General poker discussion thread

[dumbmoney]

It sucks for you that you got rivered that hand, but I had my reasons for my play. I was pretty convinced you were on a draw and I shoved to try and get you off of it. I raised pre-flop and you called. Flop came something like 10-9-3 with 2 diamonds (Don't remember exactly or have the hand history in front of me). You checked and I bet about 80% of the pot and you insta-called. Turn was a blank and you checked to me again. At this point I was pretty convinced you had a hand like a diamond draw or possibly jq, or maybe some sort of str8 and flush draw (ie jk of diamonds). I shoved all in (about 150% of the pot) to get you off of it. Even if you didn't have a draw, I was representing an overpair after playing tight all night, and it should have been a hard call for you to make even with a pair of tens let alone middle pair. Sucks you got rivered, but I don't think my play was that bad. And did you look at your play that hand. You called a preflop raise out of position with k9 off, check called after the flop with middle pair, and checked called an all in 150% of the pot bet with middle pair at the turn. That's not usually a recipe for success either.

[yisman]

Of course it is. I was playing against you, remember?

[ireland1946]

10.00 am Tourney today

I call with K and 9 of clubs , bet was 150
flop brings K and J 8 of clubs
I make a decent Bet of 400, all folds exept
Carseller, turn brings K, now I have trip KKK
and flush draw, Carseller checks, I go allin
he calls, river brings 7 of clubs, now I have
besides KKK a flush K high
he has A of clubs and a small club
He wins with flush A high
How can this Jackass call my Bet with nothing
praying and hoping for the river, pissed me right off

[dumbmoney]

Of course it is. I was playing against you, remember?

Keep thinking I'm some kind of maniac. I've got over 1250 tourney points and can't even play in all of them.

[yisman]

Keep thinking I'm some kind of maniac. I've got over 1250 tourney points and can't even play in all of them.

I've seen your play at the ring tables many times. That's all I need to know. Against most players, I would not call an all-in in that situation.

How many points you've generated from tournaments is immaterial. I also can't play in all of them. I missed two last week.

[dumbmoney]

Just trying to explain the rationale behind my play. I stand behind it, although it was a tough loss for you. I see a lot worse play on here, like people chasing the flush or str8 without being even close to getting odds to call. I'm not claiming to be the best player, but I think I'm decent, and I can back it up with performance at the ring games and tournaments, both of which I have been doing well in. See you at the tables.

[daneblazer]

That doesn't make much sense.

But calling off a huge percentage of your stack with ATs oop against an opponent who has shown a strength does?

What are you hoping to beat there? You're behind pocket pairs. If the flop is A 9 8 what are you doing? You're behind AK AQ AJ A8 A9. A ten high flop or the flop you had is about the best that you can hope for.

Not an absolute terrible call by him, I've definitely seen worse. He has your over card combinations beat.

I'm going off of limited information, but you're just putting yourself into an extremely difficult situation there by calling a 3 bet out of position in a big pot. Determine whether or not he's capable of seeing your raise as a steal attempt and is making a play at the pot as a bluff and shove, or lay it down and avoid the situation all together.

[yisman]

it was a brutal call. 27 with that board?

Given my reputation, the re-raise might've been even worse, considering he had the worst hand in poker.

He re-raised from 2400 to 3600. So think about this. What was he hoping for? I'm obviously not folding to that small a raise. So it's an auto-call at best for him, at worst I all in and he's a big underdog against whatever I have.

[daneblazer]

Yeah, I said I didn't have all the information. A little harder to lay it down pf to a min raise. I still don't believe his call on the flop was "brutal" considering he has your overcard combinations beat or at least flipping against AT. It wasn't good, but it wasn't brutal.

...and 27s isn't the worst hand in poker :-)

[yisman]

ok 27o is the worst if you want to nitpick

basically he was way behind the whole hand

27s vs a10s preflop

post-flop he had a pair of 7s, no diamonds on board, with a 2 kicker, and 2 higher cards already there

my outs were (for the turn or river):

any club
ace
10
Jack
6

the call of the all-in with 27 and the flop was pretty awful, but the preflop behavior was the worst. How can anyone justify min-raising a 3x raise when you have 27? Like I said, the other guy is obviously not folding, so anything that happens and you're in trouble.

[yisman]

finishes the last two weeks:

38, 26, 40, 41, 19, 32, 27, 31, 22, 27


today got bounced when my flush with the Queen of Spades lost to a flush with the King of Spades. Was short-stacked and lost 150 in blinds due to lost Internet at a very bad time.

