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  • brainfreeze
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    • 05-13-14
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    #1086
    Originally posted by Seaweed
    Brainfreeze what you giving up for lent?
    Kiss any corans lately ?


    Your being mislead...

    Vatican scoffs at threats that Pope Francis is “in the crosshairs” of ISIS as Italy issues a terrorist threat and tightens security.
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    • brainfreeze
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      #1087
      I watched partial video of those Christians that were slaughtered along the shore.... Smh, they say their going to get Rome, Europe, and Usa .... OVER MY DEAD BODY will there be some shia law crap here, they think it will happen overtime. That more muslims are in these countries as Europeans have less children and every where else.

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      • ACoochy
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        • 08-19-09
        • 13949

        #1088
        This is potentially the most dangerous thread in SBR history...
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        • recon1
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          • 08-13-12
          • 2579

          #1089
          Originally posted by brainfreeze
          I watched partial video of those Christians that were slaughtered along the shore.... Smh, they say their going to get Rome, Europe, and Usa .... OVER MY DEAD BODY will there be some shia law crap here, they think it will happen overtime. That more muslims are in these countries as Europeans have less children and every where else.

          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmGRshS0PAw
          I believe the fact I.S. punks killed these Christians on the shores of Tripoli is no accident, but have a subliminal message.

          Marine hym

          From the Halls of MontezumaTo the shores of Tripoli;We fight our country's battlesIn the air, on land, and sea;First to fight for right and freedomAnd to keep our honor clean;We are proud to claim the titleOf United States Marine.Our flag's unfurled to every breezeFrom dawn to setting sun;We have fought in every clime and placeWhere we could take a gun;In the snow of far-off Northern landsAnd in sunny tropic scenes,You will find us always on the jobThe United States Marines.Here's health to you and to our CorpsWhich we are proud to serve;In many a strife we've fought for lifeAnd never lost our nerve.If the Army and the NavyEver look on Heaven's scenes,They will find the streets are guardedBy United States Marines.

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          • recon1
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            • 08-13-12
            • 2579

            #1090
            Montezuma is a battle that took police in Mexico with Marines. I.S. is pushing in our face they are coming in through Mexico and the killing of Christians on the shore of Tripoli speaks for itself.
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            • brainfreeze
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              #1091
              Originally posted by recon1
              Montezuma is a battle that took police in Mexico with Marines. I.S. is pushing in our face they are coming in through Mexico and the killing of Christians on the shore of Tripoli speaks for itself.

              Matthew Chapter 26
              52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?

              They think their shia law will come in overtime... That they can get it peacefully through politics and decreasing in our birth rates while increasing theirs in these countries... They start chopping heads on this soil, they better tighten that towel around their head.... They'll be in for a surreal surprise.

              I don't doubt that there's peaceful muslims... but they have no legs to stand on, their book calls for death of infidels.. A lot actually.
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              • muldoon
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                #1092
                Originally posted by brainfreeze
                They think their shia law will come in overtime... .
                For starters, ISIS is attacking Shia muslims.

                Secondly (and ironically), it's SHARIA law.

                They start chopping heads on this soil, they better tighten that towel around their head.... They'll be in for a surreal surprise.
                So that's your red line? It has to happen here? Sounds like it's the final quarter in the battle of religions dude. Why wait until they get here to play the role of tough walker (vs. tough talker)
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                • brainfreeze
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                  • 05-13-14
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                  #1093
                  Originally posted by muldoon
                  For starters, ISIS is attacking Shia muslims.

                  Secondly (and ironically), it's SHARIA law.



                  So that's your red line? It has to happen here? Sounds like it's the final quarter in the battle of religions dude. Why wait until they get here to play the role of tough walker (vs. tough talker)
                  What part of I'm not responding to you, do you not understand ? Yet you keep posting to me, one statement :
                  yum, yum...Come get'cha some
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                  • muldoon
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                    • 01-04-10
                    • 4397

                    #1094
                    Originally posted by brainfreeze
                    What part of I'm not responding to you, do you not understand ?
                    I guess it would be the part where you respond.

                    Watch out for that shia law dude!
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                    • Swaggy P
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                      • 01-28-14
                      • 1091

                      #1095
                      Was watching this video earlier today and I laughed. Reminded me exactly of the participants of this discussion and how pointless and stupid this thread is. Same shit being repeated from both sides over and over with neither side being able to definitively prove anything.

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                      • raydog
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                        • 11-07-07
                        • 6984

                        #1096
                        swaaaagaayyyy... swaggy, i got tired of calling lakerboy out for airbetting.. i need 1 or 2 threads here to keep me occupied for a few minutes each day...

