, you'll just be wormfood.

as usual you continue to not address the point and spew your nonsense....

In his defense BD, he's been this thick for as long as he's posted here, can't really expect him to change now!

You keep saying this, but are not getting the point. If you renounce islam or call their so called prophet a name in say Yemen or libiya, then your in for trouble. If you call Jesus names YOU ARE FORGIVEN, and that's around the world, not so with islam obviously it's about demographics how one can talk.

Are there more countries with stricter Islamic laws than Christian ones? Yeah, at least nowadays...hard to overlook the past couple millennia though, where until relatively recently Christianity was just as bad if not worse. To be clear, I don't condone violating people's rights for any reason...but if anything, they seem to come by their violations more honestly (out of an honest desire/belief that it's blasphemy) than the empires where Christianity's doctrines were used primarily to persecute and maintain power, instead of for more pious reasons. Again, violating rights always bad, and sadly the vast majority of people who permit these things to happen come from all sorts of religious backgrounds (Christians, Muslims, atheists, etc). I would argue that followers of reason are less likely to oppress others than religious adherents though, even when the religious think they're doing it for the right reasons.

Well, as soon as you want to explain apparitions in the sky, my mothers visions she has with people all the time, the pyramids even, or anything else I've related to you, I'll be waiting... Cheers bud

1) You've referenced some previous drug experience, so surely you can understand that brain chemistry is delicate and minor fluctuations can cause significant changes in our perception.

2) Not aware of the specifics, but if you mean knowing things about people she hasn't met, cold-readers do it all the time...it's a well-documented phenomenon, and though it doesn't match up with what we intuitively think, it's science and math.

3) Plenty of theories of how the pyramids were constructed, and several smaller scale experiments have been able to reproduce them (to the extent that they've shown it's possible to do it with the tech they had). Also a solid example of what you can get done when you tell people gods exist and will be displeased with them if they don't support your desire to build a mountain tomb for yourself

[brainfreeze]

In his defense BD, he's been this thick for as long as he's posted here, can't really expect him to change now!



Are there more countries with stricter Islamic laws than Christian ones? Yeah, at least nowadays...hard to overlook the past couple millennia though, where until relatively recently Christianity was just as bad if not worse. To be clear, I don't condone violating people's rights for any reason...but if anything, they seem to come by their violations more honestly (out of an honest desire/belief that it's blasphemy) than the empires where Christianity's doctrines were used primarily to persecute and maintain power, instead of for more pious reasons. Again, violating rights always bad, and sadly the vast majority of people who permit these things to happen come from all sorts of religious backgrounds (Christians, Muslims, atheists, etc). I would argue that followers of reason are less likely to oppress others than religious adherents though, even when the religious think they're doing it for the right reasons.

There book calls for death, the New Testament calls for life and love, Jesus even stopped His own from murdering a women for her crime of adultery .. Koran actually calls for death of infidels, so I don't know what you mean.
1) You've referenced some previous drug experience, so surely you can understand that brain chemistry is delicate and minor fluctuations can cause significant changes in our perception.

2) Not aware of the specifics, but if you mean knowing things about people she hasn't met, cold-readers do it all the time...it's a well-documented phenomenon, and though it doesn't match up with what we intuitively think, it's science and math.

3) Plenty of theories of how the pyramids were constructed, and several smaller scale experiments have been able to reproduce them (to the extent that they've shown it's possible to do it with the tech they had). Also a solid example of what you can get done when you tell people gods exist and will be displeased with them if they don't support your desire to build a mountain tomb for yourself
So now it's the weed and pain pills that get prescribed to 70% of America ... First it was placebo, that got me off overnight mind you,and now I'm hallucinating ... Cold- readers ?? It's math ... This is a bit insulting tripper, but it's all good, mine as well just call me a liar and theories of how they were built is no conclusion

In blue...

[SoCalFisher]

Brainfreeze I have no stake in this game, and it possibly was already asked/addressed. How long ,if ever, were you incarcerated? Not poking fun, just a question.

[brainfreeze]

Brainfreeze I have no stake in this game, and it possibly was already asked/addressed. How long ,if ever, were you incarcerated? Not poking fun, just a question.

I have no problem with the question, there's more locked up in America then any where in the world. It's a business, a very profitable one, over $150 a day for housing D.O.C inmates.. I deserved what I got, looking back at it... I was out of control, bars never stopped me though, Only thing that hit me like a Mac truck was Christ... Seriously

Over three years total... Starting from a juvenile.. Haven't seen bars in over ten years, partially because I got real slick, then I got saved by Christ.

There should be better option for returning home felons, they keep taking more and more away. One used to could go work for delta, dealing with the luggage or this type of thing, they've took that away as well now. The jobs are bad for everyone as is, despite what the government says. A felon though, it's like your never done with your time because they hold it against you for the rest of your life. I could see this for violent crimes or sexual ones, anything involving others... I'm good though, God has it all under control, I'm no rich man but I have what's better then gold, Gods Word, family, a legit hustle, and solid friends...