No matter what happens, one will always think they can explain something away, I know a man that gets very emotional when you ask him his story, and the outer body experience he had. I don't need to buy a book, I have a story of my own but you wave it off, and that's completely up to you to do so. You wave off fulfilled prophecies, and even Israel. Thing about opinion and choice... Everybody has one.
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You don't believe in God period, and these aren't christian beliefs, as I have proven, so now your just being confusing.. I corrected what stuck out, now since we know part of it is wrong, one can go do their own research on the rest. Oh, I remember another part that's wrong, by faith and grace and not by works alone " young man helping old lady across street " here's another, being rich, you can't get to heaven, what was King David ?? The whole video is bogus...I'm not going to keep going, tell that guy to do some research and not be repetitive as a parrot, with everyone else.Comment -
obviously, some stuff was taken out of context.. it was meant to poke fun, but honestly, are they really doing anything different than christians do? by that, i mean reading scripture and recycling it the way they understand it? for the most part, doesnt everyone decipher scripture a little bit differently? seems like no matter what it actually says, its twisted to achieve whatever point the believer is trying to make... too many contradictions for my personal tasteComment -
…15and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. 17You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness,Comment -
which the untaught and unstable distort.. i love that part... i wonder how much scripture is grossly misinterpreted and taught incorrectly, but still sounds good and pleases the masses... i bet its a lot... i dont mean that in a bad way, the book is extremely difficult to understand at times... had to be a bitch to write...
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A lot of it is, like preachers agreeing with a sinful lifestyle or prosperity preachers, there's many wolves in sheep clothing. Doesn't mean some of their followers won't go to heaven. God doesn't live in a building, He lives in the peoples hearts and minds that follow His voice. If one is faithful and follows Gods Word then they're going to heaven, no matter the building.
God is centered around love, if one loves God then he will love even his enemies, on this the rest of the law hangs, we wouldn't steal, kill, covet from someone we love.
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1/5 americans now have no religious affiliation and its rising every day thanks to the continual advancements that science has made into reality and will continue to do so...
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Yea, fun, exciting right ? ... Make sure you learn mandarin, modern standard arabic and turkish recommended, your children will need it when Christianity declines.
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.Comment -
You folks and science... I could say science has no integrity, the way it's presented anyway.. Prophecy has came to pass, fact. Science changes with the time, and they've been getting everything wrong through the centuries, http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-most-f...o-be-wrong.php
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Too dumb or the more likely explanation ... we don't need to
I speak a foreign language and I find it stupid when people try to hate on Americans about stuff like language and worldliness, as if we wouldn't know 3 languages if it meant our economic survival and prosperity. It's just a stupid idea and from where does it come? Hating the big kid on the block.
Why do people hate on America? We're the Yankees. Why? We win and have all the money.
I've always said it (and I hate the Yankees).
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One day it's Big Bang... The next, no bang... Smh,
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These are facts... What are you talking about ?
Gullible, ignorant, and crazy... This is what I get from you guys every other post. Nothing of significance or substance, just name calling. Sad really..Comment -
Exactly. This latest THEORY finally meshes with what I have hoped could some day be mathematically proven. That being, that MAYBE the universe has always existed (something some Eastern philosophies and even writers like H.G. Wells have postulated)
To actually grasp this new THEORY, one must be willing to learn even rudimentary quantum mathematics.
So funny how the crowd that go into full clapping seal mode are fine with stories of talking donkeys, people living inside "great fish", Noah's ark - will smack their heads when science postulates a THEORY.
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A couple of days ago I was given bad news, the feeling that came over me was something i wouldn't want to repeat. I think we r def a procuct of something special, god etc..too much natural reactions and such to events that are part of us and not something that is learned.Comment -
How do you make the leap from a bad feeling to god?
We live as lottery winners compared to the majority of the world. Either under the thumb of oppressive governments, or surrounded by disease, poverty, crime etc.
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Every single event has 2 sides or more of opinions and theories. From the 911 attacks, to war in Iraq, to god and universe and weather the super bowl or whatever was fixed. People saying that god is not a part of us etc will just be another theory and such just as the others are. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz6mqa1s21sComment -
That girl in the video is just one of many who was abused and manipulated by this guy
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A formerly prominent pediatrician known for research on near-death experiences in children has been sentenced to three years in prison for waterboarding his girlfriend's daughter.Comment -
Means nothing, here's a cell biologist, guess she was manipulated as well ?http://bibleprobe.com/nde.htmThat girl in the video is just one of many who was abused and manipulated by this guy
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Just so everyone knows, there are new age movements out there that will confuse and distort truth, bringing with them a false peace, and love, false sense of spirituality. Oprah is part of that movement
1 John 4:1 - Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
This guy from youtube left the movement and knows exactly what I'm talking about..
