building abank roll

[sinmiedo]

I would like some oppinions on how to build a healthy bank roll.
so far i had been playing some tournaments ( 12 ) and frerroll tournamnts, but the bulk has been cash tables.
i have not gone far and i would like the oppinion of semi pro and pros to see if i shuld concentrate more in tournamnets than ring games in order to speed up the process.
thx
alex

[Czu81]

Hard to build bankroll with tourneys (varience) I suggest u to play sit&goes or cash game.

[mrmarket]

You should choose whatever game you have the largest edge in. MTT Tournaments will have largest variance out of all the games. SNG's and Cash games are good choices for building because BR requirements are more lax but it does not preclude grinding MTT's.

I know it will be objected against for a variety of reasons but you should really just be depositing 500$-$1000 and playing 25NL/50NL. $0 to $ XXXX challenges are fun but are really a big waste of time if you can make money. If you're just starting out doing a challenge is ok but once you actually build it up don't withdraw and start the process over again.

If you're adamant about doing it anyway do a instant bankroll promotion for $50. This will at least save the many unproductive hours required while playing freerolls.

[daneblazer]

Do you use a hud? How many tables do you play at a time?

[sinmiedo]

MR Market:
I started with $ 50 gift cert.....right now i m seating at $440 and playing $.10 $.25 some times I try to move up to .25 .50 but i still have stress.
I play now and then SAG from 3 to 5 dollars buy in.
I made 1/2 the money from cash tables and 1/2 from torunaments so far, and it took about 10000 hands gith a
9.8 BB/100 over 2 moths of play, I do not know if is good or not.

[daneblazer]

MR Market:
I started with $ 50 gift cert.....right now i m seating at $440 and playing $.10 $.25 some times I try to move up to .25 .50 but i still have stress.
I play now and then SAG from 3 to 5 dollars buy in.
I made 1/2 the money from cash tables and 1/2 from torunaments so far, and it took about 10000 hands gith a
9.8 BB/100 over 2 moths of play, I do not know if is good or not.

With $440, you should probably stay at 25nl. Nothing wrong playing SNG's but I don't think there is enough of them on Bodog to build a strong bankroll and overcome the variance.

Your 9.8bb/100 win rate is excellent, but realistically it isn't sustainable. So if you are stressed out now, statistically you are going to have a downswing at some point in the future. I suggest if you want to build a bankroll on bodog, play cash and take 2-3 shots at a tournament every week, since you seem to enjoy them. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

[andrew5]

play sngs be care full of cash games don't lose it all in one sitting

[cappinthepigs]

The ring games are wearing me out trying to Bankroll building strategy as well, but I seem to be much better at Heads Up SNG's, you may want to look into those.

[Kaladarus]

You should focus on one type of game and really study it. If you choose ring games, you can play a tourney here and there, but ring games should be your focus. If you choose tourneys or sngs, avoid playing ring games often. Pick a game and study it. Read some books and get poker software to monitor your hands. If you're comfortable playing .10/.25 don't even think about moving up. Build your bankroll to at least $1000 if not more before considering. There's no rush to move up at all. Make sure you're a winner at your limit over a large number of hands and have the bankroll to support you moving up. Once you have the bankroll the comfort of playing higher up will come with it. Another thing to look at is how many tables you play at at time. It might be more profitable for you to play 2 tables of .10/.25 than it is to play one .25/50. Maybe multi-tabling is a solution to moving up limits. Don't overdue it by playing too many, but if you're comfortable doing it maybe trying increasing the number here and there. Also if you are new to poker websites you might want to considering moving your money around to become more profitable. There are several bonuses out there that can really help you build up. Transfer your money from site to site while completing their bonuses and reload bonuses. When there's no bonus you like or want to complete, try to play on a website that offers good rakeback or points that are useful for making more money. There are poker sites that have bonuses easy to complete at lower limits and even if you just break even you can come out with a decent profit. For a small stakes player like yourself picking the right poker sites and moving money around is the fastest and easiest way to build a bankroll.

[sinmiedo]

Dear Kaladarus:
You and many more have given me good advice, but in your case i would like to point out those sites since you are in my exact path of thinking, refering to bonus and bank roll of about a 1000 before moving up.
thxs

[sinmiedo]

by the way , I rearly play more than a table at the time, 90% of the time i play only 1 table

[Kaladarus]

by the way , I rearly play more than a table at the time, 90% of the time i play only 1 table

1 table is fine for now. All I'm saying is that once you get really comfortable where you are it might be more profitable to play 2 tables at the lower limit than 1 table at the higher limit. There's never a need to play more than you're comfortable playing.

