If he had anything to hide he wouldn't have given his name. He lived right around the block from where this happened at. I am telling you that he didn't want the cops at his house and I don't blame him. If I were calling 9-1-1 every night, I wouldn't people knowing who was calling them either. And people would know this if the cops were at my house repeatedly.
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Oh mygawwwd. She said she didnt see blood on the sidewalk!. Owneddddddddd, Then they show the lint from Trayvon Martin sweater that was recovered from the sidewalkComment -
Did you see how far TM's body was from that sidewalk? How could he be dragging Zimmerman on the concrete and NOT have one shred of blood, DNA, skin or bruises? How could the police not find blood or DNA on the concrete? Did you see Zimmerman's wounds? That shit was superficial. I've had more bruises bumping into somebody.
and none of this matters. Zimmerman provoked this. It doesn't matter if TM was slamming his head. TM was in fear for his life. GZ was not in fear. If he was, he would have stayed in the car. Do you not see that?
I'm not hellbent on anything. I just don't agree that Joe watchman can just be his own vigilante, exacting justice the way he sees fit. Do you have any idea the precedent this set's if he's acquitted?
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Who the hell calls 911 every night? He called 5 times in the past year. None of which led to anything. This guy was pulling wolf tickets. Profiling and harassing young black guys.
How the hell would someone get your address from 911? Do you think the emergency 911 center is crooked? Do you think someone there is going to give your address out to burglars? You called the police, aren't you going to have to meet them when they show up? Isn't everyone in the neighborhood going to know that you called the police??? I've never heard of anyone calling the police and telling them they don't want to give out their address. That's ludicrous.
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Zimmerman didn't chase him down wielding the gun at him and told him to get on his knees nagger, then shoot him. Thats the way they are portraying this. Think about it in realistic terms....listen to the testimony as well as the witness reports and the phone calls.
Zimmerman most likely walked through that cut through and saw him...Martin probably turned to talk/argue with him about following him and neighbors have stated they heard arguing...then the fight was seen and Martin was on top pummeling Zimmerman...then the shot was fired. One single shot that through all accounts and ballistics proves it came from Zimmerman on the ground firing a shot into Trayvon straight up and through the chest. No denying that fact. And the theory that 'he faked his injuries' is crazy because not only are there witnesses on the scene who saw it but police arrived right after..not enough time to have George do all of that.
I get that you say Zimmerman should have just let it all go....maybe so. But this is not murder. It could have easily been one of those stories where you see this stuff and just go on your merry way and then read where the character you saw in the dark in the rain in dark clothes looking at windows broke into one of those windows and raped a 12 year old girl and killed her family or whatever else. Zimmerman did what hundreds of people do every single day. That wasnt a crime so it really doesnt hold any weight here. The same could be said that had Trayvon not been where he was or acting as he was...wouldn't have happened.
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Prosecutions own witness said she SPECIFICALLY advises people and Zimmerman himself to call 911. She testified under oath for the prosecutor that Zimmerman was active and helpful and she was trying to recruit him for further participation so he wasn't just a random citizen calling.
Second point, he said in the call he didn't mean to give it out because the guy might still be in the area....perfectly reasonable given the fact his wife was alone in an apartment right there.....nothing to do with dispatch being crooked.
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I fully agree with this but I also think that within the law (the way it stands) he should not be guilty. I am way more against a judicial system that is willing to completely ignore the laws they are suppose to serve. If these politicians and activists spent more time fighting stand your ground as a completely stupid law rather than trying to invoke hate by playing the race card, it will benefit everyone in the future. Look at how much hoopla they have made out of gun control. Shouldnt something like this go hand in hand with laws that essentially gives people a license to kill
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From Wikipedia:
The Retreat at Twin Lakes is a 260-unit gated townhome community in Sanford, Florida.[83][84] The population in the development at the time of the shooting, was about 49% non-Hispanic white, 23% Hispanic, 20% black, and 5% Asian, according to Census figures.[71] Both George Zimmerman and Tracy Martin's fiancee were renting homes in the development when the shooting occurred.[38] At the time of the shooting, Martin had been staying with his father's fiancee at The Retreat.[85] From January 1, 2011 through February 26, 2012, police were called to The Retreat at Twin Lakes 402 times.[71]
During the 18 months preceding the February 26 shooting, Zimmerman called the non-emergency police line seven times. On five of those calls, Zimmerman reported suspicious looking men in the area, but never offered the men's race without first being asked by the dispatcher.[86][87][88] Crimes committed at The Retreat in the year prior to Martin's death included eight burglaries, nine thefts, and one shooting.[89] Twin Lakes residents said there were dozens of reports of attempted break-ins, which had created an atmosphere of fear in their neighborhood.[63] In September 2011, the Twin Lakes residents held an organizational meeting to create a neighborhood watch program. Zimmerman was selected by neighbors as the program's coordinator, according to Wendy Dorival, Neighborhood Watch organizer for the Sanford Police Department.[5][90] [5]
Three weeks prior to the shooting, on February 2, 2012, Zimmerman called police to report a young man peering into the windows of an empty Twin Lakes home. Zimmerman was told a police car was on the way and he waited for their arrival. By the time police arrived, the suspect had fled. On February 6, workers witnessed two young black men lingering in the yard of a Twin Lakes resident around the same time her home was burglarized. A new laptop and some gold jewelry were stolen. The next day police discovered the stolen laptop in the backpack of a young black man, which led to his arrest. Zimmerman identified this young man as the same person he had spotted peering into windows on February 2.[63]
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Prosecution didn't want Martins photos of him smoking weed and with guns shown because he may be portrayed as a thug.....um you know why!? Because he was a penetrating thug!Comment -
There seems to be agreement by most reasonable posters on several points: Zimmerman follows Martin in his car. He is advised not to, but he does and at some point he gets out of the car to approach Martin. Martin beats up Zimmerman, Zimmerman is most likely afraid during the fight. Zimmerman shoots Martin at close range.
