Let The Debate Begin: EVOLUTION VS CREATIONISM

[Footy4Jesus]

So is the decay rate of carbon-14 genius.

I also believe this to be true. If God is eternal, than where is the problem with believing the earth is 5 billion years old? Just because humans can barely grasp that number, doesn't make it impossible. 5 billions years would seem like a blink of an eye to an eternal God. Now although this seems to contradict Genesis at first, I don't see it that way. You can take the 7 days of Gods creation literally, but through time and translations of words from hebrew, to greek, to the languages we have now, those 7 days representing periods make a lot of sense. A day is an earthly measurement of time using the suns cycle of setting and rising. A day could mean something much different if we were on another planet or celestial body or even just floating through space. People back then had no knowledge of the theory of relativity.

Also, the seven days of creation are amazingly similar to how science tries to explain evolution through the big bang theory. How could they just come up with this thousands of years ago and it actually still makes sense today?

Light(Day 1), Gas/Water/Vapor(Day 2), solids(Day 3), stability of celestial bodies(Day 4), sea creatures and birds(Day 5), land animals then man(Day 6). Then God rested ( Day 7). People would of had to receive some kind of knowledge not from this world so long ago to get this correct.

[lucullus]

I also believe this to be true. If God is eternal, than where is the problem with believing the earth is 5 billion years old? Just because humans can barely grasp that number, doesn't make it impossible. 5 billions years would seem like a blink of an eye to an eternal God. Now although this seems to contradict Genesis at first, I don't see it that way. You can take the 7 days of Gods creation literally, but through time and translations of words from hebrew, to greek, to the languages we have now, those 7 days representing periods make a lot of sense. A day is an earthly measurement of time using the suns cycle of setting and rising. A day could mean something much different if we were on another planet or celestial body or even just floating through space. People back then had no knowledge of the theory of relativity.

Also, the seven days of creation are amazingly similar to how science tries to explain evolution through the big bang theory. How could they just come up with this thousands of years ago and it actually still makes sense today?

Light(Day 1), Gas/Water/Vapor(Day 2), solids(Day 3), stability of celestial bodies(Day 4), sea creatures and birds(Day 5), land animals then man(Day 6). Then God rested ( Day 7). People would of had to receive some kind of knowledge not from this world so long ago to get this correct.

Clever christian propagandist aren't you

[bigtymer56]

Went to a funeral service of a bishop today.

Service was:
5% praying
10% remembering the guy that died(and more than half of that was from the family)
10% singing
10% clergy members shouting each other out (nobody giving a fuk about the pastor from the church 2 blocks away)
65% talking about how great god is (keep in mind the guy that died battled diabetes and had to do dialysis most of his life, recently had surgery to have a few toes amputated, then died a week later of a heart attack at 49, few days later his mom passed away)...but if u dont dedicate ur life to being on his dick, ur gonna get ****** up in the afterlife.

Some of the highlights:
A woman talking about how she had a heart attack and died but after kinda seeing god underwater he sent her back. Had to come back to stop people from penetrating animals and girls from trying to be prom kings....

A guy during his eulogy being on the verge of breaking down for about 10 mins straight but never actually getting there...even managed to get a song in.

The preacher talking in tongues every few mins.

Lost count of how many times i bit on my tongue to keep from laughing. But then i would look around people were eating it up(except for the family)...felt like i was being punked.

Grew up in churches like that...was a reminder y i stopped fuking with them. Couldnt even tell if they actually liked the guy or just had tolerated him because he was another clergymember. Gotta give them credit though, mf'ers can put on a show.

[Footy4Jesus]

Clever christian propagandist aren't you

Dude just go away already. You are like a flea.

[Footy4Jesus]

Went to a funeral service of a bishop today.

Service was:
5% praying
10% remembering the guy that died(and more than half of that was from the family)
10% singing
10% clergy members shouting each other out (nobody giving a fuk about the pastor from the church 2 blocks away)
65% talking about how great god is (keep in mind the guy that died battled diabetes and had to do dialysis most of his life, recently had surgery to have a few toes amputated, then died a week later of a heart attack at 49, few days later his mom passed away)...but if u dont dedicate ur life to being on his dick, ur gonna get ****** up in the afterlife.

Some of the highlights:
A woman talking about how she had a heart attack and died but after kinda seeing god underwater he sent her back. Had to come back to stop people from penetrating animals and girls from trying to be prom kings....