                        swaggy, 81 cbb plays we are sweating currently... probably around 120 by nights end...a little stressed... give me a little break okay pal...thanks
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                        • recon1
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                          • 08-13-12
                          • 2579

                          #1097
                          Originally posted by brainfreeze
                          Matthew Chapter 26
                          52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?

                          They think their shia law will come in overtime... That they can get it peacefully through politics and decreasing in our birth rates while increasing theirs in these countries... They start chopping heads on this soil, they better tighten that towel around their head.... They'll be in for a surreal surprise.

                          I don't doubt that there's peaceful muslims... but they have no legs to stand on, their book calls for death of infidels.. A lot actually.
                          I dont want to broadcast what i think in a forum, but remind me one day and i'll tell you what i really think is going down.
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                          • raydog
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                            • 11-07-07
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                            #1098
                            mr.klc , why do you believe in a 4-5000 yr old book? a book that claims to be the word of god, yet god never wrote a word and the authors were from many different centuries .... why havent we seen the "impossible" that is in the bible, since well before the bible was finished? doesnt that seem odd? who told you to believe so strongly and why do you trust their opinion when its merely one that has been passed through generations? why dont you question the obvious flaws and literally impossible feats the bible claims? its not human

                            just wondering... your map , in the other thread, should be an eye opener... too many depend on prayer and god instead of depending on themselves...
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                            • Mr KLC
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                              • 12-19-07
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                              #1099
                              Originally posted by raydog
                              mr.klc , why do you believe in a 4-5000 yr old book? a book that claims to be the word of god, yet god never wrote a word and the authors were from many different centuries .... why havent we seen the "impossible" that is in the bible, since well before the bible was finished? doesnt that seem odd? who told you to believe so strongly and why do you trust their opinion when its merely one that has been passed through generations? why dont you question the obvious flaws and literally impossible feats the bible claims? its not human

                              just wondering... your map , in the other thread, should be an eye opener... too many depend on prayer and god instead of depending on themselves...
                              Like I said in the last thread. We can discuss it after we both pass on. If you're right, then I have wasted a part of my life, but if you are wrong. Hmmmmm... Either way, you are not going to ever change my stance. I love the lord, and believe we are saved through his son, Jesus Christ.
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                              • raydog
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                                • 11-07-07
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                                #1100
                                not trying to change your stance... just wish believers would raise more questions about the bible... questions concerning what is proven to be impossible... ive said, many times, i dont care what you worship, how you worship or if you dont worship anything, as long as you are better person for doing so... if whatever you do, is helping you to be a better for yourself and society, i hope you always continue ... im just strongly against having god and religion imposed on me and literally cringe when i see quoted scripture from an ancient book and even more so look at u.s. money and see "in god we trust" ...
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                                • Mr KLC
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                                  #1101
                                  Originally posted by raydog
                                  not trying to change your stance... just wish believers would raise more questions about the bible... questions concerning what is proven to be impossible... ive said, many times, i dont care what you worship, how you worship or if you dont worship anything, as long as you are better person for doing so... if whatever you do, is helping you to be a better for yourself and society, i hope you always continue ... im just strongly against having god and religion imposed on me and literally cringe when i see quoted scripture from an ancient book and even more so look at u.s. money and see "in god we trust" ...
                                  Always going to be some form of the Bible in society. Thou shall not steal. Thou shall not kill. Adultery is something that hurts other people, depending on the circumstances. People get hurt by gossip, so many people frown against it. That's just 4 of the commandments, which is a very small portion of the Bible. No matter how you dice it, a lot of the principles, our society lives by, are in the Bible. Can't run away from it. Why are these values sewn into us? The majority of this country were Bible thumpers, if only 100 years ago. Hell, when I was in grade school 40 years ago, no one would even fathom talking against God in casual conversation. We took it for granted that the Gideons were coming with their Bibles every year. We said the Lord's prayer, along with the Pledge of Allegiance every morning.

                                  I think that's pretty much why I'm so sewn into my faith. I've had the opportunity to see how less hectic, and over the top, life was when God was still in the forefront, and I like what I saw. That's why I live in Tennessee. We don't have the Gideons come to my kids' schools anymore, but I like that we can still say prayers before sporting events, instead of a moment of silence. I like that I can freely talk about the Lord at work, and don't have to worry about someone getting offended. There's still craziness, and disruption in this state, but it still suits the needs for what I believe spiritually.

