Originally posted by packerd_00
OK descendant of a war criminal.
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Paulapoker pronk and papageorge have started about 200 threads denying the holocaust
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Instead of accusing us of being holocaust deniers why don't the people who believe it actually happened show some evidence in support of their position?
You can't because there are exactly ZERO documents that exist which prove the Nazi's created a genocide program specifically targeting jews.
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Bullshit. Show the documents then.Originally posted by RobberComment -
The Faking Of Adolf Hitler For History Part 1-David IrvingComment -
David Irving
The biggest "faker" himself. The guy who wasn't even able to get the facts about Dresden straight The guy who is broke and lets Muslim leaders pay for him
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The single greatest researcher of the Nazi's. Period.Originally posted by zizoudane10David Irving
The biggest "faker" himself. The guy who wasn't even able to get the facts about Dresden straight The guy who is broke and lets Muslim leaders pay for him
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Obviously not. 135.000 deaths in Dresden, right?Originally posted by PhillyFlyers
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What? So, now you resort to making things up about him?Originally posted by zizoudane10Obviously not. 135.000 deaths in Dresden, right?
Not cool.
Fast forward to 45 minute mark of the video.
He never mentions how many were burned alive in Dresden but he does mention 40,000 in a small town 10 days after the Dresden crime.Comment -
How come the real Jews, not khazar converts, deny holohoax???Originally posted by Robber
Birkenau was a labor camp you nitwit, that's why baracks were built to house prisoners who worked in Auschwitz. Get your facts straight buddy.
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Within five minutes, any intelligent, open-minded person can be convinced that the Holocaust gassings of World War II are a profitable hoax.
Fred A. Leuchter is America's leading specialist on the design and fabrication of execution equipment, including homicidal gas chambers. In 1988, Leuchter scraped samples from the alleged gas chamber walls in Auschwitz, Birkenau and Lublin. Cyanide residue would be clearly evident on all these walls if gassings did occur. To his astonishment, Leuchter found no significant cyanide traces in any one of these rooms.
In 1991, the Polish government repeated these tests to disprove Leuchter's findings, but they as well found no evidence of any gassings ever occurring.
The structural integrity of these "gas chambers" is also extremely faulty. These rooms have ordinary doors and windows which are not hermetically sealed! There are large gaps between the floors and doors. If the Germans had attempted to gas anyone in these rooms, they would have died themselves, as the gas would have leaked and contaminated the entire area. Also, no equipment exists to exhaust the air-gas mixture from these buildings. Nothing was made to introduce or distribute the gas throughout the chambers. There are no provisions to prevent condensation of gas on the walls, floors or ceilings. No exhaust stacks have ever existed.
Though six million Jews supposedly died in the gas chambers, not one body has ever been autopsied and found to have died of gas poisoning. We have been shown piles of bodies from World War II, but most of these persons died of typhus or starvation or Allied bombings and a great many of those were murdered Germans, not Jews. Roughly the equivalent of ten football fields should be packed full of gassed bodies to present as evidence, yet not one body has ever been discovered.
The Germans documented everything in meticulous detail from shrubbery to arbors, but no pre-war or wartime plans or documents exist that detail or even mention any gas chambers for reasons of genocide. All documents ever presented were drawn up AFTER the war.
Even if we threw away all the evidence and accounted for every so-called gas chamber, it would have taken 68 YEARS to accomplish gassing six million Jews!
Even The Diary of Anne Frank is a hoax. Portions of the diary were written with a ball point pen. These pens were not in use at the time Anne Frank lived.
It is not denied concentration camps existed. Tragically, many died of typhus or starvation, as often happens in such situations. There is, however, no evidence that any gassings occurred for the reasons of genocide.
Israel continues to receive trillions of dollars worldwide as retribution for Holocaust gassings. Our country has donated more money to Israel than to any other country in the history of the world -- over $35 billion per year, everything included. If not for our extravagantly generous gifts to Israel, every family in America could afford a brand new Mercedes Benz. Surely the American people would be outraged if they realized their hard-earned money is being squandered in these difficult times.