[Kaladarus]

Dear Kaladarus:
You and many more have given me good advice, but in your case i would like to point out those sites since you are in my exact path of thinking, refering to bonus and bank roll of about a 1000 before moving up.
thxs

First you need to find a way to transfer money from site to site easily. Once you figure that out there are many different sites out there to show you the bonuses. http://www.pokerbonuses.com/ is a good website. Check it out and enter some information about what type of limits you play. It will show you a list of poker rooms they recommend. Check out the requirements for the bonus and cash out and find something you are comfortable completing at the limits you play. Once you finish the bonus simply withdraw your cash and put it on another poker site for a new bonus. Also you might want to avoid some of the poker sites that offer rakeback since the rakeback might be the best thing you can get later once you have established a decent bankroll.

[mrmarket]

MR Market:
I started with $ 50 gift cert.....right now i m seating at $440 and playing $.10 $.25 some times I try to move up to .25 .50 but i still have stress.
I play now and then SAG from 3 to 5 dollars buy in.
I made 1/2 the money from cash tables and 1/2 from torunaments so far, and it took about 10000 hands gith a
9.8 BB/100 over 2 moths of play, I do not know if is good or not.

Concentrate on one game type for now while you're learning ideally. If you can't concentrate than two is fine but it will stunt your growth (both as a player and for your bankroll).

10,000 hand sample is not even close to enough to know if you're actually a winner or not so ignore it for now. If you're using a tracking program post some of your PT/HEM stats on the relevant 2+2 subforum so they can go through them. You can plug leaks this way.

You have to disassociate the chips in play from their monetary value. You cannot play poker if you're thinking about the money in play because it will effect your decisions. My suggestion may seem contrary to bankroll growth but you should move down to 10NL. Start by adding another table to your play. In my experience 4-6 tables is a good range you can play while maximizing your winrate while thinking about decisions fully and learning.

You can add more tables but I've found that it requires that you sometimes go into autopilot mode and rely on stats more. There are occasions where this is acceptable and for certain people it is a strategy that is very profitable. My personal experience is that if I go into the 8-20 table range my winrate plummets to a point where I'm barely beating the rake. It is not the type of poker I enjoy playing. It may suit you so I shall leave it to your judgment.

Good Luck

[Kaladarus]

I'm unsure of which poker sites you should start at since it has been a long time since I did this process, but I'm sure there's helpful forums on that website or other sites that can guide you and help you choose some good rooms to start at.

[ChileCheese]

try building it up by mixing in HU and sit n go is tournaments are your thing

[sinmiedo]

i will look more nto low cost torunaments and seat and goes for this month.

[ochenta y cinco]

If you're going to prefer cash games to SNGs and MTTs, my advice for you would be quite simple:


#1. Start out in full ring tables (9-10 players) rather than shorthanded. You can concentrate on folding more hands and try to build your BR by tightening your playing range. Since you can see more hands per orbit, it's easier on a beginning player's BR.

#2. Table selection is so important. Try avoiding tables with low % of players/flop, those usually contain many grinders just playing a relatively solid game, folding alot and not conceding anything. Don't be stubborn and leave the table if you don't see at least 2 players who appear to offer a decent chance at profit by their bad play.


Good luck at the tables!

[Ian]

If I were you I'd stick with NLHE cash games because it's variance is lower and you seem to be successful with it. If you can whore some bonuses that will really help you too.

[k13]

You should choose whatever game you have the largest edge in. MTT Tournaments will have largest variance out of all the games. SNG's and Cash games are good choices for building because BR requirements are more lax but it does not preclude grinding MTT's.

I know it will be objected against for a variety of reasons but you should really just be depositing 500$-$1000 and playing 25NL/50NL. $0 to $ XXXX challenges are fun but are really a big waste of time if you can make money. If you're just starting out doing a challenge is ok but once you actually build it up don't withdraw and start the process over again.

If you're adamant about doing it anyway do a instant bankroll promotion for $50. This will at least save the many unproductive hours required while playing freerolls.

Exactly, most people who deposit $50, lose it, deposit again, lose it, etc.

If you have $500 and play $5 SNG's, tough to go broke and you'll have enough time to get better.

