GOD

[recon1]

how are they forcing anything on anyone? are they knocking at your door asking you to join them in their sex acts?

you people are taking something that you dont personally care for and going holier than though on it... its very hypocritical ... gays keep to themselves, for the most part.. if they know you are straight, they dont bother you... they know how people feel about them... i dont care for it either, but i mind my own business and let others do what they want... nobody should be told what they can and cant do

I remember the days when even an atheist knew sodomites and Lesbians was just wrong.

[Pareto]

I apologize, i missed the case you allegedly made, i must have blinked.

Thats ok, you wouldnt have understood it either, as it isnt based on quotes from your imaginary friend.

[sourtwist]

now you understand how rational, logical and realistic people feel about being surrounded by christians who believe in the most unproven, unrealistic and most irrational theory ever invented...

take your morals from the bible... leave the rest of the manipulative scare tactics and stories of the impossible, alone...

sure, the govt. is fukked and all, but your hypocrisy, hate and delusional conspiracy theories arent helping...they are hurting

as far as the gay marriage... who the fukk cares.. married, unmarried.. its just a title, man ... dont get so caught up in that

if you can find one, just one quote I've taken from the Bible, I will simply leave this conversation.

it's also a shame that you don't understand that those things you are calling conspiracy theories are actually based upon facts.

keep using your bank card for transactions, use ezpass, turn in your weapons, allow the demise of family values, let Muslims force their will on you and your family. I won't. and that has. nothing to do with my religious beliefs. I'll stand with you as my brother and friend regardless of your lack of religious beliefs when the shit hits the fan, and it will very soon. and don't forget the mark of the beast, which is already being introduced. it will be implemented through oscummercare.

[recon1]

if you can find one, just one quote I've taken from the Bible, I will simply leave this conversation.

it's also a shame that you don't understand that those things you are calling conspiracy theories are actually based upon facts.

keep using your bank card for transactions, use ezpass, turn in your weapons, allow the demise of family values, let Muslims force their will on you and your family. I won't. and that has. nothing to do with my religious beliefs. I'll stand with you as my brother and friend regardless of your lack of religious beliefs when the shit hits the fan, and it will very soon. and don't forget the mark of the beast, which is already being introduced. it will be implemented through oscummercare.

Sour, hitting on all 8 cylinders today.

[sourtwist]

Sour, hitting on all 8 cylinders today.

I took my meds today

[bigtymer56]

I don't fully disagree. point is that there's no need for pushing the issue as far as marriage goes. they can do whatever they want like you said.

There are financial benefits that come with being married...even more incentive to push the issue.

[raydog]

st, i didnt say anything about you and bible scriptures... you are god fearing and hypocritical of others who live a different lifestyle... i completely understand homophobia.. but im sure you have a few friends, not close obv. that are gay... or you have had them in the past... they are people like you and me... who they choose to fukk is nobodies business.. doesnt matter how much it repulses us...

your views are your views... conspiracy "facts" surrounding 9-11 and whatever else, as you put them, are nothing more than others opinions... others with some sort of an agenda

recon, i never said i approved.. only that its none of my business and the idea that someone will go to a "hell" for choosing a different lifestyle than you, because a 5000yr old book says so, is irrational nonsense

[sourtwist]

and people like myself shouldn't be forced to pay those new benefits.

[ACoochy]

and people like myself shouldn't be forced to pay those new benefits.

I heard its gods will though. Therefore you must obey...

[sourtwist]

st, i didnt say anything about you and bible scriptures... you are god fearing and hypocritical of others who live a different lifestyle... i completely understand homophobia.. but im sure you have a few friends, not close obv. that are gay... or you have had them in the past... they are people like you and me... who they choose to fukk is nobodies business.. doesnt matter how much it repulses us...

your views are your views... conspiracy "facts" surrounding 9-11 and whatever else, as you put them, are nothing more than others opinions... others with some sort of an agenda

recon, i never said i approved.. only that its none of my business and the idea that someone will go to a "hell" for choosing a different lifestyle than you, because a 5000yr old book says so, is irrational nonsense

my godfather/uncle gave up his wife ad daughter to be with a Negro 20 years ago.

my sister kicked her husband out of their house so her disgusting "friend" can move in. they both have 5 year old daughters.
I've seen evil first-hand, nobody can teach me anything about how I should feel about this.

