SBR Poker 2012 schedule Mon-Fri (Jan 2nd-March 16th)

[zsr]

+1 on speeding up the blind structures. Lol at anyone thinking sbr point tourneys come down to skill, not sure why anyone who thinks there a great poker player would be wasting time playing for pennies? .

Like the new time slots though

[ThaddeusB]

+1 on speeding up the blind structures. Lol at anyone thinking sbr point tourneys come down to skill, not sure why anyone who thinks there a great poker player would be wasting time playing for pennies? .

Like the new time slots though

Poker is a game of skill. If SBR wants to be taken seriously by poker players (and they've stated they do), then they need to keep it that way by keeping a (somewhat) reasonable blind structure. If you want a game of luck, try the casino. Also, 600 points is worth $42, which is hardly "pennies."

Thaddeus

[downsouth]

Under the 2011 blind structure, a typical tournament was 1:15-1:30. There is no need to speed it up further, and indeed doing so would be detrimental to the game considering that the tournaments already become 80% luck at or before the bubble usually.

I do agree that 10 should be paid. 9 paid from a final table of 10 is just weird.

I was not saying to speed it up from the 2011 format of an hour and half but was saying that we should keep that format. Some people are pushing for deeper stacks and longer blind structures. My point was an hour and half daily was enough, many people do not have 3 hours or whatever to play in a daily tourney monday thru saturday and that is what will be required to be competive in some of these cumulative contests.

As far as the luck vs skill factor, theres obviously some form of skill in this event as the same core group of people continue to cash, lead # of cashes list, etc. Shorter limits/stacks does push the action but tight wad fold fest make for fairly boring poker anyway.

[zsr]

Poker is a game of skill. If SBR wants to be taken seriously by poker players (and they've stated they do), then they need to keep it that way by keeping a (somewhat) reasonable blind structure. If you want a game of luck, try the casino. Also, 600 points is worth $42, which is hardly "pennies."

Thaddeus

Lol. This was precisely my point, people like you who think there highly skilled, playing an hour and half every single night for a chance at 42 dollars?

If I was a skilled poker player, I sure as hell wouldn't be playing sbr. Neither would you. Don't kid yourself.

[70kgman]

Another recommendation would be to combine the bonus poker points that need to be rolled over rather than only being able to use bonus points from one tourney winnings at a time. I would rather save up a few tourney winnings and be able to play my preferred ring game table, then win 75 points and really have no other choice but to try to roll it over at the 0.25/0.50 kiddie table.

[SomeDayinBuffalo]

Cant wait to get started. Thanks SBR for the free buy-in

[oChRoNiCo]

Once again great job SBR looks good can't wait!

[eberetta1]

Poker is a game of skill. If SBR wants to be taken seriously by poker players (and they've stated they do), then they need to keep it that way by keeping a (somewhat) reasonable blind structure. If you want a game of luck, try the casino. Also, 600 points is worth $42, which is hardly "pennies."

Thaddeus

Hey Thaddeus, What do you purchase that makes 600 points worth $42? My math is around 600 points is about $45 of pizza or 1000 points is worth a $50 gift card.

[mih847]

me a likey this

[mikejamm]

I still like the 55 player format. I really don't think it would extend the length of the tourney that long by adding the 10 extra players, especially with the blind structure being what it is. You have the 8 and 10pm slots filling up in less than 8 minutes or so after they open up. This shuts a lot of players out. I feel like with new SBR memberships up and many of these new faces wanting to play, why not experiment with adding the additional spots?

[SBR_John]

I still like the 55 player format. I really don't think it would extend the length of the tourney that long by adding the 10 extra players, especially with the blind structure being what it is. You have the 8 and 10pm slots filling up in less than 8 minutes or so after they open up. This shuts a lot of players out. I feel like with new SBR memberships up and many of these new faces wanting to play, why not experiment with adding the additional spots?

We have added another daily tourney and lowered the max to 45. From everything we have tried I really think the 45 man format at least for these dailys is the way to go. Adding another tourney adds 9 more daily winners, increases the total prize pool and adds another tourney in prime time.

[SBR_John]

The daily tourneys have been set at 7 minute blinds with a starting stack of 1500 chips. We are modifying that for 2012 to 8 minute blinds and a starting stack of 1800 chips. It will likely add 10-15 minutes to the length of the tourney for the eventual winner. We will try it and look for feedback.

[BeerDog99]

The daily tourneys have been set at 7 minute blinds with a starting stack of 1500 chips. We are modifying that for 2012 to 8 minute blinds and a starting stack of 1800 chips. It will likely add 10-15 minutes to the length of the tourney for the eventual winner. We will try it and look for feedback.

Thanks John, I appreciate SBR's constant attempts at tweaking and improving the poker structures!

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

The daily tourneys have been set at 7 minute blinds with a starting stack of 1500 chips. We are modifying that for 2012 to 8 minute blinds and a starting stack of 1800 chips. It will likely add 10-15 minutes to the length of the tourney for the eventual winner. We will try it and look for feedback.

[zacharyj53]

Like the new times. Will be easier for me to play most days now.

[moses millsap]

Paying 9 out of 45 is already too much. It should be top 6 get paid.