[ireland1946]

Yisman just regroup and hang in there this is a long
stretch to qualify and at times (including myself) we
get hang up on a bad stretch, we all know that bad
beats happen and frustration sets in, you have the skill
now show the Patience and things will get back on track
GL

[Hurls]

these tourney are all bullshit becuase its only the SBR insider clicks that get the cards thats a fukin fact and the ones that are in there little group know it, bullshit, nothing to do with skill catch any card or they can see the cards end of the fuckin story

[thetrinity]

As for yismans recent hands i think the ace10 he played ok. The other player min reraises with 27 (maybe a misclick is all i can think of) and gets it in on the flop for a lil over potsize bet with the favorite n bricks n loses. The k9 ring game im not sure why hed call a raise against anyone oop with such a trouble hand. Anyways flop call was fine there turn id have to have a lot of history with dumbmonkey to call in that spot, dont like the pre call at all

[thetrinity]

these tourney are all bullshit becuase its only the SBR insider clicks that get the cards thats a fukin fact and the ones that are in there little group know it, bullshit, nothing to do with skill catch any card or they can see the cards end of the fuckin story

Somewhere the worlds smallest violin is playing my heart bleeds for you

[yisman]

every time I've called dumbmoney shoving, he's been bluffing me, so I must have a pretty good read.

[Hurls]

Somewhere the worlds smallest violin is playing my heart bleeds for you

you are so creative wow u are impressive

[thetrinity]

you are so creative wow u are impressive

youre the one who thinks points tournaments worth around 50 cents IRL are rigged for a certain high school like clique (not click) on here

[dogracin]

sbr world poker cup

Does anyone remember what the points payouts were for the top couple of spots during world poker cup qualifying?

[NYER5680]

yisman , no doubt when is all said and done you will be in the mix. Just keep grinding your skill will eventually win out.

[Kindred]

these things take way too long, hour and a half

[Hurls]

only been playing poker for six months or so, how come so many people go all in or real big when they have AK off suit? I dont like to go super big or all in unless I have pocket 10's or higher is that wrong but with high cards not pockets going all in preflop doesnt seem to make much sense to me? is this wrong? thx for any responses

[daneblazer]

only been playing poker for six months or so, how come so many people go all in or real big when they have AK off suit? I dont like to go super big or all in unless I have pocket 10's or higher is that wrong but with high cards not pockets going all in preflop doesnt seem to make much sense to me? is this wrong? thx for any responses

it depends on the situation. tournament, cash? chip stack? etc etc. ak does have the most value when all 5 cards are seen.

[Hurls]

yea i hate doing anything drastic preflop without high pockets

[thetrinity]

ak is a good hand to be aggressive with 1. because its very unlikely anyone has aa or kk when you have it (because you have 1 blocker to each) 2. its about 50/50 against any pair (except the unlikely aa or kk) 3. any nonpair is dominated by it. plays way better shoving then calling, and better if you get to see 5 cards instead of 3.

[thetrinity]

these things take way too long, hour and a half

they seem to have been dragging on a bit more the last week or so. i still think they r about the right length for what you put in.

[downsouth]

only been playing poker for six months or so, how come so many people go all in or real big when they have AK off suit? I dont like to go super big or all in unless I have pocket 10's or higher is that wrong but with high cards not pockets going all in preflop doesnt seem to make much sense to me? is this wrong? thx for any responses

In these tourneys I am not laying AK down to anybody (maybe 2 or 3 exceptions) but 99.9% of time my chips are going in the pot and usually all of them.

[yisman]

sbr john please turn off the doom switch

I've now settled into a solid routine of finishing in the 20s every day. Wasting so many points buying into these tournaments.


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[dogracin]

Keep tyring yisman, I had the doom switch the first two week

[RudyRuetigger]

finally played after about 2 weeks off. what a waste of time

i bet the overall winner would have made more working at mcdonalds than playing these all year

[yisman]

^^ thanks dogracin, I'm hoping, hoping. Since April 12th, I have one finish in the top 18.

finally played after about 2 weeks off. what a waste of time

i bet the overall winner would have made more working at mcdonalds than playing these all year

The overall winner of the tournament? I doubt it. Everyone else would, though. Let's say 8 hours a week towards these tournaments times a lot of weeks.

[thetrinity]

i dont mind playing these dailys because i usually play online for real money at the same time anyways, so its not wasting my time, just adding another table. ring games i usually only play 5 10 or if i have a rollover

[RudyRuetigger]

obviously for guys that are sitting at the computer anyway, it makes perfect sense to have this in the background..basically would just be free cash. i am in front of the computer most of fall and winter. i could do every day during world cup. i cant do that in the summer, thats why its a waste of time for me.

[yisman]

never seen this before

to begin the 7 PM tournament, here were my hands:


JJ
AA
JJ
AA
AK
AJ


it ended after that with K2 and J2 but 6 hands like that...

[yisman]

amazing part is I'm not going to end up cashing anyway because I was dealt A6, called, no one raises, stayed at the bb 30.

Flop comes A26. I wind up all-in. a4u had pocket 6s. Ace didn't come on flop or river.