[raydog]

and people like myself shouldn't be forced to pay those new benefits.

people are people.. i pay for lazy fukks to collect govt. assistance when there are jobs...that shit will never stop.. the theory of "god" is the only reason why people are treated differently ... until a "god" can be proven, it should never have a say so in anything involving law and govt. .. and i would like to see how much, if any, you will pay more out of your paycheck

whats different about gay marriage and interracial marriage? just because something repulses you , doesnt mean its not their rights as humans

[sourtwist]

I heard its gods will though. Therefore you must obey...

I have no idea what you are talking about, but nice to see you.

[sourtwist]

people are people.. i pay for lazy fukks to collect govt. assistance when there are jobs...that shit will never stop.. the theory of "god" is the only reason why people are treated differently ... until a "god" can be proven, it should never have a say so in anything involving law and govt. .. and i would like to see how much, if any, you will pay more out of your paycheck

whats different about gay marriage and interracial marriage? just because something repulses you , doesnt mean its not their rights as humans

you're consistently putting words in my mouth. I was just being specific about the details. where did I even comment about interracial being repulsive? what's the matter with you dude?

[raydog]

you're consistently putting words in my mouth. I was just being specific about the details. where did I even comment about interracial being repulsive? what's the matter with you dude?

you didnt... but interracial marriage/dating is still very frowned upon (like gay sex/marriage), although not an actual sin i dont think, by the masses... that was my point...just because its frowned upon by some, doesnt give them the right to dictate how others live... the idea of "god" and more importantly, "gods" idea of this sexual sin, has 0 business being involved in govt. and its laws ... prove the god theory, then christians views would be taken more seriously

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

Mods please shut this thread down soon.

[bigtymer56]

my godfather/uncle gave up his wife ad daughter to be with a Negro 20 years ago.

my sister kicked her husband out of their house so her disgusting "friend" can move in. they both have 5 year old daughters.
I've seen evil first-hand, nobody can teach me anything about how I should feel about this.

You act like straight people dont do this type of shit too.

[bigtymer56]

and people like myself shouldn't be forced to pay those new benefits.

I sure taking away all the tax exemptions religious instutitions here enjoy would more than make up for those new benefits.

[sourtwist]

You act like straight people dont do this type of shit too.

do I?

[raydog]

st, i do see some of your points, buddy... im not happy with the way the govt. takes so much control.. i dont know anyone who is happy about it .. i just dont invade on others rights as a human... gays arent hurting you..not hurting your family and not hurting anyone else... the morals and values of you and your family arent being put in jeopardy.. its just something that grosses you out, so you are vocal about it... and thats fine... yours and mine opinions dont mean squat... nobody will ever be completely happy with all the changes constantly going on in our govt.

[sourtwist]

fair enough raydog, I was just stressing the fact that many of our thoughts as a whole are manipulated more by government and big money rather than by religion. regardless of what we believe we should certainly respect one another and not infringe upon other people's lives. as far as the whole gay thing, which is a touchy subject, one can be gay but why does there have to be a movement? does my daughter have to watch two guys kissing on TV?

[raydog]

im not missing any points.. guys kissing isnt my cup of tea either... but i dont think i have seen any shows spring gay men stuff without giving a warning either in the guide or over the internet... take 2.5 men this year as an example.. its all about them getting married so the guy can adopt a kid... it was all over the internet for months before the season came out...if she watches that show, its nobody elses fault,imo... and you have the crime shows.. svu/stalker etc etc. that give warnings and you know that some stuff could get dicey... and there are the obvious shows involving gay stuff on the movie channels that give fair warning... what im saying is that its tv, you have a descriptive guide and a remote...you can control what you watch... its not being forced on you..not like you think ...

there is also the obvious double standard.. women kissing women.. have been doing scenes for years...doesnt seem to get much hate... men are more homophobic and more vocal about it... it disgusts you and you have the right to not like it and badmouth it and state your opinions on it...i cant stand to watch it and refuse to... does that make it any less their human right?