A guy during his eulogy being on the verge of breaking down for about 10 mins straight but never actually getting there...even managed to get a song in.

The preacher talking in tongues every few mins.

Lost count of how many times i bit on my tongue to keep from laughing. But then i would look around people were eating it up(except for the family)...felt like i was being punked.

Grew up in churches like that...was a reminder y i stopped fuking with them. Couldnt even tell if they actually liked the guy or just had tolerated him because he was another clergymember. Gotta give them credit though, mf'ers can put on a show.

Pentecostal by chance?

I grew up in a church like that and it drove me away, too. It was too hooked on personal feelings and signs like tongues and slain in spirit to prove God was real that it all felt so fake. Because it is. Its mysticism, not Christianity. Same thing as that guy who just died dancing with snakes. He got what he had coming to him. If you read the bible, its obvious these kinds of churches have got way off track, lead people astray, and hurt peoples faith to a point of no longer having any faith at all.

[lucullus]

Pentecostal by chance?

I grew up in a church like that and it drove me away, too. It was too hooked on personal feelings and signs like tongues and slain in spirit to prove God was real that it all felt so fake. Because it is. Its mysticism, not Christianity. Same thing as that guy who just died dancing with snakes. He got what he had coming to him. If you read the bible, its obvious these kinds of churches have got way off track, lead people astray, and hurt peoples faith to a point of no longer having any faith at all.

Here is another example of how they will always shift there position when they face reasonable argument's, fact's, and data against there program. The guy has a thousand way's to answer, all filled with some emotional ridden bullshit. He has done this through out the entire thread.

[Footy4Jesus]

Here is another example of how they will always shift there position when they face reasonable argument's, fact's, and data against there program. The guy has a thousand way's to answer, all filled with some emotional ridden bullshit. He has done this through out the entire thread.

And you have contributed nothing! All you do is attack me personally without giving ANY insight into why you feel the way you do. If you are so solid in your belief that there is no God, then why don't you spend some more time on your posts laying out your thoughts instead of acting like a child? Do you have an argument at all? I'm still waiting to hear something intelligent come from you, because it seems that your only weapon is your hate.

[lucullus]

Yes, go ahead and ignore all the fact's, event's and scientific evidence I have presented through out my many, many post's here. I am not debating directly with you, but with your propaganda and lies you have strewn through out this whole thread. I know you are a troll and other's know this as well.

[Bruce Norris]

Yes, go ahead and ignore all the fact's, event's and scientific evidence I have presented through out my many, many post's here. I am not debating directly with you, but with your propaganda and lies you have strewn through out this whole thread. I know you are a troll and other's know this as well.

Days later, you still can't grasp the concept of an apostrophe. Mind boggling.

[brooks85]

I also believe this to be true. If God is eternal, than where is the problem with believing the earth is 5 billion years old? Just because humans can barely grasp that number, doesn't make it impossible. 5 billions years would seem like a blink of an eye to an eternal God. Now although this seems to contradict Genesis at first, I don't see it that way. You can take the 7 days of Gods creation literally, but through time and translations of words from hebrew, to greek, to the languages we have now, those 7 days representing periods make a lot of sense. A day is an earthly measurement of time using the suns cycle of setting and rising. A day could mean something much different if we were on another planet or celestial body or even just floating through space. People back then had no knowledge of the theory of relativity.

Also, the seven days of creation are amazingly similar to how science tries to explain evolution through the big bang theory. How could they just come up with this thousands of years ago and it actually still makes sense today?

Light(Day 1), Gas/Water/Vapor(Day 2), solids(Day 3), stability of celestial bodies(Day 4), sea creatures and birds(Day 5), land animals then man(Day 6). Then God rested ( Day 7). People would of had to receive some kind of knowledge not from this world so long ago to get this correct.

Well, it's possible I jumped the gun and confused your arguments. I haven't read the majority of this thread but from the quote I first saw of yours I assumed you were supporting creationism, it sure looked like it. Creationism is incredibly penetrating stupid and I stand by that.

[Footy4Jesus]

Yes, go ahead and ignore all the fact's, event's and scientific evidence I have presented through out my many, many post's here. I am not debating directly with you, but with your propaganda and lies you have strewn through out this whole thread. I know you are a troll and other's know this as well.