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Yeah Muldoon, you make a great point. I already jumped on some for not really understanding the definition of theory. I believe I pointed out the Theory of Gravity.
There are others who are equally as guilty of not knowing biblical teachings and the difference between religions and, well, non-religion.
You see, not everyone is strong in science but that really isn't the point here. It's true that not everyone is strong in faith, or even the word of God, but that's also not the point.
The fact that, religion aside, the word of God doesn't change and science does change only goes to emphasize the points of you and Brainfreeze.
But one of the reasons I chimed in earlier was that the product of science (as empirical inquiry) and math do not have to be opposed to the existence of God. They simply don’t.
In fact, they even have similarities. After all, the believer in God will admit he needs faith while many, but not all, men of science don’t recognize how much faith they are putting into their work. My Point is that both “sides” require faith.
It's a shame, but not surprising, that both "sides" keep regressing to this juvenile viewpoint of science vs God.
Brainfreeze makes a good point. As we've watched him wield a sword and provide varied response after response, it seems, with the exception of some posts, that the "other side" is running out of arguments, resorting to unproductive posts.
I guess, for some, it’s an attempt to derail someone’s faith…for some. And it too could be said that Brainfreeze’s underlying premise is a bit repetitive, but it’s a simple one and seems to the one on the “defensive.” This gives it a bit of leniency here.
I'm a man of both science and faith. I can also beat the sports betting marketplace and understand that to do so you must often divorce yourself from cultural influences. It has taken years to learn how to use common information in a unique way, as it currently misused by most of the marketplace. Culture plays a big part in why many lose and why I often get some of that money.
My point is that most are in the forest, but only see trees. To succeed at sports betting I’ve had to climb a few trees and recognize the forest below. I encourage posters to not only educate themselves, but climb some trees and recognize that there is a forest below. And in that forest are many who are focused on trees.
Never forget the possibility that there is something you don’t know. Stay humble regardless of “side.”
If some of this was too much for the reader, the let me tell you how I’m teaching my children:
The Christian who doesn’t believe in science is uneducated.
The scientist who doesn’t believe in God simply hasn’t found the Lord.
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GOD
1. Cosmological Argument
The term “cosmological” comes from the Greek word “kosmos” which means “world.”
The cosmological argument for God’s existence goes like this: The world could not exist on its own so there must have been a first cause that brought it into being. This first cause is God.Or put another way, the universe could not just exist on its own—someone or something must have made it. This cause of the universe is God.
Three criticisms of the cosmological argument have been offered. First, some say matter is eternal and is not in need of a “first cause.” Second, some say “If everything needs a cause, what caused God?” Third, some say that even if it is true that some being caused our universe to exist, this does not prove the existence of the Christian God. All it shows is that there is some powerful being that created the universe, but this does not necessarily mean that this creator was the God of the Bible.
2. Teleological Argument
The teleological argument is also known as “the argument from design” (The Greek word “telos” means “purpose” or “design.”). The argument goes like this: The universe evidences great complexity or design; thus, it must have been designed by a great Designer or God.
The argument from design can be likened to a watch. A watch is obviously made by a watchmaker. The world, which is much more complex than a watch, must also have been designed by a great Designer or Divine Watchmaker (God).
In sum, the teleological argument asserts that the universe evidences too much complexity to be the product of random chance. We know that the celestial bodies move with perfect accuracy in their orbits. Our bodies, too, are incredibly complex. According to the teleological argument, there’s just no way all this complexity could “just happen.” God must have created it all.
There have been three responses to the teleological argument. First, some say the teleological argument is guilty of a “weak analogy” because it assumes a significant resemblance between natural objects (ex. rocks, trees) and objects we know have been designed (ex. watches, skyscrapers). Thus, comparing natural objects with objects we know have been created by humans is like comparing apples and oranges. The analogy just doesn’t work. Second, some say that the theories of the big bang and evolution better explain the complexity in the universe. Third, some say that even if the teleological argument is true, it does not prove the existence of the Christian God.
