playersonly69 chip dumping hand

**Jayvegas420** · 05-10-12, 11:09 PM

Has PO69 retained legal council yet?
I will work pro-bono as a para-legal for 400 SBR points an hour.
cal me.

**spankie** · 05-10-12, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Playersonly seems like a major fraud on this site

so many complaints on him

Why is he not eliminated from SBR??

TTWARRIOR got fukked here

agreed.

players only sounds like a fuktard also.

not too educated i think.

**hawley** · 05-10-12, 11:39 PM

Why is this thread still open?

I complete my investigation and reported to John.

**RudyRuetigger** · 05-10-12, 11:45 PM

nevermind, done with thread for now

**ttwarrior1** · 05-11-12, 12:01 AM

lmao at po trying to cover himself

now he is changing his story ,he already admitted to folding to keep me from the final 10,

Now he is saying something different

He is a fraud and scared

**spankie** · 05-11-12, 12:04 AM

exposed!!!!!

**BigDaddy** · 05-11-12, 12:04 AM

Originally posted by RudyRuetigger

nevermind, done with thread for now

that's a shame

it was one hell of a post.

**Cuse0323** · 05-11-12, 12:57 AM

I hate myself for reading this whole thread. Thank god some of you only play SBR poker.

**ShawNee922** · 05-11-12, 12:59 AM

Originally posted by shari91

I agree with your opinion.

But I also agree with Paul because I know he doesn't mess around. If PO had a good hand and laid down, he should be penalised.

However I've played with him many times on the big ring tables for a hell of a lot of points - and there's no way he'd lay down unless he thought he was beat.

Someone show me that he didn't have rags and I'll make a video doing something gross. Won't happen though. He had the same crap that he constantly tried to buy and push pots with me with when they were worth 10k and more. Those are 10k real pts. Not prelim pts.

Guy did some crappy things as a human (and I'll never let you forget them you wanker) but he knows how to play poker a little. My guess is that he tried to buy the pot, got called and shit himself so bailed so he could save chips for the final knowing he'd make it there. And then he trash talked tt because 1. they don't get along and 2. anyone who has listened to tt's yammering about arabs or knows po's history can see why'd they flame out against each other.

PLAY POKER.

You are thinking too much.
My own drphil101 handbook tells me he did exactly as he announced.

He had the all-in kat beat but left him in the game hoping TT would get bounced first ...

**ShawNee922** · 05-11-12, 01:04 AM

Originally posted by playersonly69

I didnt INTENTIONALLY LOSE A HAND GUYS!!!!

Hell I was trying to steal the damn blinds and antes!!!! He went all in over the top and exposed my bad play and I didnt want to show the other players that I was playing shit.

I NEVER admitted to folding on purpose, I just didnt want to show that I was raising with shit

Ok! Good deal. Apology accepted ...

**Iwinyourmoney** · 05-11-12, 01:16 AM

This is not "chip dumping"....this is smart poker play. TT take it as a complement. It means your a strong player

In tourney play is all strategy....just like in a 3 way pot with one player all in....both players check no matter what.

No foul play here

**sickler** · 05-11-12, 01:16 AM

**boeing power** · 05-11-12, 01:49 AM

Po69 Might have killed some people in Mexico and let his dogs die in Katrina but he is still more likeable than ttwarrior.

**ttwarrior1** · 05-11-12, 02:59 AM

wow way off comment there, only 2 or 3 on sbr like him over me, guarantee boeing won't answer what he thinks about the hand. Oops, he might now since i said he wouldn't

**milwaukee mike** · 05-11-12, 07:16 AM

Originally posted by RudyRuetigger

playersonly69: i just dont want titywarrior making the final table
playersonly69: i am going to fold here so he doesnt make it

I don't see how you think the above isn't the same as "i am folding right now to screw over tt"

my bad
i thought it was said after the fact

still has me agreeing with shari's poker call, if po69 had rags then he was just saying that to irritate tt. if he had a big hand then perhaps a warning would be in order.

again, these guys are both hard to defend in this situation.
but i can see both sides here, it was a dick move by po69 to say that but i am happy there is no major punishment

**LVHerbie** · 05-11-12, 07:22 AM

Originally posted by boeing power

Po69 Might have killed some people in Mexico and let his dogs die in Katrina but he is still more likeable than ttwarrior.

PO69 -125
Tittty +105

While PO69 is currently winning as the least likable, power ratings will updated follow the release of the results of Hawley's and Zeta's investigation...

**dumbmoney** · 05-11-12, 08:23 AM

So you guys take SBR Poker pretty serious, huh?