With all this money at stake for Israel, it is easy to comprehend why this Holocaust hoax is so secretly guarded. The Jewish name for Holocaust is "Shoah." In Zionist circles, it is known as "Shoah Business." If nothing else, this unbelievable coverup demonstrates the irrepressible Zionist influence and control of our country. Their only defense against the facts is to cry out "antisemitic," "Skinhead" or "Nazi," whereas the majority of those who question the Holocaust are ordinary citizens...though you would never know it from the media.
In whatever way you can, please help shatter this profitable myth. It is time we stop sacrificing America's welfare for the sake of Israel and spend our hard-earned dollars on Americans.
(For more information contact The Institute for Historical Review P.O. Box 2739 Newport Beach, CA 92659 USA).
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You're the nitwit
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Jews have always been a very rebellious people. To this day they are still trying to break down our Ancient Greek, Egyptian and Roman cultures. Clever guy's, but they just dont have the raw power needed to be the dominant race of the world. Good luck buds
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LOL. Educate yourself before you speak. Hen never said that right? WrongOriginally posted by PhillyFlyers "Der Untergang Dresdens" by David Irving was first published in 1963. He always speaks about 135.000 deaths there. Why? He based in on Hans Voigt, member of the city government of Dresden who said there where ~35.000 deaths. Wait, 35.000? Yep, exactly. To justify his 135.000 Irving just made up the story that the first number disappeared. Yeah right, simply disappeared, like magic. Without having the slightest backup for this story (Hans Voigt always said 35.000, even when asked). Later, in the mid-60's, Irving "found" an alleged document "Der Höhere SS und Polizeiführer Dresden: Tagesbefehl Nr. 47, Luftangriff auf Dresden", short TB47, in which the Nr of deaths was 202.040. So in his next edition of "Der Untergang Dresdens" of 1967, Irvings new number was 202.040. But, unfortunately for him, the whole TB47 was a hoax, without any stamps or legit anything. In fact it was a manual copy of a manual copy of a faked Tagesbefehl, done way after the war. Ooooops. Irving had to admit that he was dead-wrong and did so later. In the same edition of 1967 Irving speaks of 69.000 people whose dead bodies were burned on the Altmarkt of Dresden. However, in the exact same book, just a few pages later, he suddenly speaks of 9000 bodies.In fact the German police counted 18.375 deaths until March 10 1945. The number was later corrected by them and the new Nr was ~38.000 for the whole city. And for both, unfortunately for you and Mr Irving are real documents available (f.e. Lagebericht 1404 of the same day as the fake TB47), and real people from that time said it again under oath. Götz Bergander proved without the slightest doubt left, that the TB47 was a bloody bad fake. Irving still continued in his next edition (1985) to speak of way way more deaths, so his publisher printed ROMAN (how embarassing for Irving) on this edition.
You shouldn't argue with a guy that has 100 times more knowledge (and can back it up) of these things than you. And you really should double-check your sources.
Isn't it funny how guys denying the holocaust (and things like that) always believe the first single guy who says so, but never in a million years check the facts available.
Next time Irving says he is the newborn Jesus or Napoleon or Hitler and total braindead idiots will believe it
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How little do you know...Originally posted by Robber
FYI, Birkenau was a name of german forced labor camp in the city of Auschwitz aka Oświęcim. This is a town in the Lesser Poland province of southern Poland, situated 50 kilometres west of Kraków, near the confluence of the rivers Vistula and Soła. WikipediaComment -
You are a liar.Originally posted by zizoudane10LOL. Educate yourself before you speak. Hen never said that right? Wrong "Der Untergang Dresdens" by David Irving was first published in 1963. He always speaks about 135.000 deaths there. Why? He based in on Hans Voigt, member of the city government of Dresden who said there where ~35.000 deaths. Wait, 35.000? Yep, exactly. To justify his 135.000 Irving just made up the story that the first number disappeared. Yeah right, simply disappeared, like magic. Without having the slightest backup for this story (Hans Voigt always said 35.000, even when asked). Later, in the mid-60's, Irving "found" an alleged document "Der Höhere SS und Polizeiführer Dresden: Tagesbefehl Nr. 47, Luftangriff auf Dresden", short TB47, in which the Nr of deaths was 202.040. So in his next edition of "Der Untergang Dresdens" of 1967, Irvings new number was 202.040. But, unfortunately for him, the whole TB47 was a hoax, without any stamps or legit anything. In fact it was a manual copy of a manual copy of a faked Tagesbefehl, done way after the war. Ooooops. Irving had to admit that he was dead-wrong and did so later. In the same edition of 1967 Irving speaks of 69.000 people whose dead bodies were burned on the Altmarkt of Dresden. However, in the exact same book, just a few pages later, he suddenly speaks of 9000 bodies.In fact the German police counted 18.375 deaths until March 10 1945. The number was later corrected by them and the new Nr was ~38.000 for the whole city. And for both, unfortunately for you and Mr Irving are real documents available (f.e. Lagebericht 1404 of the same day as the fake TB47), and real people from that time said it again under oath. Götz Bergander proved without the slightest doubt left, that the TB47 was a bloody bad fake. Irving still continued in his next edition (1985) to speak of way way more deaths, so his publisher printed ROMAN (how embarassing for Irving) on this edition.
