Holocaust is a big HOAX. ))) IT NEVER HAPPENED (((

[pronk]

Nice find Retard.


A 15-year-old girl from Southern California who attends a public high school tells the story of how she recently became aware of questions concerning the holocaust. After hearing the establishment's version of the 'shoah' in her history class for weeks along with persistent rumors that Obamacare included provisions for microchipping all Americans, she was very upset at all the frightening and traumatizing details. But then she had an encounter which led her to question what she had been taught, and decided to conduct her own investigation.
Upon completion of her research, she decided to submit a report for a school project in an elective class she was taking for extra credit. She titled it 'Holohoax,' and got an A on the report! Unfortunately for the regime, the widely accepted version of the 'holocaust' which has been passed down for generations and constantly promoted through Hollywood propaganda films is not enough to brainwash the youth, who are increasingly thinking for themselves, outside the box.
Here is Jazzy's report:

Holohoax A lie known worldwide, spreading to clueless people and creating disaster everywhere, has caused so many German lives to be spitefully taken. The "Holocaust", an alleged story of millions of Jews being tortured in concentration camps, has been proven time and time again to be inaccurate, For the acclaimed number of murdered Jews to be true is impossible, proven so not only by logic, but also the fact that the "survivors" of these evens have been known to and even admitted to being paid to lie about it. This in itself should be proof enough of this act of misleading propaganda being false, but there is indeed more evidence. One reason to believe that the Holocaust is a lie is that the Jews claimed to have been murdered in gas chambers, groups as a time. However, no evidence of such occurrences has been shown or documented. According to scientists who were assigned to study the bodies of the victims of World War 2, "Most of them died from typhus epidemics. Most of the rest of them died from starvation and lack of medical supply care resulting from allied bombing raids against food and medical supply lines. (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=holohoax) The Jews show pictures of hair and clothing of women and children, claiming that they were used for soap and rugs after their owners being stripped of them and brutally killed. However, the truth lies in the fact that "The Germans were against typhus, which was the real reason for shaving heads, fumigating buildings, and cremating corpses." (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=holohoax) Also, heads were shaved and people were gathered top be treated not with lethal gases in order to commit genocide, but with repellant, to stop the epidemic of head lice spreading throughout the camps. Another thing that contradicts the lies of faulty "survivors" is that the number of Jews said to be killed in the camps was inaccurately stated. Six million Jews were supposedly killed in the Holocaust, when not even such an amount existed in Europe entirely, let alone Germany. "In 1939, there were nearly 15,700,000 Jews in the world. After the Second World War that number had risen to over 18,000,000 Jews. What thismeans is that of the 15,000,000 original Jews on the planet, 6,000,000 were gassed, leaving only some 9,000,000-plus. Then, the world Jewish population rebounded and doubled to over 18,000,000 in less than nine years - an astronomical feat, which astounded biologists and baby doctors everywhere!" (http://exposing-the-holocaust-hoax-a...r-dummies.html) Not only were the Jews not murdered, but were give a choice. "For that we must go back to one Ilea Ehrenburg,* chief Soviet propagandist during the Second World War and later on to die in Israel, who coined the mythic number on Dec. 22, 1944 - BEFORE tens of thousands of Jewish internees, given the choice of staying to be "liberated" by the Communists or going with their German captors, did not hesitate to choose the latter option!" (http://exposing-the-holocaust-hoax-a...r-dummies.html) Thus proving that the Jewish population was not forced to concentration camps to be scalped and gassed. Not only do we have visible proof of the holocaust being a lie, but also some very trustworthy witness: The American Red Cross. The Red Cross was asked to do an investigation and search of the camps and corpses, and make accurate reports on their findings. "Says the Report: 'In the chaotic condition of Germany after the invasion during the final months of the war, the camps received no food supplies at all and starvation claimed an increasing number of victims. Itself alarmed by this situation, the German Government at last informed the ICRC on February 1st, 1945 ... In March 1945, discussions between the President of the ICRC and General of the S.S. Kaltenbrunner gave even more decisive results. Relief could henceforth be distributed by the ICRC, and one delegate was authorized to stay in each camp ...' (Vol. III, p. 83)." (http://www.ihr.org/books/harwood/dsmrd01.html) In reading this, one may conclude that the Germans did not intentionally kill the Jews, but strove to maintain lives. Many of the allegations against the Germans made by Jews involved gas chambers, which they claimed to be stripped, shaved, and gathered into for a mass killing. However, in order for a gas chamber to exist on a premise, there must be airtight doors and high chimneys, neither of which was found at the former "death camps." Also, there is no proof of the gassed Jews except for allegations made by hired phony witnesses. According to the Red Cross, "Though six million Jews supposedly died in the gas chambers, not one body has ever been autopsied and found to have died of gas poisoning. We have been shown piles of bodies from World War II, but most of these persons died of typhus or starvation or Allied bombings and a great many of those were murdered Germans - the equivalent of ten football fields should be packed full of gassed bodies to present as evidence, yet not one body has ever been discovered." (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/holohoax.htm) If this is not proof enough, what else is needed? What excuse can be made in retort? This is not to say that the Holocaust did not take place. It is only to prove that it did not happen as it was told according to the Jews. Not only in the camps, but all over the world, people died; suffered from starvation, typhus and bombing raids in World War 2. Lastly, without being given the evidence that it did happen as it is told, we are shown clues that the effects on Europe of World War 2 was much different; not a story that would benefit the Jews, giving them compensation each month for some thing that was simply a hyperbole.