**RudyRuetigger** · 05-11-12, 08:59 AM

Originally posted by BigDaddy

that's a shame

it was one hell of a post.

it stayed in the nominated section anyway.

people arguing that he probably didn't want to show a 7 high bluff must not understand pot odds plus implied odds of future hands due to table image.

po69 is a good player. if he had just folded and said nothing we wouldn't know if it was a misclick, dumb play, or chip dumping. saying what he did in chat lets us know which one it falls under.

still this is like failing to stop at a stop sign. more alarming sbr think its ok than what po did.

**wtt0315** · 05-11-12, 09:03 AM

would be funny if one day someone proved ttwarrior and po69 was the same person

**thetrinity** · 05-11-12, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by Iwinyourmoney

This is not "chip dumping"....this is smart poker play. TT take it as a complement. It means your a strong player

In tourney play is all strategy....just like in a 3 way pot with one player all in....both players check no matter what.

No foul play here

its actually horrible beyond belief play.

**RudyRuetigger** · 05-11-12, 12:52 PM

what i dont understand is why people are arguing about what the cards were? as if that makes a difference. people have no clue about pot odds apparently. even if there were no antes and you could put the other guy on exactly aa, its a call. you'd be getting like 5.4:1 pot odds as a 4.8:1 underdog

so please stop with the "he knew he was beat and didn't want to show 7high"

that argument is non existent here.

like i said, about like running a stop sign in this scenario. no big deal really, but sbr is wrong to think its not against the rules.

**spankie** · 05-11-12, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by dumbmoney

So you guys take SBR Poker pretty serious, huh?

so do you it appears.

how was the five guys?

what'd you pick up at target?

**milwaukee mike** · 05-11-12, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by RudyRuetigger

what i dont understand is why people are arguing about what the cards were? as if that makes a difference. people have no clue about pot odds apparently. even if there were no antes and you could put the other guy on exactly aa, its a call. you'd be getting like 5.4:1 pot odds as a 4.8:1 underdog

so please stop with the "he knew he was beat and didn't want to show 7high"

that argument is non existent here.

like i said, about like running a stop sign in this scenario. no big deal really, but sbr is wrong to think its not against the rules.

sorry rudy but i disagree with you on that one.
if you think you are against an overpair and getting 5.4 to 1 odds (ignoring the real possibility that the raiser had 77 and you are almost drawing dead) as a 4.8 to 1 underdog AND you would rather not show a bluff of rags, that might be a rational move.

not every decision should be based solely on math, and this one was pretty close math-wise anyway. i've folded many times into pot odds knowing it was the right move. if you know you are 60/40 favorite and it takes your last 4000 to call into 7000 you might not want to do that for example.

**MoneyLineDawg** · 05-11-12, 02:04 PM

Milwaukee Mike......come on man......po69 had 22k chips behind him, and a short stack could be shoving anything there as well (can't just put him on aces, and even so it's the correct call)

po69 is not worried about table image there on SBR poker, Atleast not enough to NOT CALL there getting those pot odds......Not buying that bullshit, no chance

He admits why he folds, so why try to get into his brain and try to rationalize a different reason.....How can you say well "maybe he was worried about table image and folds to piss off TT"...........He admits the reason why he folds, case closed!

**YorkHunt** · 05-11-12, 02:14 PM

TT warrior is fat

**RudyRuetigger** · 05-11-12, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

sorry rudy but i disagree with you on that one.
if you think you are against an overpair and getting 5.4 to 1 odds (ignoring the real possibility that the raiser had 77 and you are almost drawing dead) as a 4.8 to 1 underdog AND you would rather not show a bluff of rags, that might be a rational move.

you are trying to claim you don't want to show a bluff, uhhh if you fold getting those odds you are not only showing you were bluffing but that you suck at poker too.

and also, if you are putting 77 in his range, you have to put a huge amount of other hands in his range too which make this spot not even questionable.

misclick, bad play, even some meta leveling play might make it a fold, but the key here is he stated why the play was made. we don't have to interpret anything. he said why he was doing what he did.

**Jayvegas420** · 05-11-12, 02:25 PM

Why hasn't anyone posted the section from the SBR Poker rules that explicitly details which rule he broke?
I think we've heard far too much about how unpopular these players are & not enough about what rule was broken.
It seems that TT siders have chosen to ignore the poker rules side of this argument & press the unpopularity issues surrounding PO69.
PO69 supporters are not necessarily defending him but they are arguing the rule. (Whether he actually broke one or not)
Doesnt matter whether you like Phil Hellmuth more than Tony G but they are both entitled to play their card withing the confines of the poker room rules.