You shouldn't argue with a guy that has 100 times more knowledge (and can back it up) of these things than you. And you really should double-check your sources.
Isn't it funny how guys denying the holocaust (and things like that) always believe the first single guy who says so, but never in a million years check the facts available.
Next time Irving says he is the newborn Jesus or Napoleon or Hitler and total braindead idiots will believe it
Read this from his own website.
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I know about birkenau nitwitOriginally posted by pronk
I didn't mention it
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Find the mistake donkeyOriginally posted by PhillyFlyers
And I don't give a flying (pun intended) fukk about the Nr he says now. It is black on white how he faked everything. In his own books. You can read them big boy, very easy to do that.
I'm out of here. I can prove you guys wrong on every single thing you say in here. Because I know the actual hard facts and check them. And I have studied this shit. There simply is no arguing with braindead monkeys like Pronk and PhillyFlyers. Sad but true. Aliens, demons, demonic aliens, satan, satanic aliens, bad bad Jews, bad bad "spooks", wuäh wuäh wuäh. One day you guys will land in a padded cell where you belong I'll ignore you bitches from now on.
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Face, that picture was taken in Buchenwald concentration camp after it was liberated by our troops. You bet, people died, as a victims of horrible war. Every nationality suffered casualties; some more and some less. But cunning & greedy ashkenazies are the only ones profitting from that awful tragedy. Do you ever wonder why they are despised and hated around the world.Comment -
Again, you are a liar. David Irving has never faked anything he's ever written. No one has ever proven him to be a fraud, not once.Originally posted by zizoudane10Find the mistake donkey
And I don't give a flying (pun intended) fukk about the Nr he says now. It is black on white how he faked everything. In his own books. You can read them big boy, very easy to do that.
I'm out of here. I can prove you guys wrong on every single thing you say in here. Because I know the actual hard facts and check them. And I have studied this shit. There simply is no arguing with braindead monkeys like Pronk and PhillyFlyers. Sad but true. Aliens, demons, demonic aliens, satan, satanic aliens, bad bad Jews, bad bad "spooks", wuäh wuäh wuäh. One day you guys will land in a padded cell where you belong I'll ignore you bitches from now on.
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There are compelling reasons to believe that the so-called holocaust never existed. Page 223, in The Diary of Anne Frank, (Pan Horizons edition, Pan Books Ltd., London, 1989), indicates that the size of Auschwitz, the most notorious of all German work camps, WAS VERY SMALL, with only 11,000 people (many of whom may not even have been Jews) being evacuated by the Germans at the time of the Russian advance in 1945. Certainly, compared to Spielberg's film, Schindler's List (which Emilie Schindler, Oskar's widow, said was full of lies), and other Jewish propaganda, that millions upon millions of Jews were systematically exterminated, 11,000 people is a very small number. Simple arithmetic tells us that the Germans would have had to have had hundreds of camps, or else they would have had to exterminate 137 people PER HOUR, in order for six million Jews to have been exterminated at such small camps as Auschwitz, a feat that would have been humanly impossible considering that, according to Douglas Reed's Behind the Scene and The Controversy of Zion, a mere 850,000 soldiers and others were killed by the entire German and Japanese war machines combined during WW2 (see p.397-400 of Douglas Reed's book Controversy of Zion). People who would believe the Jewish propaganda that six million Jews were exterminated by Hitler must KEEP IN MIND THE SMALL SCALE CONSTRUCTION OF AUSCHWITZ AND THE VERY FEW OTHER GERMAN WORK CAMPS THAT EXISTED DURING WW2.