[pronk]

Early Holohoax Tale - 64 million Jewish children wrapped in scrolls and burned

Early Holohoax Tale - 64 million Jewish children wrapped in scrolls and burned by the Romans in 2nd century A.D.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betar_(fortress)

Betar was the last standing Jewish fortress in the Bar Kochba revolt of the 2nd century AD, destroyed by the Roman army on Tisha B'av.

The site of historic Betar (also spelled Beitar or Bethar), next to the modern Palestinian village of Battir southwest of Jerusalem, was known as Khirbet al-Yahudi, Arabic for "the Jew's ruins".

The destruction of Betar put an end to the last great revolt against Rome, and effectively quashed any Jewish dreams of freedom. Accounts of the event in Talmudic and Midrashic writings thus reflect and amplify its importance in the Jewish psyche and oral tradition in the subsequent period. The best known is from the Babylonian Talmud, Gittin 57a-b:

Gittin 58a of the Babylonian Talmud:

"There were four hundred synagogues in the city of Bethar, and in every one were four hundred teachers of children, and each one had under him four hundred pupils, and when the enemy entered there they pierced them with their staves, and when the enemy prevailed and captured them, they wrapped them in their scrolls and burnt them with fire."

400 synagogues x 400 teachers/synagogue x 400 pupils/teacher = 64,000,000 children

This story is every bit as true as the fable of "6,000,000 jews killed in gas chambers and burned up in ovens."

[PhillyFlyers]

Nice find Retard.


A 15-year-old girl from Southern California who attends a public high school tells the story of how she recently became aware of questions concerning the holocaust. After hearing the establishment's version of the 'shoah' in her history class for weeks along with persistent rumors that Obamacare included provisions for microchipping all Americans, she was very upset at all the frightening and traumatizing details. But then she had an encounter which led her to question what she had been taught, and decided to conduct her own investigation.
Upon completion of her research, she decided to submit a report for a school project in an elective class she was taking for extra credit. She titled it 'Holohoax,' and got an A on the report! Unfortunately for the regime, the widely accepted version of the 'holocaust' which has been passed down for generations and constantly promoted through Hollywood propaganda films is not enough to brainwash the youth, who are increasingly thinking for themselves, outside the box.
Here is Jazzy's report:

Holohoax A lie known worldwide, spreading to clueless people and creating disaster everywhere, has caused so many German lives to be spitefully taken. The "Holocaust", an alleged story of millions of Jews being tortured in concentration camps, has been proven time and time again to be inaccurate, For the acclaimed number of murdered Jews to be true is impossible, proven so not only by logic, but also the fact that the "survivors" of these evens have been known to and even admitted to being paid to lie about it. This in itself should be proof enough of this act of misleading propaganda being false, but there is indeed more evidence. One reason to believe that the Holocaust is a lie is that the Jews claimed to have been murdered in gas chambers, groups as a time. However, no evidence of such occurrences has been shown or documented. According to scientists who were assigned to study the bodies of the victims of World War 2, "Most of them died from typhus epidemics. Most of the rest of them died from starvation and lack of medical supply care resulting from allied bombing raids against food and medical supply lines. (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=holohoax) The Jews show pictures of hair and clothing of women and children, claiming that they were used for soap and rugs after their owners being stripped of them and brutally killed. However, the truth lies in the fact that "The Germans were against typhus, which was the real reason for shaving heads, fumigating buildings, and cremating corpses." (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=holohoax) Also, heads were shaved and people were gathered top be treated not with lethal gases in order to commit genocide, but with repellant, to stop the epidemic of head lice spreading throughout the camps. Another thing that contradicts the lies of faulty "survivors" is that the number of Jews said to be killed in the camps was inaccurately stated. Six million Jews were supposedly killed in the Holocaust, when not even such an amount existed in Europe entirely, let alone Germany. "In 1939, there were nearly 15,700,000 Jews in the world. After the Second World War that number had risen to over 18,000,000 Jews. What thismeans is that of the 15,000,000 original Jews on the planet, 6,000,000 were gassed, leaving only some 9,000,000-plus. Then, the world Jewish population rebounded and doubled to over 18,000,000 in less than nine years - an astronomical feat, which astounded biologists and baby doctors everywhere!" (http://exposing-the-holocaust-hoax-a...r-dummies.html) Not only were the Jews not murdered, but were give a choice. "For that we must go back to one Ilea Ehrenburg,* chief Soviet propagandist during the Second World War and later on to die in Israel, who coined the mythic number on Dec. 22, 1944 - BEFORE tens of thousands of Jewish internees, given the choice of staying to be "liberated" by the Communists or going with their German captors, did not hesitate to choose the latter option!" (http://exposing-the-holocaust-hoax-a...r-dummies.html) Thus proving that the Jewish population was not forced to concentration camps to be scalped and gassed. Not only do we have visible proof of the holocaust being a lie, but also some very trustworthy witness: The American Red Cross. The Red Cross was asked to do an investigation and search of the camps and corpses, and make accurate reports on their findings. "Says the Report: 'In the chaotic condition of Germany after the invasion during the final months of the war, the camps received no food supplies at all and starvation claimed an increasing number of victims. Itself alarmed by this situation, the German Government at last informed the ICRC on February 1st, 1945 ... In March 1945, discussions between the President of the ICRC and General of the S.S. Kaltenbrunner gave even more decisive results. Relief could henceforth be distributed by the ICRC, and one delegate was authorized to stay in each camp ...' (Vol. III, p. 83)." (http://www.ihr.org/books/harwood/dsmrd01.html) In reading this, one may conclude that the Germans did not intentionally kill the Jews, but strove to maintain lives. Many of the allegations against the Germans made by Jews involved gas chambers, which they claimed to be stripped, shaved, and gathered into for a mass killing. However, in order for a gas chamber to exist on a premise, there must be airtight doors and high chimneys, neither of which was found at the former "death camps." Also, there is no proof of the gassed Jews except for allegations made by hired phony witnesses. According to the Red Cross, "Though six million Jews supposedly died in the gas chambers, not one body has ever been autopsied and found to have died of gas poisoning. We have been shown piles of bodies from World War II, but most of these persons died of typhus or starvation or Allied bombings and a great many of those were murdered Germans - the equivalent of ten football fields should be packed full of gassed bodies to present as evidence, yet not one body has ever been discovered." (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/holohoax.htm) If this is not proof enough, what else is needed? What excuse can be made in retort? This is not to say that the Holocaust did not take place. It is only to prove that it did not happen as it was told according to the Jews. Not only in the camps, but all over the world, people died; suffered from starvation, typhus and bombing raids in World War 2. Lastly, without being given the evidence that it did happen as it is told, we are shown clues that the effects on Europe of World War 2 was much different; not a story that would benefit the Jews, giving them compensation each month for some thing that was simply a hyperbole.