**milwaukee mike** · 05-11-12, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by RudyRuetigger

you are trying to claim you don't want to show a bluff, uhhh if you fold getting those odds you are not only showing you were bluffing but that you suck at poker too.

and also, if you are putting 77 in his range, you have to put a huge amount of other hands in his range too which make this spot not even questionable.

misclick, bad play, even some meta leveling play might make it a fold, but the key here is he stated why the play was made. we don't have to interpret anything. he said why he was doing what he did.

fair enough, good arguments. still doesn't make it against the rules though does it? i have read over the rules of a few different sites and none of them say you can't intentionally target another player. they say you can't play soft against someone or dump to someone, but i haven't seen anything saying you can't try your darndest to keep a certain player out of the money.

**milwaukee mike** · 05-11-12, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by MoneyLineDawg

Milwaukee Mike......come on man......po69 had 22k chips behind him, and a short stack could be shoving anything there as well (can't just put him on aces, and even so it's the correct call)

po69 is not worried about table image there on SBR poker, Atleast not enough to NOT CALL there getting those pot odds......Not buying that bullshit, no chance

He admits why he folds, so why try to get into his brain and try to rationalize a different reason.....How can you say well "maybe he was worried about table image and folds to piss off TT"...........He admits the reason why he folds, case closed!

ok i'll agree with you there. but everything i've read about chip dumping is that you are doing it to benefit one of your own accounts or a buddy.

i look at it this way - if i own the land next door, and my neighbor (who i hate) offers me 100k for it and a complete stranger offers me 40k for it then why can't i take the 40k just to piss of the neighbor? it's my land to do with as i choose even if it's a dumb financial decision.
yes it has negative consequences to tt, but he wasn't in the hand and these guys weren't working together.

like rudy says, even if it is "cheating" (i'll argue he was only cheating himself) it's on the very low end of the scale compared to what you see in tournaments every day in every casino.

**RudyRuetigger** · 05-11-12, 03:41 PM

Tournament chip dumping is defined as a situation where one player purposely loses chips to another player with the sole intent of increasing their combined chances of winning prize money

PO69 said he was folding only because he didn't want ttwarrior making the final table (aka purposely loses chips to another player). His sole intent was to increase the chances of mih winning prize money (in order to hurt ttwarriors).

Its a pretty simple case.

**shari91** · 05-11-12, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by RudyRuetigger

Tournament chip dumping is defined as a situation where one player purposely loses chips to another player with the sole intent of increasing their combined chances of winning prize money

PO69 said he was folding only because he didn't want ttwarrior making the final table (aka purposely loses chips to another player). His sole intent was to increase the chances of mih winning prize money (in order to hurt ttwarriors).

Its a pretty simple case.

"Tournament chip dumping is defined as a situation where one player purposely loses chips to another player with the sole intent of increasing their combined chances of winning prize money"

Where? I'm not being sarcastic. I'd seriously like to know who posts this rule on their site or utilises it in every day tourney play based on this situation. Crown doesn't. They're not the Bellagio but they do host the Aussie Millions so I think they have a bit of a clue. Who does? I don't think FullTilt did either because I was targeted constantly but then often helped out as well.

If I don't like you, don't want to reveal that I'm a massive bluffer and pusher (which anyone who's played with PO knows that he is) or want to hold onto my chips for the final table, I can. As Paul said, they'll look at the cards. Unless I laid down a strong hand, I'm fine.

**JACK MATZ** · 05-11-12, 05:03 PM

Did not read every page but it seems like only a few people here understand math, poker, EV, ect.....
PO69 did exactly what he said he was doing in the chat. There is no way he folds there for any other reason than to **** over the other player.
Anybody that says maybe he didn't want to show that he was raising with rags needs to stop playing poker. Everyone has a table image and you adjust it accordingly. If you think it's bad that other players see you raised with rags....STOP PLAYING POKER! Being a big stack with over 20K behind and looking at 1180 to win 7830 with the action closed.......
This thread is so dumb
I WOULD CALL HOLDING JUST ONE CARD.... A DUECE. I think PO is a decent player and would do the same, If he says different he's lying.

C'MON MANNNNN!

**shari91** · 05-11-12, 05:07 PM

Jack Matz - I'm not sure anyone is actually debating what PO did. The point is, was it against any sort of poker rules? Not at Crown. Just trying to ask for other proven examples of how he'd be "banned". I got on the phone to ask what would happen to him and paid quite a bit for the privilege to tape it. I'm sure others can do the same for free. Thanks.

**RudyRuetigger** · 05-11-12, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by shari91

Jack Matz - I'm not sure anyone is actually debating what PO did. The point is, was it against any sort of poker rules? Not at Crown. Just trying to ask for other proven examples of how he'd be "banned". I got on the phone to ask what would happen to him and paid quite a bit for the privilege to tape it. I'm sure others can do the same for free. Thanks.

sorry, but your call was ridiculous. that's why i didn't comment on it.

its not my job to do the same for free. its sbr's job to make the game fair

**nosniboR11** · 05-11-12, 05:15 PM

sbr continues to make themselves look bad