[bigtymer56]

fair enough raydog, I was just stressing the fact that many of our thoughts as a whole are manipulated more by government and big money rather than by religion. regardless of what we believe we should certainly respect one another and not infringe upon other people's lives. as far as the whole gay thing, which is a touchy subject, one can be gay but why does there have to be a movement? does my daughter have to watch two guys kissing on TV?

You answered this question in the sentence right before it.

[raydog]

my acquaintance is still in a coma, but alive... only because of the ventilator... people praising god for keeping him alive and giving him a chance.. fukkin dunces dont realize what a ventilator is, i suppose... the head trauma he received insures that if he lives, he will be worse than mentally retarded... basically the mind of an infant for the rest of his life...both he and his family will wish he had died...

i guess this poor, hard working, god fearing, churgh going, redneck family from arkansas had life by the balls so hard that God decided he needed to keep them in check and let them know who is running the show... utterly ridiculous to believe in such a thing, but hey, im not going to pass judgement... i just hope those, who believe, will someday come to their senses and realizes that things happen...not for a reason, but that shit just fukking happens

[brainfreeze]

my acquaintance is still in a coma, but alive... only because of the ventilator... people praising god for keeping him alive and giving him a chance.. fukkin dunces dont realize what a ventilator is, i suppose... the head trauma he received insures that if he lives, he will be worse than mentally retarded... basically the mind of an infant for the rest of his life...both he and his family will wish he had died...

i guess this poor, hard working, god fearing, churgh going, redneck family from arkansas had life by the balls so hard that God decided he needed to keep them in check and let them know who is running the show... utterly ridiculous to believe in such a thing, but hey, im not going to pass judgement... i just hope those, who believe, will someday come to their senses and realizes that things happen...not for a reason, but that shit just fukking happens

Who do you think gave man the intelligence to make a ventilator ? ....it's bitter sweet, not to offend you, but this is the price of knowledge, did you say he got hurt in a machine " car " and now another machine is keeping him alive. Man says we need " climate control ", we are now at a place in time where people are trying to be God... Man wants to clone children, man clones animals, these things happen because of a forbidden fruit, the knowledge and intellect of good and evil. Started out as small things like farming, and irrigation systems, planting something that was not already there...Now multiply that by a million, and fast forward to today we have gmo's ... Genetically modified foods... Do you see where this is going ?

And that's your opinion God " had to let him know who's running the show ", people's flesh die all the time raydog, it's flesh, your going to go, and I'm going to go, no doubt about it, sure the main frame will one day tell us, Hey, we can live forever !! As what ? ... You got it, a machine... Destroying humanity, as lucifer loves to do, and inserting machines in our place. God loves us more then anything, and lucifer can't stand it, so he's trying to faze us out of being...Again, sorry about your friend, and I don't have all the answers, but just you thinking and questioning is a sign of hope to me...just think, what if your wrong, and one day God explains everything your heart desires for Him to explain... but yet you rejected Him your whole life ?

[ACoochy]

Who do you think gave man the intelligence to make a ventilator ? ....it's bitter sweet, not to offend you, but this is the price of knowledge, did you say he got hurt in a machine " car " and now another machine is keeping him alive. Man says we need " climate control ", we are now at a place in time where people are trying to be God... Man wants to clone children, man clones animals, these things happen because of a forbidden fruit, the knowledge and intellect of good and evil. Started out as small things like farming, and irrigation systems, planting something that was not already there...Now multiply that by a million, and fast forward to today we have gmo's ... Genetically modified foods... Do you see where this is going ?