Not only this but Germany was made to pay the state of Israel, which did not even exist at the time of the war, the largest reparations payments ever to this day.

Wonder if Israel will give the money back seeing as they claimed it under false pretenses.

[pronk]

According to German Special Registry Office, in all the concentration camps of Germany only 373,468 died



As of December 31, 1983, the total number of deaths registered with the Special Registry Office and various other registry offices was 373,468. This figure represented death certificates issued pursuant to received applications and was based, with respect to the Special Registry Office, on camp records kept by the Germans during the war. While some were executions, the vast majority of the deaths were from typhus and other diseases, old age, and natural causes.

[rufflesmuncher]

its insane how ignorant you can be. Being a jew, I grew up meeting people who were little boys in the holocaust, separated from their mom and dads, tattoos on their arms of the NUMBER they used to be. I visited museums, survivors and studied it. I myself was so fascinated by Hitler as to how he was able to do such a powerful, yet tragic and devastating thing. To deny this ever happened isn't just an insult to the people I met, to the jewish race but is also an insult to your own intelligence. To pretend something that people have been mourning for so many years for nothing is utterly disgusting. People I KNOW have lost their families to this event and have never been able to sleep properly, still scream in the middle of the night in fear of being hunted. I am talking about grandparents of friends, you're going to sit there and tell me they're are faking? Dude you're nuts, really crazy. I am so pissed off at what you're saying. Like I can't even begin to tell you how offensive and idiotic you are for these comments. You want proof? Go visit a jewish old people's home with survivors of the holocaust(there are a ton but running out soon so fuckign hurry before you tell me they don't exist) and tell them you guys are liars, your tattoos are fake and you never survived anything. Look at their faces when you say that, look straight into their eyes if you are man enough. You will see the pain you caused and you will understand that you are nothing but a pompous prick with ambition to prove people wrong just for a little bit of attention no matter how much harm you cause. Holocaust deniers will always exist and it will only grow as less and less survivors, ironically, are alive. Find a day job bud instead of sitting there like a moron trying to hurt people with your pointless and useless comments. The holocaust happened, as painfully as it is to admit but it caused the creation of Israel and therefore we have a land and an army to protect ourselves with, so we can tell our enemies, NEVER AGAIN. It will NEVER happen again.

[pronk]

^
have you even read this thread Mr. Never again?

[rufflesmuncher]

Yeah I read your thread Mr. Facts lie because I need attention

[pronk]

Yeah I read your thread Mr. Facts lie because I need attention

Dont lie, it will take at least 2 days to hear and to see what's in this thread.

[rufflesmuncher]

Dont lie, it will take at least 2 days to hear and to see what's in this thread.

its read, and it took 10 minutes to skim. Relax, not everything you say is worth reading anyway. Most of it was bullshit, and your claims were complete bullshit. What do you know about "real" jews?? You're not jewish lol. Oh, and just because these idiots agree with you doesn't make them any more real then me.

[recon1]

Moshe Peer's astounding Holy Shoah tale - Gassed six times by the Nazis and survived!! - Claims people were murdered in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen











As a young boy at the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp, Moshe Peer says he was sent to the gas chambers at least six times.

To this day, Moshe doesn't know how he survived.

He still has nightmares about the horror.

