Actually there is more historical evidence about the life of Jesus than other man in history for the first 1000 years AD. Not just in the bible either. There are Roman writings about Jesus as well. I can tell you have not researched this at all by your comment "no evidence to support".
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There is no reason to not believe that there was ever a "Jesus" You don't need scientific proof to dispute that. Nor would you need any reason to along with some of the other characters in the stories. I don't think the existence of someone named "Jesus" has any relevance at all. For all we know he was a slight of hand street magician that easily fooled the stupid and naive.
I am talking about the amazingly outrageous stories in the bible that have no factual evidence of ever happening. Like some guy on a huge boat with 2 of every animal. The geographical barriers alone make this impossible.
Could you imagine being an astronomer back then? Here is a scenario: You know there will be a solar eclipse tomorrow at 12:30 P.M. so you tell everyone "If you do not obey my laws, I will take the sun away" and then at 12:30 the eclipse happens and everyone loses their minds and worships you and writes stories about you. Easy to fool on the naive and weak minded people.Comment -
Whoa.
Way off base, pal.
Many sources document Jesus' life.
The ark isn't hard to believe at all. Especially when you have God Himself instructing Noah nearly every step of the way.
What is hard to believe is that apes turn into humans. What is hard to believe is to continue to believe in a fallacy like evolution in the face of the actual fossil record.
Fact: There is more concrete evidence to support the Biblical account of Creation than there is to support the notion of evolution.
Do the research for yourself.
Also, again I will point out to you that just because something is old does not mean it came from people who were unsophisticated.
You want to see something that completely fukk with your mind?
Google "Puma Punku".
Explain how ancients were able to build it and we can't even comprehend something like that today.Comment -
If you guys enjoy reading the Bible, then you may be interested in this.
There is a story in here about about a rabbit racing a turtle that is more believable than 99% of the stories in the bible.
It really doesn't surprise me that so many people still believe in the bible in this day and age, afterall, there are people that will also argue the Criss Angel can really walk up the side of a building and fly.Comment -
I truly do not even know what you are arguing. I guess I can see your point about some of the stories in the Bible that are hard to believe. Then again you tried to denounce Jesus as a Magician or Astronomer way ahead of his time? So he was just so far advanced that he was able to swindle the naive? To the point of where people were put to death for spreading word of his preaching and resurrection? If that is the extremist view you are willing to take, then that is your own free will to think that way. However, I tend to believe Jesus was not the first and most popular Houdini who just happened to fullfill prophecies from prophets hundreds of years before he even walked the earth and somehow convinced followers to risk death for some types of optical illusions I assume you refer to. I wonder what kind of magic he did to convince Paul to believe in his message? Since Paul had persecuted the early apostles for heracy about Jesus but then only to change his entire path of his life because he seen the resurrected Jesus. That is some magic my friend!Comment -
When you google that, the majority of the topics that come up are about debunking it.
It's amazing what thousands of people can accomplish if they work together.Comment -
I am not saying Jesus was an astronomer, I am saying that an astronomer back then could easily manipulate the simple minded slaves. Anyone with superior intelligence would have an edge on the majority of the population.Comment -
That work of fiction is almost as good as this one....If you guys enjoy reading the Bible, then you may be interested in this.
There is a story in here about about a rabbit racing a turtle that is more believable than 99% of the stories in the bible.
It really doesn't surprise me that so many people still believe in the bible in this day and age, afterall, there are people that will also argue the Criss Angel can really walk up the side of a building and fly.
written by an english madman who had mental problems and a brain disease LOL
At least Aesop's Fables were written by a genius.Comment -
Yeah, but evolution is something that modern man has actually seen and continues to see everyday. Even we as humans are evolving.Comment -
The Christian God is just pure 100% evil. Read his freakin book sometimes - all of it.
Check out 1 Chronicles, 21:9-14. Dude kills 70,000 men over a freakin census.
Or what about Deuteronomy 3:1-7? 60 cities, destroyed, every man, woman AND child murdered; all the cities plundered. And why? So that the Israelites could live there. What made it happen? God. It says so right there in his book!
And for the 3rd proof of just how evil the Christian God is, check out Judges 21:10-24. This oh-so-passionate God ordered the slaughter of every person of this town, except for all the chicks who were virgins. Those chicks were raped and forced to marry. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife.
