How far has poker fallen?
Event going on in Vegas and not a word other than underground poker sites,
Event going on in Vegas and not a word other than underground poker sites,
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Not nearly as popular as it used to be that's for sureComment -
recession has caused a lot of this, less people with money to burn, but when the main even starts, theyll be talking about it a lot moreComment -
Basically haven't watched it since that MoneyMaker guy.Comment -
watching it gets old. How many times do you see ESPN pump up some of these guys and they never win. It's a hype machine and all creative editing. There's this Asian kid they always pump up. I can't remember his name, he sports earrings and a straight billed baseball cap tilted to the side. I never see him win, but the announcers get him some much praise for his raises and calls. It's official, it has jumped the shark.Comment -
Second most entrants ever!
It is more popular in Europe right now than ever beforeComment -
Also, they are a lot more events and series throughout the year than there were about 3 years agoComment -
just wait until the main event begins, poker coverage will go up 100 fold, no one cares about the small 1500 & 2000 entry events, they care about the 10000 entry event, the main eventComment -
They have never done good live coverage at WSOP, the only time the non-poker diehards even care about the main event is when they see it on ESPN a month after it actually happens.Comment -
I always said treat her like a local American Legion....Liquor in the front and poker in the rear
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poker exploded when MoneyMaker won but it has died down since. Online poker is a trap in my eyes and you will never come ahead unless you are a true statistical and numbers magician. WSOP has had more and more entries every year. You have a better chance at winning the lottery imo.Comment -
ummm, you guys are way off here
attendance shattered all previous records this yearComment -
Poker is not big on these boards but it is talked about elsewhere quite a bit.Comment -
Poker took a huge hit cause of UIEGA....Comment -
no no no, more people are playing then ever before, but its true not many care about the world series because of so many entrants and so many events, plus it will rerun over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.Comment -
Just another of JJs "gotta make my quota" BS posts...
JJ, if you want to know how much poker is or isn't being talked about, I suggest you spend little time over at 2+2 and do some research before running off at the mouth (again). But I know that's not nearly as much fun as throwing shit up on a wall and seeing what sticks...
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I feel it will just decline more from here really. Only so many hands and bad beats that can happen worth broadcasting.
Most people couldn't even name the last two or three WSOP champions. They get their 15 minutes of fame, get a sponsorship gig with PokerStars, Full Tilt, or Bodog, and it just fizzles away from there.
The only recent champs I think back to are Greg Raymer (since I met him in person once), Chris Moneymaker (started all the popularity really), and Robert Varkonyi (proved a smart MIT guy can actually win it). Antics from some of the other characters like Mike "The Mouth" and Phil Hellmuth are good for a laugh. Chris Ferguson seems like a good guy - would be interesting sitting down at a table with him sometime.
Delaying the final table until November was the worst idea ever also.
They'd also be better off raising the buy in and have more official satellites around the globe for guys to win their way in. Hard for guys to commit to the long stretch of days in Vegas.
We'll see how it goes from here, but I think we'll just see less and less happening with this. UFC/MMA is more popular than poker at this point.Comment -
Delaying the final table until november was the stupidest thing they could do.
BTW JJ Joe Cada, Peter Eastgate and Jerry Yang..... last 3 winners.Comment -
I-never-play-poker-for-realsblog '09-'10: 37-16: +$31,900
mlb 2010; 16-12: +$4,540
gellyhoops 2010: 10-6 +$3,150
overall: 63-34 +$40,290Comment -
Heh, you are making JJ's point. The WSOP Main Event has been going on for almost a week now.
WSOP is still huge, my friend is in Vegas and there has been a shit ton of people there for the past 2 months not only at the WSOP but at the Venetian Deepstack tournaments.
I'm an active member of the 2+2 Forum and it is quite active.Comment -
Crap shoot of a game...way too much luck envolved...this year winner will more than likely not be a "pro"Comment -
i don't know where it has dropped off. seems like people i know still play or talk about playing around here. i could care less. never been a fan, ain't got the patience.Comment -
Its very popular to those who pay attention. Real poker players dont give a shit about whether its popular in the media.Comment -
Plus tournaments arnt where its at cash games is where you consistently grind out your profits. I consider myself a very good Cash game player but i am a horrible tournament player. Have only about 5 cashes in probably 50+ tournaments.Comment -
People have been saying poker "jumped the shark" since about a month after the WPT started airing in 2003. It may seem to some that "nobody talks about the WSOP," but there are far more media outlets covering the event than there were in the prime boom year of '04. If you're waiting for the fad to die out dig yourself in because it's going to be a long wait. Poker hasn't died out since the boom ended, instead it hit a point of cultural critical mass that has allowed its numbers to stay steady despite a terrible economy.
Don't agree? WSOP entrances are up this year over last. Far more people are playing online poker now than were 4 years ago. While poker revenue is down in Vegas, poker has declined less than any other from of gambling in Sin City. It may have seemed like there was a time when poker was more popular, but I think that people were fooled into thinking poker was more popular than it actually was a few years ago due to oversaturation of the market (tv shows like Cash Poker and the PPT that nobody watched, and crap nobody was buying like cheap poker chip sets in every store you went into). The poker market has become more efficient in providing what the public wants, but the numbers show that the game is as healthy as it can be in the midst of a depression.Comment -
MANY better tournamentsComment -
Very true, JJ. It's not like other tournament sports like golf or tennis where you can follow a lot of the same individuals through a few majors during the year, etc. With poker, there are all these random tournaments with each sounding bigger than the next, and new winners all the time. The WSOP gets marketed as its hugest event and anyone can just buy their way into it for their chance at Powerball luck being needed to win.
Lots of good players out there who never win a big tournament. The glamor from television and movies makes it all look bigger than the grind of any gambling really is.Comment -
The WSOP commentary is horrible, imo. Not as bad as the WPT (OMG HE NEEDS A JACK!!!! OMG IT'S A QUEEN AND HE'S GOING HOME OH NOEEEES!) If they had slightly more intelligent commentary like HSP instead of bad commentary, I think they'd do better in the ratings as the people who knew jack about poker in 2002 are more educated now.
But anyway, there are thousands of active users (and god knows how many lurkers) keeping subforums on every facet of poker buzzing at 2p2 and pocket fives. 161k players are logged in on stars right now. Poker fandom may be on the decline, and poker may be getting tougher, but it's not going anywhere any time soon. As for me, I almost never watch poker anymore, but play much more than I did a few years ago.
You're right about the luck factor in large field tournaments. At this point, field sizes have gotten out of control. I'd like to see a 100k "Super Bowl of Poker" to see the real elites go at it tourney style. Of course, there's always HSP if you want to see the big names slug it out without the pressure of rising blinds.Walter forgot... when you're desperate's when you got no choice.Comment -
untilend you are the anti-milwaukee mike
i am much better in tournaments than cash games the last 5-10 years or so
before that i could pretty much dominate games in milwaukee/chicago, now there are way too many smarter young players that actually change their game up and know what they're doing/oddsComment -
No One Even Talks About WS Of Poker Anymore
JJ, I think it's because so many are simply caught up in this latest Brock Landers drama. Perhaps I'm wrong.Comment -
One thing is clear. JJ and Reload know fuk all about poker. We had the highest turnout ever in the WSOP this year and the main event is just as big as last year - even in this shitty economy.Comment -
SBR poker threads make my side hurt
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