Moshe is most angry that the entire world, as he says, "stood by and let it happen."

The entire world is guilty of the Hoaxacaust, and should never forget and never allow it to happen again.

Surviving the horror

Author recounts experiences in Nazi concentration camp

Karen Seidman
THE MONTREAL GAZETTE
August 5, 1993

ST. LAURENT - As an 11 year-old boy held captive at the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp during World War II, Moshe Peer was sent to the gas chamber at least six times. Each time he survived, watching with horrors as many of the women and children gassed with him collapsed and died. To this day, Peer doesn’t know how he was able to survive. “Maybe children resist better, I don’t know,” he said in an interview last week.

Spent 19 years on book

Now 60, Peer has spent the last 19 years writing a first-person account of the horror he witnessed at Bergen Belsen. On Sunday, he spoke to about 300 young adults at the Petah Tikva Sephardic Congregation in St. Laurent about his book and his experience as a Holocaust survivor.

The gathering was part of the synagogue’s Shabbaton 93, which brought together young adults from across North America for a cultural and social experience.

Called Inoubliable Bergen-Belsen (Unforgettable Bergen-Belsen), Peer wrote the book to make the reader feel like a witness at the scene. But he admits he can never recreate for anyone the living hell he experienced. “The conditions in the camp is indescribable,” Peer said. “You can’t bring home the horror.”

In 1942, at age 9, Peer and his younger brother and sister were arrested by police in their homeland of France. His mother was sent to Auschwitz and never returned.

Peer and his siblings were sent to Bergen-Belsen two years later. He recalls the separation from his parents as excruciating. But surviving the horrors of the camp quickly became a priority.

“There were pieces of corpses lying around and there were bodies lying there, some alive and some dead,” Peer recalled.

“Bergen-Belsen was worse than Auschwitz because there people were gassed right away so they didn’t suffer a long time.”

Peer said Russian prisoners were kept in an open-air camp “like stallions” and were given no food or water. “Some people went mad with hunger and turned to cannibalism,” Peer said.

Peer’s day began with a roll call of the numbered prisoners. This could last as long as five hours, while their captors calculated how many prisoners had died. Anyone who fell over during the roll call was beaten on the spot.

After roll call, the prisoners returned to their barracks, where they were given a tiny piece of bread and some coloured water.

Peer and his siblings - who all survived - were cared for at the camp by two women, whom Peer has unsuccessful tried to find.

Children being children, they did play, sometimes chasing each other around the barracks. But there would always be some who were too sick or weak to get up.

Reunited with father

After the war, Peer was reunited with his father in Paris and the family moved to Israel. Peer’s four children were born in Israel, but after serving in the Israeli army in a number of wars, Peer moved to Montreal in 1974.

Even 49 years later, Peer is still haunted by his concentration-camp experience and still finds his memories keep him awake at night.

But what he is most bitter about is the way the rest of world stood by and let it happen.

“No one told the Germans not to do it. They had the permission of world,” he said.


http://exposing-the-holocaust-hoax-a...s-fiction.html

Just skimmed through your article, no need to waste my time on it. I grew up in Miami, Fl. and have spoke to countless folks who still had the Nazi tattoo on them. All stories were similar. Knew an American soldier who was on site of one of the camps and he confirmed THOUSANDS of victims in just the few days before the camp was found, so who knows how many were BBQ in the many years prior to Nazi Germany collapsing.
I believe the 6 million estimated is accurate.

[pronk]

Just skimmed through your article, no need to waste my time on it. I grew up in Miami, Fl. and have spoke to countless folks who still had the Nazi tattoo on them.

...but they were all alive, weren't they )))

[dante1]

this is a ridiculous argument and discussion, every legitimate historian knows that the number of jews killed (whatever your definition of a jew is irrelevant) was between 5 and 6 million. Jewish is a religion and the nazi protocol was to kill jews nationality was incidental. All the deniers of the holocaust have an agenda and none are legitimate historians or scholars in this field. Naturally many of the idiots that deny this fact are the same idiots that deny science and other facts accepted by the educated. The same idiots making the same idiotic arguments. It never ends with these morons. Never!