                                  To each their own. I'm not going to tell you that you're right or wrong. I'm not going to bang the "You're going to hell" gongs because of your view. I have enough trouble keeping my life straight, without telling someone else about what is going to happen to them because of what they believe. That's your own personal decision. That's between You and God, or You and Nobody, however way you look at it.
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                                  • raydog
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                                    • 11-07-07
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                                    #1102
                                    im in tennessee too... there are over a dozen churches in a 5 mile radius of my house... crazy... such a money maker... but i agree, there are still a ton of old fashioned religious views that still linger in the southern states..they are fighting change

                                    if you care to look it up, i went to mid/high school at a small private school outside of the city... the school came under fire a few years ago because it was the first to outright ban gay kids from attending... kicked a kid out and suspended others for even talking about homosexuality... im embarrassed to have went there... so hypocritical and self righteous... i guess ive never seen the harm in gays... as long as people leave each other alone... ive kept in touch with a few ex gf's from those days, but even though my own niece and nephew go there, i dont care to ever attend any function there... i know a private school has the right to allow whoever they choose to attend, but kicking a kid out of school, in the middle of the year, because he liked boys instead of girls, is some bogus whoreshit..... its not like he was caught with another kid or anything...he didnt do anything wrong, they just went all holy roller on him...like the school board people dont sin on a daily basis...hypocrites ... small town, uneducated, country as fukk morals...disgraceful, imo.
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                                    • brainfreeze
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                                      #1103
                                      Originally posted by raydog
                                      im in tennessee too... there are over a dozen churches in a 5 mile radius of my house... crazy... such a money maker... but i agree, there are still a ton of old fashioned religious views that still linger in the southern states..they are fighting change

                                      if you care to look it up, i went to mid/high school at a small private school outside of the city... the school came under fire a few years ago because it was the first to outright ban gay kids from attending... kicked a kid out and suspended others for even talking about homosexuality... im embarrassed to have went there... so hypocritical and self righteous... i guess ive never seen the harm in gays... as long as people leave each other alone... ive kept in touch with a few ex gf's from those days, but even though my own niece and nephew go there, i dont care to ever attend any function there... i know a private school has the right to allow whoever they choose to attend, but kicking a kid out of school, in the middle of the year, because he liked boys instead of girls, is some bogus whoreshit..... its not like he was caught with another kid or anything...he didnt do anything wrong, they just went all holy roller on him...like the school board people dont sin on a daily basis...hypocrites ... small town, uneducated, country as fukk morals...disgraceful, imo.
                                      Your not getting it raydog, there's a difference between living in sin, and just sinning... When your life revolves around sin, your living in sin... As with homosexuals, there life is centered around lust for the same sex. They talk different, they dress different, they act different, that sin is a lifestyle, and it's a forbidden one. A righteous man might get drunk one night, he sinned... but his life isn't centered around alcohol.
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                                      • rkelly110
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                                        #1104
                                        Originally posted by brainfreeze
                                        Your not getting it raydog, there's a difference between living in sin, and just sinning... When your life revolves around sin, your living in sin... As with homosexuals, there life is centered around lust for the same sex. They talk different, they dress different, they act different, that sin is a lifestyle, and it's a forbidden one. A righteous man might get drunk one night, he sinned... but his life isn't centered around alcohol.
                                        That's the bad thing about the bible brain. It might say gays are the debil, but what would Christ do? Would he shun
                                        the gays? Would he touch them and make them whole or would he accept them for who they are? You know the answer.

                                        I find it disgusting myself, but I don't have to look at them if I don't want to.
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                                        • raydog
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                                          • 11-07-07
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                                          #1105
                                          Originally posted by brainfreeze
                                          Your not getting it raydog, there's a difference between living in sin, and just sinning... When your life revolves around sin, your living in sin... As with homosexuals, there life is centered around lust for the same sex. They talk different, they dress different, they act different, that sin is a lifestyle, and it's a forbidden one. A righteous man might get drunk one night, he sinned... but his life isn't centered around alcohol.
                                          its not something i care about seeing or being around either, but you are being very hypocritical and honestly, quite off base saying the way a gay person dresses or talks is a sin... you are making shit up to please yourself and your point...its only embarrassing yourself and making you look very insecure and homophobic
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                                          • brainfreeze
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                                            #1106
                                            Originally posted by raydog
                                            its not something i care about seeing or being around either, but you are being very hypocritical and honestly, quite off base saying the way a gay person dresses or talks is a sin... you are making shit up to please yourself and your point...its only embarrassing yourself and making you look very insecure and homophobic
                                            you're now just blurting stuff out because you have nothing to stand on here. As you said you don't like it, that's because you know it's wrong, it's fake. It's like calling a scuba diver a doctor because he put on a doctors jacket one day. Scuba man is not a doctor, so for me to call him one, I'd be condoning to a false reality. If you want to call a man a woman, that's up to you. I'm not going to be repetitive here though we've already discussed all this...
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                                            • bigtymer56
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                                              #1107
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                                              • brainfreeze
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                                                #1108
                                                Originally posted by brainfreeze
                                                I watched partial video of those Christians that were slaughtered along the shore.... Smh, they say their going to get Rome, Europe, and Usa .... OVER MY DEAD BODY will there be some shia law crap here, they think it will happen overtime. That more muslims are in these countries as Europeans have less children and every where else.