I am not a troll. You seem to be unable to grasp that some people believe in a God which you choose not to. I have my reasons why I believe what I do. And they are not lies, they are my personal beliefs which I have come to on my own through much contemplation. Just because you think they are stupid doesn't change that for me at all. I don't care what you believe. I used to think just like you not too long ago, so I know exactly where it comes from and I don't want to be a part of it ever again. You say you have given us facts, events, and scientific evidence to back up your claim but I am at a loss as to when you have provided this insightful information. If you weren't concentrating on being such a hateful bigot all of the time, then I might pay a little more attention to what you have to say.

[chilidog]

I am not a troll. You seem to be unable to grasp that some people believe in a God which you choose not to. I have my reasons why I believe what I do. And they are not lies, they are my personal beliefs which I have come to on my own through much contemplation. Just because you think they are stupid doesn't change that for me at all. I don't care what you believe. I used to think just like you not too long ago, so I know exactly where it comes from and I don't want to be a part of it ever again. You say you have given us facts, events, and scientific evidence to back up your claim but I am at a loss as to when you have provided this insightful information. If you weren't concentrating on being such a hateful bigot all of the time, then I might pay a little more attention to what you have to say.

Then why are you in this thread?

[lucullus]

I am not a troll. You seem to be unable to grasp that some people believe in a God which you choose not to. I have my reasons why I believe what I do. And they are not lies, they are my personal beliefs which I have come to on my own through much contemplation. Just because you think they are stupid doesn't change that for me at all. I don't care what you believe. I used to think just like you not too long ago, so I know exactly where it comes from and I don't want to be a part of it ever again. You say you have given us facts, events, and scientific evidence to back up your claim but I am at a loss as to when you have provided this insightful information. If you weren't concentrating on being such a hateful bigot all of the time, then I might pay a little more attention to what you have to say.

Around in circles is where you get with this loon

[Footy4Jesus]

Around in circles is where you get with this loon

Quit hitting yourself. You might kill the few brain cells you have left in that head.

[PhillyFlyers]

OK.

So my first question has gone unanswered.

Which brings me to my second question..

How did the DNA code originate?

The code is a sophisticated language system with letters and words where the meaning of the words is unrelated to the chemical properties of the letters—just as the information on this page is not a product of the chemical properties of the ink (or pixels on a screen).

What other coding system has existed without intelligent design?

How did the DNA coding system arise without it being created?

[chilidog]

God created it. He also used incest to populate Earth. Philly, how does it feel to know that your loving God supports incest? By default, you also support incest.

OK.

So my first question has gone unanswered.

Which brings me to my second question..

How did the DNA code originate?

The code is a sophisticated language system with letters and words where the meaning of the words is unrelated to the chemical properties of the letters—just as the information on this page is not a product of the chemical properties of the ink (or pixels on a screen).

What other coding system has existed without intelligent design?

How did the DNA coding system arise without it being created?

[PhillyFlyers]

God created it. He also used incest to populate Earth. Philly, how does it feel to know that your loving God supports incest? By default, you also support incest.

The first part of your answer I agree with. God did create it.

The second part of your answer, however, leaves a lot to be desired.

To simply say that God supports incest is being disingenuous.

God created us out of love. You and I have only one mother and one father. It makes sense that a loving God would create mankind from one woman and one man.

Even further, it goes to show just how much our God truly loves each and every one of us that He would make a conscious decision to come down here and become one of us and die for our sins so that we have a chance to gain eternal life with Him.

[chilidog]

The first part of your answer I agree with. God did create it.

The second part of your answer, however, leaves a lot to be desired.

To simply say that God supports incest is being disingenuous.

God created us out of love. You and I have only one mother and one father. It makes sense that a loving God would create mankind from one woman and one man.

Even further, it goes to show just how much our God truly loves each and every one of us that He would make a conscious decision to come down here and become one of us and die for our sins so that we have a chance to gain eternal life with Him.

You answer like a politician. I'll answer like Anderson Cooper. "You didn't answer my question. Do you or do you not support incest?"

[PhillyFlyers]

You answer like a politician. I'll answer like Anderson Cooper. "You didn't answer my question. Do you or do you not support incest?"

You never asked me if I supported incest in your post, idiot. You asked how do I feel knowing that God supports it.

God chose that way to populate the earth, As such, it was divinely ordained and automatically holy.

For you to sit here and question God and accuse that He supports incest is pretty fukkin laughable.

Now, on to your question...

No.

Now I get to ask you one...