[recon1]

...but they were all alive, weren't they )))

They lost almost all family. In some cases were only survivors. Give up already

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

Prawn, this is a new low.

[rufflesmuncher]

...but they were all alive, weren't they )))

What's wrong with you?

[gauchojake]

Pronk is one of the last of the retards (other than retard) who haven't been banned for their ridiculous stormfront cross posts.

[pronk]

According to German Special Registry Office, in all the concentration camps of Germany only 373,468 died



As of December 31, 1983, the total number of deaths registered with the Special Registry Office and various other registry offices was 373,468. This figure represented death certificates issued pursuant to received applications and was based, with respect to the Special Registry Office, on camp records kept by the Germans during the war. While some were executions, the vast majority of the deaths were from typhus and other diseases, old age, and natural causes.

^^^^^^^^
Krauts don't lie.

[rkelly110]

^^^^^^^^
Krauts don't lie.

I believe that number. To add, how many died of slave labor and malnutrition?

Let's not forget the millions of other people that died during that sickening war. To refute the genocide, is the same
as saying there was no WW2.

[CarterTown]

Pronk is one of the last of the retards (other than retard) who haven't been banned for their ridiculous stormfront cross posts.

He's an impressive retard. I mean the commitment to anti-Semitism shown here is affirmation that retards really can be good at something

[pronk]

He's an impressive retard. I mean the commitment to anti-Semitism shown here is affirmation that retards really can be good at something

and who are you again bozo?

[pronk]

I believe that number. To add, how many died of slave labor and malnutrition?

Let's not forget the millions of other people that died during that sickening war. To refute the genocide, is the same
as saying there was no WW2.

Kelly, sadly each war is a genocide, but what bothers me is when some greedy bastards are trying to profit from it. How come nobody talks about polak-caust or gypsy-caust???

[chipper]

I think the evidence is overwhelming that there was indeed a Holocaust and millions were killed...

[rufflesmuncher]

Kelly, sadly each war is a genocide, but what bothers me is when some greedy bastards are trying to profit from it. How come nobody talks about polak-caust or gypsy-caust???

why exactly does it bother you so much?

[Lebensraum]

Really telling how the crowd went crazy with approval when Irving said this:
I seriously mistrust the United Nations and can't wait for the day it implodes.

But arguing here without going through tons of materials - which would probably take weeks or months - is the same as arguing whether the Broncos deserved to win the SuperBowl last year. It's simply conjecture. None of you here, including the OP, can say anything with any degree of certainty.

Great thread nonetheless. Popular opinion must be challenged or else 'the people' will be treated like suckers indefinitely.

[gauchojake]

Pronk where do you live so I can stick your family in an oven while you watch?

[rufflesmuncher]

Really telling how the crowd went crazy with approval when Irving said this:
I seriously mistrust the United Nations and can't wait for the day it implodes.

But arguing here without going through tons of materials - which would probably take weeks or months - is the same as arguing whether the Broncos deserved to win the SuperBowl last year. It's simply conjecture. None of you here, including the OP, can say anything with any degree of certainty.

Great thread nonetheless. Popular opinion must be challenged or else 'the people' will be treated like suckers indefinitely.

Thats totally false. Theres definitely a high degree of certainty with proof that it happened. Visit a museum, or speak to someone who went through it.

And its not popular opinion that the holocaust happened. It did happen, to say its just an opinion, is just as insulting. Millions were killed and he sits here claiming its BS and you say its a popular opinion. DA penetrate?!?!

[pronk]

Is this your argument "visit a museum"??? How old are you?

[CarterTown]

and who are you again bozo?

Im a tax paying american who doesnt blame others for my misery. You obviously have an agenda anti-jew. So tell us what happened in your life to make you hate Jews?