And that's your opinion God " had to let him know who's running the show ", people's flesh die all the time raydog, it's flesh, your going to go, and I'm going to go, no doubt about it, sure the main frame will one day tell us, Hey, we can live forever !! As what ? ... You got it, a machine... Destroying humanity, as lucifer loves to do, and inserting machines in our place. God loves us more then anything, and lucifer can't stand it, so he's trying to faze us out of being...Again, sorry about your friend, and I don't have all the answers, but just you thinking and questioning is a sign of hope to me...just think, what if your wrong, and one day God explains everything your heart desires for Him to explain... but yet you rejected Him your whole life ?

Freezer, i dont get it.

You seem like a intelligent guy so what gives with the fiction and borderline nuttery beliefs?

Like, why would any sane person believe in talking snakes, virgin birth, a world wide flood covering the highest mountains, Noah's ark??? I mean cmon.

The religious fear their gods and fear retribution from their gods.......why is this? I thought it was supposed to be about love and peace.

Im sorry freezer but no other institution created by man has caused as much pain and death as that of organised religion...

Im the end i dont get it and to be honest can only be thankful that this is so...

[brainfreeze]

Freezer, i dont get it.

You seem like a intelligent guy so what gives with the fiction and borderline nuttery beliefs?

Like, why would any sane person believe in talking snakes, virgin birth, a world wide flood covering the highest mountains, Noah's ark??? I mean cmon.

The religious fear their gods and fear retribution from their gods.......why is this? I thought it was supposed to be about love and peace.

Im sorry freezer but no other institution created by man has caused as much pain and death as that of organised religion...

Im the end i dont get it and to be honest can only be thankful that this is so...

Go back over the thread I've answered this already.... It's spiritual, the Bible is a Spiritual book in some places and physical in others ... And then some of it is spiritual and physical...

2 Timothy 2:15


15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

1 Corinthians 2:14 - But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

[raydog]

Who do you think gave man the intelligence to make a ventilator ? ....it's bitter sweet, not to offend you, but this is the price of knowledge, did you say he got hurt in a machine " car " and now another machine is keeping him alive. Man says we need " climate control ", we are now at a place in time where people are trying to be God... Man wants to clone children, man clones animals, these things happen because of a forbidden fruit, the knowledge and intellect of good and evil. Started out as small things like farming, and irrigation systems, planting something that was not already there...Now multiply that by a million, and fast forward to today we have gmo's ... Genetically modified foods... Do you see where this is going ?

And that's your opinion God " had to let him know who's running the show ", people's flesh die all the time raydog, it's flesh, your going to go, and I'm going to go, no doubt about it, sure the main frame will one day tell us, Hey, we can live forever !! As what ? ... You got it, a machine... Destroying humanity, as lucifer loves to do, and inserting machines in our place. God loves us more then anything, and lucifer can't stand it, so he's trying to faze us out of being...Again, sorry about your friend, and I don't have all the answers, but just you thinking and questioning is a sign of hope to me...just think, what if your wrong, and one day God explains everything your heart desires for Him to explain... but yet you rejected Him your whole life ?

no, im not thinking and questioning... im making fun of the entire theory...it was a joke... this is just one of the many preposterous "excuses" given when bad shit happens and nobody knows why... nobody knows because there is nothing controlling anything... shit just happens...... god fearing just assume, ignorantly, that god is using this person as an example and has a plan... the entire theory is just so ridiculous i dont know how you can possible agree ...

just like man making machines... its the same ridiculous theory "god gave man the intelligence to do this or that" ...you dont even realize how stupid it sounds to hear people say that.. humans continue to get smarter...so much trial and error.. unlike our gullibe and compared to today, illiterate ancestors, who threatened generation after generation with a fiery hell , rational and believable theories are what we are learning today