On July 13, 1994, a documentary on the life of Charles A. Lindbergh broadcast on the Public Broadcast System (PBS - KENW-TV) said that when Lindbergh visited one of these few camps in Germany following WW2, he was told that 25,000 died in 1-1/2 years. Again, simple arithmetic tells us that 25,000 times a half dozen camps does not equal 6,000,000. In fact, it doesn't even equal 600,000. . . .
It is an interesting fact that the number of so-called persecuted Jews KEEPS INCREASING. Hal Greenwald, program director for the Hillel Foundation at Duke University, a Jewish student group, has been promoting the idea that NINE MILLION JEWS WERE EXTERMINATED IN HITLER'S GAS CHAMBERS (New York Times, Nov. 9, 1991, AP). NOW IT'S 9 MILLION AND GROWING. ..JUST LIKE OUR DEBT/TAX MONEY SUPPLY...THE NUMBERS JUST KEEP COMING OUT OF THIN AIR
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Celebrating a Jewish wedding in Westerbork 'Konzentrationslager' Camp, Holland.
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Jewish NKVD Murder Polish Elite
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Jewish collaboration with NKVD and Soviets
Jewish collaboration with NKVD and Soviets - I <article class="b-singlepost-body">The NKVD Executions In Poland<center>
</center>When Russia Occupied Poland in 1939The Jewish population was mainly from Russia, and Poles never fully accepted them. When Russia invaded Poland the Jews were like hungry dogs in front of a butcher shop, and now the shop door was open. This wasn't about Communism, or Bolsheviks, it was simply shipping off the intelligentsia, and wealthy Poles to Siberia, and grabbing their possessions.
What was it really like?
Only recently, on the pages of Rzeczpospolita, did there appear a lengthy article by Professor Tomasz Strzembosz, a distinguished researcher of recent Polish history and especially the period 1939-54. Strzembosz's article demonstrates the actual role of the Jewish population in eastern Poland in the years of the first Soviet occupation . The discussion to date, declares Strzembosz, "overlooks the most important fact: what happened in Jedwabne after the German army entered the area, i.e. who, when and in what circumstances carried out the mass murder of the Jewish population of Jedwabne." Strzembosz analyzes in depth the behavior of the Polish and Jewish populations in the years 1939-41, especially the initial and final periods of the first Soviet occupation.
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"The Jewish population," writes Strzembosz, "especially the young and the urban poor, participated en masse in greeting the entering [Soviet] army and in introducing the new order, even with guns in their hands. There are also thousands of testimonies to this: Polish, Jewish and Soviet, there are the reports of the Armed Combat Union commander-in-chief, Gen. Stefan Grot-Rowiecki, there is the report of courier Jan Karski ,there are accounts recorded during the war and in the postwar years.
Jews Executing Poles
What is more, the "guards" and "militias" springing up like mushrooms right after the Soviet attack were in large part made up of Jews. Nor is this all.
Jews committed acts of revolt against the Polish state, taking over towns and setting up revolutionary committees there, arresting and shooting representatives of the Polish state authorities, attacking smaller or even fairly large units of the Polish Army (as in Grodno). . It was armed collaboration, taking the side of the enemy, betrayal in the days of defeat."
Organizers of the red terrorThe Fifth Column
So it was in the first period, when the Polish state was still defending itself, when our army units were fighting and it seemed that not all was lost. The Jews then played the role of a "fifth column." Later, things became much worse. Strzembosz cites the conclusions of Dr. Marek Wierzbicki as to who implemented the Bolshevik terror - of course the NKVD and, before that, the Red Army, but the miscellaneous guard formations and militias played a decisive role on an everyday basis. And their ranks were primarily filled with Jews. "Polish Jews in civilian clothes, with red bands on their arms and armed with guns also play large part in arrests and deportations.