How do you feel about the possibility of burning forever in an eternal fire after you die?

[chilidog]

How do you feel about the possibility of burning forever in an eternal fire after you die?

It won't happen. And it won't happen because if God does exist, he is a loving God. A loving God would never, ever do that. Ever. Ask any parent - they would NEVER do that to their children. And we're only human - we're simply not capable of understanding anything beyond our brain's processing abilities.

The problem that you're having is that you're accepting the Bible as fact. There's no proof of that. Every single human civilization has believed in a Deity. They've also written their own rules, tenets, traditions, etc., to support their religion. Christianity is just another modern incantation of that - no different than any other. I can accept the possibility that a God exists - I can even accept the possibility that the Christian God exists, but I will never believe in the Bible itself. Read it sometimes - it's pure evil the things that "God" says to do.

What happens to all the tribes that never accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior (because they were never given the choice to begin with)? It's not very fair for them, is it?

[PhillyFlyers]

It won't happen. And it won't happen because if God does exist, he is a loving God. A loving God would never, ever do that. Ever. Ask any parent - they would NEVER do that to their children. And we're only human - we're simply not capable of understanding anything beyond our brain's processing abilities.

The problem that you're having is that you're accepting the Bible as fact. There's no proof of that. Every single human civilization has believed in a Deity. They've also written their own rules, tenets, traditions, etc., to support their religion. Christianity is just another modern incantation of that - no different than any other. I can accept the possibility that a God exists - I can even accept the possibility that the Christian God exists, but I will never believe in the Bible itself. Read it sometimes - it's pure evil the things that "God" says to do.

What happens to all the tribes that never accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior (because they were never given the choice to begin with)? It's not very fair for them, is it?

It won't happen huh? You seem so sure. Like you already know.

Are you willing to bet your soul on it?

Cain killed Abel. Not much brotherly love going on there. Children kill their parents and vice versa.

[chilidog]

It won't happen huh? You seem so sure. Like you already know.

Are you willing to bet your soul on it?

Cain killed Abel. Not much brotherly love going on there. Children kill their parents and vice versa.

And yet - you ignored the rest of my post.

[PhillyFlyers]

And yet - you ignored the rest of my post.

I didn't ignore it bro, believe me.

You are making one GIGANTIC assumption. To make it even worse, you're basically also risking your soul.

Now that is one bet I would never consider making.

You believe in angels? God created them before humanity.

The greatest one became The Devil.

Guess where he's headed to eventually?

The same place you think no human goes to.

[chilidog]

I didn't ignore it bro, believe me.

You are making one GIGANTIC assumption. To make it even worse, you're basically also risking your soul.

Now that is one bet I would never consider making.

You believe in angels? God created them before humanity.

The greatest one became The Devil.

Guess where he's headed to eventually?

The same place you think no human goes to.

A loving God would never do what the Christian religion says he would do. What you are talking about is the antithesis of love. Furthermore, why would anybody want to be a part of any religion that is based out of fear? Listen to yourself. You believe in God to avoid eternal suffering. What kind of a God is that?? That's not a just God. That's not a loving God. That is a God that man created. A God created out of fear. A God created out of control. I will have no part of a God that man created.

I despise religion; people that fall for it are laughable. Spirituality and religion are 2 entirely different things. One is love, the other is evil. I choose love, you apparently choose evil.

[swordsandtequila]

I didn't ignore it bro, believe me.

You are making one GIGANTIC assumption. To make it even worse, you're basically also risking your soul.

Now that is one bet I would never consider making.

You believe in angels? God created them before humanity.

The greatest one became The Devil.

Guess where he's headed to eventually?

The same place you think no human goes to.

Funny, the same could be said of you.

[MatI]

You are making one GIGANTIC assumption. To make it even worse, you're basically also risking your soul.

Now that is one bet I would never consider making.

You believe in angels? God created them before humanity.

The greatest one became The Devil.

Guess where he's headed to eventually?

The same place you think no human goes to.

This is some funny stuff! Very entertaining.

Now I see why your NHL picks are so shit.

[PhillyFlyers]

are you penetrating stupid lol...

Are you sure you know what the word IN means? Lets try again

"So Catholic Monasteries were the origin of museums? I guess that library of Alexandria was just in a storage locker then."


And either way, you've accepted that catholics didn't start museums.

You're the one who's fukkin stupid, moron.

You can't even realize his point is correct.