[brainfreeze]

no, im not thinking and questioning... im making fun of the entire theory...it was a joke... this is just one of the many preposterous "excuses" given when bad shit happens and nobody knows why... nobody knows because there is nothing controlling anything... shit just happens...... god fearing just assume, ignorantly, that god is using this person as an example and has a plan... the entire theory is just so ridiculous i dont know how you can possible agree with ...

just like man making machines... its the same ridiculous theory "god gave man the intelligence to do this or that" ...you dont even realize how stupid it sounds to hear people say that.. humans continue to get smarter... unlike our gullibe and compared to today, illiterate ancestors, who threatened generation after generation with a fiery hell , rational and believable theories are what we are learning today

Question is ... Do you want to believe a story that you can live forever, on the account of man through machines ? or do you want to believe God, and really live for eternity...

[raydog]

believing is fine... being hypocritical assholes who judge everyone who believes something different and their actions, is not fine... (not talking about you or others on the forum) .. as a whole, the god fearing need a reality check and stop being so judgmental when they are the ones who are believing the most unproven theory ever created... they need to give themselves some credit, learn to take more responsibility and stop using god as a crutch and the devil as an excuse

just my rational .02c

[sourtwist]

raydog, you're the one being judgmental. take a step back and look. you're the one calling other people names, not the other way around, and you're also the one who seems to fly off the handle the quickest.

[raydog]

The theories of the God fearing are irrational ... Yet, they are the biggest hypocrites... They believe , because they were told to do so... Why on earth would anyone believe that the way to eternal life is written in a book, by many different authors, that is how old??? I feel dumber discussing it... I get a little upset because none if you believers have answers.. You roll with whatever you are told by others with no clue or whatever scripture you read... Too much trust in a book that is loaded with manipulation and the sheep are too scared to question it

[Triple_D_Bet]

Question is ... Do you want to believe a story that you can live forever, on the account of man through machines ? or do you want to believe God, and really live for eternity...

The answer to that question is simple: reality isn't dependent on what you want, and believing something to be true just because you prefer the alternative is foolish at best; at worst, it's a habit that will create problems for you, those around you and in our republic, for everyone living here who chooses to abide by the laws drafted by politicians voted in by you and other critical-thinking-challenged folks. The first is your own business, the second is up to people who still choose to hang around you....but the third hurts others, and is perhaps one of the best reasons to try to help people over their ignorance.

[sourtwist]

The theories of the God fearing are irrational ... Yet, they are the biggest hypocrites... They believe , because they were told to do so... Why on earth would anyone believe that the way to eternal life is written in a book, by many different authors, that is how old??? I feel dumber discussing it... I get a little upset because none if you believers have answers.. You roll with whatever you are told by others with no clue or whatever scripture you read... Too much trust in a book that is loaded with manipulation and the sheep are too scared to question it

no man or woman will ever make up my mind for me. never happen. I make my own decisions and live my life the way I want to.

[brainfreeze]

The answer to that question is simple: reality isn't dependent on what you want, and believing something to be true just because you prefer the alternative is foolish at best; at worst, it's a habit that will create problems for you, those around you and in our republic, for everyone living here who chooses to abide by the laws drafted by politicians voted in by you and other critical-thinking-challenged folks. The first is your own business, the second is up to people who still choose to hang around you....but the third hurts others, and is perhaps one of the best reasons to try to help people over their ignorance.

Reality is God, ... Simple

As for this country, it was founded on rights endowed by the Creator... God. These are God given rights and freedom, so I don't know what your getting at tripper...

[brainfreeze]

The theories of the God fearing are irrational ... Yet, they are the biggest hypocrites... They believe , because they were told to do so... Why on earth would anyone believe that the way to eternal life is written in a book, by many different authors, that is how old??? I feel dumber discussing it... I get a little upset because none if you believers have answers.. You roll with whatever you are told by others with no clue or whatever scripture you read... Too much trust in a book that is loaded with manipulation and the sheep are too scared to question it

No one " told " me anything, I've studied to show myself approved and God proves Himself all the time, and I've given you many answer on what I do know, and none are you willing to except.