Pure 100% evil. Direct from his own book. Christians should really, REALLY read this book. It's supposedly God's Word. It's supposed to be infallible. They should really think long and hard if they want to worship a God who is so incredibly evil. His Word/Book is full of it. Just read the damn thing!Comment -
I disagree. We are not evolving. We are born human and we will die human.
The fact is, it is creation that happens on a daily basis, not evolution. Everything from babies being born to non biological things that run the gamut of things in the world, creation is the thing that happens.Comment -
Numerous scriptures in the New Testament command that the laws of the Old Testament should be adhered to. I know that Christians state that Christ died for our sins and washed away all that bad, evil stuff, but clearly, that wasn't so. Again, read the damn book - all of it.Last edited by chilidog; 03-03-14, 04:57 PM.Comment -
Man can now clone humans.
No way can God exist........
He would never let cloning happen NEVER.....
He killed droves of people for just partying and having orgies for fukks sake.Comment -
Can't believe we're gone so far in our and this is still a debate, mostly between believers of a supreme being and not so much so.
I believe in this "God" myself, but you're kidding me twice over if you think that I believe in creationism.
I'm not going to convince anyone as to where in the spectrum they belong on evolution, but it's pretty easy to create agnostics, and atheists based on the astounding proof of science. Why anyone wouldn't just believe that hermanuetics and folklore of the day could just be that, story's, and myths passed on that say, "God created, and it took a while" is beyond me.
If creationism is so important, why didn't that cool hippie dude Jesus mention it? The bible is a book of redemption and faith, not a science text.
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Jesus was not a cool hippy dude. His father was a jewish rabbi, no I'm not talking about "God", but his real father. Jesus himself (I know he never existed, but I am stating the line in the bible) was a jewish rabbi who took on a mission from a rabbinical council to create an organization that would divert the loyalties of the non-jew's from the non-jewish leadership.
This is all christianity is, a program designed and administered to turn the people away from there real leader's into the hand's of the jewish slave master's.Last edited by lucullus; 03-03-14, 06:57 PM.Comment -
Most religions in the world, even the ones without anything at stake to say hippie dude Jesus existed, existed. Many humanists, secularists, and agnostics and atheists even acknowledge that the guy existed... son of God notwithstanding...
I would say that it's a better chance to say that most people agree he was a historical figure, than not. -500 or better IMO...Comment -
Your first sentence is an example of a horrible attempt at a good piece of writing. In regards to your statement, you want me to believe that since a majority (even that piece of evidence you provide is a farce) holds it to be true, that it is?
This debate will go in circles if people don't recognize and retain the information from the histories of this thread. Christian propaganda, as we all know, has been shoved in every one's face since day one.Comment -
Christian propaganda has been shoved into people's faces since day one?
Get the fukk out of here with your bullshit, pussy.
Your lucky you ain't here in the streets because your ass would get carried into the ambulance on a stretcher.
The early Christians were hunted like dogs and died martyrs for their faith.
This faith was paid for in buckets and buckets of innocent blood.
There was no propaganda bitch. They were true believers.
Unlike your worthless ass.
Lucullus-Another example of why England and the English are the world's biggest pieces of shit.Comment -
lets remember we agreed to be civil....
do the research.....
The DNA we have is virtually the same as a squirrels.
We only use 10% of our DNA by design.
We are unrealized potential and blocked by some sloppy genetic engineering like the (DOS) that runs computers....
The DNA record shows a quantum jump between the Neandetrhal and modern Man that simply doesn't happen that fast unless the DNA is manipulated by beings who wanted to limit the imagination of their slave race, us.
They used their DNA and hacked out all the higher order things you don't want in a slave race.
We were not designed to understand the infinite, how could we?
People come close every now and again.
All I know it that love is real and god is love so why is the bible so long?
it should be a 5 word book, god is love, be loving
And that we are all part of the same consciousness experiencing itself from different angles to learn more about life in all its forms.
The quakers have it right.