Though applicable to collections composed of Christian objects representative of all epochs, this term is usually reserved to those museums which abound chiefly in Christian objects antedating the Middle Ages, namely, Sarcophagi, inscriptions and products of the minor arts. These objects, as also those peculiar to the Middle Ages, are found in a large number of museums, but not many of these institutions are exclusively or even primarily devoted to them. The first collections that were formed by humanists, (by the Medici in Florence, etc.) occasionally included the earlier types or works of medieval art, but more on account of their artistic merit than because of their Christian character. Collections of inscriptions had been made from the time of the Renaissance, but Christian inscriptions found no place among them. It was not until after the discovery of the Roman catacombs by Antonio Bosio that these inscriptions were visited by collectors from Rome and other cities. The first Christian museum, properly so called, was that of the Vatican, and its origin dates from Benedict XIV, who founded it under the name of "Museum Christianum". Thanks to Marchi and de Rossi, a part of the Vatican collections was taken to form the Lateran Museum, founded by a decree of Pius IX in 1854. For Christian antiquities no other museums equal the latter in point of importance. During the pontificate of Benedict XIV (1740-50) a taste for Christian antiquities was developed by other distinguished men, e.g., Cardinal Passionei and Cardinal Quirini, Bishop of Brescia, whose diligent searches were prolific of important results.

The library of Alexandria and the museum it was housed in had literally NOTHING to do with the spread of museums around the world. That claim is held entirely by the Catholic Church.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10647a.htm

[PhillyFlyers]

A loving God would never do what the Christian religion says he would do. What you are talking about is the antithesis of love. Furthermore, why would anybody want to be a part of any religion that is based out of fear? Listen to yourself. You believe in God to avoid eternal suffering. What kind of a God is that?? That's not a just God. That's not a loving God. That is a God that man created. A God created out of fear. A God created out of control. I will have no part of a God that man created.

I despise religion; people that fall for it are laughable. Spirituality and religion are 2 entirely different things. One is love, the other is evil. I choose love, you apparently choose evil.

You are completely backwards.

God has never sent one soul to hell.

You put yourself there through the actions you make with your free will here on earth.

Conscious decisions to live a life contrary to Christ and being unrepentant about it.

God loves us so much He became one of us and died for our sins.

If there wasn't a place of eternal punishment there would be no need to save us.

Again I ask you, how do you feel about the possibility of burning forever in an eternal fire after you die?

[PhillyFlyers]

My third question for evolutionists....


How did new biochemical pathways, which involve multiple enzymes working together in sequence, originate?

(This video simply explains the concept of a short biochemical pathway.) Every pathway and nano-machine requires multiple protein/enzyme components to work. How did lucky accidents create even one of the components, let alone 10 or 20 or 30 at the same time, often in a necessary programmed sequence. Evolutionary biochemist Franklin Harold wrote, “we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical or cellular system, only a variety of wishful speculations.”

[Kaabee]

something makes me think you have 12 more questions

[MatI]

http://creation.com/15-questions-responses-1

Even a nice page where he can copy and paste his rebuttals.

Spread the word Philly f a g.

[PhillyFlyers]

something makes me think you have 12 more questions

Got about 2000.

I'm starting off real slow and nice. It gets much better as we get deeper into it.

[PhillyFlyers]

http://creation.com/15-questions-responses-1

Even a nice page where he can copy and paste his rebuttals.

Spread the word Philly f a g.

And your point is what dikkhead?

I already said I am a creationist.

[chilidog]

Again I ask you, how do you feel about the possibility of burning forever in an eternal fire after you die?

A loving God would never do what the Christian religion says he would do. What you are talking about is the antithesis of love. Furthermore, why would anybody want to be a part of any religion that is based out of fear? Listen to yourself. You believe in God to avoid eternal suffering. What kind of a God is that?? That's not a just God. That's not a loving God.

[chilidog]

You are completely backwards.

God has never sent one soul to hell.

You put yourself there through the actions you make with your free will here on earth.

Conscious decisions to live a life contrary to Christ and being unrepentant about it.

God loves us so much He became one of us and died for our sins.

If there wasn't a place of eternal punishment there would be no need to save us.

Again I ask you, how do you feel about the possibility of burning forever in an eternal fire after you die?

As for everything else you said, you are relying on the Christian Bible for your information. Choose a different culture, from a different timeframe, and use their book as your information.