3. Ontological Argument
The third argument for God’s existence is the ontological argument. This argument is unlike the cosmological and teleological arguments in that it does not argue from evidence in the natural world. Thus, it is not a “cause and effect” argument.
The ontological argument can be stated in this way: “God is the greatest being imaginable. One of the aspects of perfection or greatness is existence. Thus, God exists.” Or put another way—“The fact that God can be conceived means that he must exist.”
This argument for God’s existence was developed by the twelfth century theologian and philosopher, Anselm. It is based on Anselm’s declaration that God is “that which nothing greater can be conceived.”
The ontological argument has been very controversial. Even many who believe in God’s existence question its validity. A contemporary of Anselm named Guanilo responded to Anselm. Guanilo said that one could imagine a perfect island but that did not mean a perfect island exists. Others have said you can imagine a unicorn but that does not mean unicorns exist. Thus, many challenge the idea that the idea of God must mean that God exists.
4. Moral Law Argument
Another argument for the existence of God is the moral law argument. It goes like this: Without God morality would be impossible. There must be a Lawgiver (God) who originates and stands by moral law. A universal moral law cannot exist accidentally. There must be a basis behind it—God.
According to this view, every person is born with an inherent understanding of right and wrong. Everyone, for instance, understands that killing an innocent person is wrong. Everyone understands that helping a drowning person is right. Where did this internal understanding of right and wrong come from? According to adherents of the moral law argument, this understanding comes from God. He put it into the hearts of every person.
There have been two responses to the moral law argument. First, some deny that there are universal truths. Many today believe that truth is subjective and relative. Societies and individuals determine what is true for them, but there is no God that does this. Second, some say that the presence of evil in the world argues against a Moral Lawgiver. If God is all-powerful and all-good, how can evil exist in the world?
The arguments and counterarguments for God’s existence remain controversial. The cosmological, teleological, and moral law arguments remain popular with Christian apologists today. The ontological argument is not as well received although some today still asserts its validity.
It should be noted that most Christian theologians and philosophers believe that God never intended for his existence to be something that could be proven with 100% certainty. They point out that faith is an important component in understanding God and his existence.
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I never said science is bad, God created the world and the things in it. If we study the world and relate truths from it, I have no problem, but it's already been tainted with tons of lies. The way it's presented with evolution and the whole lot is a problem. They've twisted science to a belief structure apart from God. Philosophy of numbers can be deceiving as well, I take Gods Words over any number....and I'm only repetitive when I need to be, I'm polite in that way and I never said I was some Harvard scientist but thank you for the compliments on my knowledge of the Word of God.
Perhaps there is a distinction between reality and the tools we use to describe that reality. Mathematics is such a tool; it is a human construct, and while it may exist in our minds, the nature of its existence is so fundementally different that to equate the two would be fallacy, as you implied concerning the difference between Mathematics and apples.
You admit that you can't prove that the #1 exists as anything other than a concept, but I can prove that apples exist absent one's conception of them. But suppose you do prove such a thing, and I merely presume that 1 is a way to describe an apple. I can have 1 apple, then grab another, and you would say I have 2 apples. The problem is that not all apples are the same; so in this case, 1 apple does not equal 1 apple. When mathematics is applied to situations, 1+1 is not equal to two. But the truth of 1 + 1 = 2 seems undeniable because numbers do not exist as anything other than an idea....one that is meaningless unless applied. But you can say this is unfair or whatever, the point is that the human mind is easily capable of tricking itself into thinking that it "knows" reality, and any evil deceiver with the angelic powers would be able to exploit this.Comment -
Not just God's words you take.I take Gods Words over any number.
8th commandment...thou shall not steal
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Mr. Freeze I consider you to be a very solid poster here at SBR. Your body of work speaks for itself.
Edit...or maybe someone else's body of work...lol...Give credit where it's due Mr. Freeze. Although the post before yours is clearly copied, yours implies that you wrote it.
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Obviously I didn't write the bottom half... It has words like " you said apples and mathematics " and so fourth, natural Sherlock you are, I said I wouldn't be responding to you, so I rather just make broad statements for everyone to take point of.
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Again, what does that have to do with what was said, God the glory, the info stands...Mr. Freeze I consider you to be a very solid poster here at SBR. Your body of work speaks for itself.
Edit...or maybe someone else's body of work...lol...Give credit where it's due Mr. Freeze. Although the post before yours is clearly copied, yours implies that you wrote it.
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