That was the most drastic thing, but for the Polish community another glaring fact was the large number of Jews in all the Soviet agencies and institutions. . in the period September-December 1939, numerous arrests took place of those representatives of the Polish population who before the war filled high functions in the administration and political structures of the Polish state or who were very involved in community work. The local Jews, members of the temporary administration or militia, provided extensive assistance to the Soviet authorities in tracking down and arresting them."
Jews Picked Out Poles For Execution
Why did this happen? What were the roots of this terrible hatred toward Poland and the cruel revenge on Poles? "It is true," writes Strzembosz, "things were not going very well for the Jews in Poland. but still, Jews were not being deported to Siberia, shot, sent to concentration camps, or killed by hunger and slave labor. If they did not consider Poland to be their homeland, they still did not have to treat it as an invader and join its mortal enemy in killing Polish soldiers and murdering Polish civilians fleeing to the east. Nor did they have to take part in designating their neighbors for deportation."
Torture in Jedwabne
Strzembosz proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that events took precisely the same course in Jedwabne itself. Here is one account from a resident of Jedwabne, Józef Rybicki, summing up what happened in the town after it fell to the Soviets:
Revenge On Their Polish Neighbors
"Jews who had put up an archway greeted the Red Army. They changed the old town government and proposed a new one drawn from the local population (Jews and communists). They arrested the police, the teachers . . . They led the NKVD to apartments and houses and denounced Polish patriots."
The description of the tortures inflicted upon Polish conspirators by the NKVD in Jedwabne is shocking. The following is an account by Corporal Antoni B., a member of the anti-Soviet underground who was turned in to the NKVD by Jews:
"they took me for interrogation, the investigating judge and the NKVD commander and one torturer came, and they sat me on a stool next to a brick wall, then I look over and one in civilian clothes took a stick from behind the stove like the kind in the walls of our tents, that long and thick, and suddenly they threw me on the floor and stuffed my cap in my mouth and started to beat me, I couldn't cry out because the judge sat on my legs and the second one held me by the head and held the cap in my mouth, and I fought back until I tore the cap to bits, and the third torturer beat me the whole time, I got that stick more or less 30 times, and they stopped beating me and sat me on the stool by the wall. I had long hair, and the senior lieutenant grabbed me by the hair and started to beat my head against the wall, I thought that nothing would be left of my head, he tore the whole clump of hair from my head . they threw me on the ground and started to beat me with a hazel stick, they turned me from side to side and beat me, and in addition two of them were still sitting on me and suffocating me and said that they would finish me off. They kept beating me until they probably knew that I couldn't take anymore, so at last they let me go. They beat me like a cat in a sack, and at the end they sat me on the stool and beat me with the stick on the arms." (from W czterdziestym nas matko na Sybir zesłali [In 1940, Mother, They Sent Us to Siberia],published by the Solidarity Interfactory Structure, p. 82).
I took this text from a collection of accounts prepared years ago for print by Professor Jan T. Gross. When writing his book about Jedwabne, Gross skips over the description of Antoni B.'s arrest and torture, although he quotes other fragments of this account. Why?
The facts leave no room for doubt: the
NKVD Ship Poles To Siberia
Jedwabne Jews, as in the entire territory occupied by the Soviets, constituted the nuts and bolts of the machinery of repression. Up to the last moment, they were delivering Polish patriots into the hands of the NKVD and preparing the next deportation transports to Siberia.
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NEIGHBOURS ON THE EVE OF THE HOLOCAUSTPOLISH-JEWISH RELATIONS IN SOVIET-OCCUPIED EASTERN POLAND, 1939-1941
Polish Jews Were Ecstatic When Russians Occupied Poland
The Targeting of Polish Officials and Civilians
Numerous testimonies attest to the prominent role played by Jews in the militias and "revolutionary committees" that sprung up both spontaneously and at Soviet urging. These entities often played a decisive part in getting the new regime and its machinery of repression off the ground. Their activities were buttressed by large numbers of individual collaborators acting on their own initiative in furtherance of the Soviet cause.