There's a little god in everyone of us.
the animists have it right, there is a spirit in rocks and trees and stars and nothingness.
the buddhists have it right about ego being the destroyer.
anything you think you understand is great
and you are probably right, heres your cookie
but it is only a partial truth
your brain is only designed to understand part of the truth
like the three blind men examining an elephant
one got the tail, one the trunk and some other part of the anatomy and they were all so wise and so used to being right that they didn't understand higher truths due to ego
just a part of a bigger picture
we can ALL be right because we are all made of stars
bill and ted had it right,
be excellent to each other
laugh more.
wearent designed to understand the infinite any more than a chicken can beat me in tic tac toe
THAT HAPPENED
love one another,
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The most repressive, violent, and misogynistic states are ruled by religious leaders and their sheep. Why is that philly? Why is their make believe worse than yours?Comment -
Delusional
Simply put...
Religion gives people the ability to claim to know things they cannot know.
Phillyflyer, what you are essentially saying to a guy like stephen hawking is "look stephen, i know youre a pretty smart guy....i see you have a bunch of equations over there but I dont think you understand. It says right here (points to genesis) how it all happened"
It is also ironic how CONVINCED many religious people are, no matter what their religion. How convenient for you that you were raised in a christian family and have the "right" god.....too bad for the billions of people who were born to the wrong family.
Think about this:
1.) God engineers the birth of millions of children to muslim families every year
2.) He has engineered their isolation and thus circular ignorance of teaching their religion from generation to generation
3.) Finally, God engineers the penalty of eternal fire for a situation he started
There are many paradoxes that go along with an omnipotent and omniscient being.
- Can God create a rock so big that even He cant lift it?....think about either answer, because they both logically prove he cannot exit.
- We see millions of children die every year under the age of 5. God has the ability to save them and ye he doesnt. This has only two possible answers. 1.) He has the ability to save them and chooses not to which makes him malevolent or 2.) he cannot save them, in which case, why call him god?
As stated many times in this thread, the need to insert god for the workings of the universe is becoming smaller and smaller the more we test and understand it ourselves.
Science is always adapting and willing to accept new evidence while religion is stuck with the same book. A book that people feel confident in picking the "right" passages to live their life by....how ironic is it that you have successfully found all the literal senses of the bible and all the metaphors?
I highly looking up Carl Sagans "Dragon in my garage" storyLast edited by PDX12; 03-07-14, 03:07 AM.Comment -
Stephen Hawking is an atheist. So was Carl Sagan.
Do you really think you are going to get an objective opinion from them?
Also, the problem with theorists like Hawking and Sagan is they never have any answers only guesses.
A great example was that Hawking for years speculated about black holes. Recently, he came out and said they might not exist LOL.
Can't make up their fukking minds because what they actually know for a fact is next to nothing.
They never have any concrete answers.Comment -
My old college math teacher believed in big bang and creation. You can believe in big bang without believing one derived from apes.Comment -
He changes his mind because he is willing to accept new evidence.....something at the foundation of science.
Whats funny is that if you resurrected someone from the 12th century they would be a complete ignoramus in all discourse EXCEPT religion. He would have pretty much the same beliefs as you about our origins yet he would be a retard by todays standards in regards to engineering, mathematics, chemistry (alchemy as they called it), etc. etc.
So we got religion and our origins correct 2 thousand years ago but are still adapting our knowledge in every other facet? I highly doubt it.
you do realize the bible was written by people well after the gospels died? They should be viewed as the gospel ACCORDING to Mark, Luke etc. not FROM them. Essentially a bunch of hand-me-down tales similar to a game of telephone. Also it is funny that you believe the old testament genesis as the story of our creation yet you disregard other old testament scripture....such as those which are ok with slaverly, execution for imaginary crimes like witchcraft and claim that only new testament is relevant. So old testament is bad as a moral compass but right as a historical event?
Isnt it also ironic how different cultures tend to build the same stories about our creator even though they were completely isolated during the creation of said religion?
I personally think religion is an adaptation within the human brain to lessen the fear and anxiety of death. Once we as humans became self aware that we live and we die, there was a great amount of fear and anxiety associated with it so the human brain developed a mechanism to cope with those feelings. This coping mechanism lent reassurance to those who needed it and since people used to be so gullible (needless to say many people are still gullible *AHEM* looking at your) they would believe eachothers ludicrous stories.
If God created the sun on the 4th day, how had 3 days passed.....? A day is a revolution of earth with a sunrise and sunset.
Why did God create plants on the 3rd day before creating the sun? Plants need vitamin D from the sun to perform photosynthesis.
And thanks for not responding to the paradoxes i put forthLast edited by PDX12; 03-07-14, 04:32 PM.Comment