[Al Masters]

Paying 9 out of 45 is already too much. It should be top 6 get paid.

True,it should be that way.

give a cash more value and harder to attain.

[ttwarrior1]

i need stake for tonights game or long term loan

[mikejamm]

I just look'in for a kind soul who's had some great luck lately, to donate 20 so I can get in tonight! Thank you in advance 'gents! Or 10 good folks to donate 2 works too.

[The HOFF]

How early does registration open for these tournaments?

Edit by SBR Lou:
4AM Tourney opens at 10PM.
8AM Tourney opens at 4AM.
12PM Tourney opens at 8AM.
4PM Tourney opens at 12PM.
8PM Tourney opens at 4PM.
10PM Tourney opens at 8PM.
12AM Tourney opens at 10PM.

[oiler]

seems everybody still has complaints but we need to realize that they dont have to do these tourneys and we have to find a way if we want to play them. i myself have a schedule conflict but will chage a few things so i can play..but nice job sbr

[aceking]

Paying 9 out of 45 is already too much. It should be top 6 get paid.

used to be top 3 only .

[beerman2619]

Great start for me in tourney. Place like 14th had pocket kings vs ace 7 suited. Split that pot 5 card flush on the board. Went all in again hit trips on flop with 5's. Guy had pocket 8's hit a 8 on the turn. Not a good way to start tourney with luck like that oh well i guess.

[banyoe1980]

that's great, for non pro i'll continue to work hard, 3 or 4 tourney in a week
i hope.

[blackbart]

We have added another daily tourney and lowered the max to 45. From everything we have tried I really think the 45 man format at least for these dailys is the way to go. Adding another tourney adds 9 more daily winners, increases the total prize pool and adds another tourney in prime time.

+

[blackbart]

The daily tourneys have been set at 7 minute blinds with a starting stack of 1500 chips. We are modifying that for 2012 to 8 minute blinds and a starting stack of 1800 chips. It will likely add 10-15 minutes to the length of the tourney for the eventual winner. We will try it and look for feedback.

++++

[SBR Lou]

Good luck today poker playing warriors!

[LUCKYCHUCK]

another great series of poker games. thank you sbr

[LVHerbie]

Poker is a game of skill. If SBR wants to be taken seriously by poker players (and they've stated they do), then they need to keep it that way by keeping a (somewhat) reasonable blind structure. If you want a game of luck, try the casino. Also, 600 points is worth $42, which is hardly "pennies."

Thaddeus

Ignoring that poker is both a game of luck and skill (and what the real purpose of these tournaments are) there would still be skill involved if they made these 300 chips deep with 3 minute rounds (ask the people who grind the online super turbos) it is just a different skill set then required for a deep structure... Plus, instead of looking at first prize, you should be looking at what increasing the length and chip depth does to your hourly rate (what is really important if you want to look at these kinds of stuff as some sort of low income part time job or whatever) rather then size of first place prize...

In other words my guess is by significantly overestimating how much "skill" is going to be increased, given the limits of the changes that could be made, while $42 certainly isn't pennies anything acceptable that could be changed is going to equate to pennies on you own personal stake of that amount and, most importantly, have a negative impact on your hourly expectation...

[daneblazer]

Ignoring that poker is both a game of luck and skill (and what the real purpose of these tournaments are) there would still be skill involved if they made these 300 chips deep with 3 minute rounds (ask the people who grind the online super turbos) it is just a different skill set then required for a deep structure... Plus, instead of looking at first prize, you should be looking at what increasing the length and chip depth does to your hourly rate (what is really important if you want to look at these kinds of stuff as some sort of low income part time job or whatever) rather then size of first place prize...

In other words my guess is by significantly overestimating how much "skill" is going to be increased, given the limits of the changes that could be made, while $42 certainly isn't pennies anything acceptable that could be changed is going to equate to pennies on you own personal stake of that amount and, most importantly, have a negative impact on your hourly expectation...

We talked about this last night. At some point, your time is worth more than the extra ROI extending the blinds would provide. You still have to know push/fold ranges and end game play (skill) to be successful no matter the blind structure. Extend the blind structure for your bigger tournaments like the championships, wsop, etc but keep the daily ones as turbo. Not many people really want to play 3 hours for 50 points.

It also looks like it will behoove someone to get their ass up at 8am to play that tourney.

[yisman]

How many entered the 4 AM today?

[me-first]

How many entered the 4 AM today?

I believe it was 28 or 29..

[yisman]

thanks

[LVHerbie]

We talked about this last night. At some point, your time is worth more than the extra ROI extending the blinds would provide. You still have to know push/fold ranges and end game play (skill) to be successful no matter the blind structure. Extend the blind structure for your bigger tournaments like the championships, wsop, etc but keep the daily ones as turbo. Not many people really want to play 3 hours for 50 points.

It also looks like it will behoove someone to get their ass up at 8am to play that tourney.

Don't forgot to add the additional time spent rolling over those 50 points as well... Unless you willing to play heads up at the higher tables (although I would guess my favorite method is favored by most of the "tournaments are too short" crowd... ) you still got some more time to invest...

[yisman]

Gotta be playing for badges. Otherwise it's not worth it.