The Bandits Took Charge
Throughout Eastern Poland, local Jewish, Belorussian and Ukrainian communists formed militias and "revolutionary committees". With the blessing of the Soviet invaders, they apprehended, robbed, and even murdered Polish officials, policemen, teachers, politicians, community leaders, landowners, and "colonists" (i.e. interwar settlers) - the so-called enemies of the people. They also plundered and set fire to Polish property and destroyed Polish national and religious monuments. Scores of murders of individuals and groups have been recorded.
Robbery of Polish property took on massive proportions with the spoils enriching the collaborators' families and their communities.
One of the earliest and most hideous crimes was the murder of almost as many as fifty Poles in the village of Brzostowica Mala, near Grodno around September 20, before the Soviets were installed in the area.
Vicious Jews Killed A Polish Countess
A pro-communist band with red armbands and armed with blades and axes, led by a Jewish trader by the name of Ajzik, entered the village, dragged people out of their houses screaming, and cruelly massacred the entire Polish population. The victims included Count Antoni Wolkowicki and his wife Ludwika, his brother-in-law Zygmunt Woynicz-Sianozecki, the county reeve and his secretary, the accountant, the mailman, and the local teacher. The victims of this orgy of violence were tortured, tied with barbed wire, pummelled with sticks, forced to swallow quicklime, thrown into a ditch and buried alive.
The paralyzed Countess Ludwika Wolkowicka was dragged to the execution site by her hair. The murder was ordered by Zak Motyl, a Jew who headed the "revolutionary committee" - composed of Jews and Belorussians - in Brzostowica Wielka.
Typically, the culprits were never punished. On the contrary, the NKVD officers praised them for their "class-conscious" actions, and Ajzik was made the president of the local cooperative. The racist aspect of the crime, however, is undeniable - only members of the Polish minority perished at the hands of their non-Polish neighbours.
Janusz Brochowicz-Lewinski, an officer cadet who attained the rank of corporal in 1939, was captured by the Soviets near Stolpce. He was one of fifteen Poles, among them a judge, a pastor, a chaplain, a teacher, and several civil servants, taken before an NKVD tribunal in groups of five and sentenced to death. Fortunately, his group managed to escape while being transported to their unknown execution site. The other ten condemned Poles were executed by firing squad.
Judges, Policemen, Teachers Were All Killed
While Brochowicz-Lewinski was imprisoned in Stolpce, an NKVD officer made the rounds in the company of his aide, a local Jew who identified the members of the Polish educated class, now the so-called enemies of the people, among whom he had lived for years, by their occupation: judge, teacher, policeman, civil servant, forest-ranger, landowner.
Killed Catholic Priests
Equally despicable were the murders of Catholic clergymen carried out by roving gangs of Jews and Belorussians such as that of Rev. Bronislaw Fedorowicz, the pastor of Skrundzie near Slonim, and those of Rev. Antoni Twardowski, pastor of Juraciszki, near Wolozyn, and the latter's cleric, the Jesuit Stanislaw Zuziak.
A rabble of pro-Soviet Jews and Belorussians came to apprehend Rev. Jozef Bajko, the pastor of Naliboki near Stolpce, intending either to hand him over to the Soviet authorities or to possibly lynch him (as had been done in other localities). A large gathering of parishioners foiled these plans, allowing Rev. Bajko to escape before the arrival of the NKVD.
Henryk Poszwinski, the prewar mayor of Zdzieciol, a town near Nowogrodek, described the new order in his town:
... In Zdzieciol, a Jewish woman by the name of Josielewicz stood at the head of the revolutionary committee which was organized even before the arrival of the Soviet army.
Jews Executed Polish Police
The local police left town just after the Red Army had crossed the border. On the evening of September 17, I was informed that a band of criminals released from jail was getting ready to rob some stores. I called a meeting of the fire brigade and civilian guard and these two organizations began to provide security in our town. The stores were spared but the [criminal] bands attacked the defenceless civilians, who were escaping eastward from the Germans. The culprits stripped them of their clothes, shoes and anything else they had on them. Those, who resisted, were cruelly killed on the spot. Outside the town, roadside ditches were strewn with dead people.
... The revolutionary committee, which soon disarmed the fire brigade and civilian guard, stood by idly while all this was taking place.