Do we have a problem Pronk?

[Lebensraum]

Thats totally false. Theres definitely a high degree of certainty with proof that it happened. Visit a museum, or speak to someone who went through it.

And its not popular opinion that the holocaust happened. It did happen, to say its just an opinion, is just as insulting. Millions were killed and he sits here claiming its BS and you say its a popular opinion. DA penetrate?!?!

Proof provided by the Polish*, mainly. Popular opinion. History written by the winner. I am awfully sorry to be impartial here - it's easier for me since none of my immediate family were involved in the war massacres - but should I really apologize for that?

The fact is, the 'degree of certainty' isn't that high, and as years go by people will continue to ask questions: What really happened?

People who are labeled Holocaust Deniers could be sponsored by the right-wing and neo-Nazis. Or they could be motivated by something different. They could be wondering just how much the massacres were exaggerated... embellished. Are you saying the Polish Jewish community lacked either opportunity or motivation to make things up? Or could the Nazis after 1945 be forced in a situation not unlike a serial killer who, on autopilot and knowing the end is near, admits several murders he had nothing to do with, just because he knows he's going to get a life sentence or a bullet?

Now... is it criminal to challenge the court ruling that sentenced the serial killer to 300 years in prison, if one has a reason to believe the proper legal procedure was not followed and prosecution had its own motives, motives that were far from achieving justice? According to several jurisdictions, it *is* criminal. What the hell is that? Where do these judges come from?

I am not saying David Irving isn't biased. My current theory is he had a falling out with his own motherland, Great Britain, and ended up idealizing and sympathizing with the hard-working German people he met in Ruhr in 1950s where he came after dropping out of college due to lack of funds. One thing led to another. Irving went to the archives. He found things that 'the winners' didn't want the public to be aware of. Is this so difficult to fathom, governments hiding facts from the masses?

It appears to me that he was originally interested in finding the truth more than anything else. And he was showing what people just didn't want to be looking at, especially for the first couple of decades after 1945. Showing war crimes against Germany. Giving the benefit of a doubt to those who were involved in the Nazi machine, those who admitted they had been responsible for the killings of innocent people. Instead of taking the victims' side by default, he started to show an alternative version: what if those Nazis are actually telling the truth? What if their actions, taken on Hitler's orders, deserved only 100 years in prison?

It's hard to guess what his motives were. Was he a racist and a scumbag then? Did he see an opportunity to make a name for himself doing something that he found fascinating? We'll never know. But he clearly rubbed many people, and organizations, the wrong way. His 'research' - no matter how unscientific - made scholars uncomfortable. He's a demagogue. A very good one. His activities grew more controversial by the decade. In my mind, there's a 50% chance that he's been sponsored by 'the antisemites' for many years, as an extremely talented speaker.

The judge said said it appeared to him to be "incontrovertible" that Irving qualified as a Holocaust denier.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/709517.stm

The trial he lost 14 years ago in London - the one that effectively killed his reputation as a 'credible historian' - in an alternative universe could be the end of 'myth of Holocaust'. It's possible that Irving's backers just took that bet - like sponsoring a great poker player to enter the biggest tournament he couldn't otherwise afford to buy into - hoping he can change history forever. And they ultimately lost the bet (if my guess is right, Irving was never close to being bankrupt after losing the case... 'the antisemites' paid the bill for him, and then some)

Mr Irving, the 62-year-old author of Hitler's War, is facing ruin over a defence costs bill of £2m following Mr Justice Gray's ruling. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/709128.stm)

(*People who are still bitter both at the Germans but even more at the Russians. Back in the 20th century, Poland got deceived by both empires. It got raped. Its people have every reason to be angry. Did you know that the most active anti-Putin population in Ukraine is based in and around the city of Lwow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lviv)? Dozens of them volunteer to go fight a couple thousand kilometers to the east of their home towns - just to keep the Russian Threat as far away as possible)

[Lebensraum]

D.I.

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