                                                https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmGRshS0PAw
                                                Guess God has His own way of dealing with things... Funny how they love to take pictures of the children, and not some of the terrorist groups in the area that blow themselves up all the time

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                                                • Fidel_CashFlow
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                                                  • 12-03-12
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                                                  #1109
                                                  "ball I command you, in the name of Jesus, make a good hit "



                                                  why the gutterball right after.... God backers ?
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                                                  • brainfreeze
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                                                    #1110
                                                    Originally posted by Fidel_CashFlow
                                                    "ball I command you, in the name of Jesus, make a good hit "



                                                    why the gutterball right after.... God backers ?
                                                    Don't know about the gutterball but she did Gods work in that building " the reason she was there "... Good post
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                                                    • raydog
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                                                      • 11-07-07
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                                                      #1111
                                                      have an acquaintance who will probably die soon.. he was in a wreck the other night and has been in a coma ever since...drs. say they arent sure... but all over my facebook are people praying for this and that and saying how good god is and how god will get him through this..yada yada whoreshit yada... your god allowed him to be put there... your god did the damage... but lets forget about all that and if he makes it (at least to a semi partial normal life), well, obviously it will be due to god... such a retarded theory im seriously ashamed that so many can think this way...

                                                      i understand that sending prayers or saying whatever is a way of being nice and giving hope and all, but you start talking about god healing a person and you totally lose me... if your god is the solution, then your god created the problem... there is no middle ground folks... its elementary and so many dont want to believe it...if god control all, then god brings the bad and the pain and the problem before LETTING BELIEVERS DOWN with meaningless unanswered prayers...

                                                      do right by others, the way you "think" a god would have you do and hope to receive the same in return... but to believe in a god, that created all and pulls all the strings, because of a 5000yr old book, is childish nonsense when you look at what all your supposed god puts people through...

                                                      the bible and god attempt to defy logic with impossibilities...impossibilities that we have never seen since they "supposedly" took place before and during the times of jc...
                                                      Last edited by raydog; 02-24-15, 11:22 AM.
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                                                      • Bostongambler
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                                                        #1112
                                                        Ur last line summed it up perfect Ray. " The bible and God defy logic". That's where miracles come in. The fact that we are living with a heart inside us that beats to send blood throughout our body defys logic.
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                                                        • raydog
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                                                          • 11-07-07
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                                                          #1113
                                                          i miswrote earlier...actually didnt even finish what i was going after...i had to edit... sorry...

                                                          i dont see living things as defying logic..perhaps christians need some basic middle school science/chemistry refresher courses to help them understand, but i do see the very simpleton point of view... the term "miracle" is greatly overused... again, you havent and wont see any of the "impossible feats" or "miracles" have you, that happened in the bible, happening today... in fact, you havent seen them since the bible... there really is no other explanation besides the bible is full of fictional bullshit... just my .02c
                                                          Last edited by raydog; 02-24-15, 11:23 AM.
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                                                          • muldoon
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                                                            #1114
                                                            Originally posted by Bostongambler
                                                            Ur last line summed it up perfect Ray. " The bible and God defy logic". That's where miracles come in. The fact that we are living with a heart inside us that beats to send blood throughout our body defys logic.
                                                            Logic is primarily the domain of math, philosophy and comp sci.

                                                            How does having a heart defy logic?
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                                                            • brainfreeze
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                                                              #1115
                                                              Originally posted by raydog
                                                              i miswrote earlier...actually didnt even finish what i was going after...i had to edit... sorry...