In the morning hours of September 18, a small detachment of the Polish army still traversed Zdzieciol. It was a field hospital team transported in a dozen or so horse-drawn carriages. The convoy consisted of thirty soldiers led by a sergeant. The revolutionary committee attempted to stop and disarm them. The soldiers discharged a volley of gunfire into the air. The revolutionary committee ran out of town in a stampede and hid in the thickets of the municipal cemetery.
... In the afternoon hours of September 18, the Soviet army entered Nowogrodek. That evening the first three Soviet tanks arrived in Zdzieciol. The entire revolutionary committee, headed by Josielewicz, came out to greet the invaders shouting: 'Long live the great Stalin!' After a short stop the tanks moved toward Slonim. The revolutionary committee ordered owners to display red flags from their houses. The Poles cried like children as they tore the white portion off the [white and red] Polish flags.
... In the morning hours of September 19, a Jew from the revolutionary committee came to the town hall and advised me that I was being summoned by the committee to attend a meeting concerning an epidemic of foot-and-mouth disease which had broken out among some cattle that had been brought to Zdzieciol. Believing what I had been told to be true, I immediately got up from my desk and accompanied that man to the headquarters of the committee located at the other end of town. I had to wait about an hour before I was taken to the chairwoman's office. During that time I observed the true picture of the "revolution". Hundreds of people surrounded the committee premises; most of them were women who had broken out in tears and were wailing. 'Return our stolen property!' they cried. 'Release our husbands and fathers of our children!'
... People who had been badly beaten occupied the corners of the room; most of them were refugees fleeing the Germans. The committee members, who were dressed in civilian clothes with red armbands and had Soviet stars on their hats, carried rifles or revolvers in their hands and competed with each other in brutally mistreating these people. It was a sight that I had difficulty countenancing.
After about an hour's wait the door was thrown open and I was summoned into the chairwoman's office. When I entered I noticed three rifle barrels pointed at me. One of the bandits yelled, 'Hands up!' I raised my hands and turned to the chairwoman. 'What have I done wrong? Why are you treating me like this?' Although she knew Polish well, Josielewicz replied in Russian, 'You will find out in due course'.
After being searched [and stripped of all my personal effects] I was instructed to move toward the table occupied by Josielewicz, the chairwoman, and by a Soviet NKVD officer. The officer removed a form from his bag and started to complete it. ... The last portion of the form asked for the reason for my arrest and imprisonment. Before filling it out, the NKVD officer turned to the chairwoman and asked what to enter. The chairwoman replied, 'He's a Polish officer, a Polish patriot, the former mayor of the town. That's probably reason enough'. The NKVD officer wrote in this portion: 'Dangerous element'.
After filling out this form, three committee members escorted me to police detention. In a small detention room built to hold no more than four people for a short period, there were twenty-three people who had been arrested. Unable to sit down in that crowded place, we had to stand one next to another the whole time. People fainted from lack of air and had to relieve themselves on the spot. Among those arrested were school principals, county reeves, village administrators, officials and various other people who had escaped eastward from the Germans, as well as a priest who often repeated under his breath, 'Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do'.
We spent almost an entire day in this place of detention. Finally, on September 20, we were put in a truck and taken to the jail in Nowogrodek. During the entire journey, which lasted more than an hour, we were lying on the floor of the truck used to transport coal while four Jews from the revolutionary committee watched over us with rifles in their hands. Every now and then one of them would warn us, 'Don't lift your heads, or you'll get a bullet in your skull'.
Along the road over which the truck moved slowly we encountered in many places Soviet artillery going in the opposite direction. Soviet soldiers would approach our vehicle during the stops and ask, 'Who are you carrying and where are you going?'
'We're taking Poles to the jail', the guards would answer.
'What have they done wrong?'
'They haven't done anything. It's enough that they're Poles!'
From Clerk To Head Of The Militia
In Baranowicze, Jews filled the ranks of the "red militia" and denounced Polish officers, policemen, teachers, and government officials to the NKVD. At night black box-like carriages arrived at the homes of these people. They were loaded on, taken to the railway station, and deported to the Gulag - never to be heard from again. Among those arrested with the assistance of local Jews, was the sister of Boguslaw J. Jedrzejec and eight members of her family. Her husband and father were murdered by the NKVD in Baranowicze; the rest of the family was deported to the Soviet interior in the winter of 1939–1940.