[sinmiedo]

Over the last 2 weeks, the cash tables have not been kind to me, loosing almost 40% of my bR.
I decided to play only SAG as Mr Market and other suggested.
This month is the only game that i will play and see the results, so far I had played 15 and cashing out in 9 of them placing 1st in 3 and 2nd in another 3. Forunatly I m cash flow possitive and my goal is to play at least 5 per day if i have suffient time between my job ( very demanding ) and my other obligations.
Following the advice from K 13 and Mr market and many others, I will only play this tyoe of games for a month and post the results so maybe someone else may use a simillar aproach to build a healthy BR>

[$Burm$]

go to fulltiltpokeracademy.com, go under lessons and find Chris Fergusons bankroll management.. The important tid bits he gives is only play in cash games for 5% of ur bankroll and once in that cashgame if u get to 10% of ur bankroll cash out...also only play sitngos and tourneys that are freerolls or up to 2% of ur bankroll

[sinmiedo]

I m happy to say that after the experience of playing SAG during the moneth of Spet has eneded very possitive.
First because i qulified for the frerolls witch i cash out nicecly in 3 of 4 that i participated ( king of the felt challaenge), and also because my bank roll has been incremented from 45 to 488 as a today, including tremendus swings in the way.
I m planning on plying mostly tournamnets this month of october, and moving up a bit to the tables of .25 .50 where i do excepcionally good for some reaso.
I found that i need that stress to play better.

[BeerDog99]

Congrats and good luck bud!

[BC44]

If you want to profit stick to SNGs and Cashgames

[LVHerbie]

If you are serious about building a bankroll with less then a thousand I would look for other opportunities then grinding low stakes poker... You can find tons of opportunities with almost no risk that would provide alot better hourly return...

[Nookx]

If you are serious about building a bankroll with less then a thousand I would look for other opportunities then grinding low stakes poker... You can find tons of opportunities with almost no risk that would provide alot better hourly return...

like what?

[sinmiedo]

If you are serious about building a bankroll with less then a thousand I would look for other opportunities then grinding low stakes poker... You can find tons of opportunities with almost no risk that would provide alot better hourly return...

cAN YOU PLEASE WXPAND IN YOUR OPPINION.
I DID CASH OUT SOME OF THE MONEY JUST TO REDEPOSIT SO I CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE BONUS AND THE 100000 QUALIFING OPPORTUNITY FOR NEW ACCOUNTS ON BODOG

[LVHerbie]

cAN YOU PLEASE WXPAND IN YOUR OPPINION.
I DID CASH OUT SOME OF THE MONEY JUST TO REDEPOSIT SO I CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE BONUS AND THE 100000 QUALIFING OPPORTUNITY FOR NEW ACCOUNTS ON BODOG

Bodog is a good example... You could deposit there and grind away on the bonus using strictly the bonus money they gave you (which is why I would hold off on this one until you can max out the bonus)... A number of sites will give you no deposit bonuses as well... I could give more information but alot of it is outdated and, honestly, you probably would better off doing you own research...

About four years ago my ex-wife (this was when we were dating and didn't live together so it wasn't multi-accounting or whatever) had about a month between when she quit her job and started grad school... She made three dimes starting with a Party Poker no deposit signup offer and some coaching... The game has changed alot since then but there is alot of free money be had so I wouldn't waste my time with poker till you could play bigger then the lowest cash games and sngs when you can find numerous opportunities without the variance... Obviously not as glamorous as playing poker but if you serious about building a bankroll this should be what you are focusing on till you have a decent working bankroll...

[LVHerbie]

Also read Fishhead's posts... He gives away alot more then I'm willing to...

[LVHerbie]

...If you already signed up for a bodog account you made another mistake because you should have tried to get rakeback there... I would guess not be eligible for rakeback there has cost me several thousand over the years I played there...

[daneblazer]

As far as I'm aware, Bodog doesn't give rakeback anymore.

[LVHerbie]

As far as I'm aware, Bodog doesn't give rakeback anymore.

Example of why you need to do your own research...

[sinmiedo]

at this time i m playing at a merge site where i get a 35% rake back, and is very lucrative even if i brake even for the sesion.
i m only plaing micro stakes .05.10 and .10 25 since my br there is 120 only.
i JUST CASH OUT MY BODOG ACCOUNT DUE TO DOLLAR EXCHANGE( i m from canada)

[rki999]

Sounds a great plan.why do you want cash out?