                                                              i dont see living things as defying logic..perhaps christians need some basic middle school science/chemistry refresher courses to help them understand, but i do see the very simpleton point of view... the term "miracle" is greatly overused... again, you havent and wont see any of the "impossible feats" or "miracles" have you, that happened in the bible, happening today... in fact, you havent seen them since the bible... there really is no other explanation besides the bible is full of fictional bullshit... just my .02c
                                                              The flesh is uncertain, we don't know when God will call our number, why we should live everyday likes it's our last. Enjoy what God has given us, life is beautiful. I'm sorry to hear about your friend, and I will pray for him also, but it should really have you thinking, your friends aren't dumb for praying for him, and you shouldn't feel dumb doing the same. Why not just drop the hatred and all your so called " logical " thinking and just believe !! God loves you raydog ! There's things that defy logic everyday, like the 28 year old that was found crushed in his truck between two 18 wheelers without a scratch, we couldn't simulate that to happen if we tried a million times. We can't explain everything away, like bg said the human body, or the universe even earth and it's laws, these are signs of God, He spoke it in to existence with sound. Some know the secrets of intelligence, do you think these people that built pyramids were just dumb ? Things happen raydog.... That defy logic.
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                                                              • brainfreeze
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                                                                • 05-13-14
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                                                                #1116
                                                                Here's a few solid videos that helped me on my path of thinking out of the box, He's for sure still one of my favorites to listen to now and again, William " bill " Cooper ... He predicted 9/11 and was also killed in 2001 by so called " police ". The struggle is real people...

                                                                https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CEsesnzDBvA - Bill predicted 9/11 not copycat Alex Jones...


                                                                https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_e3Cnn7KGHE - fast forward to the 20min mark, it gets good... This is after they took Bill's life when this video was produced, God bless his soul.. Please pay attention to what he's talking about, this stuff is no joke..
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                                                                • Bostongambler
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                                                                  #1117
                                                                  Originally posted by muldoon
                                                                  Logic is primarily the domain of math, philosophy and comp sci.

                                                                  How does having a heart defy logic?
                                                                  More so how does it beat? And I know science will attempt to explain it away with pulmonary functions and the like. But what/who was the architect of this. Did we create ourselves?
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                                                                  • muldoon
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                                                                    #1118
                                                                    Originally posted by Bostongambler
                                                                    More so how does it beat? And I know science will attempt to explain it away with pulmonary functions and the like. But what/who was the architect of this. Did we create ourselves?
                                                                    Wait. So not having the ability to watch all of biological history via time lapse means that there has to have been an architect?

                                                                    You show your hand as to your close mindedness with this statement right here

                                                                    "I know science will attempt to explain it away"

                                                                    Much is revealed by your inference that regardless of the hypothesis or proof provided it - you already know it'll go opposite of your ILLOGICAL supernatural beliefs. Thus, it's discarded as just being "explained away".

                                                                    The fact that you (or I) can't detail the exact evolution of how single cell organisms came to develop into multi-cell ones with beating hearts, doesn't mean that

                                                                    A) It'll never be explained
                                                                    B) It can't be explained
                                                                    C) It had to have been a supernatural being behind it all.

                                                                    As far as "did we create ourselves" -have you ever considered the possibility that life, much like the universe, has always existed in some form and just constantly evolves?

                                                                    Why does there have to be a beginning? Because we witness individuals arrive and then leave (born and die) - why does it mean the same has to apply to life in general or the universe?

                                                                    Time is a measurement. Maybe it's closer to being a line than a ray or segment. Exists in both directions for
                                                                    Last edited by muldoon; 02-24-15, 01:21 PM.
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                                                                    • Bostongambler
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                                                                      #1119
                                                                      Why does there have to be a beginning? Because we witness individuals arrive and then leave (born and die) - why does it mean the same has to apply to life in general or the universe?



                                                                      So it's ok for u to make an "no logical " statement, but someone else can't do the same only in a different direction. I see.


                                                                      I just always try to catch myself and think that maybe we aren't supposed to have all the answers for whatever reasons. Think what u want cuz who really knows anyway. I just believe there is a higher being, or some sort of level that we can't even phatam.
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                                                                      • muldoon
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                                                                        #1120
                                                                        Originally posted by Bostongambler
                                                                        Why does there have to be a beginning? Because we witness individuals arrive and then leave (born and die) - why does it mean the same has to apply to life in general or the universe?



                                                                        So it's ok for u to make an "no logical " statement, but someone else can't do the same only in a different direction. I see.


                                                                        I just always try to catch myself and think that maybe we aren't supposed to have all the answers for whatever reasons. Think what u want cuz who really knows anyway. I just believe there is a higher being, or some sort of level that we can't even phatam.
                                                                        How is my statement not logical (and it was a question)? I asked why we can't entertain the possibility that time is only a measurement (and therefore has no beginning or end).

                                                                        You automatically assume things have an architect (implying an intelligence behind them). There's a difference.
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