According to Nachum Alpert, in Slonim,
... A provisional city administration was organized in Slonim, headed by Matvei Kolotov, a Jew from Minsk. ... Kolotov immediately began organizing a "Workers Guard" (a temporary militia), whose function was to maintain order in the city. Heading this Guard was Chaim Chomsky, a veteran communist.
... And no sooner did the NKVD arrive than it made itself felt everywhere. First they deported merchants, manufacturers, Polish officers and police; then Bundists, Zionists, Trotskyites and Polish "colonists" and "kulaks" from the villages. Many inncocent people were caught in this dragnet.
According to Polish sources, Chaim Chomsky (Chomski), who took charge of the "revolutionary committee", issued a direction to have the Polish mayor Bienskiewicz arrested when he reported to work on September 18; afterwards, all traces of the mayor disappeared. A Jew, soldier in the Polish army, who found himself in Slonim for a brief period in September 1939 claims that the only Jews, who collaborated with the Soviet invaders were long-time communists: ... I don't deny that there were Jews - old-time communists - who disarmed Polish detachments, but adds, quite correctly, ... but can one blame this on all the Jews?
In Dunilowicze, a small town near Postawy, a Jewish woman by the name of Chana, led Soviet soldiers to the home of her neighbour, Jozef Obuchowski, a sergeant of the Frontier Defence Corps. Pointing to his wife she said, ... This is a Polish 'Pani' ['lady' - the feminine of 'Pan'], her husband is in the military.' The soldiers tore apart the house looking in vain for her husband, the sergeant. The Polish woman was taken away instead. During her interrogation, which lasted twenty-four hours, she was forced to keep her hands raised and was drenched with water until she passed out.
Another Polish "Pani", Mrs. Kwiatkowska, was arrested by the Jewish Committee on her estate near the towns of Wolozyn and Wiszniew, soon after the Soviet army passed through. The de facto local authority rested with such groups which had sprung up like mushrooms. It was they, who led the Soviet officials to their prey. Mrs. Kwiatkowska endured Soviet prisons until the end of 1949.
Witold Rozwadowski and his father were arrested on their estate near Kucewicze. The former was held interned in Oszmiana, where he was murdered by a Jewish colleague, who had joined the Soviet militia.
In Oszmiana, They Became Kings
... The temporary authorities consisted of Jews and communists ... who proclaimed themselves the commissars of the town. Power was exercised with the help of the militia consisting for the most part of Jews and communists. The Jews and communists served the Bolsheviks through denunciations out of spite and by betraying soldiers and police out of uniform.
... The militia was the terror of the population because individual militiamen competed with each other in their servility.
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An englishman driving an english tractor. What is this supposed to prove?Originally posted by faceComment -
Shame on you Pronk and Philly both ignorant of the facts...you are both just assholes/drama troll queens.
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shame for resisting to be brainwashed?Originally posted by RITZShame on you Pronk and Philly both ignorant of the facts...you are both just assholes/drama troll queens.
No, shame on you blind and naive sheep for following your ashkenazi butchers to the slaughter.Comment -
Why should I feel shame for simply wanting the truth?Originally posted by RITZShame on you Pronk and Philly both ignorant of the facts...you are both just assholes/drama troll queens.
Nothing pronk or I have said in this thread is false or misleading. We simply want the truth.Comment -
The holocaust occurred.
It was horrific. It has been repeated since in various parts of the world.
i do not expect to convince either of you with a posting - nor should I be able too.
You are entitled,to your opinion - it is the information that you are deriving your opinion from that is questionable.
I only can can believe what I have seen, what my relatives on both sides of the war witnessed, I rely on their statements more than the information you have gathered.
Good luck in your quest for the truth - my only suggestion is to try to be open minded that you might be wrong.Comment -
The information that you are deriving your opinion from is just as questionable.Originally posted by toga toga
Where is the evidence that the Nazi's had an official genocide program to exterminate the jews via gas chamber?
Where is the evidence for the 6 million figure?
What official documents do you have to prove your side?
You have NOTHING.Comment -
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.Originally posted by retard
From the book of RevelationComment