I don't think Zimmerman wanted Martin to pound his head into the ground so he could kill him and get away with it. That's a dumb plan and there's no evidence that's how he wanted it to go down. Many think Zimmerman was "in the wrong" and negligent by starting this confrontation, especially given that he had a gun. Let's grant that. How does that make Zimmerman guilty of 2nd degree murder? You could walk up to someone, think they're ugly, and murder them without any precipitating events and the likely charge would be 2nd degree murder. Do folks really think this situation is equivalent?Comment -
Going to use the cliche "its as simple as this "
Here it goes.
Its as simple as this.
If Zimmerman does not serve some kind of sentence over what happened that night
then I will lose all faith for our criminal justice system .
I mean hell one day we are going to find ourselves letting
mothers blatantly kill their children and our courts not even prosecute them .
Wouldnt that be a scary thought people
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Who the hell calls 911 every night? He called 5 times in the past year.
365 days in a year....
5 calls....
thats once every 73 days...
EVERY NIGHT ?
None of which led to anything. This guy was pulling wolf tickets. Profiling and harassing young black guys. Please provided evidence that when he made the 9-11 call and said he was going to follow the subject that he knew the guy was a young black guy
How the hell would someone get your address from 911? Do you think the emergency 911 center is crooked? Do you think someone there is going to give your address out to burglars? You called the police, aren't you going to have to meet them when they show up? Isn't everyone in the neighborhood going to know that you called the police??? I've never heard of anyone calling the police and telling them they don't want to give out their address. That's ludicrous.
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If the animal hadn't attacked Zimmerman he wouldn't have been killedDid you see how far TM's body was from that sidewalk? How could he be dragging Zimmerman on the concrete and NOT have one shred of blood, DNA, skin or bruises? How could the police not find blood or DNA on the concrete? Ummm...it was RAINING Did you see Zimmerman's wounds? That shit was superficial. I've had more bruises bumping into somebody.
and none of this matters. Zimmerman provoked this. It doesn't matter if TM was slamming his head. TM was in fear for his life. GZ was not in fear. If he was, he would have stayed in the car. Do you not see that?
I'm not hellbent on anything. I just don't agree that Joe watchman can just be his own vigilante, exacting justice the way he sees fit. Do you have any idea the precedent this set's if he's acquitted?Comment -
From January 1, 2011 through February 26, 2012, police were called to The Retreat at Twin Lakes 402 times.[71] During the 18 months preceding the February 26 shooting, Zimmerman called the non-emergency police line seven times. On five of those calls, Zimmerman reported suspicious looking men in the area, but never offered the men's race without first being asked by the dispatcher.[86][87][88] Crimes committed at The Retreat in the year prior to Martin's death included eight burglaries, nine thefts, and one shooting.[89] Twin Lakes residents said there were dozens of reports of attempted break-ins, which had created an atmosphere of fear in their neighborhood.[63]
In September 2011, the Twin Lakes residents held an organizational meeting to create a neighborhood watch program. Zimmerman was selected by neighbors as the program's coordinator, according to Wendy Dorival, Neighborhood Watchorganizer for the Sanford Police Department.[5][90] [5]
Three weeks prior to the shooting, on February 2, 2012, Zimmerman called police to report a young man peering into the windows of an empty Twin Lakes home. Zimmerman was told a police car was on the way and he waited for their arrival. By the time police arrived, the suspect had fled. On February 6, workers witnessed two young black men lingering in the yard of a Twin Lakes resident around the same time her home was burglarized. A new laptop and some gold jewelry were stolen. The next day police discovered the stolen laptop in the backpack of a young black man, which led to his arrest. Zimmerman identified this young man as the same person he had spotted peering into windows on February 2.[63]
Zimmerman had been licensed to carry a firearm since November 2009. In response to Zimmerman's multiple reports regarding a loose pit bull in the Twin Lakes neighborhood, a Seminole County Animal Services officer advised Zimmerman to "get a gun", according to a friend, rather than rely on pepper spray to fend off the pit bull, which on one occasion had cornered his wife.[63] Although neighborhood watch volunteers are not encouraged to carry weapons, Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee acknowledged that Zimmerman had a legal right to carry his firearm on the night of the shooting.[71]Comment -
Martin had been suspended from school at the time of his death, his third disciplinary suspension of the year.[44] One suspension was for tardiness. Another suspension was for graffiti, when Martin was observed by a security camera in a restricted area of the school marking up a door with "W.T.F." When he was later searched by a Miami-Dade School Police Department officer, looking for the graffiti marker, the officer found several pieces of women's jewelry in his backpack, which Martin said were not his, stating a friend had given them to him. A screwdriver was also found, which was described by the school police investigator as a burglary tool. The jewelry was impounded and given to the police, but no evidence ever surfaced to indicate that the jewelry was stolen. Martin's third suspension involved a marijuana pipe, and an empty bag containing marijuana residue.Comment -
Im going to conduct an experiment in TREEEVONNZZ memory. Im going down to MLK blvd in Sunrise Fl down by the swap shop. I will walk ONLY on the sidewalk up and back through Sistrunk Ave at 1 am. Lets see how I do!
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Lets review bookings in Palm Beach today, should be a real hoot!
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